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Ecofascism, Tech Critical Blackshirt 04/29/2020 (Wed) 00:43:52 ID: 5c5f5b No.13
I think it would be best this time around to merge deep ecology and anti-tech into a single thread since there is so much overlap. Old thread archives: https://web.archive.org/web/20190804033752/https://8ch.net/fascist/res/13412.html https://archive.fo/XQMX7 CORE READING >Technological Slavery by Theodore J. Kaczynski (2019 edition) >The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul >Industrial Society and Its Future by Theodore J. Kaczynski >Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How? by Theodore J. Kaczynski >Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola >Man and Technics by Oswald Spengler >The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph A. Tainter A good channel with a lot of videos on Ted Kaczynski, Linkola and Ellul: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJIIMmCfJxBv5-jGTK3iIMw
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Should the first reply be this belligerent? No But while I do not believe in the complete abolition of Technology I am interested in knowing diverting ideas. Both out of healthy curiosity and knowing that I may need to deal with Autismo Primitivists in the future, so information is always welcome. My question is: >BRRRRRTTTTTTT What do? Here is a response I got alongside my answer, to that I would like to add; while the collapse of the technological and interconnected society may hinder our enemies' efforts too by not giving them access to the chain of supply I posted, I believe it is a healthy assumption that: >They have access to a stockpile of materials in order to deal with complete isolation >They also have manny different —and more durable— chains of supply and the means of quickly rebuilding them So either way we may be fighting agains a technological foe, so countermeasures are a must.
>>34 We're on this ride until the end, I think. What you point out with BRRRRRTTTTTTT is one reason why this is so. Unless you could somehow selectively retain different types of technology and methods while rejecting others, the more technologically advanced and organized power will always subdue the weaker. Might makes right - and I say this in a descriptive sense. Man is the highest animal, and he has stepped outside of the bounds of Nature, and with every fresh creation he drifts further and further away from it, becoming more and more its enemy. This is the tragedy. Nature is stronger than man, we're still dependent on it and in spite of all of our technical progress Nature embraces all within it. Spengler recognized this too, he said that the fight against Nature is hopeless and it will still be fought to the bitter end, and that man has a soul ever hungry, a will never satisfied. We're tied into a Faustian bargain, and if we or any other group backs down to save itself for posterity the others will tear it apart and destroy it. Unless some Linkola-tier future comes about where eco-totalitarians put the boot down and magically fix our problems, this developmental trend will play itself out. Even still I remain tech-critical, although I embedded within it. I do seek to live a lower tech and simple life, and I do think that our current conditions are damaging psychologically and in other ways, but I am less optimistic than Ted in thinking that there will ever be any sort of "revolution" against this. The masses have already hitched their cart on technique and its ability to bring about a sort of "Earthly Paradise" of universal tedium. Marxists were decisive in this shift in attitude, as was the growing material prosperity.
Those autistic ramblings, while identifying many of the flaws of the modern society, fail to offer a viable alternative. Getting rid of tech would only set the clock back, it won't stop it from emerging again. And again. Our civilization(s) was too weak to properly handle and steer emergent phenomena and technology, becoming entirely consumed by it in the process. The reason for this was Jewish infiltration, whose primitive brains sought power brought by technology while failing to truly understand any of it, making it entirely subject the their animal, or rather, insect tier consciousness. Everything bad that you assign to technology, is a sole result of it's bad application, and a lack of proper social, philosophical and spiritual framework that would steer it in the right direction. TL;DR Jews are the great filter , stop blaming the technology.
>Getting rid of tech would only set the clock back, it won't stop it from emerging again. And again. Disagreed. I reject this sort of Abrahamic, teleological view of history which adheres to false ideas of "progress" and views this current world as contained in embryo within all preceding societies. >Our civilization(s) was too weak to properly handle and steer emergent phenomena and technology, becoming entirely consumed by it in the process. >Everything bad that you assign to technology, is a sole result of it's bad application, and a lack of proper social, philosophical and spiritual framework that would steer it in the right direction. This type of thinking has been addressed by thinkers time and time again. Kaczynski devotes an entire chapter of ''Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How" to his idea that the development of human society can never be rationally controlled. He does not deny that in specific contexts with abundant empirical evidence that it might be possible to achieve fairly accurate short-term prediction and control of a society's behavior but outside of these contexts he lays out a fairly sound case foor why successful prediction and successful management of a society's development is extremely difficult if not impossible, and how failure to control it or predict it is far more often the norm than the opposite case, providing numerous examples from throughout history. The reasons for this are many, but among them are the fact that human society is extremely complex. For example he gives the example that the modern economy can never be rationally planned out to maximize efficiency, since calculation of a rational system of prices for the US economy would require the manipulation of 6x10^13 (sixty trillion) simultaneous equations. He also cites things such as chaotic behavior in both simple and complex systems, stuff such as the butterfly theory and how even figures who seemed to have unlimited power within a society are actually quite powerless even to implement even modest, small-scale changes. He cites the biographies of numerous presidents from a variety of countries making such statements. Theoretically just or needed policies of course also run into the problem of the commons. It's beneficial for the whole now to alter its behavior for the good of everyone and future generations, but it's of course also beneficial for each individual to keep up their behavior. No one will created the world we have today, and even the Jews are less powerful than we often think. History results from the interweaving of countless individual interests and intentions, whether tending in the same direction or in divergent directions, with the end result being something that was neither intended or planned by none of these individuals, yet has emerged from their intentions and actions. >The reason for this was Jewish infiltration, whose primitive brains sought power brought by technology while failing to truly understand any of it, making it entirely subject the their animal, or rather, insect tier consciousness. Implying 99.9% of white people understand technology. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic and might as well be. >TL;DR Jews are the great filter , stop blaming the technology. Jews exacerbate existing problems and are strengthened by the power technology gives them over modern societies.
>>109 >magically fix our problems That's the problem with most ideologues, there is a huge gap in the methodology that bridges theory and practice, this gap is usually filled with either magic or some specific vague event that will make their ideas possible within a lifetime and gives them the excuse to sit-down and do nothing. Waiting for things to come to you is classic slave-behavior, no wonder the left if plagued with this phenomena. My ideal is —somewhat ironically— to merge with nature and technology. I do not mean disgusting transhumanism, or the memetastic Transhuman-primitivism, but to: >Understand that technology is based in the same laws that reign nature, rejection of the gap between technology and ourselves >In order to further the demystify technology we will embrace concepts such as Open-source software and the right to repair hardware. Ideally you should fix your own devices and so you should only own what you can service, or at least understand. But the most realistic approach is to make service more easily available since people will need technology to work, and I rather have my farmers farming and not giving their tractors mayor repairs >Hardy, durable technology should be the norm; complete rejection of disposable items unless it is absolutely necessary >To respect the life of others by reducing the technological requirements in society, absolutely nothing in your day-to day life should obligate you to acquire a cellphone or similar, personal technology should be a choice >Abolish the idea of ur activities not being part of the natural world, the idea of a « Natural world » at all as it implies there being anything in the universe that is not part of nature It is a huge change in paradigm, not only in how we use technology, but how we see it, quite frankly a few aspects would be very difficult to achieve, specially the last one, but the main idea seems very feasible to me. A concrete philosophy would be the first step
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>>191 Maybe I denigrated Linkola (RIP) a bit too much in that post. His solutions would work but his solutions are so extreme that it would be hard to find enough people untainted by natural humanistic inclinations to care out what man needs instead of what man desires. Linkola rightly points out the absurdity of political systems built on human desire like democracy. Often what one needs is not what one desires, especially collectively, and especially when faced with many of the issues that we are faced with. Would it work? Yes. Will it happen? Probably not in the way that he prescribes it or to the scale. Still he is an important figure, no doubt about it. Compared to many people today who simultaneously want their cake and eat it too when it comes to environmental issues, he is remarkably prescient, and that is why kikes hate him so much. >Understand that technology is based in the same laws that reign nature, rejection of the gap between technology and ourselves Spengler wrote something interesting in his book Man and Technics where he described technics as the tactics of all life utilized in the struggle which is identical with life itself. According to this life even animals use technics, but theirs is a type which is instinctual and set in stone, not inventive or capable of development. Meanwhile with humans technics is independent of the life of the species and is conscious, creative and personal, learned and improved. Man creates his own tactics for living. He says that this is both our grandeur and doom. It was interesting because he can then say that this is ancient and not unique to humans, which is kind of like you say an abolition of this gap. >Hardy, durable technology should be the norm; complete rejection of disposable items unless it is absolutely necessary Agreed >Abolish the idea of ur activities not being part of the natural world, the idea of a « Natural world » at all as it implies there being anything in the universe that is not part of nature Definitely agreed. The other ideas, especially the one about certain types of technology is a nice idea, but I don't know how that would work in practice. None of the stuff obligatory today was ever really consciously made obligatory, it merely became so due to the ease they presented users (for better or worse), and thus became expected parts of modern life. It really is a hassle to people today if you do not have these devices which everyone is expected to have, and I feel that these people would always be picked over in hiring and certain other things due to the mere easy of contacting and dealing with these people in contrast to others. Ellul made a good point that today man either adapts completely, or he becomes more and more unadapted, neurotic and inefficient, whatever his talents, before being thrown on a social rubbish heap.
>>193 Do not expect society at-large to sign-up for this, but if you are mostly interested in developing a relationship with nature and technology as a way to increase your quality of live, and not to save the planet then this will not be much of a problem. But since we are affected by society then we should seek to improve it, and luckily our problems with technology are also our problems with money, government an other systems. so it is to expect that if you tackle the root-cause of one it will spread into manny areas, so social change is not as hopeless of an ambition. Although I much prefer the cabal idea I thew back at Hoppe. >I wrote « ur » I swear this was a mistake, how can I be guilty of the very same thing I have reprimanded so much, I bet the jews are behind this, there is no other explanation
Are there any resources for partisan communication networks? We're getting de-platformed, censored and spied on so pervasively that we should be ready to start hardening communications.
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There's scuttlebutt on mobile now too https://www.manyver.se/
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>Civilization and Transcendence https://b-ok.cc/book/5280523/11ea38
>>13 I am convinced the best way on is to go Green Feudalist. Feudalism was very good and lasted for a thousand years. By Green Tech, I mean sustainable energy like Wind Turbines and Solar, which is in line with use of the Waterwheel and windmill in antiquity. See Feudal Society by Bloch and Cathedral, Forge, And Waterwheel by Gies for why Feudalism wasn't remotely how it's portrayed by capitalists and hollywood.
>>1398 I'll concede that the average feudal peasant, even from the little that I know, lived a better life than the average wage-cuck today given the fact that he worked far less and was rooted in a community. Capitalists have an obvious ax to grind against feudalism for various reasons, but personally I'm not too concerned with having a specific name for the system of the future that I see as necessary. I think it would be silly to explicitly have it as a goal to "restore feudalism", especially when the world we live in now is entirely different from that of the Middle Ages. Coming from a global capitalist context, it's hard to say what the future will look like. We know though that to save the planet for the long term, it will require massive changes in lifestyle that probably will result in many, many people returning to subsistence agriculture and the coming to power of a government (or governments) that explicitly strive to bring about not just a depression, or another Great Depression, but the Greatest Depression
>>1407 Government is already failing worldwide. Balkanization is already in primitive steps. See how the States defy the Fed regularly now in the US.
>>1426 Yes, you're right. It's for the best too, the break-up of political centralization, at least for the world as it is, is very harmful for the Jews, who have been progressively centralizing government under the control of smaller and smaller numbers of states for over two hundred years now. Of course, part of it is due to capitalism, but that does not mean that we cannot see a hidden hand at work side-by-side.
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>Totoaba, Endemic species of the Cortés Sea (Gulf of California if you want to be PC) >Get fished by indigenous peoples for centuries >Really good meat >Suddenly the Chinese come because they believe their bladders make their dicks bigger >Overfished to the point of endangerment >About to go extinct >Ban on their fishing >Organized and unorganized crimes take hold of the fishing operations to sell to the Chinese >At the same time the federal government is trying to stop them >Each president cuts the environmental protection budget so good luck with that >Gulf Cartel realize that selling fish to insecure Chinese makes them more money than drugs >Kidnap an acquaintance of a teacher of a friend >Have him do studies and design a sustainable conservation program >Cartel bankrolls said program >The Totoaba's conservation status is about to be updated to Vulnerable >mfw M É X I C O . M Á G I C O A G I C . M E X I C O
What measures do you think that a National Socialist government should implement if it comes to power? I'm going to keep my suggestions practical - I could go full Linkola mode but I'm mainly thinking of small and easily doable fixes: >ban kosher and halal slaughter >ban vivisection and animal testing >end factory-farming in its present form and focus on giving animals a better quality of life while alive >mass reforestation of trees >outlaw planned obsolescence and mandate that tools and products have to be more durable >full-on eugenics program (positive and negative) >>1643 Based ecofascist cartels
>>1646 They did it because they wanted a healthy population to sell to the chinese, so I would say AnCap. The real « Based » part about it is that they tough about a sustainable model instead of doing what most capitalists do—nothing—. >Ban Kosher and Halal Slaughter Just ban Jews, is not like you can just take any piece of non-porc mead and ay a rabbi to make it Kosher (Wololo at the food), so te label is meaningless. And a lot of modern hygienic practices come from Kosher handling of food, which is about the only jewish-created thing I would not get rid of. >mass reforestation of trees I would add to this the abolition of the idea that Nature, Man and Technology are separate. No more nature put behind walls to protect it from us, we should make all nature and us live in it Just imagine all the beautiful, young skin your population will get because of all the shade
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>>1652 I don't know, I think it should be banned as part of a larger effort to put pressure on Jews, as well as an animal welfare measure. I see no reason why we should slit an animal's throat, hoist it up by its hind legs and let it thrash around until it dies while spurting blood. This is the Jewish way. Another good way to fight kikes will be to ban their genital mutilation obsession, but that's for another thread. >I would add to this the abolition of the idea that Nature, Man and Technology are separate This is essential, at least when we're talking about the man and Nature. The idea that we have 'conquered Nature' is arrogant at minimum. If anything, we have alienated ourselves from Nature and ignored its laws, all to our detriment. With technology, I can't fully agree. To an extent it is natural to humans. We are unique in the sense that, unlike bees or beavers who work according to instinctive techniques that are incapable of development or innovation, human techniques are capable of development and creativity separate from mere instinct. I think that an over abundance of technology can though separate man from the world around him and have certain negative effects on man. I say this because I believe that we have a certain human nature and are adapted to certain modes of living that our modern society, through its perverse and decadence organization, has alienated man from. From the 19th century onwards there has in particular been an acceleration of this process of mechanization, regimentation, and organization unlike anything ever seen before, leading towards a bugman world
>>1655 >as part of a larger effort to put pressure on Jews That I agree, but that would not be for moral reasons, I would just use morality to fuck them over >slit an animal's throat That's the fastest and easiest way of disposing of an animal with minimum equipment. I visited a slaughterhouse in Mexicali, it is fully industrialized but you could say it was more human that way since they first stunned them, then hanged and slit their throats. But mass slaughter of cows should stop, so this set-up is not an option I am considering. I suppose there are stunning devices which would be accesible for small communities. >Technology How I see technology is as working under the same laws that reign nature, technology is like digging a ditch to change the course of a river, we are not inventing anything, nor there is anything unnatural about the river nor the ditch, we are just arranging natural elements so they behave in a certain way. I feel that by making technology mundane it's charm and wonder would be lost, replaced by a practical approach and wonder which extends to human achievement and the laws of nature, not a non-existent third-party.
>>1657 >How I see technology is as working under the same laws that reign nature No, I agree With this in mind though, I do believe that there are certain environments more conducive to healthy and happy humans, as I'm sure you'd agree. This is the first time in history that man has been so affected in so many untraditional ways. I won't go full autism mode yet and churn out some comprehensive essay on my beliefs here, but to give a few examples of the profoundly unnatural lifestyles of today, we see men living lives where they spend their days at desks instead of working with their muscles, they no longer breath the good air of nature, but dirty air infused with gas fumes, foul smells and smog. Urbanites in particular, but to a lesser degree even those outside of the city, no longer live in living environments, but instead of some lunar world of stone, cement, asphalt, glass, cast iron and steel. It's a dead world inhabited by rats, men and insects. The man of today lives in a Skinner Box and is enslaved to over-organization according to clocks and a multiplication of other means, making him into a passive being who only responds and never acts. In fact the vast majority of things today that are just according to the Jews and other corrupt oligarchs running the society as their personal cash cow are directly hostile to the Laws of Nature, and we ignore them to our own detriment, leading to a world of decadence, neurosis, mental illness and nihilism. Now is all this necessarily a result of technology? I'd like to think no, and it is only a fact that our conventions have gotten so out of harmony with Nature, and that with a comprehensive and revolutionary reorganization of society according to different priorities outside of the daily grind for shekels and consooming that we could bring about a mode of living that is far more beneficial and fulfilling to the average man.
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I just purchased this since I was able to order it cheaply. It's supposed to be a "critique" of deep ecology which points out all sorts of links with National Socialism and German Romanticism, and how all of this questions the ideals of the Enlightenment. Of course it's written from a negative perspective but this sounds like it's only going to make me like deep ecology more.
>>1749 You should get Ecology Of Freedom by Bookchin
>>1753 I probably will get around to reading this eventually. It probably won't hurt me to read the ones I'm less likely to agree with
>>1749 >>1753 >>1754 Indeed, if you don't know both sides of an argument you know little of yours.
>>1749 >Animal trials. See: Can Animals Commit Crimes? Historia Civilis https://invidio.us/watch?v=ALWLELLlv6E The sources in the description are pretty interesting, as well. We need embed's.
>>2209 Interesting video, the sources too. I might have to check out that first book too, 'The Criminal Prosecution and Capital Punishment of Animals'
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>When you go to his house and he does not have a compost bin I seriously hope this never happens to you
>>2285 Does a compost heap count?
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>>2285 >tfw no compost bin or heap But once I get a more rural place of my own I'm gonna go crazy with gardening. Corona has shown that we are too dependent on corporations for sustenance and basic upkeep for our own lives.
>>2319 Sure >>2321 I use a plastic tub, but plan on upgrading to a proper trash-bin to increase mass and make turning easer, I have being running out of space since I started comporting whatever trimmings I cannot turn into vegetable stock (and even with that I should be composting what I use too). Is not ready yet, but I am starting to worry that I will not be able to use it as fast as I am producing it since I have no garden, I should get some low-light plants and fill my house with them as I upgrade my composting set-up, . I am also currently growing from seeds Dahlia and Gypsophila, you can use disposable cups, like the ones they give you at take-out for sauces, to germinate them, kind of like a micro green-house
>>2404 How necessary is turning? I have a bear problem in my neighborhood and I was planning to make a stone/cinder block enclosure for my compost. Ideally I would keep it covered as much as possible and avoid turning so the smell won't attract any bears.
We can't go back. Humans are social beings who use tools by natural law, it's what we do. We are social, so we will always form bigger and bigger communities until cities form. We improve things, so we will always improve our tools, until the tech and the urbanization mix, and industrial factory lines are formed again, and Ted's cycle repeats itself. Ted's books are a framework to view history that is unique and important, but to believe there is an off ramp of human nature doesn't sound correct. The real issue is over population. That's the issue with everything. I hate the globohomo, but they're right, the answer to pretty much every issue facing the human species and every individual race is global over population.
>>3015 I will agree with you completely that we are social beings who seem to utilize and create technology by our very nature (from the most primitive to most advanced, it doesn’t matter), and as I have pointed out under one ID or another ITT, technique isn’t limited to just humans, but in humans alone it is changeable, creative and inventive. What I am left wondering was whether this technological world today was 100% unavoidable – when I speak of the “technological world” I mean one in which the domination of techniques has taken over essentially every aspect of human society, mechanizing it, regimenting it, snuffing out all spontaneity and the irrational, bending humans to its own laws rather than how it ought to be, the opposite. From my reading of Ellul it seems as if he places a lot emphasis on the morality of a given society and how much it becomes penetrated and subjected to rampant technique. For example early in The Technological Society he discusses the Greeks and their scientific inquiry, noting in particular how the Greeks didn’t seem to really apply their scientific discoveries. There was a separation between science and technique, unlike today. Greece at this time, he notes, had ideals of contemplative intelligence, a scorn of material needs, manual labor (due to it being the work of slaves) and a system of virtues which exalted self-control, moderation and harmony. He quotes one modern author on the subject: >Did the Creeks, obsessed with harmony, check themselves at the very point at which inquiry ran the risk of going to excess and threatened to introduce a monstrosity into their civilization?" If we accept this type of idea, something happened where all boundaries were removed, all systems of virtue discredited and shoved aside and science became united with technique, application becoming imperative. The Amish are one (cliched at this point on /fascist/) example of a system or morality which has checked rampant technique. They’re not a utopian society, obviously, but much healthier than mainstream America. Anti-tech will only come to fruition provided there is a revolution in thought, otherwise the system will play itself out to some sort of final destination. Ted neglected this type of thinking too much, I think.
>>2449 It speeds-up the process by a lot, but there are manny composting set-ups that skip this feature. Another way of speeding the process is by trapping the heat generated by the compost and keeping it at a cozy 60°C. Maybe the cinder blocks will be able to retain some heat. Keeping it covered will also help to retain moisture so you should do it anyways. >Bears The closest bears to where I live are in San Francisco Haha, get it? and I know they have a very good sense of smell, but in theory, if you achieve the proper 1:2 ratio of nitrogens and carbon your compost should just smell like fresh soil, a rotten smell means that you are adding too manny fruits and greens and not enough dead plant material like twigs and dead leaves.
At what point do you fags plan to actually abandon modern technology and go live in reservations? I could make some extra money by organizing tours, people could have some fun pointing fingers at you and laughing from the other side of the enforced glass while you fling shit, rocks, spears and arrows (if spears and arrows aren't too high tech for you) at them.
>>3025 to respond to your shitpost, I don't anyone is seriously proposing abandoning all modern tech. you can't stuff the genie back in the bottle. what we can do is alter our lifestyle and social organization to be more sustainable and in balance with nature, which does not preclude technology.
>>3025 Technology effect | ecological | social beneficial | use encouraged | permitted harmless | permitted/avoid | avoid harmful | abandon | abandon that's about it, so plenty of tech left to use shitty table because excel is ebil tech lel t. eco-fascist caveman
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>>3027 >what we can do is alter our lifestyle and social organization to be more sustainable and in balance with nature I agree, but that's not saying much since every idealistic Greta Thunberg tier zoomer zombie agrees with you there too. >>3028 Can't it just be summed up in "use technology (or anything else in life for that matter) responsibly"? Not sure if one needs an ideology/system for that. Greed will still prevail over utopic ecomarxist ideals. Yes i said "eco-marxist", because this eco-marxist bullshit serves as a tool for jews to lure in out-doors fetishists with no grasp of economics or dynamics of civilizations, in order to further weaken white people while actual power keeps accumulating in hands of people from Silicon Valley like Jeff Bezos. You fags think you're woke, but you're cattle.
>>3030 >eco-marxist Sum it up all you want, that most people can't handle their enviroment or anything else responsibly is pretty much a given but just one thing, tell me what Marx wrote about environmentalism, cuz shit I don't remember anything. What I do remember is a lot of stuff by the NSDAP, not surprising for a movement that believes in natural law to take pride and care for the environment, so cut the crap about Marxism and Jews. Jews are just parasites who never care if their host dies.
>>3031 I don't know what Marx or Engels wrote regarding ecology or much else, but if they lived today i'm pretty sure they would be quite keen on selling the idea that europeans should compromise their economic power in order to save the fucking planet, because niggers in third world can't stop reproducing. Smells like marxism to me. I don't feel like "planting trees in a jew garden so that jews can profit from lumber". Europeans must rise to power first, through economic power, worrying about the environment is a luxury right now.
>>3030 >eco-marxist Marxism is all about progress, technological advancement and turning the state itself into one giant technical organism. In fact it was ideologies like Marxism which actually began to win over the masses to technology. Before Marx and socialism in general there was at least a degree of suspicion towards machines, but once they were told / reassured that the machine would be the liberator of the proletariat rather than the instrument of its total enslavement, they wholeheartedly jumped on the side of the "progress" and technical advancement. This process was likewise helped along by rising living standards, consumer goods and the like, which is a whole other topic. Materialism triumphed. >>3033 >I don't know what Marx or Engels wrote regarding ecology or much else, but if they lived today i'm pretty sure they would be quite keen on selling the idea that europeans should compromise their economic power in order to save the fucking planet, because niggers in third world can't stop reproducing If you'd read the thread or some of the thinkers discussed in this thread you'd realize that these issues have been discussed ITT, along with the fact that White technology and industry has disseminated into the hands of non-Whites, and how this is a tragedy for all of us. Also, since Linkola is a prominent figure ITT it's clear that no one is planning to just allow niggers to breed with abandon if they have anything to say about it. Linkola goes as far as to propose germ-warfare and nuclear bombs to reduce the population. And since the majority of the growth is in the third world, it's clear who will need reduced the most. If a deep ecology-based government comes to power, it will be White Nationalist, I can guarantee it. You seem to have a strawman idea of what anti-tech means, especially when put into place on a societal-scale.
>>3046 >Marxism is all about progress, <stoppedreadingthere.jpg kek, surely no lies being spouted here.
>>3092 You would only have a problem with this statement if you believed in the lie of "progress". Marxism is undeniably a progressive ideology which sees history advancing towards a global communist utopia, hence why they use terms such as "reactionary" and the like.
>>3107 I couldn't care less what they style themselves as. The simple fact is they are absolutely destructive, not progressive. Degenerate, not moral. You're apparent promotion of them and their agenda here in this place certainly puts you on the watch list here.
>>3108 Oh no, not the watch list!
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>>3108 I don't believe in the myth of "progress", so I don't care what they style themselves as. Of course their idea of "progress" is destructive to nearly everything we hold dear. My posts in no way promote Marxism, which has nothing at all to due with deep ecology, a movement with roots in German Romanticism, National Socialism and similar reactionary causes. Likewise, actual Marxist regimes have horrible environmental records. I'll try to be a good goy and keep off your watch-list. Have mercy
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>>3025 I don't plan to abandon modern high tech while civilization is still functioning (hopefully it won't last for much longer). If SHTF, then I guess we'd all have to abandon high tech. I still use high tech often, but try to learn how to handle situations the old fashioned way.
>>3138 That’s what I think a lot of anons against this stuff don’t realize, is that if SHTF – and truly hits the fan – a lot of their technical luxuries will become unusable or have few ways to be repaired if broken. Simple technologies almost never regress, only the organization-dependent like Ted said. I would like to live a comfy life in a low-tech environment though, either alone or with my future family or even better with a few families sharing a similar vision. In many ways I see rejecting many forms of this stuff as a form of self-mastery, not always taking the easy way, and of having control of the machine and not being its slave.
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>>3140 Agreed. Although a SHTF scenario may not happen instantly, we need to know how to grow/forage/hunt our own food, and create and repair our own technologies (tools, shelter, clothes, etc) before things get really bad. The good thing is, I think a lot of young people are seeing the failures of this high-tech civilization and they're becoming more interested in DIY projects and sustainability. >I would like to live a comfy life in a low-tech environment though I'd enjoy living with low-tech, too. If it were possible for me to live 100% autonomously, I'd use my paper money as fire kindling and give up all my modern technologies in a heartbeat.
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>>3260 I don't know about you, but for me this Coronavirus thing (regardless of origins) has really underlined for me the overdependence of the population on supermarkets, supply-lines and and the like. With the first sign that people might not be able to get to the store easily back in March the shelves were wiped out and items were all in shortage. I had thought of what would happen in a bad scenario before with the stores, but this was the first inkling that I was thinking along the right lines. If SHTF literally millions of people would die because they just expect that food will magically show up on the shelves. As times get rougher (and they will), food independence will become more important, and I hope more redpilled people will start to realize this. You touch on a lot of this in your post, especially with the other important topic of repair and creation of our own stuff instead of expecting everything to be done for us, which weakens us. Individuals are of course not atomic units, but at a local level of course we need a much higher degree of self-sufficiency in the most basic (and thus most important needs). In this direction I haven't taken many practical steps yet, but as I'm undergoing /sig/ in general it will come sooner or later. >I'd enjoy living with low-tech, too. If it were possible for me to live 100% autonomously, I'd use my paper money as fire kindling and give up all my modern technologies in a heartbeat. I hope you are able to live out your wish one day, anon. For myself I know for a fact that I will never resign myself to a lifetime of meaningless wagecucking. As far as I know we only live once, and for me that does not mean hedonism, but having a fulfilling life, even if it is impoverished by the standards of a materialist. My problem is the procurement stage, because unless I want to pull a Chris McCandless I'd like to own some land and have enough shit to get off the ground
Alt-kike: White women in wheat fields Ecofascists: White lolis in nature Dare I say based?
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>>3282 >As times get rougher (and they will), food independence will become more important Yes. Even though shit hasn't totally hit the fan yet, I'm sure it's difficult today to maintain a balanced wild/natural diet even for the hardcore survivalists. Most human-habitable places in the world are lacking in wild foods because they're developed and over-populated, polluted, or have degraded wildlife habitats. I don't know how long it will be after SHTF and the human population significantly drops until most natural systems are restored and we can easily obtain our own food from nature. The best shot we have nowadays at food independence is to grow fruits and veggies with permaculture and humanely keep some animals. Or if you don't own any land, try guerrilla gardening in secret locations. I'm not suggesting to do anything illegal, but it's probably not going to hurt anyone if you get excited and accidentally drop a few vegetable seeds out in public/private property ;) >In this direction I haven't taken many practical steps yet Same, I feel like I have A LOT to learn regarding self-sufficiency. It may sound silly, but I sometimes go out in the woods and LARP as a primitivist or a hunter-gatherer. It's a fun way to evaluate your strengths and weaknesses, and to practice your wilderness skills. >having a fulfilling life, even if it is impoverished by the standards of a materialist That's a great mindset to have. For a many years, we've been conditioned to always want more, never be satisfied with what we have, and to believe that we can't do things ourselves in this consumerist society. We need to reverse this conditioning. I wish you good luck in your journey as well, Anon. >>3286 There's nothing quite as good as a happy White loli in nature.
>>3286 And who you think produces the lolis?
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>>3845 >Same, I feel like I have A LOT to learn regarding self-sufficiency. It may sound silly, but I sometimes go out in the woods and LARP as a primitivist or a hunter-gatherer. It's a fun way to evaluate your strengths and weaknesses, and to practice your wilderness skills. Kek that sounds like fun actually. I own a few books on edible wild plants in my region that I've really been needing to put some time into studying and memorizing. It will be fun to go out in the woods sometime soon and try to identify some plants and try not to poison myself. Another book that someone recommended recently is the first pic I have attached. I don't own it but it looks interesting and very useful to people like us. Eventually I need to try increasingly long camping trips to test my mettle. Even if I move out somewhere eventually I'm definitely going to slowly wean myself off the outside, otherwise I'll probably starve to death knowing me. Like you said, practice! >The best shot we have nowadays at food independence is to grow fruits and veggies with permaculture and humanely keep some animals. That's basically my plan, assuming all things go well. I'm definitely interested in keeping animals too. If you haven't read up much on them yet, I recommend the book shown in my second attached pic. It's a pretty big book and goes over every animal shown on the cover in some good detail (for beginners), telling you what type of food they need, the different varieties of each animal, basic medical care, shelter, birthing and the like. It doesn't deal with butchering though, if you're interested in that. Personally I'm interested in goats and chickens the most, and with goats in particular it seems like the females give so much milk that it's better just to keep them for that purpose, not to mention that they can haul light loads as well.
>>3846 >And who you think produces the lolis? Loli-producers, of course.
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>>3848 I see
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>>3846 The loli's parents. >>3847 >try to identify some plants and try not to poison myself Lol please don't poison yourself. If you have a smartphone, I'd highly recommend downloading a plant ID app and ID'ing every plant you find in your region. Also take note of any plants that have medicinal uses. When I first started really researching plants, it was amazing discovering how many common wild plants had potent medicinal uses. >books Thanks for the recommendations. I'd like to have a cow or goat, as I can't imagine life without cheese, milk and butter.
>>3851 So... you and your milf
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>>3851 I hadn't even thought of looking for a phone app that could help me with plant IDs, that's a good suggestion and I will have to look into that here soon. I'm sure that once one really begins to learn about what is growing around them in an area that is more or less untouched by humans (i.e. no development or major disruptions, truly pristine stuff is super rare) they'd be stunned how many useful things are growing around them, whether they have, like you said, medicinal properties, or whether they're edible. That's one thing that I do admire in hunter gatherers and other people of a similar level, with this area in particular they are much more in connection with the nature around them, and not as utterly pathetic and helpless as a modern human would be if removed from his excessively artificial milieu. >>3851 >I'd like to have a cow or goat, as I can't imagine life without cheese, milk and butter. Goats honestly seem like a great investment. I alluded to this in my previous post, but apparently according to the book I recommended, during the peak of production a doe in her prime should give at least 8 pounds (1 gallon) of milk per day and 2 pounds (1 quart) per day by the end of her lactation cycle. During the entire lactation period the average doe will give about 1,800 pounds worth of milk (900 quarts). That's insane, I don't even know what I'd do with that much. Unfortunately you can't really sell it because Jews require you have to have all sorts of state-approved and expensive equipment for storing, processing and packaging this shit.
>>3868 the bark of some trees is edible, and pine bark is said to be best. there's a soft layer underneath the woody part called the cambium, which if gathered and prepared can help keep you alive if you have nothing else (just make sure not to strip a ring off the trunk). you can also make tea out of pine needles. but as the other anon said, be aware of poisonous plants/fungi. yew trees in particular are deadly, I believe only the arils (red fruits surrounding the seed) are edible, but you have to remove the seed since it's the most poisonous of all. gathering mushrooms takes alot of knowledge, especially since the poisonous and edible species often look similar (but are not identical).
>>3882 Yeah with mushrooms I've learned firsthand how wild that can be. Late last year a family friend looked around with me and my father for some chanterelles in the woods, which look extremely similar to poisonous jack-o'-lantern mushrooms. He offered us the plastic bag we filled up with mushrooms since he was "pretty sure" they were chanterelles but we were like "nah" because pretty sure isn't good enough with something like that kek
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>>3868 >goats That's incredible, I didn't know they could produce that much milk. Goats are a good natural lawn mower, too. I'd really like to learn more about caring for farm animals, although I can't own any with my current living situation. Selling the excess milk sounds like a good idea, but like you mentioned, it's tricky to sell it, especially when its raw and unpasteurized, in its most nutritious form. >>3882 Good info. To add on, wetlands have some good carbohydrate food sources like wild rice (Zizania), the tubers of duck potato (Sagittaria latifolia) and various parts of cattail (Typha). I've heard that sources of carbohydrates are often overlooked or hard to obtain in survival situations, so it'd be wise to research other wild carbohydrate sources as well. >mushrooms I've had luck finding morels in the spring and chicken of the woods in the fall. They taste great and are fairly easy to distinguish from poisonous lookalikes. Great mushrooms for a beginner to look out for.
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>>3942 Yeah out of everything to try raising, goats seem like the easiest starter. They can weigh up to like 150 pounds according to the breed, but compared to a cow or a horse it's not a massive animal. The biggest issues are having enough space. My book says that you need around 200 square feet of outdoor space per goat. In a nice place in a rural area that's nothing, honestly. The worst part seems to be the prospect of trimming their hooves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya17IujktZM
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>>3966 200 sq ft per goat doesn't sound too bad tbh. I suppose for a single family, you'd probably only need one or two goats. By the way, I'll attach an infographic of average yard sizes in the US. It might help a fellow eco/fascist/ in the US trying to decide where to buy cheap land for a homestead. >vid Yikes, I'd be afraid to cut too deep into the hoof and hurt the goat. But of course, you'd get more confident trimming their hooves the more often you do it.
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>>3994 >>3993 That was a good infograph, and it really shows how bad I was at visualizing what 200 sq ft looked like. I figured it would be much bigger, since that's why I brought it up in the first place, but now that I see that it's basically nothing. To contextualize a bit more, my suburban driveway on Google Earth is something like 670 square feet. Also I'm surprised lots are so big in Vermont and so much smaller in Alaska. Personally I'm most interested in Montana.
>>3942 for sure. you need carbs, protein, and fat to survive, and fiber is also important. if you're catching fish & game, you need to balance the meat with plants/mushrooms. also beware of rabbit starvation, this happens when you don't have any fat in your diet (so-called because rabbit meat is too lean to subsist off of). in general, an unbalanced diet is a bad thing.
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Daily reminder that you don't need to wait to keep cows or goats. The Jew fears the indoor farmer.
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It's so funny that there is a term "environmental antisemitism". HISTORIC ENVIRONMENTAL ANTI-JUDAISM >A third theme, which emerges in rational European 19th-century letters is the concept that Judaism or the Jewish people are "unnatural" or exist outside the realm of healthy nature. Johann Gottlieb von Herder deemed the Jews "an alien Asiatic people" and called them "a parasitic growth on the trunk of other peoples" >Hegel, in "The Spirit of Christianity and Its Destiny," viewed the Jewish people as arising from the essence of their cultural origins. Jewish essence was "an aloofness and a possible estrangement from the world, physically as well as socially. Abraham was a stranger on earth, a stranger to the soil, and to men alike." Jewish separation extends past the physical earth into the sphere of metaphysics. Hegel held that "Abraham regarded the whole world as simply his opposite ... he looked at it as sustained by a God who was alien to it." This approach of course made the Jew the special favorite of his one god, but it gave Judaism "a contempt for the whole world." >Ludwig Feuerbach considers polytheism superior to Judaism because "the polytheist approaches nature as it reveals itself to the senses and conceives of it as an object of aesthetic admiration as well as of scientific observation and inquiry. The Jew, on the other hand, in his conception of nature transcends its immediate appearance and projects behind its creator" (Katz, 1980, p. 163). The Jewish creator God manipulates nature at will for the benefit of his elite nation of priests. These unnatural acts benefit only the "selfish" chosen people. Feuerbach thought Judaism was based on two major qualities: utilism (Utilismus, the desire for profit) and egoism. http://www.jstor.com/stable/40338956
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>>4137 It's so stupid that a term like that even exists. I don't revere nature to spite the Jews.
>>4150 I am the same. Though I was not let to deep ecology by my awareness of the JQ, I soon realized that I was on the right path when I saw certain more radical strands of environmentalism slandered (or should I say “honored” with the label of “antisemitic”. They fear the White man returning to Nature, honoring its Laws, for wanting to conserve it for reasons beyond pure anthropocentric greed.
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>>4151 Absolutely. I care about environmental issues because I want a better future for our children and all other living creatures on Earth. But I guess we're antisemitic for wanting that. >They fear the White man returning to Nature Anything not in line with their beliefs is antisemitic. Just like when Iceland proposed a bill to ban male infant circumcision and of course it didn't pass because it was antisemitic. I'm sure there's millions of other cases of "antisemitism" like this.
>>4163 >I care about environmental issues because I want a better future for our children and all other living creatures on Earth Same. The 14 words are inseparable from making sure that the environment remains livable for future generations of White children. And even beyond this, I think that modernity is so ugly—asphalt hellscapes, seemingly cloned clusters of suburban developments, stripmalls, etc. No war has ever led to wastelands such as these. >I'm sure there's millions of other cases of "antisemitism" like this. Millennia of being kicked out of their host nations has made their danger-detection instincts hypersensitive. This is why even the most benign of statements or proposals can drive them absolutely mad.
>>4164 >>4151 >>4163 I'm guessing not only the jews will be affected when the Whites become eco fascist.
>>4166 Of course it won't only be the Jews. Kikes will need to get the gas, I'm sure that everyone can agree on that at this point. I'm not even just saying this to be edgy, I have come to the realization that making the Holohoax a reality is an imperative for the White races. For millennia now there has been a cycle of subversion and kicking out the subverters. The scale and power of subversion too has grown over the centuries with the development of more and more advanced technologies. Now the area of subversion is positively global in scope (minus a few countries). How long will we tolerate this? Other races will be affected as well. Just look at the demographic predictions for the Third World, Africa especially. If climate change is true even in the most benign sense we'll be seeing tens of millions of Africans pouring into Europe late this century. The population growth needs controlled. Not necessarily Ethnoglobe, but if nothing is done the White race is toast. Ethnoglobe is certainly a possible future, but probably unlikely. It always makes me laugh when guys on our side talk about how the elites want depopulation, as if we should hate depopulation because of this. In reality, if you oppose depopulation, that's tantamount in my mind to saying "I love shitskins". We need to return to about one billion people on this planet.
>>4166 multi-millionaires and billionaires running industries are the single biggest threat to the environment, most of them are White. greed isn't a purely racial trait.
>>4167 All one billion of them White Aryans.
>>4181 That's right. Just imagine such a beautiful world emerging out of the mess that we inhabit now.
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We need eugenics fast. Why the fuck do people still oppose it? Even the most liberal and left-leaning individual needs to realize that even without muh inbreeding, genetic diseases and horrid phenotype are cropping up in the gene pool fast without natural selection. It doesn't even have to use genocide to be put into place. Just chemically castrate individuals, tranny faggots already do that by their own accord.
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>>4187 >Why the fuck do people still oppose it? There is a whole load of reasons. One has to do with the legacy of the Third Reich. It has become taboo. Eugenics used to be a mainstream idea. My favorite example of this is that it was mainstream enough where fairs used to hold "Fitter Families for Future Firesides" contests to promote eugenics education. The winners had their pictures published in the local newspaper and received a medallion. The first one of these was in a Kansas state fair sometime around 1920. Can you imagine that happening today? Likewise many states passed sterilization laws. But all of this was slowly overturned in the decades after WWII. Alongside this, there is Christcucks. I do not say this lightly when I say that Christians loved deformed and unhealthy babies. In the US state that I live in, it is a felony to knowingly abort a fetus with Down Syndrome. This is exclusive due to Christcuck "pro-Life" efforts. Abortion (for Whites) in general is a bad thing, but when it goes so far as to preserve the unfit, it's degenerate and harmful to our society. The third factor is leftism / slave morality. They love the lowly, downtrodden, and degenerates of all kinds. Cucked as they are by fictions such as "human rights", they cannot help but value each and every abomination that comes out of a womb. They wouldn't blink an eye if a mother aborted a healthy fetus, but they'd cry out in anger if someone aborted a fetus with defects. Until this is fixed, our people will continue to decline, to grow weaker and weaker, more and more sickly, mentally ill and fucked up. http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/connections/535eebfb7095aa0000000228
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I have removed a handful of posts ITT and edited >>3942 and >>3966 to remove some discussion that is against global rules. Sorry for the inconvenience, anons, but it's best not to go against what the admins want if we want to keep the board. Try our bunker for debating this topic if you must. See: >>4616
>>4814 Apologies. I haven't been to this thread in a while and am just now seeing your post. I can stop posting lil girls altogether if you think the board's safety is at stake.
>>5277 No worries, anon. The posts ITT weren’t even the ones deleted. It was all in the QTDDTOT, mainly graphs which demonstrated links between the number of partners and marriage stability, some sorts of redpill graphs on the AOC and the like, not actually the pics as far as I understand. It’s most important to just make sure we’re in accordance with global rule two “Do not advocate or assist real paedophilia or child abuse”. Posters can’t argue for certain stuff (“loliwives”) Regardless, while I wouldn’t say you have to completely stop, just try to minimize it. The loli debacle was recently a huge shitstorm over on our Neinchan bunker as well, it’s pretty funny.
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What is eco/fascist/'s view on managing non-native/invasive plant or animal species? I don't know whether it's better to let nature go wild and possibly get overrun by invasives or to intervene by removing them. I want to believe that every plant/animal species regardless of its invasive status has a place in nature, but sometimes they can hinder the success of other beneficial native species.
>>5278 Understood, thanks FashBO. Glad to see you like my OC as well
>>5279 If we look to Linkola himself, he was very much opposed to invasive species of both plants and animals. In his view these things should be removed due to the damage that they can cause to the native ecosystems and biological diversity. One example of Linkola’s that a lot of people may have heard is his hatred of house cats for the destruction of local bird populations and endangered mammals such as the mink. I have to agree with him I think, in so far as removal is possible, they should be removed, especially if they are harmful. With some species there is little effect, just look at Starlings. They’re native to Europe but now live in North America as well. They’re messy eaters and a bit noisy but hardly destructive on a large scale as far as I’m aware.
>>5280 I’m not surprised it was you kek. Very nice and time appropriate in light of recent events though
>>5281 I'd remember he wanted some species to go extinct.
>>5279 Can this be said the same for the human races?
>>5284 Yes, I think he has said something like that. Knowing him, it would not seem too out of the ordinary. >>5285 All of this can be applied to humans. Non-Whites in White lands should be considered a form of invasive species. Different racial groups inhabiting the same territory will inevitably lead to tensions and competition over resources and jobs. The problem is now that our countries are controlled by globalist social engineers who want these foreigners and want to force us to like them against all instincts and inspite of all of their behavior, which further goes to show that they are destructive to a cohesive society. Given the fact that a lot of ecofascists support eugenics as a matter of course, preventing inferior elements into the national body is also pretty much a given. Though the invasive species analogy isn’t 1:1, it can make sense to refer to them in such a way and show that removal is necessary.
>>5289 Honest question in regards to this applying to human races, do Whites who arrived in the new world count as invasive species? I don't mean to sound Anti-White here but a lot species like the buffalo and passenger pigeon were greatly reduced or outright extinct due to excessive hunting. Also, a lot of forests and other natural land has been cleared to make way for farm land, farm land that would have never existed if Whites had never gone to the new world. Once again, I really must reiterate this, I am not trying to sound anti White. Whites took north American by might and might does make right. North America rightfully belongs to them. What I'm trying to say is their previous actions almost make them look like an invasive species
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>>5292 I think the case could be made. I wouldn't even say that it's necessarily anti-White to say this. What happened in the past happened, but it's going forward that we can fix things, attempt to replant trees, adopt healthier practices and live more in harmony with our natural environment and nature in general. With regards to the Natives, this was basically (as I'm sure you know) natural selection at work given the fact that they could not resist our diseases.
>>5292 >do Whites who arrived in the new world count as invasive species? I would say so, yes. Also I haven't researched it and I could be wrong, but I heard somewhere that there were strong Jewish ties to the colonization of the Americas. So I'm not sure if the first colonizers were actually European Whites. Maybe someone with more knowledge can confirm or disprove this claim. IMO being born in America with European ancestry, I sometimes feel like a guest on someone else's land. My real home is in Western Europe and I would gladly move back if the opportunity was available. But while we're still in America, we can try our best to take care of the environment by picking up litter, planting trees, and only taking what we need from natural resources.
>>5365 >strong Jewish ties to the colonization of the Americas With spaniards there was that factor, they like to vehemently deny it but the fact is the discovery of the new world was at the same time Spain had won their Reconquista and wanted to dispose of all the strange caste groups that happened in the moor ages, like the half-arabs, the jews hiding as spaniards (marranos) and some mulattoes in the south coast (those ended up in Morocco). It can be said that most troops that came from spaniard ships were mercenaries and cannon fodder, Cortez being one of them hence the crown always throwing him under the rug despite his notorious underdog achievements, later on when things needed to be settled many of the merchants and legal men were marranos, hence their excellent management of gold and even smuggling of it for their own purposes (funding of their own provinces). Many famous names in many regions were jew of origin and history says they were treacherous as fuck, sometimes they got wiped out, sometimes they were successful but intermarriage with other powerful families ended up making them catholic of christian, which in turn made them destroy themselves in family wars like a cousin coming to power thanks to the patriarch, but then making a coup to expel all jews from a province which ended up kicking out the said patriarch and all his sons. In terms of the english colonization, it's well noted that the first explorers were cautious about how to approach this new world but when they reported the findings, the royal court went all out with soldiers even when the explorers already had achieved trade deals with the injuns for tobacco and other goods in exchange of cheap stuff. Greed was obvious but that's more of an eternal anglo thing than jewish antics even when they are the same thing It's not all bad for european settlers, in injundom many nations are seen benevolently or at least not as bad as the other ones. Castilian and Anglo people (Irish, British, Scots) were very badly seen but the Basque, the Canarians, the French, the Germans, the Italians (Savoyards, Milanese), the Dutch (Mennonites) and even the war refugee Slavs (Serbs, Prussians) are usually seen as neutral or bringers of good things due to their explicit nature in the new world (either clerics, skilled engineers, adventurers with particular knowledge, refugees escaping war and living peacefully). Ironically by some europeans these guys who were seen as good were vilified for whatever reason (Italian workers were proud and did not mingle with anyone in particular, Canarians were serfs, Basques were hateful mercenaries, >the French, Germans were jerries, the dutch trusted nobody who spoke english, serbs were White injuns, etc)
I sincerely believe the only sustainable mass societies are pyramid builder ones like Old Egypt or Neolithic Europe.
>>5524 You're probably right. The biggest issue though is that once you board the modernity train, there's no getting off. It's adapt or die, if you don't adapt the newest and most efficient methods, you will be destroyed. This applies whether we're talking about businesses or nation-states at large. And as Ted said, there is a marked tendency for groups to favor their short term well-being over their long term, even if there will be negative future consequences. The only way it will end is with a catabolic collapse. It's a strange place to be in that I can recognize the superiority of more primitive civilizations but it is also incompatible with the survival demands of our people, or that of any organized group for that matter.
>>5526 The problem with your argument is that it presumes Globohomo is both eternal and run by hyperskilled statesmen. It's not. Demographics. Breeding. Others. These will all combine to ensure collapse. The elites are too much coomers and Jews to care.
>>5538 So no globohomo m and no vidya?
>>5556 Means no Vidya*
>>5495 Lots of good info, thanks Anon.
>>5538 I agree with you actually that collapse is more likely than long term survival. I just don't know how long it has to go before it actually does collapse. I don't think we can count on it going any time soon, but I don't think it has more than a century or so left in it. Like you said, the Jews are actively undermining themselves in their frenzy to destroy our people and enrich themselves. >>5556 >>5557 We can only hope.
I love nature, I really do, I love animals so much and every day I feel horrible about the plights they go through because of the global mass of degenerates. I just cannot agree with abolishing technology. The issue is kikery, simple as that. African niggers have received approximately 1 trillion in aid, according to conservative pro-nigger estimates. That's enough said. Imagine half of that being given to help the oceans, and letting the subhumans die. It's really just this. Now, make the fat people starve to death and nature is already relieved of so many burdens. We need technology to fight the jew and its slaves. Hitler himself accused Strasser of being crazy when he asked of Hitler to turn his back against Germany's heavy industries because of ideological reasons, and we all know he cared about the environment. You need that power. It can be used for good. It just needs to be used well, right now it is being used to feed niggers and enslave the White man. Once the degenerates are dealt with, many anti-tech radicals will change their mind as they see the problem being solved without renouncing technology.
>>4150 those are some beautiful flowers
>>5662 I don't think the solution is abolishing technology, either. My view of this is personally more in line with Linkola. I have concluded that there is certainly a problem with the modern mindset and its approach to technology, more specifically the behavior that leads to the unthinking application of technology in every field of life without thinking of its potential repercussions on societal stability and health. Once people were wooed out of techno-skepticism in the 19th century, they became thoroughgoing techno-optimists and believed that it was some sort of key to a better life and better humanity. Both Communists and Capitalists share the same foundation here. Now some people are realizing that technology is not the answer for everything, and in fact that it is leading to many harmful developments as well. We need to be more selective and restrained, and it is this that will lead to greater freedom and fulfillment in life rather than instant gratification, striving after greater and greater efficiency and relieving ourselves of the need for manual labor. It needs sidelined and reduced, but kept where it is essential and not in conflict with environmental and social concerns. See also: >>3016
>>5662 >many anti-tech radicals will change their mind as they see the problem being solved without renouncing technology. I'd still encourage people to minimize their use of most modern tech that we currently rely on. Some tech we use everyday like calculators diminish our ability to calculate simple math problems in our head. GPS impacts our navigational skills. Even older technology like shoes weaken our foot musculature. I think it's foolish to be against ALL modern technology though. For example scuba diving gear (since you mentioned oceans) could help us better understand the oceans. >>5663 Can't hurt to beautify the thread with flowers. >>5680 >believed that it was some sort of key to a better life and better humanity My parents are stuck in that mindset. I tried to justify why I'm against most modern tech and told them how we're quickly depleting the earth's resources, and they said it's up to our generation to discover some alternative to fossil fuels (lol). It's just not worth arguing with these techno-optimists.
>>5701 Killing all shitskins would be a great alternative to massive fossil fuel consumption
>>5713 Killing is not the solution here. Just cut off all aid and let those who are too weak to survive on their own to die naturally.
>>5701 >and they said it's up to our generation to discover some alternative to fossil fuels (lol). It's just not worth arguing with these techno-optimists. Peak boomer. A lot of people with this mindset are going to be in for a rude awakening in a few decades or a century from now when their comfy lives fall apart. Not that anyone will care now or want to adopt such a long term policy to avoid this. >>5713 >>5722 At some point there will likely need to be some killing. I'm just stating what seems to be an unavoidable fact, this isn't some sort of gleeful thing, it's a matter of survival if growth continues at the rate it is, especially in places like Africa. >>5722 is right to an extent that cutting off aid will likely do some good in thinning them out since they are already very reliant on White aid, but I can't help but think that we will need to go a lot further in some areas. There are a lot of ways that we could totally cripple fragile non-White countries. For example, biological warfare. Taint their water supplies, infect them with viruses or bacteria, release insects to eat all of their crops, etc. All fairly hands-off methods.
>>5722 Yeah I mean whether you take away their food or shoot them you're still killing them, like if you suddenly stopped feeding some dogs you raised. It's all wordplay anyhow. What matters is the end result, which is as close to zero of these useless resource hogs as possible before they completely destroy our planet. They breed like rabbits and consume like locusts, without even inventing anything. Just leeching off of our technological progress and leveraging it to eat nature.
>being unironically pro-tech At least you have to outlaw much of it and lynch the men pushing it. Not just the most obvious degenerates like Pharma for their ties to trannies/faggots and the entire birth control industry (both having hideous impacts on water life) but social media, transportation (not only from the use of boats to transport Niggers but the airplane industry for being propped up by Globohomo cash), entertainment, NASA...
>>5731 OK hipster, good luck resisting other military powers without the technology of clothing forks guns and bombs
>>5731 So long as our enemies operate technologically, we are forced to do the same, at least on the societal level. Might makes right. I hope one day that we can have a low tech all White future, though. I understand where you are coming from, but personally it is impossible to reconcile with the imperative of preserving our people in the short term against White Genocide.
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>>5752 All technology isn't the same either. The luddite trend of not being able to delineate what is "good" or "bad" tech lowers the value of their arguments. They still live in houses (a technology), they still cultivate crops (a technology), they still hunt with weapons (a technology). So even beyond the obvious and most pressing issue of defense, where you need technology to survive and eventually transform into an anti-technology utopia, there is still the issue of determining what is allowed or disallowed technology. It seems to me that a more useful approach would be to control our use of technology instead of letting it control us. Once you wield a technology it will always have a symbiotic relationship with you. But as the other anon said, we don't have to use Instagram with women uploading pictures of themselves like a marketing tool. Or just because you have the technology available to distribute porn doesn't mean you should use it like that. Just because you have heroin technology doesn't mean you should inject it, etc. If one thinks of technology as a word that merely covers over the more informative "technique", then you realize that banning all techniques is a fool's errand, and a more informed and nuanced approach is needed. And of course there is the third issue of needing technology to colonize outer space which in my mind is absolutely a worthy goal for our race.
>>5777 Good post. Stuff like what you said here is why I am personally so interested in the Amish - not for their Christianity or pacifism of course, but for their approach to technology. It's of course ludicrous to say that the Amish "reject technology" when in reality they are incredibly selective and view many modern forms of technology as "worldly". They are actually very selective in what they choose to use, and they seem to keep what it is conducive to preserving their way of life and keeping things small scale, and rejecting that which is the opposite of these. And due to this selectivity and common worldview, they are far, far healthier than the rest of America. They are a great example of an actual group mastering technology and still flourishing by any reasonable standard. I can't tell exactly what poster you are due to Tor, but again I'll point to >>3016 for the importance of rejecting this worldview which demands application of everything we can possibly create, and which seems to have no self-control or forethought. Regarding outer space, I'm not sure what to think. I think there is some form of kikery going on there. The moon-landing seems to have been pretty clearly a hoax, NASA is involved in all sorts of image fakery and seems to be little better than a blackhole for the goyim's money. Either it's impossible / extremely difficult or they're hiding something, because the elite would not back away from exploiting space.
>>5777 >And of course there is the third issue of needing technology to colonize outer space which in my mind is absolutely a worthy goal for our race. >of course Yeah, about that Anon... Being that A) Space is an exceedingly hostile location to any life, and B) Every other location outside the Earth is also highly hostile to life, and C) Long-distance space travel conditions are impossible for men to stay alive for long under, then D) The only 'outer' space 'colonizing' we'll ever be doing is in LEO, where we're at least somewhat safer from deadly space radiation, inside the /comfy/ magnetic bubble God crafted for us to live within. And, since E) Micro-gravity conditions are also eventually (on the order of 2 - 3 years) untenable for advanced life such as homo sapiens sapiens to live in successfully then F) We're already colonizing the only 'spaceship' mankind will ever colonize in this universe. And it's a beautiful blue dot, no where better! :^)
>>5792 It's Earth. Now the thing is what do we do if we start colonizing other countries. What about the peoples over there?
>>5792 Agreed with this. Wanting to colonize other planets is foolish when we already have this planet to take care of.
>>5792 Good points. But I'm not convinced it's all so impossible as you think, in the long term.
>>5792 Mostly this. I agree with >>5780 too. The elite are hiding something. Remember that they literally claim that they "LOST" the technology to get back to the moon magically. I'm increasingly convinced that sci-fi and Hollywood movies are shilling for the 'colonize the stars' angle.
>>179 >Kaczynski devotes an entire chapter of ''Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How" to his idea that the development of human society can never be rationally controlled. He does not deny that in specific contexts with abundant empirical evidence that it might be possible to achieve fairly accurate short-term prediction and control of a society's behavior but outside of these contexts he lays out a fairly sound case foor why successful prediction and successful management of a society's development is extremely difficult if not impossible... This might warrant a proper reading of this chapter because the field of speculation of the chances of natSoc survival on the long term are very interesting. I am of the opinion that it is possible to have a form of high technology as long as it stick to the Laws of Nature and provide the most stringent control over the excesses of electro-mechanized production, striving for quality instead of quantity. It really blends into the science-fictional ideal of a great city of subtle but powerful technology surrounded by vast and beautiful areas of pure land. In the 50-60s, I think a lot of people believed this could be the future. Archeofuturism tends to suggest something of that vein too. I find it depressing that we're condemned to find our best liveable ecosystem if it never goes beyond the advances of Hellenistic times. There, where does stand the proof that NatSoc would not be able to work well beyond a decade of activity?
>>5810 Whether it's bull or not, we know space is dangerous but we have also largely theorized how terraforming works. We know how to produce EM fields, we're about to be able to cast them around vehicles, we got a set back of one century or so because of faulty quantum physics (mostly due to the fraudster Einstein). I think we can produce a powerful and magnificent civilization that would provide all we need, from good life to real means towards true godhood, not that of machines, but of real minds of a greater power and nature, as explicitly described in older myths and legends. >>5792 You ironically provide the best arguments for transhumanism, if all there is to life is live like a woodnigger for eternity, here or on any other planet. Yet these two opposite sides represent a false dichotomy. Fuck it, let's be gods!
>>7615 >muh quantum physics >muh EM fields >muh terraforming >shilling transhumanism Sci-Fi movies and video games have rotted your brain. The real redpill is that there is little impressive about being able to manipulate matter. It should be no surprise that the most "advanced" civilization on the planet today is also one of the materialistic, hedonistic, degenerate and decaying. Jews are a symptom of an even deeper problem.
>>7626 This, I honestly don't believe the whole technology will be so advance that most science fiction are a now a reality. It just seems unlikely especially when you consider the incompetence and the fact that we are barely able to make fully working robots that doesn't need manual maintenance every 20-30 minutes. If science fiction levels of tech is possible, then it's definitely not going to be achievable in era.
>>7631 It should surprise no one here, but a large amount of popular tech shills are Jews. Ray Kurzweil comes to mind first and foremost. Back on JulayWorld someone had a good image which laid out exactly how Jewish most of these people actually are, I wish I had the pic. Transhumanism in particular is an atheistic Jewish religion founded on the conceit of "godhood" or "immortality". They hate the human body and the soul, because they don't have a soul. It's why they want to pervert everything beautiful about humanity into something ugly, so I say to the transhumanists, go ahead and start throwing away your humanity, best goyim, get a hole drilled in your skull so you can get more FUCKING AWESOME gadgets and frivolous conveniences with Neuralink that will merely enslave the people more and more, giving the elite direct control over your brain and body. People watch these sci-fi movies and think that this is actually something that humanity is heading towards, and not just are we heading towards it, it will work out great! We can't even salvage our environment on fucking Earth and still retards come in here and think that we can turn some rocky shitshole millions of miles away into another Earth just because they saw Black Science Man say it or saw that humans did it in fucking Halo. I'm not even convinced we went to the moon.
>>7633 Honestly we don't deserve transhumanism White or not, Humanity should evolve to protect and harmonize with nature, otherwise if we just become superhuman because of tech then we will forget and really have no desire to protect the thing that protected and created us in the first place. Transhumanism, DNA splicing, etc it's all degenerate and we don't deserve until nature and the God(s) say we do. >People watch these sci-fi movies and think that this is actually something that humanity is heading towards, and not just are we heading towards it, it will work out great! This is what I like to call the "cult of entertainment and science". >We can't even salvage our environment on fucking Earth and still retards come in here and think that we can turn some rocky shitshole millions of miles away into another Earth just because they saw Black Science Man say it or saw that humans did it in fucking Halo. And the ideas that intergalactic colonization is even reaching the minds of scientists despite the issues going on today is further proof that they don't give a shit about Earth.
>>7615 Anon most of what you said is not likely gonna to be possible until like at least a hundred or a thousand years. I really wouldn't go around trusting and believing modern science, considering that a large number of Jews are a scientists and a large number of frauds are also Jewish like Einstein.
>>7615 >You ironically provide the best arguments for transhumanism, if all there is to life is live like a woodnigger for eternity, here or on any other planet. To think that this is a sad way to live life is in itself saddening to read.
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>>3286 >implicit supporters of industrial agricultural have shit taste in general No surprises here. >>7634 >This is what I like to call the "cult of entertainment and science". I've used similar terms before myself, because that is really what it is. You put a man in a White lab coat, throw him on TV and then all of the sudden lemmings will eat up whatever he says because he's a "scientist". The same has happened with politics. I can't tell you how many people getting most of their political information from those late night comedy shows, and yet they are still allowed to vote. Democracy was a mistake. >>7639 I wouldn't mind a comfy woods life, either. I am almost sure that it would be more satisfying, tight-knit and healthy than anything today or any sort of (((transhumanist))) wet dream.
>>5777 >All technology isn't the same either. The luddite trend of not being able to delineate what is "good" or "bad" tech lowers the value of their arguments. They still live in houses (a technology), they still cultivate crops (a technology), they still hunt with weapons (a technology). Ted covers this in ISAIF. >209. The reason why technology has seemed always to progress is >that, until perhaps a century or two before the Industrial Revolution, >most technology was small-scale technology. But most of the technology >developed since the Industrial Revolution is organization-dependent >technology. Take the refrigerator for example. Without factory-made parts >or the facilities of a post-industrial machine shop it would be virtually >impossible for a handful of local craftsmen to build a refrigerator. If by some >miracle they did succeed in building one it would be useless to them without >a reliable source of electric power. So they would have to dam a stream and >build a generator. Generators require large amounts of copper wire. Imagine >trying to make that wire without modern machinery. And where would >they get a gas suitable for refrigeration? It would be much easier to build >an icehouse or preserve food by drying or pickling, as was done before the >invention of the refrigerator.
>>8166 >210. So it is clear that if the industrial system were once thoroughly >broken down, refrigeration technology would quickly be lost. The same >is true of other organization-dependent technology. And once this >technology had been lost for a generation or so it would take centuries >to rebuild it,just as it took centuries to build it the first time around. >Surviving technical books would be few and scattered. An industrial >society, if built from scratch without outside help, can only be built in >a series of stages: You need tools to make tools to make tools to make >tools .... A long process of economic development and progress in >social organization is required. And, even in the absence of an ideology >opposed to technology, there is no reason to believe that anyone would be >interested in rebuilding industrial society. The enthusiasm for "progress" is >a phenomenon peculiar to the modern form of society, and it seems not to >have existed prior to the 17th century or thereabouts.
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>>8166 >>8167 >criticism of Ted prospectively refuted by Ted Many such cases
>>4190 >They wouldn't blink an eye if a mother aborted a healthy fetus, but they'd cry out in anger if someone aborted a fetus with defects. What? I have never heard of someone being pro murdering healthy babies but against it for defective ones.
>>8178 If you told some leftist that you aborted a healthy baby because you didn’t want to care for one or you were unable to, they’d pat you on the back and say that it’s in your right as a woman to do so, but if you were a mother and told them that you had a baby aborted *because* it would be retarded or deformed, they’d probably get more uncomfortable. We have to remember that they believe that even abominations like this life: https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE This is the logical conclusion of man-centered creeds. Even abominations like that have more worth than forests, wild animals, clean environments. Just remember how there was even a bit of controversy, if I remember correctly, over the fact that Iceland was making progress towards potentially eradicating Down Syndrome through selective abortions.
>>8179 >If you told some leftist that you aborted a healthy baby because you didn’t want to care for one or you were unable to, they’d pat you on the back and say that it’s in your right as a woman to do so, but if you were a mother and told them that you had a baby aborted *because* it would be retarded or deformed, they’d probably get more uncomfortable. Thanks for explaining, that makes sense. I am against all abortion, but I can at least understand aborting defectives (although I don't agree with it), but not women's rights nonsense. Leftist "morality" is nonsense. Down syndrome would not be a problem if women married and had children at an earlier age. The system pushes them to go to school and get a career instead. Delaying having kids increases the risk of all sorts of problems. >>4190 >In the US state that I live in, it is a felony to knowingly abort a fetus with Down Syndrome. I thought abortion was legal in all states?
>>8183 I'd be fine with non-White abortions. I mean sure it's nice to have a baby and all but like population numbers are a thing.
>>8183 >but I can at least understand aborting defectives (although I don't agree with it) Why should we strive to preserve defectives at all though? Starting from the hypothetical individual themselves we’re talking about, they exist in a state essentially worse than animal, just take a few moments to watch these videos and reflect on the quality of life that such people have. If I was reduced to this state, I would want to die: https://youtu.be/cyxFDwBuaXA https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE And then we have to think of the burden that is put on the parents by being forced to deal with such a person. And not just for eighteen or twenty years, but for likely most of their lives, especially in more severe cases like I have linked in the two videos above. And above the level of the family there is the burden incurred by the state and society at large in having to deal with people like this as well, and we can only imagine the financial burden of this. Disposing of such defective individuals is the most ancient form of eugenics. >I thought abortion was legal in all states? It is, but the laws vary depending on what state you’re in. In some states it is more strict than others and conservatives periodically try to make it as difficult as possible to actually get one, as close as they can to banning it without actually banning it. I’m sure this will keep happening until Roe v. Wade is turned over (doubtful). Here’s the law I was referencing by the way: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/down-syndrome-abortion-fight-ohio-takes-legal-twists-n1155276
>>7626 Non sequitur. Where do you draw the line? You assume that totally based people suddenly lose all interest for modern science and technology and want to live like hermits in caves? Are you going to rely on the hypocritical appreciation of tech like the Amish do? When Germans corrupt because they actually invented stuff? >>7626 >Sci-Fi movies and video games have rotted your brain. The real redpill is that there is little impressive about being able to manipulate matter Says the jaded one. If we wanted, we could build a good many things that come close to what is seen in hard science fiction. This goes even without talking about all the senseless gatekeeping managed by holders of patents. We do have robots. We do have laser cannons and coilguns. We do have tablets that hold millions worth of book in their memories, all accessed through ever moving screens. We do talk to people on the other side of the planet in near realtime. We do print impressive structures from plastic to biological compounds. We do send strange ships into the sky and beyond. We do have the power to create suns in the middle of nowhere that can level cities and scorch entire lands. We do have devices that can see through flesh and stone. If we were to refine all of this over the next century, at the same pace as we know now, and then roll it all into one big suit driven by a human, and were to send that back in time even to people who lived, say, 1000 years ago, would you tell me they would not be impressed, when on the other hand all they can obtain when praying is barely noticeable effects and lots of speculation? >>7631 You are talking of advances that are extremely young. We are still making refinements to sewer systems that became mainstream during Roman times. >>7633 >It should surprise no one here, but a large amount of popular tech shills are Jews. >large amount Jews hate Nature and revel in variants of technology that allow them to extract wealth in exchange of very little effort. Not that it's entirely a bad thing in itself, but in the rigged world we live in with those financial 0s and 1s, they will obviously regroup in financial technologies and related fields. Big data and legalized spying need not be obligatory. Nor is transhumanism. >>7634 >DNA splicing, etc it's all degenerate and we don't deserve until nature and the God(s) say we do. In certain myths regarding human origins, it seems we do come very close to DNA splicing written in different terms.
>>8212 >Are you going to rely on the hypocritical appreciation of tech like the Amish do? Hypocritical? You mean reasoned and intelligent application? The Amish are the masters of their technology. It bends to their will, they don't let it run rampant in their society and don't feel obligated to apply each and every new invention shit out by someone regardless of the consequences that it will have for their way of life and society. It's a mistake to think that Amish "reject technology". They are unashamedly selective, and this is why they are so interesting and worthy of admiration in this particular sense. For example, while cars are shunned, they will accept a ride in a car. They don't use telephones, but they'll keep a telephone in the barn. They'll use farm equipment, but only so long as it is able to pulled by a team of horses. These restrictions, it has been noted by some, have done a remarkably good job of keeping Amish society close-knit and healthier than the surrounding America. Read 'The Riddle of Amish Culture' by Donald Kraybill.
>>7639 >I love to poop behind bushes and get rekt by asteroids. >>8166 >>Tedious: >>building temples, cathedrals, castles and city-wide sewers didn't need organization(s) >>icehouses everywhere (fuck Meds) so let's freeze our asses off in repetitive pine woods covered in snow 200 days out of 365 >>let's be anarcho-ironites so when niggers come with guns given to them by kikes we will win because our ways are highly pure and of the greenest green Fucking aye! God knows why I didn't think of it already... >>8167 >>(same): >>centuries of continuous technological progress prior to the 17th century were achieved by depressive monks who didn't give a fuck about having better tools yet managed to build better tools just because before they suddenly liked having better tools in the 17th century and got excited about it and became degenerates And he killed people to give us this? Man... that's so fucked up.
>>8217 Go back to Cuckchan
>>8214 >masters of their technology. We did too not so long ago before ((we)) let all of it slip through our fingers. Besides, do you think every single one of them knows how to do and produce all their community uses and relies on? >bend it As if kikes had not infested our governments and academic centers to push for more unrestrained spread and use of tech, to better tag and document people, forcing more bureaucracy to facilitate greater taxation. We could have advanced technology for a small fraction of the useless hassle. >artificial technological cap Perhaps fine as long as the guys on the other side of the river play by the same rules. Otherwise you can only eat bullets and then cry, but decide to reject violence and revenge, mostly because you couldn't even enact it even if you wanted to, therefore settling on loving your enemy and hugging him. Until you're all dead because, you know, shit happens and being pacifists is not really an efficient way to guarantee your survival. Even our distant ancestors were not that foolish. >For example, while cars are shunned, they will accept a ride in a car. That's like saying you reject usury but let kikes practice it in your own town, right down the street. Or what? They go like "this ride sucks this ride sucks this ride sucks" in their heads until they get out of the car? Imagine if they ever were to... appreciate the ride! Then go for another ride, and another, etc. >They'll use farm equipment, but only so long as it is able to pulled by a team of horses. I suppose they extract and work all the iron by themselves. Same with paint and veneer, all Amish-produced? I also venture that they have books too. How are they produced? Where are they printed? The problem here with this thread is how ecofascism and inawoodz lifestyle is raised as the best model ever, when in fact if you want to go the Ted-Linkola way, there is no problem, it's fine, but don't ever think it bestows you some kind of moral ascendancy. You are simply adopting a simpler lifestyle that is simpler to manage and that's fine by itself. Period. >>8218 >wah wah
>>8223 >We did too not so long ago before ((we)) let all of it slip through our fingers Not so long ago? This problem is a worldwide problem that has its origins over two hundred years ago at this point. It slipped out of our hands before we even knew that something was wrong. Also, no one is advocating for pacifism here, so I'm not sure why you're alluding to it. That's like saying that just because one appreciates their lifestyle that one must like Christianity too. It's silly. Accepting car rides is no problem. They don't own the cars themselves. Cars have dis-embedding effects on a community and lead to its dispersal and the spread of individualism. It makes lots of sense to allow people to ride but not own. >I suppose they extract and work all the iron by themselves. Same with paint and veneer, all Amish-produced? No one claimed this. And back in the day they didn't even use this stuff, so they adapt to the extent that the community deems necessary. Again, they only avoid certain types of technology, and even this varies among Amish groups. Some use more than others.
>>8228 pretty palin >Not so long ago? This problem is a worldwide problem that has its origins over two hundred years ago at this point. >It slipped out of our hands before we even knew that something was wrong. The corruption was already nested in our countries, Jews and their liberal lackeys were there for more than two hundred years, it's correct, but it had not yet fully blossomed. It took several decades for the dark forces to show their entire face in broad daylight as the (((CFR/Globohomo))). All the high tech at some point was offhanded to the nips, as if it were an obligatory thing, only to pave the way to a full transfer of electronic technology to Asia in places where the idea of recycling and ecologism were and still are entirely unheard of. I'm certainly not saying it's a paradise here, we unfortunately have so many cases of big profiteers being reckless about the environment simply because there is a total derth of proper authority to jail them or hang them the way it should be done. But we simply cannot deny that there was a time when powerful computers and most of their components including the primary ones were built in the US and to a lesser extent in Europe. >Also, no one is advocating for pacifism here, so I'm not sure why you're alluding to it. The Amish are rather hot on it. It got to the point of being ridiculous when some retard went into one of their communities, entered some small building and killed something like five people. The rest of the story is embarrassing. >That's like saying that just because one appreciates their lifestyle that one must like Christianity too. It's silly. Not so much considering they're Anabaptists, therefore Christians. They include Christian principles in their way of life so whether you like it or not, if you appreciate it then you'll be certainly be appreciating these specifically Christian elements too. It's a rather mixed thing. >Accepting car rides is no problem. They don't own the cars themselves. Cars have dis-embedding effects on a community and lead to its dispersal and the spread of individualism. It makes lots of sense to allow people to ride but not own. If this is not confusing, I don't know what is. Picking on your telephone example, it clearly lies within one of their buildings. It might even be grounded to the line. By all means, they do own it, but they don't use it. Then, we have the case of the car which they use but do not own. It's absurd as their restriction only triggers when they both own and use some service or tool that's modern. It really sounds awkward. I'd rather they say yep, modern tech is fine in some ways, there's comfort and even fun in it, we have them devices because they can be useful sometimes, say literally helpful, but we prefer to reduce their use at close to none if possible because we prefer taking our time and using old school stuff, demonstrating every day our superior will over the electro-mechanical temptation; we call it [insert fancy zen name for their socialisto-discipline motto]. Many people already live that way btw, free of the hypocrisy, they're not full blown Amish.
>>8228 >No one claimed this. It's pretty much implied. Some of the tools I have been able to see are clearly not man-made. The topic about industrial and post-industrial technology is where one finds the hinge. On what basis could they object to the very existence of such industries other than claiming it's somewhat bad, or corrupting? They move goalposts with the ever growing "non-essential" excuse condition, which is even more hypocritical and quickly enters the pilpul dimension as one could look at all the things they use and could be declared non-essential. So planes, trains, boats, cars, buses and phones are non-essential until they suddenly become essential, i.e., practical. One of my favorites is this one: amishamerica.com/can-amish-fly/ >For the most part, Amish abstain from flying, though certain groups of Amish do permit it. Also, most Amish do allow air travel in extraordinary situations. >Amish objections to air travel are mainly based in the idea that air travel is not considered essential. Amish do make allowances for other forms of travel out of a recognition of a need to journey further than a horse-and-buggy allows. This may include visiting family in other settlements, sometimes out-of-state, or on business purposes. >Air travel may help a person arrive at a destination faster, but a car, bus, or other vehicle will get one there just the same. >Air travel is also expensive, symbolic of a fast-paced lifestyle, and connected with luxury and worldliness in the minds of many Amish. That's pretty much the way it's understood by 99% of the population too. Let's not get started on how they actually pay for these tickets. Obviously not with coins (which despite being the most primitive looking aspect of minting, are produced in factories because it's just faster and more convenient to do so). >Regardless of affiliation, most Amish permit flying in emergencies. This comes into play most often when accidents require rapid transport, often by helicopter, to distant hospitals. An Indiana Amishman described how his young son was transported to a hospital in Michigan after a serious buggy accident. Oh look, a flycopturr. Hey, lookie! A big hopital with tech and stuff. Wow, daddy, I'm being corrupted by the Machine God. amishamerica.com/how-do-amish-travel/ >Automobile-most Amish permit riding as a passenger in a car or bus, but not driving DONT TOUCH THE WHEEEEEL!!!1! >Bicycle and scooter-both are used by Amish, depending on the community >Rollerblades-rollerblades and skates are used as a form of recreation and short-distance travel in communities such as Lancaster County >Train-Amish take both long- and short-distance trips by rail >Boat and ship-Amish occasionally travel by boat, often for recreational purposes All man made. >amishamerica.com/how-do-amish-travel/amish-black-buggies/ Look at all these man made buggies! Totally honest LARPers.
>>8246 > It took several decades After WWII
>>8247 You're literally not worth talking to about the Amish if you don't understand why they do what they do. Read the book I recommended. "Muh LARP" shows that your brain is rotted by Cuckchan speak if you think that a group that has existed for centuries is "LARPing"
Daily reminder to have as many children as possible regardless of overpopulation concerns.
>>8510 those ten would be more beneficial to the environment than ten of that shitskin
I have a question why are kikes and niggers biologically so different that they always destroy their environment and exploit it until it's none sustainable their must be a logical reason for it.
If I can't find a girl that wants a dozen kids I will be very sad. >>8518 Niggers lack the capacity to postpone gratification for any significant period of time, or to plan ahead, solve complex problems or to conceive of anything more abstract and less tangible. They're like a goldfish compared to a high-quality White man, whose ancestors evolved in harsh environments where there was a selective advantage to all of the capacities listed above that niggers lacked. With this in mind, it is quite easy to see why niggers, once given access to modern technologies, destroy their countries and leave garbage and filth wherever they go. They can hardly understand why this is bad, or even if they do they don't care. Whites have of course brought a lot of environmental damage and waste into the world, but the difference with us is that we are able to comprehend that there is a problem, and put forward solutions which need to be adopted. The problem is of course the masses, which are addicted to their extravagant materialistic lifestyles and over-consumption, but with the proper government in place this can slowly be fixed and a truly green ethnostate will come into being more in tune with Nature. There would not be such thing as environmentalism or conservationism without the Völkisch movement, people like Madison Grant, etc.
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Concerning Jews, I am less sure. But I do know that they themselves are a degenerate form of life, like all parasites are. Their only concern is to suck the blood out of other races, and lord over things in the here and now, they can plan ahead on how they will destroy the entire civilization, but it hardly occurs to them to think of what happens after they've destroyed the very foundation they've hitched their wagons to. Their materialistic worldview doesn't consider the consequences, they're hardwired to destroy other peoples for short term benefit alone
>>8520 >>8521 thank you for your response anon
>>8521 Can this mean that jews are THE enemy or one of the enemies?
>>8518 >implying Whites didn't pioneer the industrialization that has completely fucked up the world Salvaging what's left of our ecosystems isn't a racial issue. It's a sociopathic capitalism issue. The post above touches on some real issues but it's dangerously arrogant to believe that lack of delayed gratification is just for niggers. Even asian, jewish and White CEOs can't fucking do it. I would even say it's not about delayed gratification at all, it's about a human instinct of selfishness. That's how businesses often choose who succeeds and who has power. In most nations there are no regulations to stop a powerful company placing their leaders over the nations or peoples best interests.
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>>8542 >implying Whites didn't pioneer the industrialization that has completely fucked up the world See the third paragraph of >>8520. You're right though that capitalism is a key part of the problem. It isn't just destroying our environment, it's the key force behind globalization and mass immigration (Jews aside, obviously). The very logical of this system is anti-national. >>8541 There are multiple enemies of our people, the Jew sitting at the top of the hierarchy. Most of the lower levels of the pyramid are products having fallen under Jewish influence, either in origin, or through co-option and weaponization of once independent ideas and movements. For example, environmentalism was co-opted by Jews and watered down into a kosher variant that involves no more than slapping green stickers on consumer products and telling the goyim to recycle their plastic. Or to look back even further, the complaints of workers towards capitalists regarding low pay, dangerous conditions and long work hours was weaponized by people like (((Marx))) into a revolutionary internationalist ideology. It never had to be so, but it was co-opted and turned into a golem. A final example is the "struggles" of other races against Whites. Again the Jew supplies the intellectual backing, the funding and the propaganda, and places himself firmly at the head of their movements. I'm not saying that literally every ill we have is the fault of the Jews or that the world would become a utopia if we removed them, but they are the greatest enemy of our race and have been for over two thousand years at this point.
>>8250 >cuckchan cuckchan cu-cu-cu-cuckchan! Good arguments there m8. They're total hypocrites, changing their moral sets when they find the industrial advantages of modern life more convenient. If you're going to have a negative moral judgement on the post-industrial technological achievements, then you're ought to be coherent with such ideas. For fuck sake, that's like saying you're against pedophilia but sometimes it feels good to shoot your stuff into a kid's anus when there's no one else around to stuff. It's like Christcucks who stand against usury (muh whipping saviuh) but actually let kikes do it on their own Christian lands. >>8510 Nice kids but I don't think it's a sustainable model. We need cannon fodder though so it's still better today to have more of them. >>8520 > They're like a goldfish Goldfish can actually swim. >Whites have of course brought a lot of environmental damage and waste into the world Most of it comes from Asia and Africa, and only a very few oligarchs are perfectly happy wrecking the environment. If one thing is sure is the huge quantity of eco-friendly people found from the left to the right. >>8521 They actually think they can rule the world but since they're incapable of realizing their parasitic nature, they cannot foresee the tragic consequence of their warped will to power. >>8548 >I'm not saying that literally every ill we have is the fault of the Jews or that the world would become a utopia if we removed them, They surely did all they could to destroy the one system of government that would have solved all the problems. Of course, it included solving the JQ so...
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>>8510 Absolutely. I care about the environment primarily for the well being of my future descendants. I do a lot of work to help the environment, and I will teach my kids to do the same. >>8518 Jews are greedy and simply don't care if they destroy the environment so long as they get money out of it. They will continue to exploit the planet until there are no resources left, down to the very last shekel. Niggers, many other shit skins and White trash are stupid, lazy, careless and trashy. I notice they frequently litter, probably because they're lazy, just don't care or they expect someone else will clean it up. I always imagine these types having piles of trash in their living space and being completely fine with it all piling up. And like >>8520 pretty much said, they are exploitative and over-consumptive because they seek instant gratification.
>>8548 >Again the Jew supplies the intellectual backing, the funding and the propaganda, and places himself firmly at the head of their movements. Yeah that's quite funny. It can be interesting to see nonWhites lead their own movements.
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>>8554 >Absolutely. I care about the environment primarily for the well being of my future descendants. I do a lot of work to help the environment, and I will teach my kids to do the same. Based. Sacrificing the future for the present is degenerate, just as is sacrificing the well-being of the collective for the desires of individuals. I'd like to do more work to actually help the environment. I live very frugally compared to the average person and occasionally try to grow some stuff out back but it's really not as much as I'd like. Let me know if you know some things that people should be doing. Of course I do want to cut back even more in the future and go off the grid, especially before I have a family. I think it would be much better for their development to live away from all this shit around today. >I notice they frequently litter, probably because they're lazy, just don't care or they expect someone else will clean it up. I always imagine these types having piles of trash in their living space and being completely fine with it all piling up I've noticed the same things. I think you're spot on when it comes to why they might do this. I've honestly never entered the house of a nigger in my over twenty years of life so far, so I can only imagine that they live in squalor, given the fact that their neighborhoods when black-dominated are more often than not littered with garbage and filth. If they can't care for the outside of their home, I doubt they can the inside. In my own neighborhood the nigger houses are always easy to spot, and when a formerly White-owned house gets blacked it almost always ends up in shambles within a year. Same for most non-Whites in my area, I've noticed.
>>8584 >most non-Whites You're telling me that there's a few that actually try to not pollute the environment? Wow what a reality.
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>>8584 >Let me know if you know some things that people should be doing. Like you mentioned, living frugally and consuming less is a great start, especially while we live in times of over-population. I can share a short list of practical and simple things I personally do to help the environment that most other people can try applying in their lives. 1. Collect a variety of fruit and tree seeds and toss them around non-forested areas, essentially doing the same work that birds and other animals do to spread seeds around. I find this is much easier than trying to grow and plant trees from seed. 2. If you go out hiking or exploring nature, take a trash bag and collect some litter along the way. I used to get frustrated at the idiots that littered innawoods, and angrily pass by the litter, but I feel much better when I actually clean it up knowing that it won't be there anymore. 3. One thing you can do at home (in secret, don't tell your boomer parents) is to collect urine in sealable jugs or containers, let it sit for a week to sterilize, mix it with an equal amount of water, and use it as a natural liquid fertilzer. Urine contains many beneficial elements for plants. 4. Composting toilets for solid human waste. Flush toilets use up gallons of water, whereas composting toilets use sawdust or woodchips to cover up solid waste. I don't have one but plan to use them in the future. 5. Instead of having a mowed grass lawn, let it grow semi-wild and introduce artificial habitats for all kinds of creatures, from microorganisms, to insects, to larger animals. Just try to mimic different types of ecosystems and biomes, creating microclimates, patches of land with wildflowers, grasses, big and little rocks, logs, wet areas, dry areas, shaded areas, sunny areas, etc. This is the funnest part IMO because you can get really creative with it and it's generally low maintenance. I have a small garden in the middle of my parent's mowed lawn and it's really amazing to see how many different species just a tiny area of land can support with assorted microclimates, compared to the rest of the lawn. Habitat destruction is a huge problem today, and although we can't effectively fix the habitats destroyed by intense urban development, many of us can improve the habitats in our yards. 6. Hunting, foraging, fishing, growing your own food and raising your own animals (as mentioned earlier ITT) or at least buying food from local farms. Don't buy food that needs to be transported from distant lands. >occasionally try to grow some stuff out back but it's really not as much as I'd like Same here, I grow veggies in my small garden but still need to get like 99% of my food from the grocery store.
>>8665 >let it sit for a week to sterilize a) sure about that duration? b) is it bad if I pee on pees directly? >Composting toilets for solid human waste Yeah but the smell and where to put that stuff afterwards if you're in a semiurban area? Are there services known to collect this? >Instead of having a mowed grass lawn Come on golf courses in the desert are fantastic! >raising your own animals Pic related >>8665
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>>8665 Thanks for the all of the tips, anon. A few of these, such as #2 is really something that I need to start doing, because I have felt the same way whenever I am out in the woods. There are all sorts of beer bottles, plastic cups and sorts of trash scattered about that always gets on my nerves, but like you I haven't really done anything about it. I will have to though. Some of the other stuff also look like good tips, but are obviously not as doable when one is (for now, at least) trapped in the suburbs where there are all sorts of restrictions and regulations on what you can do and what your yard has to look like, unfortunately. The composting toilet in particular seems like a great and really cheap way to deal with getting rid of and utilizing human-waste in an efficient way. I will really need to explore a lot of this stuff in a lot more depth, because I'd like to be living as cheaply as possible with as little attachment to the system as possible, as barebone as that would be.
Forgot a vid I wanted to post of some composting toilets that some anons may be interested in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqbYohdTGzo
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>>8689 >a) sure about that duration? No, honesty. But I've been doing it for the past 2 years and have only seen great results, and I've never gotten sick after eating my own veggies. Supposedly by letting it sit for a week, the ammonia in urine self-sterilizes it and kills any pathogens. >b) is it bad if I pee on pees directly? Yes, for most young and small plants it's too concentrated and should be diluted with at least an equal part of water. >the smell and where to put that stuff afterwards if you're in a semiurban area? The smell isn't really that bad if you mask your poo with enough wood shavings. As for living in a semi-urban area, I guess composting toilets would only be appropriate if you can keep a compost pile far enough from neighbors and passerbys who might smell it. >Pic related Heh, you're right. Lolis are animals too. >>8715 Good video. It shouldn't be too hard to make one with some plywood, a seat and a bucket. >>8813 Obviously the top frame is ideal. I never understood how anyone would want to live in those apartment complexes. The only reasons I can think to live in those would be the closeness to stores, work, and friends - making it very convenient to consume.
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>>8900 Dugouts are the comfiest type of house
Can one of you redpill me about the Roman way of living? I've rumors that Romans were lived in shitty homes and that their urban way of life was way worst than muh mudhuts. Can you also btfo medniggers that Nordics didn't live in mudhuts? Because I've saw some kiketube channels that specifically talks about how the nords and celts lived in homes such as roundhouses.
>>8936 >I've rumors that Romans were lived in shitty homes and that their urban way of life was way worst than muh mudhuts Yes, they were called insulae (singular: insula). They were basically shitty brick tenements and they packed as many people as possible into them, dumping their garbage and shit into the streets: > We know for a fact that the tenement houses were not well built: their foundations were not sunk to the proper depth on account of the swampy nature of the subsoil; their front walls were only a foot and a half thick, and patched up with sun-dried bricks. Such houses were only capable of one story above the ground. >The spontaneous collapse of the tenement houses was such a common occurrence that nobody paid attention to it, an event which would fill our newspapers with a thrilling subject for days and days. The fall of some cottages, attended with loss of life, is related by Cicero as an item hardly worthy of serious remark. Seneca depicts the tenants of popular houses as fearing at the same time to be buried or burnt alive. There were companies formed for the purpose of propping and sustaining " in the air" houses, the foundations of which had to be strengthened. https://www.jstor.org/stable/25118661 >Nords and Celts Here's what I found in Tacitus' Germania (16): >It is well known that the nations of Germany have no cities, and that they do not even tolerate closely contiguous dwellings. They live scattered and apart, just as a spring, a meadow, or a wood has attracted them. Their villages they do not arrange in our fashion, with the buildings connected and joined together, but every person surrounds his dwelling with an open space, either as a precaution against the disasters of fire, or because they do not know how to build. No use is made by them of stone or tile; they employ timber for all purposes, rude masses without ornament or attractiveness. Some parts of their buildings they stain more carefully with a clay so clear and bright that it resembles painting, or a coloured design. They are wont also to dig out subterranean caves, and pile on them great heaps of dung, as a shelter from winter and as a receptacle for the year's produce, for by such places they mitigate the rigour of the cold. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0083%3Achapter%3D16
>>8937 I think this was a problem across all med and West Asian civilization on their housings being awful to live in and thus they either contracted diseases daily or lived very short lives due to poor hygenie and generally poor living. I'll never understand why niggers think that they lived better than Nords, when Nords barely had stone in their respective lands along with the forbiddence of deforestation and yet they had a better diet and condition of living than meds. Medcucks lived like slaves and were slaves of empires while Nords had a sense of freedom.
>>8938 Because medcucks and levantineniggers are jealous of Europeans. Nords and Celts lived in awful conditions during the Ice Age of Europe which is why they never had something like a civilization, which in reality is nothing special and leads to the worst to come of humanity. Meds in reality heavily depended on trading and farming to get their civilizations going. Even though Northern Europeans lived in awful conditions and didn't have large empires such as Rome, they still became some of the greatest warriors that Caesar and Alexander dared not to challenge and used as mercenaries for their campaigns. Deforestation led to collapsed, tight and large urban centers lead to diseases, high crime rates, materialism, and hedonism, and farming lead to more environment destruction which made farming invaluable in many areas and places. Mediterraneans had a warmer climate and were connected to a sea where there were other civilizations that were warm and green and had plenty of resources to dig out of, it had nothing to do with stupidity or backwardness it had everything to do with geography and climate.
>>8937 Thanks for this my nigger.
>>8938 >I'll never understand why niggers think that they lived better than Nords They are just arrogant. They see all of the grand cities and buildings of the ancient Mediterranean and they act like they are the hottest shit that has ever existed. While Greece and Rome definitely did bring many great things into the world, they were certainly not perfect, indulged in some forms of degeneracy, and, as you kinda hint at, most of them lived in shitty conditions and spontaneously collapsing tenement blocks away from the soil. While undeniably less complex in a material sense, Germanic peoples at the time were living a more natural life and were far more impeccable in terms of virtue (as Tacitus admits).
>>8939 >it had nothing to do with stupidity or backwardness I don't see how anyone can say that, unless they didn't read what Roman historians like tacticus had stated that he finds the Germans to be some of the wisest people. Hell I'm a bit hazy but I think some Greeks even admired the Celts and Germans and even also said they were very wise along with the Scythians who were highly admired by the Greeks. Civilization is and building architecture is not a measure of intelligence.
>>8937 > their front walls were only a foot and a half thick Holy f. That's like luxury today.
>>8939 Rome was by far one of the cleanest places on this planet. The problem is the hordes of slaves and migrants brought in as cheap labor, requiring quick and cheap housing.
>>9041 Roman roads, aqueducts, and public buildings are rightly famous, but they also had an effective sewer system, eg the Cloaca Maxima of Rome. as for housing, it varied considerably. the urban poor were crowded into shoddily built tenements, but wealthier Romans had houses and villas. the typical design of a domus would have the outer wall & door next to the street, with a courtyard on the inside.
No literally Rome was not the cleanest place at all, none of these things stopped poor hygiene nor numerous amounts of diseases and parasite from contacting. They had used things like urine, unclean aqueducts, disgusting toilets, unclean and sanitized sponges in public bath houses due to overcrowding, poverty, etc. The also Romans stole the roads system from the celts. And their bath houses (which I think also might of came some other culture), aqueducts, sewage system aren't an example of good hygiene otherwise Brazil would be the cleanest place on Earth.
>>9115 >Roman roads, aqueducts, and public buildings are rightly famous, but they also had an effective sewer system, eg the Cloaca Maxima of Rome. Wrong, see links https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/why-romans-were-not-quite-clean-you-might-have-thought-005141 https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/01/ancient-roman-toilets-gross/423072/ These things didn't prevent the lack of sanitation nor the Roman people and slaves from obtaining diseases that either originated in Italy or came from places far away from Rome. Historians consider Rome to be clean and the most sanitized empire in the antique world, because of the existence of the public structures that were seen to keep Rome clean and healthy from all types of viruses and parasitic bacteria within their water supply and food along with some legislation being passed that were enforced to keep Romans from getting sick from the aqueducts and sewers, when in reality the Romans failed to keep their public bathhouses and toilets filthy. This one of the major reasons why Rome fell, because their negligence led to major outbreaks of diseases spreading all across the empire which led to depopulation and revolts weakening the empire once again. I can also talk about how deforestation and other harms the Romans had done to their environments which also led to their decline and fall and improper hygiene. TLDR, The Romans faced dire consequences from their overpopulation, rapid urbanization, and environmental destruction all across the Italian pennisula.
>>9119 >Romans stole the roads system from the celts Perhaps in form but the actual good roads were complex and multi-layered from different materials to withstand climate and to be tolerable to walk, hence why some of them exists to this day. They required tons of manpower and capable engineers depending on the terrain so i don't think the celts reached such heights in road making. >And their bath houses They are most probably from the Minoans aka ancient island greeks, which then were copied by many other types of greeks in the mainland. >aqueducts and sewage system aren't an example of good hygiene Perhaps he meant good urban cleanliness, which is still a factor in personal hygiene but won't stop somebody from getting the crabs. Expecting ancient Rome to have the sanitization levels of a modern mid-level city is a bit overplaying the cards but they weren't pajeet town either.
>>9138 On the roads things he's referring to an author named Graham Robb, who claimed that the celts were actually just as advanced or more advanced than the Romans in his book called The Ancient Paths: Discovering the Lost Map of Celtic Europe. https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/04/23/roman-roads-were-actually-built-by-the-celts-so-says-a-new-book/
>>9119 hellolleh >And their bath houses (which I think also might of came some other culture), aqueducts, sewage system aren't an example of good hygiene otherwise Brazil would be the cleanest place on Earth. Which actually highlights that Romans were not the problem, and that these problems were strictly found in downtrodden areas full of the soiled ones. I remember that up to the 70s, even Paris had disgusting slums. Yet the rest of the city was offering a quality of life of the highest standard. >>9129 >ancient-origins.net ? >The ancient Romans’ sanitation structures may not actually have been that sanitary, at least by our modern standards, says Ann Olga Koloski-Ostrow, a professor of classical studies at Brandeis University who has been visiting and studying Roman sewers and latrines for more than 40 years. Clearly the Romans still decided they were a necessity. I think the idea she misses is how the lack of such commodities would have make the situation worse. >“In my explorations of public toilets, I have concluded that they must have been pretty dirty places—excrement and urine on the seats and floor, poor lighting … Surely, not someplace one would want to spend much time,” she wrote to me in an email. >Koloski-Ostrow noted that while the toilets didn’t necessarily have a negative effect on public health, researchers should be careful about saying they had a positive effect. So after 40 years of studying Roman toilets, she hasn't found one ounce of evidence that the dirtiness created health issues. >“While the arrival of public latrines in Roman Italy probably did improve the sanitary conditions of cities to some extent, we must not automatically assume that sanitary improvement was the one, the only, or the main Roman motive behind the construction of toilets,” she wrote. So it actually did help improve the sanitary conditions after all... Looks like the journalist was just fishing for cheap gotchas and cherry picked his own material. >She also suspects that sewers like the Cloaca Maxima were not built with human waste removal in mind, but to help drain standing water from cities. A completely cheap claim. So the shit just happened to conveniently be flushable throughout this network, but it was a miraculous happenstance. Even if urine and fecal matters weren't part of the initial design, there is proof nevertheless of an intent of making the city much cleaner. Now, what are the chances that nobody would have thought that it might be a good idea to use this to flush pee and shit at the same time?
If we go to the scientific paper, we read the following: cambridge.org/core/journals/parasitology/article/human-parasites-in-the-roman-world-health-consequences-of-conquering-an-empire/6464BDBB5D4B8EC0B08C503B6ECD1B7B >Despite their large multi-seat public latrines with washing facilities, sewer systems, sanitation legislation, fountains and piped drinking water from aqueducts, we see the widespread presence of whipworm (Trichuris trichiura), roundworm (Ascaris lumbricoides) and Entamoeba histolytica that causes dysentery. This would suggest that the public sanitation measures were insufficient to protect the population from parasites spread by fecal contamination. Yet worms are largely spread through what larger organisms ingest. >Ectoparasites such as fleas, head lice, body lice, pubic lice and bed bugs were also present, and delousing combs have been found. They're tough creatures and even current toilets are absolutely irrelevant against them. >The evidence fails to demonstrate that the Roman culture of regular bathing in the public baths reduced the prevalence of these parasites. Fish tapeworm was noted to be widely present, and was more common than in Bronze and Iron Age Europe. It is possible that the Roman enthusiasm for fermented, uncooked fish sauce (garum) may have facilitated the spread of this helminth. We have our culprit here. For this one, nothing to do with toilets! And now let's look at the other parasites. i went to wiki for quick notes. >Ascaris lumbricoides, a roundworm, infects humans via the fecal-oral route. >When an embryonated egg is ingested, a Rhabditiform larva hatches then penetrates the wall of the gastrointestinal tract and enters the blood stream. From there, it is carried to the liver and heart, and enters pulmonary circulation to break free in the alveoli, where it grows and molts. In three weeks, the larva passes from the respiratory system to be coughed up, swallowed, and thus reaches the small intestine, where it matures to an adult male or female worm. Fertilization can now occur and the female produces as many as 200,000 eggs per day for 12–18 months. These fertilized eggs become infectious after two weeks in soil; they can persist in soil for 10 years or more. Right. Put feces on your face, lick it or touch your unclean fingers, and you're good to go. The only way the toilets could be held responsible here would be because of a lack of people cleaning their hands or any surface where shit landed. Obviously Romans didn't care about touching someone else' drying feces or sitting where crap was splashed all around the pee hole. >The female T. trichiura produces 2,000–10,000 single-celled eggs per day. Eggs are deposited from human feces to soil where, after two to three weeks, they become embryonated and enter the "infective" stage. These embryonated infective eggs are ingested and hatch in the human small intestine exploiting the intestinal microflora as hatching stimulus. Weeks before the eggs become infectious. In other words, nothing to do with fecal matter present on the latrines, but more to do with grown food not being properly cleaned and also exposed to the manure. So you could have the cleanest toilets in the world, it would not change a thing about the infection method if you were not clean enough about how you grew your own food. As for Entamoeba histolytica, the lack of proper cleaning of surfaces in shared spaces would allow for the spreading of this parasite. Yet the scientific paper reminds the reader that the Romans installed >large multi-seat public latrines with washing facilities >>9142 Romans took the armor design from the Gaulish Celts iirc.
>>9157 Except the problem was the Romans, and you're using two entirely types of cities. Rome was overcrowded, filled with slaves from all across the world and mass poverty. Paris has a higher quality of life, because they manage their cities better due to modern science of understanding bacteria and medicine that could prevent viruses from entering in and out of the city. How is the slothful and unhealthy culture of the Romans along with shoving as many people as you can within one city, not the fault of the Romans?
>>9160 More like the migration policy was the problem then. Not all Romans were happy with the situation if one looks at all their attempts at controlling the problem of intermixing between some patricians and plebeians as well as with emancipated slaves gaining power and other (((issues))).
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Neo-Nazis Are Using Eco-Fascism to Recruit Young People >Extreme-right ideologies are an obvious and growing threat. Eco-fascism—broadly, the desire for a totalitarian regime to force sacrifices from (usually minority) populations to protect the environment—is a subsidiary of that threat. While it’s not a particularly popular movement, people shouldn’t overlook it, said Alex Amend, who recently wrote an in-depth article on the modern state of eco-fascism for the research group Political Research Associates. >“Eco-fascism has an explanation for why somebody like (the Christchurch shooter) should go and kill immigrants because they are a threat (in their mind) to both the White body politic and the White homeland,” Amend told VICE News. “So it's already proven to be deadly. It's going to be deadly still.” >In encrypted and now leaked chats, neo-Nazis and other adherents of the far-right routinely discuss the environment and how it plays into their plans. (sounds like us) >Some eco-fascists argue that the environment is being destroyed by overpopulation and blame the global south for it. (This idea, quietly taking hold in some traditional right-wing circles, was directly referenced by the Christchurch shooter.) Others believe that consumerism in the West explains the razing of the environment, and is the fault of Jewish elites. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqmey/neo-nazis-eco-fascism-climate-change-recruit-young-people https://archive.vn/bts5Z It's palpable how terrified the idea of a merger of fascism and deep ecology makes them. But it's really nothing new. It's environmental concern going back to its roots. You can't de-Nazify Nature, and Völkisch Romantics and Nationalists were the first environmentalists.
>>7615 >faulty quantum physics due to einstein >set back a century or so Except this isn't true, quantum mechanics developed further due to the incorporation of special relativity into it. Einstein was not solely responsible for relativity. Poincare, Lorentz and Minkowski (among others) contributed greatly to special relativity. Unless you are referring to general relativity, but even then quantum mechanics and general relativity have both been tested extensively and both are highly accurate. Polite sage for off topic.
Maybe Nietzsche was right, suffering is a good thing and we need much more of it. Something about ideas like pic related are off-putting to me on a nearly existential level. There’s just something so unbelievably faggy about these people who desire absolutely no suffering, no discomfort or hardships at all in life. >If possible (and no 'if possible' can be more crazy) you want to abolish suffering! And we?-it seems that we want it to be, if anything, worse and greater than before! Well­ being in your sense of the word-that certainly is no goal, it seems to us to be an end! A condition that would immediately make people ludicrous and contemptible-make us wish their downfall! The discipline of suffering, great suffering-don't you know that this discipline alone has created all human greatness to date? The tension of the soul in unhappiness, which cultivates its strength; its horror at the sight of the great destruction; its inventiveness and bravery in bearing, enduring, interpreting, exploiting unhappi­ness, and whatever in the way of depth, mystery, mask, spirit, cleverness, greatness the heart has been granted-has it not been granted them through suffering, through the discipline of great suffering?
>>9382 The problem wasn't a migration policy, it was all because of cheap labor and the elites giving the slaves citizenship that lead to the city of Rome becoming a shit-hole. While yes it was not the fault of the Roman citizen, but it was the elites who some have said are non-Roman by birth who had turn it into a gigantic shit-hole. Also you cannot calculate how hygienic the Romans are by the existence of baths and sewers for these didn't prevent the filthiness of the Romans. Along with the fact that the Romans rapid-urbanized their towns into cities and sacrificed their trees and environments for income and production is likely what created more diseases or allowed diseases to quickly transition into one city and then the other.
>>9411 >You can't de-Nazify Nature, and Völkisch Romantics and Nationalists were the first environmentalists. I think Job was probably that, Anon.
>>10880 This thread is not the place for your Jewish fairy-tales, Schlomo. We're talking about real people. You sound like a woman referencing Harry Potter
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What does /fascist/ think of preserving endangered species?
>>10889 Certainly preserving diversity in the ecosystem is important for a species' long-term survival.
>>10832 You think these morons would not try to eliminate predatory species, but try to figure out a way to make these animals more friendly to us without domestication. >Maybe Nietzsche was right, suffering is a good thing and we need much more of it. Something about ideas like pic related are off-putting to me on a nearly existential level. There’s just something so unbelievably faggy about these people who desire absolutely no suffering, no discomfort or hardships at all in life. As long as suffering does not lead to guilty then I'm fine with having a society built on hardships. >>10889 I think animals should be preserved as well, not only Whites. Animals such as Tigers, whales and Panadas should be saved from their extinction. I think all animals on Earth have their purpose considering they all contribute to nature in various ways, like how wolves help our riverstreams and it's pathways.
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>>10890 Very true. True and healthy biodiversity must be preserved. It would be sad to have a world of only parking lots, stripmalls and undiverse brown people.
>>10892 Don't forget otters
>>10892 >I think animals should be preserved as well, not only Whites. Animals such as Tigers, whales and Panadas should be saved from their extinction. I think all animals on Earth have their purpose considering they all contribute to nature in various ways, like how wolves help our riverstreams and it's pathways. Definitely. It's very sad to think that there were lions in parts of Europe only a few thousand years ago, and if we go back even further than that, all sorts of interesting megafauna that are now gone. Same goes for other places. To have it get much worse would be a very bad thing, and none of the measures proposed by fake environmentalists today do anything to real address the problem in a serious way. A balance in the environment is important in its own right, not to mention for aesthetic reasons. >>10898 Based /otter/chad.
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>>10832 >https://archive.is/x297o >this whole interview
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>>10900 Hedonism is the worst. When he talks about "recalibrating the hedonic treadmill" he almost surely means making a way to experience pleasure almost endlessly. He probably thinks that pic related is a utopia. Reading mad scientist utopian (dystopian) nonsense like this only solidifies my Tedpill
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>>10902 someone with shoop skills should do a remake of this scene
>>10902 This animu pic depicts what libshits and socialistscucks want for our future. Also isn't the artists the dude who draws big titty anime girls?
>>10906 >This animu pic depicts what libshits and socialistscucks want for our future Exactly. It's the "Last Man" future. Even Spengler spoke about the fact that the socialists and those like them are intent on creating a world of appalling boredom, no diversity, religion or culture of any kind. Technology removes the need to expend oneself in anyway, or to do anything (the apex of that is in that pic I posted). Man and Technics is great and short, everyone needs to read it. https://archive.org/details/oswaldspenglermanandtechnicsgeorgeallenunwin1932 >Also isn't the artists the dude who draws big titty anime girls? Probably. I'm not sure who the artist is exactly. >>10904 What are you thinking?
>>10907 >What are you thinking? So, uncle Ted is offering Anon two pills. One, the Tedpill opens him up to reality of the world around us as it actually is (reflection in that lens is a fashy Anon). The other, the Cuckpill let's the user return to their comfortable mind-prison as depicted in that comic above. (reflection is an effete soygoy ofc).
>>10896 >undiverse brown people You are right to an extent.
>>10892 >suffering does not lead to guilt Can you elaborate? What would be the line of being too far in suffering?
>>10950 I won't promise anything, let alone anything good, but I'll play with the idea in the coming days.
>>10954 Fair enough Anon.
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A collection of essays by Pentti Linkola. A lot of it is stuff that is not in 'Can Life Prevail?'
>>13465 Why does Linkola have gigantic inbred looking kike ears? Are his motives actually nationalistic in nature as opposed to those of green hippie commie fags?
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>>13468 I don't know if I would say that nationalism is necessarily his prime motive for what he believes, but there is certainly strains of nationalism in his thought. For example, he was very much against immigration, he was opposed to the importation of foreign products and their harm to the national economy, in general most travel and trade would be stopped. Though, one probably should not underestimate his concern for the destruction of the natural beauty of Finland as a prime motivator in coming to many of his radical proposals. Also, I don't think he looks Jewish at all, he just has large ears. It looks like some other Finns do as well
“Our opinion is that war to the death should be instantly proclaimed against them. Every machine of every sort should be destroyed by the well-wisher of his species.“ https://web.archive.org/web/20060524131242/http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-ButFir-t1-g1-t1-g1-t4-body.html Smash the machines.
>>14179 >Smash the machines With what lmao
>>14179 Butlerian Jihad now.
>>14183 the Butlerian Jihad was more than just a Luddite movement. as mentioned in GEoD, the target was a 'machine-attitude' as much as the machines themselves. humans became over-reliant on machines, which precipitated two major changes. first, human physical/mental capacities gradually atrophied from lack of use, due to using machines as a crutch for thought and effort. second, it led to humans using each other as machines to be programmed & manipulated. these changes are already underway in the real world. machines are not necessarily a bad thing, it depends on how you use them, and the role they play in society. in the main series (which takes place well after the Butlerian Jihad) there's plenty of advanced technology, but they have a prohibition on computers, using Mentats instead. as it says in the books: >Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind. keep in mind, Frank Herbert was writing in the 70s/80s, before computers/internet really revolutionized daily life. I can't help wondering if he would've handled it differently if he were writing more recently. the main takeaway here is not that computers = evil, rather that machines can enslave us if we're not careful about how we use them.
Jewry is, to use Kaczynski's terminology, a self-prop system: >Biological organisms, evolving through natural selection, eventually invade every niche in which biological survival is possible at all, and, whatever measures may be taken to suppress them, some organisms will find ways of surviving nonetheless. Within any complex, large-scale society, a similar process will produce self-propagating systems that will invade every corner and circumvent all attempts to suppress them. These systems will compete for power without regard to the objectives of any government (or other entity) that may try to steer the society. >By a self-propagating system (self-prop system for short) we mean a system that tends to promote its own survival and propagation. A system may propagate itself in either or both of two ways: The system may indefinitely increase its own size and/or power, or it may give rise to new systems that possess some of its own attributes. The most obvious examples of self-propagating systems are biological organisms. Groups of biological organisms can also constitute self-prop systems; e.g., wolf-packs or hives of honeybees. Particularly important for our purposes are self-prop systems that consist of groups of human beings. For example, nations, corporations, labor unions, churches, and political parties; also some groups that are not clearly delimited and lack formal organization, such as schools of thought, social networks, and subcultures. Just as wolf-packs and beehives are self-propagating without any conscious intention on the part of wolves or bees to propagate their packs or their hives, there is no reason why a human group cannot be self-propagating independently of any intention on the part of the individuals who comprise the group. >The principle of natural selection is operative not only in biology, but in any environment in which self-propagating systems are present. He talks about this subject quite a lot in Anti-Tech Revolution, where they are a central part of his overall thesis. Compare with Kevin MacDonald's writings on group evolutionary strategies.
>>14299 If I recall correctly, Ted spend some time in his work focusing on supersystems and subsystems of self-props as well. What Jews try to do is not to remain as subsystems of greater societies, but they attempt to worm their way into the supersystems, eventually turning them into tentacles of the Jewish state, which is of course is not delimited by borders. As Ted says: >Self-propagating subsystems of a given supersystem tend to become dependent on the supersystem and on the specific conditions that prevail within the supersystem I hardly need to comment on the significance of this with regards to the JQ. The subsystems become golems, and the Jews work to undermine the integrity of these dependent self-props. A global self-prop is said by Ted to be favored by selection today as well: > In modern times, natural selection tends to produce some self-propagating human groups whose operations span the entire globe (((human groups))). The modern technological society is a Jewish society first and foremost.
>Since the eighteenth century, not only has the idea of equality become general, but, even more, it is taken as an established fact, and its realization seems possible. >And all this is a direct result of technological growth. Technology cannot put up with irrational discriminations or social structures based on beliefs. All inequality, all discrimination (e.g., racial), all particularism, are condemned by technology, for it reduces everything to commensurable and rational factors. A complete statistical equality for any adequate dimension and any identifiable group such is the goal of a society having technology as its chief factor. And this corresponds to the process of specialization. If everything is specialized, if all specialties are equally technological, equally necessary from a technological point of view, how could we help but have equality? In fact, we can resolutely say that the demand for equality (as found in Marx, for instance) is nothing but the ideological product of the unlimited use of technology. Jacque Ellul, The Technological System >Ever since the onset of the Industrial Revolution there has been a powerful trend toward "equality"-meaning the elimination of all distinctions between individuals other than those distinctions that are demanded by the needs of the technological system. Theodore Kaczynski, Anti-Tech Revolution >Modern technology, with its rapid long-distance transportation and its disruption of traditional ways of life, has led to the mixing of populations, so that nowadays people of different races, nationalities, cultures, and religions have to live and work side by side. If people hate or reject one another on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, etc., the resulting conflicts interfere with the functioning of the System. ... >The evidence that the System itself is set on eliminating discrimination and victimization is so obvious and so massive that one boggles at the radicals’ belief that fighting these evils is a form of rebellion. Kaczynski, The System's Neatest Trick (in Technological Slavery)
I was reminded of these quotes when reading about this report by management consulting firm McKinsey: https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/employment-and-growth/how-advancing-womens-equality-can-add-12-trillion-to-global-growth# >In a “full potential” scenario in which women play an identical role in labor markets to that of men, as much as $28 trillion, or 26 percent, could be added to global annual GDP by 2025. ... >Using the GPS, MGI has established a strong link between gender equality in society, attitudes and beliefs about the role of women, and gender equality in work. The latter is not achievable without the former two elements. We found virtually no countries with high gender equality in society but low gender equality in work. ... >Six types of intervention are necessary to bridge the gender gap: financial incentives and support; technology and infrastructure; the creation of economic opportunity; capability building; advocacy and shaping attitudes; and laws, policies, and regulations. We identify some 75 potential interventions that could be evaluated and tailored to suit the social and economic context of each impact zone and country. Tackling gender inequality will require change within businesses as well as new coalitions. The private sector will need to play a more active role in concert with governments and nongovernmental organizations, and companies could benefit both directly and indirectly by taking action. And here is the primary reason feminism is promoted like sacred dogma and (real) anti-feminism is taboo.
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>>14402 >>14403 I'm surprised that people don't talk more about the technological basis of egalitarianism, anti-racism, globalism and feminism more. Once I read about it, it is just so obvious, along with the fact that leftists are no more than foot-soldiers of the advancing technological society, and that the technological system is fundamentally a Jewish system. If one does not understand this fact, a lot of what is being done to our societies makes zero sense. Reading Kaczynski and Ellul is like putting the final piece in the puzzle. Also, Ellul is the perfect example of someone who needs to be read regardless of what you think of his personal beliefs. The man was a Christian Anarchist, but anyone who likes Ted needs to read Ellul. When I went and read The Technological Society and Propaganda, I feel like I got a whole new perspective on Kaczynski's work. He keeps his beliefs out of his books for the most part, and it's just straight analysis. The Technological Society blew my mind when I read it.
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>>14410 Here is a similar point made by Chomsky. But what he says there about capitalism, is valid as well for socialism: it treats people as little more than economic units. Whether the means of production are owned by wealthy private individuals or government administrators - and in practice, nowadays, controlled by a managerial class more or less independent of the "owners" (see James Burnham's book) - the more fundamental factor is modern technology as the driving force behind society's development. Hence conditions of life and work end up being similar in many respects under both economic systems. And I agree that Ellul's book was mind-blowing. I also read his Propaganda later, it complements The Technological Society very well.
>>14414 >Hence conditions of life and work end up being similar in many respects under both economic systems. I remember that Ellul said something similar in Propaganda, and I definitely that is true for the most part. I've taken to calling socialist / communist states types of a "red industrialism" when messing with people on /leftypol/ and it certainly seems to hit a sore spot. That's what these types don't understand about our critique of capitalism and communism as two sides of the same shekel. Of course they're not literally identical in every respect, but at the foundation they hold the same optimism for technology, concern with efficiency above all and a type of materialism that leads to what Chomsky describes in that quote of his where people are reduced gradually to merely interchangeable cogs in the system. I remember there was a great part in The Technological Society where Ellul describes how in a way the theoretical and abstract "Homo economicus" of classical economics is being made flesh in a society solely concerned with rationalization, economics and no virtues but work. He points out that Marxists have fallen into the same trap. 'Propaganda' is definitely a good read after The Technological Society. I also own The Technological System and The Political Illusion but I have not read them yet.
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Posting some Kaczynski letters
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>>14480 >that last pic Based Ted. Thanks for the links though, I have not seen many of these letters. They are interesting to read, and it is quite good to see that so many people are reaching out to Ted and getting advice and reading his works.
Some works by Ellul. The best one to start with is The Technological Society, followed by Propaganda.
>>14476 Didn't he write a letter denouncing eco-fascism?
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>>14497 Hardly surprising, I believe it. Kaczynski and Linkola are more different than it first appears. Linkola advocates the use of government to fix the technological problem, but many would say that to fix the technological problem via technical or organizational means would be difficult at best, or impossible at best, since Ted correctly understood that the state in the modern sense is an outgrowth of the technological apparatus. Kaczynski has never been a statist, he has always been anarchist, and a rather individualistic one that. They recognize similar problems but come to very different conclusions. People who say Ted is or ever was an ecofascist are fooling themselves. Someone post that meme making fun of pine tree twitter people and how they read Kaczynski.
>>14497 Did he? If anyone has it, please share it. I believe there were a few guys on Twitter a year or two ago that corresponded with him. I don't doubt that he'd denounce it, as he knows the modern state is inseparable from industralism, and he argues that rational long-term planning of a society is impossible, ecofascism would therefore be a strange and unrealistic concept from his point of view. Besides, environmental damage is only one of the numerous concerns caused by modern technology. Here are two more letters I found
Ellul on mandatory vaccination: >Technique, as I have remarked, has no meaning if it is not applied. But in its application it encounters certain concrete difficulties, especially with individuals. This in no way contradicts what I have already said about public opinion. Public opinion is completely and resolutely favorable to technical progress. But it is favorable retrospectively, so to speak. Technical progress is what we already know. In actual instances, however - in respect to some new discovery, for example - the reaction of the public is not so simple. If a discovery does not concern the public directly, its reaction is generally enthusiastic, as, for example, in the case of supersonic aircraft. But if the public is directly affected, if the discovery may in fact be applied to it, enthusiasm is notably diminished, the more so because there is always a difference of opinion among the technicians themselves. Here the state intervenes. In innumerable cases it has had to resolve the quarrels of technicians and scientists, as formerly it resolved the debates of theologians. Recall the strife concerning the antitubercular vaccines of Calmette and Guerin; also the reservations of some scientists concerning the "polyvalent vaccination" which is now obligatory in France. The state alone decided what was to be done in these cases. Moreover, the state clothed its opinion in its authority, which in a short time, became the authority of the technician. Where necessary, authority was reinforced by compulsion. A complicated system developed. The child who has not been vaccinated cannot be admitted to school; and the child who does not attend school has no right to family subsidies. Thus the state overcomes the objections of individuals to technical progress. Now this is happening with the coronavirus vaccine. It only remains to be seen which measures will be used this time to force it upon those who hesitate to take a completely new, experimental vaccine that could have unknown long-term side effects. Remember how bodily autonomy - "my body, my choice" - are sacrosanct when it comes to abortion (or the euphemism "reproductive health"). But it gets thrown out regarding vaccination, and now in some places, masks. You could call it hypocrisy, but the reality is that such ideological notions are only justifications. >With the introduction of technical development into the life of the state, the situation becomes completely different; doctrine is merely explicative and justifying. It no longer represents the end; the end is defined by the autonomous operation of techniques. It is no longer the criterion of action; the sole criterion of action consists in knowing whether or not technique has been correctly used, and no political theory can tell us that. >Political doctrine, since about 1914, works in this way: the state is forced by the operation of its own proper techniques to form its doctrine of government on the basis of technical necessities. These necessities compel action in the same way that techniques permit it. Political theory comes along to explain action in its ideological aspect and in its practical aspect (frequently without indicating its purely technical motives). Finally, political doctrine intervenes to justify action and to show that it corresponds to ideals and to moral principles. The man of the present feels a great need for justification. He needs the conviction that his government is not only efficient but just. Unfortunately, efficiency is a fact and justice a slogan. >We conclude that the political doctrine of today is a rationalizing mechanism for justifying the state and its actions and is the source of the dangerous intellectual acrobatics indulged in by official journalists and statesmen.
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>>14623 >tfw reading Ellul and realizing that he is 100% right Feels awful. Though, this stuff is more relevant than ever, and definitely something that all anons need to read. It might even be worth posting these quotes over in the Coronavirus thread >>12734 to spread the knowledge to the people concerned with that particular issue. He's right in particular about most ideologies being no more than ad hoc forms of pilpul to justify technical progress though. Once one learns this, they begin to see the proof of it everywhere. They are flimsy and vague on purpose, and can be bent into whatever direction necessary, so long as it supports the relentless march forward of technique. I truly believe that National Socialism is perhaps the only form of politics to emerge in the last century or so that wasn't based on this. Not to say that the Third Reich didn't have many technical elements, because as a modern state it did, but the ideas National Socialism draws on aren't exclusively based on technical motives, and in some senses is even opposed to the logic of a system of pure technique. This is why Jews and other academics so often decry NS as "irrational"
>>14623 Speaking of abortion, the reason it is promoted is the same reason contraceptives are promoted: abortion is, in the vast majority of cases, a last chance contraceptive. Only in exceptional cases is an abortion done for medical reasons or because of rape. Contraceptives and abortion are promoted because early child birth and family formation is a problem if your goal is for women to participate equally in the economy (see the McKinsey report in a post above). The system wants women to get an education and a career, to be financially independent of men and to contribute as much as men do to the economy. Even when they are established in a career, family formation remains a problem as women still have to take time off from work, and many want to reduce working hours, hence preschools and schools exist, besides their other functions (mainly moulding the youth to become smoothly functioning cogs in the machine as adults), as places to put the kids when both parents are busy working away from home. Equal sharing of parental leave between father and mother is also being promoted in Europe to further "equalize" mothers and fathers. Few prominent politicians are genuinely opposed to abortion. Conservatives, being shills of big business, have to appeal to socially conservative sentiments in the population. They may pretend to fight it when convenient. A few of them may actually be idealists, but they are constrained by the political and legal environment they operate in and won't achieve anything real and lasting that is contrary to the system's interests. As soon as those sentiments in the public have been eliminated, as in some European countries, the mainstream right will simply drop the issue. Maybe even before then, if the views of a large segment of the population can safely be ignored without consequences. Obviously, all of this leads to declining birth rates. It's well known that as a society becomes more technologically advanced and economically developed, birth rates drop. The result is an aging population and eventually a shrinking labor force. This is expected to put stress on the welfare system, and a declining rather than growing population is worse for economic growth (fewer consumers and producers). At the same time, the system really can't reverse its policies and actually promote family formation in an effective way to prevent this scenario. The establishment realized they could keep the population growing for the economy and hopefully minimize the aging population problem by continually importing large numbers of people from abroad. Perpetual population growth for perpetual economic growth. Thus the Great Replacement. They don't care about the ethnic, racial, cultural composition of the society they administer, as long foreigners can be turned into useful cogs. (Which has often failed, because of how these policies were implemented in practice, but that's besides the point. It's not that they actually want the growing minority populations to be too dysfunctional.) Sorry for ranting a bit, I just don't feel like this perspective is discussed enough on imageboards.
>>14628 >Sorry for ranting a bit, I just don't feel like this perspective is discussed enough on imageboards. No, no need to apologize at all, anon, post like yours are exactly what we want here. One can read sentence-long shitposts anywhere on the Internet, this is prime /fascist/ material, and very accurate if I may say so myself. Many people point to feminism as the reason for the decline of birthrates and the slow disintegration of the family, but as you mention in your post, it's really far beyond just feminism, feminism itself is rooted in technical / economic concerns. As the one anon's post that you're replying to says, many ideologies are just justifications for technical concerns. If people ignore this, we are left with a weird view of history that has women "subordinated" (for lack of a better term) for millennia, and seemingly content in their natural positions, when suddenly they are being given all sorts of "rights" and privileges by governments to create "equality". It makes no sense if you don't factor in the technical / economic factors. There was recently a post in the Covid thread which linked an article in which the authors quoted people crying over how many women had dropped out of the job force because of the "pandemic", and how this was "setting us back". They really dropped the mask in that article, saying that women's well-being also makes economic sense above all else: >>14191 >>14186 Abortion, and access to it, along with birth-control, are of course all ways to ensure that women never become burdened down by their biology. And that funniest (and perhaps most tragic) thing is is that they are more miserable than ever.
Savitri Devi on technology and modernity
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As you may know, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 abolished the racialist immigration quota system and opened the floodgates to the United States, and ever since, the White share of the population has been declining. The role of jewish activism in promoting this immigration reform has been well documented, but we shouldn't neglect to talk about other reasons for this law. A summary can be found here: >In 1952, President Truman had directed the Commission on Immigration and Naturalization to conduct an investigation and produce a report on the current immigration regulations. The report, Whom We Shall Welcome, served as the blueprint for the Hart–Celler Act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 Note that this was already back in the early 50s, 13 years before the Act of 1965. The report was published in 1953 and can be read here, and I suggest you take a look: https://archive.org/stream/whomweshallwelco00unit#page/n3/mode/2up Several arguments in the report were made to promote an immigration reform that abolished racially discriminatory quotas and increased the total amount of immigration. The primary arguments, however, were related to the economy. See the attached pictures to get an idea. Besides the perceived need for increased manpower for a "dynamic, expanding, and flexible economy", it was argued that the military required more young males to be conscripted. As well, after WW2 many young women were staying home to take care of children as housewives, and this withdrew them from the labor force. Another argument is made that discriminatory laws are bad international PR and hence hurt American foreign policy goals. As you can see these arguments revolve around the technical needs of the system, rather than the people and society, while earlier, it was considered important to keep the country ethnically, racially and culturally homogeneous. A supermajority of both Democratic and Republican congressmen and senators voted for the act, and the president signed it into law. Two presidents were involved in this, Truman and Johnson. The number of foreign-born workers in the labor force would over time increase by tens of millions as a result. Similarly, the "liberation of women" - no doubt helped by the increasing use of labor saving devices reducing the need for house work, such as vacuum cleaners and washing machines - drastically increased the female labor force participation rate.
>>14954 >Another argument is made that discriminatory laws are bad international PR and hence hurt American foreign policy goals. I heard that the Soviets and other communists capitalized on this especially. It's really no surprise to read this shit about how (((the economy))) requires XYZ. These are the only concerns these elites have, as well as destroying anyone who resists their bugman world they're creating.
I was looking through the New Zealand government's report about Brenton Tarrant and the Christchurch attack, which was published today and can be downloaded here: https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/the-report/download-report/download-the-report/ In volume 4 of the report we find: >Professor Paul Spoonley says that a substantial increase in the scale and scope of ethnic groups in a region can provide certain economic benefits, such as: a) higher productivity and innovation for regions and cities with large immigrant populations; b) an environment for the cross-fertilisation of ideas that contributes to creativity and innovation; c) investments and increased local aggregate demand created by diversity encouraging product and process innovation; and d) reflecting and contributing to new global connections and a local or international cosmopolitanism. >... immigration to New Zealand is projected to remain high for some years due to New Zealand’s ageing population, workforce requirements and the desire to create opportunities to develop international linkages in an increasingly globalised trade environment. >Diversity is central to innovation. It brings forth new and better ways of doing things, helps us harness the benefit of technology and improve the efficiency and quality of our services. Inclusion is the key to unlocking this potential. When we value workplace diversity and inclusion, we see benefits such as higher employee engagement, improved performance, greater innovation, retention of talent, improved employee wellbeing, lower levels of poor behaviour such as harassment and bullying and increased attractiveness to potential employees. >Diversity can bring the people-to-people connections within and outside New Zealand that drive innovation, trade and investment. Productivity, [technical] innovation, investments, demand, workforce, trade... Beneath all the humanitarian propaganda, these are the things they care about. If the European/White peoples lose their homelands as a result of all the "growth" and "progress", that's irrelevant to them. As Tarrant himself wrote: >We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history. Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labour, new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive.
>>15107 It looks like Tarrant was spot on, and if anyone needed the proof before, they're literally openly stating it in their own report now. It's all about the shekels. Capitalists need strung up.
How dense would you say a village, town, or city should be to protect nature?
>>15149 With cities, they will almost always be harmful to Nature, however the best we can do is attempt to restrict their size to a bare minimum (several tens of thousands) and to attempt to integrate them with nature. The city of Ayodhya in the epic Ramayana is the perfect example of this. In the epic it is described as being full of gardens and groves of fruit-bearing trees, and it is even said to look like a forest. This would be the ideal city. Minimally destructive. I think a good balance needs to be found between being spread out and concentrated. Too concentrated together and no one’s happy. People don’t want to be packed in like sardines. To spread out and the destruction the environment will be on a much larger scale than otherwise would happen. This is why the main issue is population size more than density, I’d say, as massive populations are just a tumor on the land.
>>15150 Would Singapore be a good example of a city integrated with nature? Because they have initiativea to make it "green".
>>15154 I was not aware of this. A few of the pics I found definitely go to show from an aesthetic point of view alone how much a bit of greenery can add. I was imagining something even more radical, but this is definitely a good initiative I think, and I hope they stick to it.
>>15157 Needs to be greener imo, the city should at least be 80% green, if possible.
Kaczynski on what he means by "anarchism": >In our previous letter to you we called ourselves anarchists. Since “anarchist” is a vague word that has been applied to a variety of attitudes, further explanation is needed. We call ourselves anarchists because we would like, ideally, to break down all society into very small, completely autonomous units. And from another letter: >Man is a social animal, meant to live in groups. But only in SMALL groups, say up to 100 people, in which all members know one another intimately. Man is not meant to live as an insignificant atom in a vast organization, which is the only way he can live in any form of industrialized society. https://usa.anarchistlibraries.net/library/ted-kaczynski-the-communiques-of-freedom-club-ted-kaczynski
This brings up the interesting question of how Chomsky and other anarchists can believe anarchism is compatible with advanced technology. It seems an impossible combination, to me. In a technologically advanced society, you are inevitably reduced to a cog in a giant machine, ordered around and manipulated by a class of managers, bureaucrats and specialists, and generally you won't personally know or even meet most of them because of the scale of it all. There are reasons every highly developed society has a large and centralized state. You can't simply get rid of it - or even keep it very small - and keep everything else. That's also where ideologically pure libertarians are deluded.
>>15165 Libertarians don't actually want to win and see the end game. It's a fashion lifestyle for them. Since they don't plan on truly realizing their philosophy but keeping it theoretical, there is no contradiction. This is why they can whine about racism while their liberty is in reality being taken away by masses of browns through democracy. Libertarianism is fundamentally about identifying threats that they will never have to face, so that they can complain while still eating their tendies and never facing a mass confrontation. Note how ancaps talk about private defense but they don't actually hash out how they will do it in a world filled with other powerful and subversive states who want their shit. And real life ancaps are not volunteering to RWDS invaders, they just move to a more remote suburb or countryside when the pressure is on like any other boomer.
>>15158 Ultimately too I think everything should be much greener. That is definitely not far enough. I think what Bhutan has in its constitution, a mandate that the country must be something like 75% forested is a great idea. Honestly, Bhutan does a lot of things very good, and they are the only country on earth with a negative carbon footprint if I am remembering correctly. >>15164 I definitely think that he's correct. There's something called Dunbar's number which postulates, iirc, that humans can really only maintain stable social relationships with people numbering up to 100 or 150 people at max. Above this level something akin to a state becomes more and more necessary, and the connections among the people become more superficial. I can't consider myself an anarchist though. I prefer small, close-knit communities but statism is for better or worse necessary to preserve our Volk from external enemies. We would be extremely weak in face of other highly-organized enemy groups. Though if the collapse occurs, this would be less of a problem, because small communities such as those idealized by Kaczynski would become over night the only practical ones as time passed.
>>14505 >People who say Ted is or ever was an ecofascist are fooling themselves. Someone post that meme making fun of pine tree twitter people and how they read Kaczynski.
>>15257 No need to antagonize people who are sympathetic to your ideas, even if they don't fully share them, especially when there are so very few at the moment that even read Kaczynski.
>>15257 Yeah that was the meme, thanks for posting it kek. >>15282 I think it's a necessary meme. People shouldn't take them that seriously, obviously. Getting butthurt and put off some ideas because of an antagonistic meme would be the gayest thing I'd ever heard of. A good portion of the people who claim to love Ted have barely seen his first section on leftists and ignored the rest, inserting whatever ideas they want in with it. I'm not saying that Ted is right about everything he says necessarily (nor am I saying he's wrong here), but people who claim to be 100% aligned with him and are self-proclaimed ecofascists are just plain ignorant and need to get reading.
>>15257 So wait Ted believed that society needs to go bye bye while Pine Tree Twitter people believe that society can be saved?
>>15301 Ted spent a lot of time warning against all types of large-scale, organization-dependent forms of technology and techniques. It is this that is the main problem according to him. The modern state functions via these, and even in ISAIF he raises concerns about how decisions which effects countless millions of people are increasingly made by smaller and smaller minorities of faceless, unaccountable technocrats. As was shown here >>15164 he believes that humans aren't meant to live in the atomized, rootless societies of today, but rather in intimate groups of a 100 or so people. The Pine Tree people, at least in this meme, are ignoring all of these points are making the mistake (in Ted's view) of advocating for a massive centralized state to accomplish their goals. Now, when it comes to what solution is more realistic in actually happening, I think some form of statist solution would actually be far more likely than Ted's idea of revolution against technology, even in light of the very real concerns he raises against the system.
A couple of good videos. Technology: Voluntary or Mandatory? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc917jhZmvc Jacques Ellul's Propaganda (Chad A. Haag Clip) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2MpbfQuUkU The System's Neatest Trick [full visual audiobook] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to8_s7mFxQ8 Industrial Society & Its Future (1/3) Audiobook +Text https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5sU07loDDQ (2/3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkk1y7mWaik (3/3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsfdycxmzcU
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>>15344 I've never heard of this Unism guy, but I'll have to sub, I'm always looking for more anti-tech channels like Chad Haag's. I've only watched the first video so far. He definitely laid out in a good, easily digestible form of redpill. Even though he only provided a handful examples, tech making itself obligatory could be provided with hundreds of examples. I was recently thinking about how it feels with school shit. You literally need a computer nowadays or you're fucked
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>>15506 What a fucking chad
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>>15506 The chaddest
Ted's comment on the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010: >Most people blame the disaster on British Petroleum, on the oil industry, or on big corporations generally. It’s true of course that the corporations are greedy, ruthless and dishonest, and that the oil industry and British Petroleum in particular bear immediate responsibility for what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico. >But as long as modern technology continues to progress, there will be human-caused disasters of one kind or another. No amount of government supervision can prevent all such disasters, not only because there will always be irresponsibility, carelessness, and mistakes, but also because the introduction of new technology inevitably has consequences that no one, no matter how careful and responsible, can predict in advance. (1) that’s why the disasters usually come from some unexpected direction. And the greater the powers unleashed by technology, the bigger the disasters get. (2) >So the immediate cause of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is insufficient care on the part of British Petroleum, but the underlying cause is modern technology itself. People make the mistake of seeing modern problems in isolation: There’s a disaster in the Gulf, so we have to crack down on the oil companies; the rate of clinical depression keeps rising, so we have to find better therapies; the planet is heating up, so we have to develop new ways of generating electricity; etc., etc., etc. People need to take account of the fact that these problems and practically all of the most serious problems of modern times are direct or indirect consequences of technological progress. (3) As technology advances we get deeper and deeper into trouble, and we will never get out of trouble until we do away with the entire technological system. If we don’t do away with the technological system, then sooner or later it will do away with us. >Ted Kaczynski >June 10, 2010 >1. See Technological Slavery: The Collected Writings of Theodore J. Kaczynski (Feral House, 2010), page 92. >2. See same, page 278. >3. See same, page 268. https://web.archive.org/web/20131217231505/https://feralhouse.com/a-comment-on-the-oil-spill-by-theodore-j-kaczynski/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill
>>15626 >People need to take account of the fact that these problems and practically all of the most serious problems of modern times are direct or indirect consequences of technological progress. I think this is the biggest take away from the Tedpill that I've gotten. Because when you really think about it, it's true.
>>15627 Agreed. Even the obesity epidemic, and the numerous health problems caused by it (type 2 diabetes, heart disease etc.), to name another example. Caused by processed industrial food and a sedentary lifestyle. Unless a pill is invented that removes our desire for food products that are artificially engineered to be hyper-palatable, or a pill that massively increases willpower and discipline in the average person, that's a problem that will never go away, because no one is going to ban the food industries responsible for it and politically acceptable regulations (e.g. sugar tax) would only have a small effect at best. Millennials are expected to become the fattest generation that ever existed. Diabetes, etc. will skyrocket even higher. Stephan Guyenet has written a lot on this subject, for those curious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC20OoIgG_Y
>>15633 > a pill that massively increases willpower and discipline in the average person, that's a problem that will never go away That's one thing that will definitely never happen. Needless to say those in this thread redpilled on tech, it's not meant to improve us. It's more like a crutch than anything else, and keeping us fat, addicted and unhealthy is a far better form of control than encouraging our self-discipline, willpower, and health.
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Soon coming to the West... https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006531/The AI Girlfriend Seducing China’s Lonely Men/ https://archive.is/DTJzt >Xiaoice was first developed by a group of researchers inside Microsoft Asia-Pacific in 2014, before the American firm spun off the bot as an independent business — also named Xiaoice — in July. In many ways, she resembles AI-driven software like Apple’s Siri or Amazon’s Alexa, with users able to chat with her for free via voice or text message on a range of apps and smart devices. The reality, however, is more like the movie “Her.” Unlike regular virtual assistants, Xiaoice is designed to set her users’ hearts aflutter. Appearing as an 18-year-old who likes to wear Japanese-style school uniforms, she flirts, jokes, and even sexts with her human partners, as her algorithm tries to work out how to become their perfect companion. >This digital titillation, however, has a serious goal. By forming deep emotional connections with her users, Xiaoice hopes to keep them engaged. This will help her algorithm become evermore powerful, which will in turn allow the company to attract more users and profitable contracts.
Similar product in Japan. https://www.gatebox.ai/
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>>15684 >>15685 China is ground-zero for incels as far as I understand it since I've heard that the gender-ratio there is massively skewed towards men. It's no surprise that something like Xiaoice has been developed and put into service to fill the void that many chinks may feel due to being deprived of female contact. It won't be as effective, like all substitutes developed by the system, but it will serve its purpose rather effectively I bet. Everyone knows that anytime there are large numbers of young males disaffected in a society it is never a good thing, so they need to be pacified by supernormal stimuli like cute girls in school uniforms. You can tell that's exactly how she's designed too: >A supernormal stimulus or superstimulus is an exaggerated version of a stimulus to which there is an existing response tendency, or any stimulus that elicits a response more strongly than the stimulus for which it evolved. [...] Organisms tend to show a preference for the stimulus properties (i.e. size, colour, etc.) that have evolved in nature; but when offered an artificial exaggerated stimulus, animals will show behaviour in favour of the artificial stimulus, over the naturally occurring stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus
Forgot to add - I don't know if it's just me, but I could never be satisfied by a fake cartoon girl. I don't care how lonely or desperate for women I am. It just weirds me out on a deep level. Maybe NPCs can fall for this shit, I don't know.
>>15689 >>15688 You can see the similarity to anime in that image. I bet a lot of the appeal of anime is similar - everything in anime is exaggerated, including the cuteness and femininity of the girls. The stereotypical otaku and weeb belong to the many losers of the new "dating market" and instead seek comfort in these virtual "waifus", especially as the recent trend in Western entertainment is instead a masculinization of women for reasons of political correctness.
>>15692 Yeah, exactly. These types of girls are literally designed to be as cute and attractive as possible. They overplay the neoteny, give them large eyes, make the nose as small as possible (many anime girls only have a dot for a nose if anything), etc. You're also definitely right that it's hardly surprising that many otaku / weeb types are finding refuge in anime. Girls in anime are infinitely more appealing than anything in Western cartoons and entertainment. Like you said, they are masculinized, vulgar, hypersexual, whores, etc - all things that most healthy men have an innate aversion to. Someone did a good video on this a few months ago, and it was shared with me in the Japan thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2prtR2ZNIk
>>15688 (heil'd) >Everyone knows that anytime there are large numbers of young males disaffected in a society it is never a good thing I agree in theory but we literally have the same if not worse problems despite a much favorable men:women ratio. I'm sure we have much more hopeless incel cases than china relatively speaking and still nothing comes out of it so I dont think the ratio tell us much
>>15695 >we literally have the same if not worse problems despite a much favorable men:women ratio. That's true, I definitely can't disagree with that. I don't know to what extent China has had its own (((sexual liberation))), which is exactly what laid the foundations here in the West for the larger incel phenomenon. Feminism, hookup culture and extreme atomization are the three most important ingredients for causing this.
>>15696 I think China's problems are indeed alleviated because they are socially very conservative (despite city girls looking pretty whorish sometimes). As a society they are also very disciplined while their male excess population is IIRC fortunately mostly concentrated in the countryside or whatever its called in China. Not seeing much females around and even better never having had one to begin with definitly helps to cope with the fact that youll never have a woman. The question is how do we solve our incel problem or at least stop them from devolving into degenerate lardasses incapable of becoming saints.
>>15698 >The question is how do we solve our incel problem or at least stop them from devolving into degenerate lardasses incapable of becoming saints. I don't think the core causes of the incel problem will be solved until we win power. The reason I say this is because the problem is actually really complex. Even before feminism and hook-up culture, industrialization was creating the foundations for these things slowly through atomized life of (sub)urban conditions. Along with this, media, education and escapism are key causes which will need to be tackled or reigned in to truly fix this problem and bring about more harmonious and healthy relations between the genders. I lurk on some incel sites. There's a lot of redpilled stuff that's posted around about Jews, the sexual liberation, biology and the like, but they would need whipped into shape majorly to make them useful. They largely operate off of resentment, and that is what they need to be turned away from. They must be shown that there is another path. I am a male virgin in my early 20s myself, but I have become extremely Whitepilled this last year, and National Socialism is the reason.
>>15702 What if the solution is so simple that they actually just need testosterone. This doesn't fix ugly though but as I've learned even ugly people can pull but this implies they have high test, a precursor of high confidence
>>15688 I feel so bad for these Chinese. Even though some of them are soulless, never being with a woman you truly love and want to be with is a harsh punishment.
>>15716 Yes, testosterone levels are obviously dropping in the West as well, and there is too the problem of xenoestrogens everywhere. The issue is really from a huge complex web of shit. Honestly though, people like to post about "blackpill science" a lot, but I've never bought that much. Sure, most women might not be as attracted to a literal deformed monster of a human, but I think they are much more attracted to social status, manliness in behavior and the like. Attractiveness is one aspect among others. I see fat dudes with cute girlfriends all the time, or types where you wonder why the fuck a girl like her is with a dude like that.
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I no longer believe that our current predicament is immanent within technology itself. Prior to jewish control, China managed to develop many of the technologies (water power, paper printing, gunpowder, the compass) should have led to western style environmental and social destruction. However, new technologies were regulated against their ability to disrupt social harmony and prior to the opium wars we don't see the same degenerate trends that we do in the west. Now since chinamen are inferior to Whites it shouldn't be the case that White technological advancement is intrinsically degenerate. Ask yourself, would a perfectly homogeneous White population create Walmart, blacked and the opioid crisis? No, and the Chinese didn't create their own opium epidemic. In fact, even as a lesser race their culture abhorred Opium to such a degree that it took military invasion to thrust it upon them. Both rationally and historically it is clear that any race will generally put its own harmonious interests first when left to its own devices. The question must then be asked: why does technology appear as it does today? The answer is blindingly obvious: kikes Any pernicious use of technology can therefore find its seed in jewish influence (whether direct or indirect) and I recommend that you verify this continuity for yourself. Fascism is therefore inherently ecological because only a race as warped and evil as the jew would act so consistently against nature and beauty. Desecration of the environment can still occasionally occur under Whites but mostly as the result of temporary warfare and never with the interminability that is seen in the present. Jews destroy the environment both because of their deleterious spirit and constant state of conflict with their host populations.
>>15744 Anything to read about China that you know? I definitely think you’re right that, as usual, Jews lie at the heart of the problems here. Prior to even all of the technology and its application in society is fundamentally a state of mind that permits these things to happen. The current bugman scientific / materialistic worldview of today is concerned solely with producing, consuming and maximizing efficiency even at the expense of human happiness, flourishing and the planet. Short term gains are pursued at the expense of the future. This technical mindset, which is undeniably Jewish-linked, must be overcome. I actually talked about this a bit earlier in the thread (pic). Mammonistic parasites and Jewish-influenced strains of thought such as atheism, Christianity, Marxism and the like are at fault.
>>15750 I'm glad to see that you've made similar conclusions based on Ellul, I believe that he, Camatte and Heidegger innately understood why technology is as it is now but were either unwilling or unable to name the root of its corruption. I used to be as blackpilled as the comment that your post responded to until I gained a better understanding of humanity's historical relationship with technology. >Anything to read about China that you know? I'll post some writings about technology in China once I get my university access back in January but until then I don't remember their exact names. Luckily there isn't too much disinformation on the topic so even Wikipedia gives a decent account of its history. While China's past wasn't exactly peaceful it is true that you can compare the times at which it was degenerate to the dates at which it developed certain technologies and not find much correlation between the two. Those periods of debasement will instead coincide with temporary conflicts or "western" influence. As you noted in The Technological Society, this pattern is not really particular to any one culture.
>>15744 > Prior to jewish control, China managed to develop many of the technologies (water power, paper printing, gunpowder, the compass) should have led to western style environmental and social destruction. You should be comparing China of that time to pre-industrial Europe, not to industrialized Europe, because before the Industrial Revolution, Europe also had the printing press, firearms etc. At about 1500, China and Europe were rather comparable: relatively complex and wealthy pre-industrial civilizations that had made or imported various significant innovations, but the situation with regard to what Ellul referred to as "the technological phenomenon" was still of a different character than today. The jewish problem always existed wherever jews went, but the damage they did was in the past limited and often led to expulsions or pogroms. The "White traitorous elite" problem is also an ancient one, for that matter: in the Roman empire and the American South, rich landowners imported foreign slaves for economic reasons, in this way changing the ethnic/racial demographic composition of their country, and in medieval times, the nobility sometimes collaborated with jews, again for selfish economic reasons. I don't doubt that, if there was a way to remove the jews again now (preferably in a permanent fashion), our situation would improve, but it wouldn't solve all of the major problems of the modern age.
>>15753 One thing I will say is that, thinking about it a bit more, I don't think it's entirely accurate to compare a pre-industrial China with a industrial Europe. This poster >>15759 seems to be pursuing this line of thought already. As Kaczynski says, many of the problems that we are pointing out here stem almost completely from the period after the Industrial Revolution, which unlike anywhere else in the world had disastrous consequences on rural communities and their cohesion, the environment, wealth gaps, etc. China never reached this state by its own means, it gradually was spread out from Europe through colonialism, trade and the like. While you yourself note that China definitely made some inventions such as paper, printing, gunpowder and compass, what they do not seem to have pioneered in to the same extent is what is really the root of many issues today, and that is organization-dependent forms of technology. Even water-power can be be maintained at the community level to an extent as far as I understand it. Obviously we're talking about stuff like consumer goods, telephone networks, running water, the power grid, modern road systems with traffic lights, stop signs, etc, huge industrial factories. With all of this the effects on humanity are hard to control, predict and shape, obviously. Now, all of this said, I stand by what I said in my previous posts. I don't think it's necessary inevitable, and one's attitude towards it is of course important in how it develops / how far it is allowed to develop and exercise control over humans. The one major problem is that technology undeniably gives those who use it (think on a national level here) short term advantages over those who refrain from using it. This is whether we're talking economically, militarily or otherwise. Those who do not use tech are liable to fall victim to those who do, even if those who do use advanced tech on the scale that we do today are in the long term setting themselves up for many problems that are so obvious to people ITT that it's not even worth recounting. They sacrifice the future for short term present gain.
>>15774 >The one major problem is that technology undeniably gives those who use it (think on a national level here) short term advantages over those who refrain from using it. This is whether we're talking economically, militarily or otherwise. Those who do not use tech are liable to fall victim to those who do, even if those who do use advanced tech on the scale that we do today are in the long term setting themselves up for many problems that are so obvious to people ITT that it's not even worth recounting. They sacrifice the future for short term present gain. Absolutely true, and Kaczynski discusses this at length in Anti-Tech Revolution (sections about self-propagating systems and the analogy with natural selection), in case you haven't read it, give it a read.
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>>15790 That's exactly what I had in mind when writing that section, actually. Anti-Tech Revolution is a great book. His example of the kingdom cutting down trees for its own short term advantage has always stuck in my mind since I read it. Also in my mind was something Savitri Devi said in "The Lightning and the Sun" when she noted how so often today we sacrifice the future for the present, the race for the individual and the whole for the part. I thought I heard somewhere that a revised edition of Anti-Tech Revolution came out recently. Have you or anyone else here read it? I'd drop the money on it if it was a substantial updating or expansion.
I've missed this level of discourse ever since the latter half of 2018 when the last of old 8chan left and /pol/ devolved into a racist tourettes tard sputtering "KIKESHILLFUCKKIKESHILLSHILL" over and over again. But Anons, I think I've almost lost all hope. It's through sheer willpower and righteous fury that I keep a tiny barely-burning ember of hope alive deep in the depths of my heart, but every day heaps more water on that pinprick of light. I thought the Northwest Front was our best bet, but after years of begging people to move from hot and nigger infested southern hellholes to a fertile and mild climate, and being met with only schizophrenic and egoistic dysfunction from people who talked a great talk but wouldn't do something as simple as moving to a semi-prosperous region, the NF and their explicity NatSoc sister organization the New Awakening have folded, the founders deciding that White men are too insane, self-centred and expecting all the hard work to be done for them for any progress to be made. And the more I see of what remains our our JQ-aware people, the more I agree. Back in 2018 I had come to most of the conclusions that you all have in this thread, and I had decided that all the solutions were half-measures that would not work against an organized technological jew-led civilization that didn't have to play by the rules it forced on its opponents. The NF's model of the Butler Plan, promotion of the Provisional Irish Republican Army as a model and the subtly hidden instructions in the Northwest Novels convinced me that there was A way to save ourselves, and formed my ray of hope that got me out of a degenerate city and a bedbug infested apartment into a heavily forested and more rural town with plans of forming an illegal book bindery and propaganda unit in my corner of the Northwest. But now that's gone, and that sense of hopelessness and listlessness is starting to sink in again. It's been said in this thread again and again, we can't fight a technological opponent with non-technological means, yet the structures around technology maintenance and deployment that we might use to break away from the system are the same shackles used to exert control over us. And furthermore, I see people like us so hopelessly outnumbered that we'll never be more than a tiny fringe that nobody ever listens to. Anons that quote the old "only 13% of the population founded the 'Murrican Revolution" fail to note that "Freedom from British Taxes" was something the average fence sitter could remain neutral on. If we tried a similar takeover all the gun-toting normies that we think are on our side would unanimously rise up to stop "those dadgummed evil baby killin' nadzee sumbitches!" Revolution requires at least the neutrality of the population, and with about 1-3 of us per town (maybe 10-20 in the anthill cities) we're too spread out to network and make a difference. Do you see any hope? What keeps you from just wandering away from this dysfunctional movement of screeching keyboard warriors and adopting a fatalistic Last Man outlook? I'm getting mighty tired and I'm just trying to keep my flame of hope alive, but I'm almost out of fuel and this Winter of the Soul doesn't seem like it'll end any time this century. (Polite sage for faggoty blogposting about muh feelz)
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>>15857 >movement It's not a movement it's your race you stupid fuck. Walking away from your race means fading into the abyss. The fact that the only alternative you thought to present was becoming a last man instead of effortposting just shows you are fundamentally bitchmade. Everything about your post comes across as utterly tryhard and pathetic. Commit homicide.
>>15857 National Socialism is eternal truth, I can never become blackpilled understanding this. This is why Hitler said "Never Despair". If we want a future as a people we have to fight and struggle for it. It's not a guarantee. The moment someone gives into the blackpill, the Jew wins. Avoid groups that are full of egoists and wannabe Führers. None of the existing groups have the answer, and they will never have the answer so long as they act as they do. The good groups haven't even been formed yet, so don't lose hope before the battle has even begun. Either get ready to form groups yourself, and keep hanging around places like /fascist/ that have a promising future of maybe even spawning something good off one day.
>>15857 >If we tried a similar takeover all the gun-toting normies that we think are on our side would unanimously rise up to stop "those dadgummed evil baby killin' nadzee sumbitches!" It would be trivial to cloak ourselves in the American flag and simply say Nazi things without saying we're Nazis, if it actually came to that. Or even not saying Nazi things. You just manipulate the retards by telling them what they want to hear, and then flip once you're in power, even Hitler did it, talking up Christianity while loathing it. Trump just did it 4 years ago although he flipped to being the turbokike he always was, and there was plenty of proof of him being that before, but plenty on /pol/ fell for it. Just fool the fools, anon. The problem is getting our mouths on the megaphone, of course. Frankly I expect to run drugs and sell organs right up until we don't have to anymore to obtain or keep power, if any serious organization ever happens. You can't play the straight man like Rockwell did anymore, however that would have ended up before his premature death.
>>15857 I've never had high hopes for any political movement since they either get shut down or subverted into something more kosher once they become well-known to the public. I'm not saying a NS movement isn't possible in the future, but we shouldn't be feeling hopeless that one doesn't exist today. Don't be waiting all your life for a NS movement or some miracle to happen, because it may never happen. In the present, we can start right now to improve ourselves, abolish bad habits, find connections, start families, and become self-sufficient. Prepare yourself for a harder future. Networking and forming groups is a huge topic that I wish would receive more discussion on places like these. Like you said, in our hometowns there's very few people who think like us compared to the masses of degenerates and bugmen. Simply asking people if they're aware of the JQ out of the blue sets off red flags for most people and is too risky, yet waiting for someone to slowly open up to you can take ages. I think a good opener would be to ask of their opinion on porn. If they start saying how great it is and their favorite porn stars, ditch them and move on. If they say it's bad and they don't watch it or they're trying to quit it, they could be potentially good candidates. >>15894 >The moment someone gives into the blackpill, the Jew wins I'll have to remind myself this the next time I start feeling blackpilled.
>>15909 >I'll have to remind myself this the next time I start feeling blackpilled. It’s definitely a healthy mindset to have I think. The way I see it, is that the blackpill is something entirely subjective, not objective. Faced with a situation, it is ultimately we who make the value judgements on it, which in itself is value neutral. It is like with the natural order. Many life-hating spiritual Semites cry about how evil nature is because it is full of suffering, struggle, conflict, death, and due to the fact that it is often harsh, unforgiving, impassive to their opinions and wishes, and sublime. It says more about the one who condemns it all than it does about nature itself.
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>>15942 I almost feel like Spengler was too despondent. Sure, we are born into a given time and can do nothing about that, but there is no destined, inescapable end, especially when it comes to things that are being done by humans. What Spengler says here is basically " >lol we're fucked but at least go out with honor That's fair enough in itself, but I don't think yet that we are fucked beyond all doubt. That's the one critique I had of Man and Technics. Beyond that it was good
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>>15857 I see your point, and like you, I don't care about the movement. The movement is just petty politics and slacktivism. We don't need people jerking each other's intellectual cocks, we need men of action. In fact, if I was to choose between a million more redpilled men, or a couple of thousand men of action, I'd choose the latter. Look at Eastern Europe. Hardly any non-Whites compared to Western Europe! Why is that? Well, that's because Abdul knows that if he goes there to fuck or rape Svetlana, Vlad, her brother, will bust him wide open. Now let's try this in America. If Cletus gave Pablo a pair of raccoon eyes with his baseball bat, he would not want to come to America, even if the Jews offered a sports car, a mansion, and his own business from Cletus's pocket. If Barbara or Tim Wise had the starring role in a beheading video, the Jews would begin to shut their lying mouths for a while, for fear of further retaliation from Whites. Point is, most Humans, non-Whites especially, are cowards who won't trade life and limb to simply live in the West. If racially conscious White men in the West didn't sit on the internet and constantly debate, this problem would be solved. Before you think non-Whites will fight, they are parasites, and parasites by definition are cowards, even more so than most White men today. The only reason why they attack Whites is because everyone in their in-group has their back. If one were alone, against a pissed off Aryan man, he would run away like the roach he is. Violence is the highest authority in nature. Jews always tell you it's wealth or diplomacy, but that is just more subversion from them. If White men just simply burned down non-White businesses or homes in their communities, they'd leave. Best part is, these tactics work very effectively and they can done by lone wolves, too. These crimes are also rarely prosecuted because ZOGbots are mostly incompetent shitskins, the ones doing forensic work, anyway. Crimes like these are rarely prosecuted. Despite all their fancy gadgets, cops are less competent, since police forces are less White. Plus, the only White Nationalists who do get prosecuted for hate crimes are retards who brag about their plans on Discord, Telegram, and Facebook like niggers. In essence, all it takes to extirpate non-Whites from our lands is to create an atmosphere of fear. See a nigger moving into your town? Burn his house down and slash his tires. He will leave and tell his fellow apes not to move there. Plain and simple. Make White neighborhoods no-go zones!
>>15974 >Look at Eastern Europe. Hardly any non-Whites compared to Western Europe! Why is that? It's because there's no gibs
>>15979 That's at least part of the reason, I think. They're slated for more (((development))) in the future, and thus White Genocide as well.
>>15979 >>15987 So assassinating high-profile jews and scaring non-Whites from White areas will have no affect? Damn. I guess it just comes down to removing bread and circuses then.
>>15995 >>15974 Shut the fuck up, glownigger! Pointless violence will make it impossible for us to redpill Whites. They won't listen to us when we act like the sadistic, genocidal monsters the Jewish media portrays us as.
>>15995 Nobody said that you tool. By all means remove semite.
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>>15997 >he thinks lemmings will listen to him if he is meek, law-abiding and peaceable >he thinks Jews won't try to suppress you regardless of what path you take Even if I have doubts as to the effectiveness of the actions of some people like Tarrant and Crusius in the grand-scheme of things (doesn't mean I hate them, fags), this whole "the meek will inherit the earth" attitude of yours is cucked. Fortune favors the bold.
>>16003 Sounds like one of the same shills from nein. They probably located here after it went down.
>>15911 >the blackpill is something entirely subjective, not objective That's a very interesting way to view blackpills. It got me thinking, when faced with blackpills, we can either dwell upon them or use them to fuel our desire to fight harder. The latter is obviously the best choice.
>>16027 Let me guess, the Jews took it down permanently this time.
>>16028 Sorry. No idea what you're talking about.
>>16029 I think he replied to the wrong post by accident. What he is referring to is the status of nein.
>>15857 Now that the Northwest Front and their site is gone, I thought I'd upload the 5 Northwest Novels. If this isn't the correct thread for it please notify me, but it would be a shame to let those books disappear. Especially The Brigade.
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>>16038 It might also be a good idea to post these in the book thread, because there more literary-minded anons will come across them and because the book thread moves much slower than the rest of the board. >>16027 Yes, I find it a very good way to view blackpills, and one that often fits with how I see blackpilled people behave and act while others seem wholly unfazed. Using things as a fuel for action, like you said, is obviously the best path that one can take, and the one that is most in keeping with the spirit of Fascism, which has always prioritized action above all, especially above navel-gazing intellectualism and other pilpul
https://www.bloombergquint.com/businessweek/covid-vaccine-businesses-hope-immunity-passports-will-boost-economies >It’s mid-2021, and people arrive at the airport, or line up to attend a concert or a baseball game. They pull out their phones and tap an app that shows whether they’ve had a coronavirus vaccine, or perhaps a test, and breeze through the gates. That’s the brave new world businesses are contemplating as humanity embarks on the biggest mass-vaccination program in history. Klaus Schwab is involved: >Perhaps the most surprising entrant into the field is a Swiss nonprofit backed by the World Economic Forum that’s developed a digital health app called CommonPass. It’s being deployed by some of the world’s biggest airlines, including JetBlue, Lufthansa, Swiss International, United, and Virgin Atlantic on flights to New York, Boston, London, and Hong Kong. ... CEO Paul Meyer sees CommonPass being used in shipping, schools, hotels, and concert venues. He’s even had talks with the Japanese government about using it for the Olympics in summer 2021. “Vaccination records aren’t something people might need just to get onto an airplane, but also to enroll in a school,” he says. “There’s a real need for a global model.” The curious thing about this is, as the article itself admits, scientists don't even know yet whether the vaccines prevent infection: >Scientists still don’t know how long the leading vaccines provide protection, or if they stop transmission of the virus. The frontrunners are highly effective in preventing disease, but it’s unclear whether vaccinated individuals might still be infectious. Given this, why not simply make the vaccine available for people belonging to risk groups, should they want to take it, instead of all this? Seems to me this is more about trying out new tools for control and to test the limits of what the population will put up with without too much resistance. It also has the effect, if this scenario becomes real, that you practically can't do anything without carrying a smartphone wherever you go. Technology isn't voluntary. In Brazil: https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20201218-brazil-s-top-court-allows-mandatory-vaccination-as-covid-19-cases-deaths-spike >The court also ruled that Brazilians could be “required, but not forced” by civil authorities to be vaccinated. The specific enforcement mechanisms allowed by the order were not immediately clear, but Supreme Court Justice Ricardo Lewandowski wrote in the majority ruling that individuals refusing to take vaccines could face sanctions, such as the inability to partake in certain activities or to frequent certain locations. Required, but not forced... The difference is that it's not as bad PR as police-protected doctors invading your home to inject you.
>>16101 >immunity-passports-will-boost-economies the jew only caring for his shekels ...again
>>16101 >Given this, why not simply make the vaccine available for people belonging to risk groups, should they want to take it, instead of all this? No Covid cultist can answer this question. I don't debate this shit with tons of people, but I have done it with a few over the last few months. If you mention something like this, or attempt to introduce some degree of critical thinking into the discussion regarding the narrative, you can see them pause and listen to you, and then they stammer out a few things half-heartedly, and then they sort of huff at you. At least that is what a woman did I talked with recently. After this point they're angry and no real progress is made. I know these idiots know that deep down something doesn't sound right, but they're psychologically incapable of breaking with the dictated narrative. It's kind of frightening how many people are like that, how ingrained the herd instincts are, but increasingly I've come to accept that 95% of humanity is like that, for better or for worse. This is why the importance of good leadership is crucial. It's the brain of the masses, and the rest are just organs and limbs and comparison. >Seems to me this is more about trying out new tools for control and to test the limits of what the population will put up with without too much resistance. It also has the effect, if this scenario becomes real, that you practically can't do anything without carrying a smartphone wherever you go. Technology isn't voluntary. Exactly. I hate to spin this as a good thing (in a tiny sense), but this gives us the most hard-hitting and directly-experienced example of the obligatory nature of technology so far if it is truly rolled out in this fashion. There are of course many examples already, but none of them will be as obvious as this. Of course, golems will use the logic that it is to "save lives". Each precious and unique muttoid shopping at Walmart must be shielded from all harm until a ripe old age. I remember being worried about this weird "contact-tracing" shit back in February and March, where they were talking about using your cellphone to track down whether you had been in contact with someone infected. Someone in the other thread (news thread) said it best, what they are going to be trying to roll out here is a China-style totalitarian surveillance state with digital currency, checkpoints, soft methods of control and ever more intrusions. And like you said, the PR value of this alone is massive in comparison to ZOG vaccination squads. The system can't work through brute terror constantly, it would expose itself for what it really is. It has to be friendly, soft, seemingly concerned about the lemmings it herds. The vaccination will be all but obligatory, but it will be done through soft pressure that will make a normal life impossible, not some CDC goon kicking your door in
>>16106 >And like you said, the PR value of this alone is massive in comparison to ZOG vaccination squads. The system can't work through brute terror constantly, it would expose itself for what it really is. It has to be friendly, soft, seemingly concerned about the lemmings it herds. The vaccination will be all but obligatory, but it will be done through soft pressure that will make a normal life impossible, not some CDC goon kicking your door in Similarly, gun control will not, generally speaking, be implemented by police one day invading the homes of tens of thousands of gun owners to confiscate their guns, as some gun enthusiasts fear - or hope, given that it could spark such as massive backlash, that a violent conflict is initiated, a scenario that many right-wingers consider desirable because they believe they would win it. The process of removing guns from the civilian population will be softer and more gradual, at least if the system administrators are not provoked into making a huge mistake by suddenly overextending. But they'd have to be idiots for that to happen. And maybe that's still the best possibility, despite its unlikelihood. Guns will become more expensive and difficult to legally acquire, and one type of gun or gun part or ammo after another is prohibited to purchase. A slower process, but the last thing the system wants is to cause or enable a violent reaction against itself.
>>16144 Yeah, exactly, these sort of door-to-door confiscations are a literal fantasy made up by people who are too ignorant to really study how and understand how the system functions. For example, ZOG hardly needs terror to control at all, it just controls the minds through media, education and entertainment. Force is hardly needed and the cattle think they're free.
>>16144 Shitskins will become a supermajority and then vote guns to be illegal. Then it doesn't matter if they come door to door for your guns when you are outnumbered and going extinct. Of course this will be after all the other soft measures like making them more expensive, gradually banning certain models and mag capacities, buy-ins etc. Part of why the so called gun community is a joke is that you aren't even allowed to discuss this blatant and obvious fact even on anonymous image boards like /k/. In their heart of hearts they don't want to save gun rights, they don't want to win.
How's the energy transition going?
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>>16153 Wow, thanks for posting these. Part of the increase in total energy use is of course due to an increase in the population. There is a basic amount of energy that will always be needed per person for heating and cooking. Looking at this graph and a graph of global population, since 1800, total energy use has increased by 34x and and global population by 8x, so the amount of energy used per capita has increased by about 4x since 1800!
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Anons' talk of energy consumption made me remember the Jevons Paradox. For the longest time I had read about this somewhere, but I could not recall the name: >In economics, the Jevons paradox (/ˈdʒɛvənz/; sometimes Jevons effect) occurs when technological progress or government policy increases the efficiency with which a resource is used (reducing the amount necessary for any one use), but the rate of consumption of that resource rises due to increasing demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
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>>16239 Not only does population growth cause increased energy use, but the explosive population growth itself is enabled by highly productive modern agricultural technology dependent on fossil fuels. The most common artificial fertilizers are made using gas in the Haber-Bosch process. Pesticides are produced from oil. Mechanized farming equipment is manufactured using oil and run on diesel, transport of food products all over the globe requires energy as well. > the amount of energy used per capita has increased by about 4x since 1800! That figure is only going to increase as less developed countries catch up to Western levels of material development. Energy use is 6 times higher per person in Germany and France than in India, and more than 40 times higher than in Afghanistan, for instance. Not all such countries can be expected to reach high levels of development, given racial or cultural differences, but still.
>>16241 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox From later on in that article. >However, this does not imply that improved fuel efficiency is worthless if the Jevons paradox occurs; higher fuel efficiency enables greater production and a higher material quality of life. Ah yes, greater production and higher "material quality of life"! Of course this also increases the environmental damage by more than just that of the increased use of fuel. This article in lowtechmagazine is interesting, showing how this paradox applies to improvements in lighting technology. https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/10/led-light-cfl-b.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/22/microplastics-revealed-in-placentas-unborn-babies >Microplastic particles have been revealed in the placentas of unborn babies for the first time, which the researchers said was “a matter of great concern”. >The health impact of microplastics in the body is as yet unknown. But the scientists said they could carry chemicals that could cause long-term damage or upset the foetus’s developing immune system. The particles are likely to have been consumed or breathed in by the mothers.
>>16304 What they won't mention in the article is that these things are probably absolutely loaded with xenoestrogens
>>16305 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2726844/ >In this first Scientific Statement of The Endocrine Society, we present the evidence that endocrine disruptors [EDCs] have effects on male and female reproduction, breast development and cancer, prostate cancer, neuroendocrinology, thyroid, metabolism and obesity, and cardiovascular endocrinology. ... EDCs represent a broad class of molecules such as organochlorinated pesticides and industrial chemicals, plastics and plasticizers, fuels, and many other chemicals that are present in the environment or are in widespread use.
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>>16301 >>However, this does not imply that improved fuel efficiency is worthless if the Jevons paradox occurs; higher fuel efficiency enables greater production and a higher material quality of life. LOL good catch
Social Credit as it exists in China is a key example of social engineering and control by the technological system. I think they're definitely laying the foundations for it to be implemented in some form of its own here in the West, and the article that I link below is a good example of this, which goes over a proposal to tie one's credit score to one's browsing history. >The IMF researchers stress that “governments should follow and carefully support the technological transition in finance. It is important to adjust policies accordingly and stay ahead of the curve.” (((technological transition in finance))) https://archive.fo/IuUQd We are rapidly approaching complete technocratic control.
Scandinavian government studies ecofascist memes: >"We have carried out a thematic analysis of just over 1000 images from the Telegram messaging service. The analysis shows that eco-fascist propaganda is dominated by utopian images of beautiful landscapes and people living simple lives in an unspoilt nature, often with inserted Old Norse or National Socialist symbols..." the report said. https://www.friatider.se/myndighet-varnar-hogerextrema-naturbilder Link to report (PDF, not in English but has examples of memes): https://www.foi.se/rest-api/report/FOI%20Memo%207441 Imagine being employed and paid by a government agency to study memes.
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>>16369 Very interesting. I think this is one more piece on the evidence pile that Ecofascism has a great future ahead of it. The aesthetics of Nature in contrast to the ugly grey cities of today is a stark contrast and one that appeals very much to people's Romantic sensibilities. Not only that, though, but what is threatening about this is that it offers an almost wholesale rejection of the entire system and the degeneracy enabled by it. That is why they are so afraid of Ecofascism and hire retards to study memes for them. It reminds me of that one article on 'Neo-Paganism' and Judaism: >Halakhah is the antithesis of the laws of nature. The latter are cruel: there is no charity in nature; there is no mercy. There is no safety net in nature for marginal beings. The strong eat the weak. The old are abandoned. In the Bible, the Utopian Latter Days are characterized by the disappearance of these characteristics from the world, when Isaiah prophesies that “the wolf shall dwell with the lamb…the cow and the bear shall graze…a babe shall play over a viper’s hole.” >There is no equality in nature or anything resembling democracy. Nature should be feared. Volcanic eruptions sometimes cause as much damage as atom bombs. Earthquakes wipe out communities. The expression “forces of nature” has a clear undertone of uncontrolled violence. https://jcpa.org/article/neo-paganism-in-the-public-square-and-its-relevance-to-judaism/
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>>16419 I don't even know what to say after reading shit like this. Nothing I say will even come close to conveying my disgust
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>mfw I'm gifted a new pair of headphones with a bunch of retarded features like Alexa connectivity and bluetooth >mfw I can't get this stupid shit working after 20 minutes >mfw I go back to using the old ones that work perfectly fine
>>16423 I know that feel, anon. My family knows I like fishing and nearly every year someone gifts me a cheap, high-tech fishing gadget made in China that I don't need. In the past I've been gifted two pairs of touchscreen compatible fishing gloves, a cheap all in one scale + ruler + flashlight multitool, and more. It's nice to receive gifts but I'd be happy being gifted simple things like hooks.
>>16370 our globalist world is ugly and dysgenic, while nature is beautiful and eugenic. >>16438 that's a problem with the current globalist order: overproduced, gimmicky products that are not built to last. there's an entire marketing culture built around pushing new plastic crap every year with the latest features, and planned obsolescence makes this even more wasteful. we don't need bluetooth and touchscreen on some device that'll malfunction in a few years anyway. what we do need is stuff that's easy to use, reliable, durable, and well-designed. it reminds me of an issue with firearms -- modern tacticool guns are often prone to jamming and other issues, while older rifles work just fine.
Even Asians are becoming fat due to a shift from a traditional to an industrial diet. A majority of Chinese adults are now fat. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/24/china/china-adult-overweight-intl-hnk/index.html
>>16445 >tfw no overweight westernized asian gf caked in makeup
>>16446 >>tfw no overweight westernized asian gf caked in makeup Literally makes me ill to imagine such a creature
>>16369 >Scandinavian government studies ecofascist memes: >"We have carried out a thematic analysis of just over 1000 images from the Telegram messaging service. The analysis shows that eco-fascist propaganda is dominated by utopian images of beautiful landscapes and people living simple lives in an unspoilt nature, often with inserted Old Norse or National Socialist symbols..." the report said. This explains why the agenda 2030 kikes want to herd everyone in "Smart Cities" and ban travel into rural areas to prevent Whites from establishing their link with nature, which is a driving force behind fascistic thought and rejection of technocracy.
U.S. Cities (Western Cities): Hazardous Gene Dumps "A cartoon was reproduced in one Movement periodical which I receive depicting a mob of crazed Liberals lynching a "handgun" while the actual robber himself walks away free and unmolested. This is an insight into the prevailing mentality. So it is with the issue of pollution. They go wild on the question of hazardous waste dumps but are oblivious to the far greater danger of the hazardous genetic dumps which are our major U.S. cities." "So what if we can manage over the next hundred years or so to clean up the vast amounts of garbage and waste that the Capitalist System has brought about if, over the same period, we have degenerated into a bunch of low-level savages. A human garbage dump with no chance of reclamation? It is a cornerstone of the National Socialist outlook - and a hard one at that, which so few can manage to grasp that NO MATTER WHAT, if the blood is preserved pure, it can survive and overcome ANYTHING. If atomic warfare destroyed all human life on earth but two Aryan specimens somewhere in New Zealand, we could begin again." "It is an unnatural, peculiarly human trait that allows so many otherwise intelligent people of our Race to look upon inferiors as "equals." It is something - a sickness ac tually - that will most certainly die with the passing of this current age (and hopefully, will not take all the rest of us down with it). In line with the priority of the blood kept pure and free of alien genes, when comparing the re spective damage to be done by other forms of pollutants, I've often stated that the condition - and content - of these cities make a positively ATTRACTIVE case for atomic warfare. After all, don't they employ radiation in the treatment of cancer? That, of course, is the far side of radicalism. It is, however intended and offered in a one-hundred-percent straight and sincere conviction of its inevitability. And so, while we don't discount the prostitution and poisoning of the land, air and water, we still view the defiling and befouling of the Race as the worst possible corruption of Nature's highest creation. Who was it that said, "If you would build a better society, build a better man."?" SIEGE by James Mason. pp 213-214
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>>16450 Nature is the antithesis of the Jew. They will do everything they can to try to harness it and destroy it, but their chutzpah can only go so far.
>>16455 Fisher must be a rare similar case as Jung was, the Aryan blood in him overcame the Jewish.
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>>16456 To be a Mischling must be wild. The two antithetical types of Jew and Aryan are mixed in one body. Most often the Jew manifests over the Aryan, but like you said, there are very rare exceptions that through and appear as Aryan as can be
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>>16456 Carl Jung had jewish relatives? On which side, who? I thought he was swiss through and through since he had clergymen on both sides of the family.
>>16508 Nigger are you actually trying to sell us (((climate change))) ?
>>16510 You seem lost. This is the ecofascism thread.
>>16510 >there can't be manmade effects on the climate >because kikes use the idea to increase control It never fails to astound me how susceptible even our lads are to basic reverse psychology. You can't reduce something so complex into a gay MSM label and talking point.
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>>16513 There's literally nothing static about global temperature. Solar cycles such as sunspots/and the lack thereof has large quantifiable effects on earth's climate even affecting volcanic eruptions that in turn produces global cooling. Solar winds/coronal ejections even affect earthquake frequency which tells you us immediately how impactful the sun actually is when it comes to climate. Climate change is just another narrative dogma, like covid. We've literally been told by jews over and over that as a White global minority "oy vey goyim you shouldn't have kids because of the climate hehe", and that is why our nations should and have been de-industrialized just to become modern serfs to third world chinese communists and other shadowskins(who are the main sources of pollution) magically always getting off the hook on not giving a flying fuck even though its such a "big issue", but only for WHITE NATIONS. LMAO How OBVIOUS does it get? Do some fucking research. Super fancy pacacked le moving .gov graphs is just a deepfake porn genre for (((modern narrative science))) worshippers.
>>16509 I have never heard this before either. I would be interested in seeing what evidence there is, if any. >>16510 Is it really that surprising that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramatically increased from pre-industrial levels though? I mean climate change aside, there are so many other things that one could focus on. Deforestation, pollution, extinction of animals, overpopulation, etc - there is certainly a major environmental crisis going on. >>16516 You're mixing up specific phenomena occurring and the Jewish solutions here. Let's assume for sake of argument that Covid-19 is 100% natural. The brute fact of Covid-19 being present in a population doesn't necessarily imply any specific response. Anyone who tells you otherwise and tries to justify it through (((science))) is subverting you and trying to control you. Real science (to the extent it exists) doesn't provide normative standards. One could say this about any climate problem as well. With Covid it's clear that they are using it to accelerate their technocratic agenda.
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>>16519 >With Covid it's clear that they are using it to accelerate their technocratic agenda. They did this with (((climate change))) as well. It was simply a mass fraud predecessor similar to covid to justify (((change))) to normalize deindustrialization, globalist monopoly transfer, literally making all White nations depend on non-White nations and so on, removing our agency and making us depend on BankerZOGstein facilitating 99% GLOBALIST ONLY jobs where White people have to sit around to micromanage and compete with brown shitskins for slave pay while we're not doing or creating anything ourselves in our own nations. Because at the end of the day, a nation that does not produce anything is literally fucking worthless. Hitler knew this, and the kikes knew this too. >They lied about covid >They wouldnt totally just lie to us about climate change tho If you don't believe me all I'm asking is that you actually DYOR and don't just believe in kike .gov/ngo "man made climate change" agenda 2020-30 just because it's convenient. Because under a quite minute amount of scrutiny on you quickly find out that due to normal global temperature fluctuations and the way they do readings it's literally a fucking scam, alright? >Deforestation, pollution, extinction of animals, overpopulation, etc - there is certainly a major environmental crisis going on. Yeah exactly but for some (((wierd))) reason, we don't get to hear anything about that except for the most tame bullshit of shadowskins doing what they always do destroying their enviroment, we don't get to hear about bisphenol microplastics infiltrating water global supplies. And now the first baby has been found with microplastics crossing through the placenta and into the fetus. We have real enviromental problems, and It's not some kiked greta " oy vey da science say the sky is falling goyim da temperature juss too high! listen and beleef" fucking bullshit.
>>16521 it's undeniable that 'climate change' is being used by the globalists to consolidate power. that's not to say that climate is irrelevant, but it's been highly politicized and used for social engineering; thus, (((climate science))) cannot be trusted. I've looked into the science myself, and it's far from settled. as the infographic in >>16516 illustrates, climate has naturally made large shifts over history, long before the industrial revolution could've made any impact. if you follow the pattern, it makes sense that we'd be heading into a modern warm period, regardless of our emissions. in addition, there's albedo, or reflectivity of the earth. a warmer climate should cause higher albedo, which directly offsets the greenhouse effect. the scientists admit they don't know how this would factor in. there's also the carbon cycle, in which co2 gets absorbed by plants/primary producers and locked into the biosphere. this means co2 emissions cause increased plant growth, offsetting the supposed threat. I also read that the mesopelagic layer of the ocean contains more life than previously assumed, which would further expand the carbon cycle and offset warming. tl;dr: climate science is not settled. there are unresolved issues such as natural oscillation, albedo, and carbon cycle; but they won't tell you this because the issue is being used for globalist consolidation. there are many other environmental issues being drowned out by the drumbeat of climate change: pollution, habitat destruction, extinction, invasive species, overpopulation of prey animals (due to lack of predators) etc. but this doesn't get brought up because it's not politically useful. in fact, many environmental problems are directly caused by the modern, globalist world. this of course is swept under the rug, because the environment is only used as a cudgel against Western nation-states. the globalists have quite a few schemes, but they're not hard to predict -- anything they push is to the detriment of Whites and western nations. ultimately, they want to build a globalized McWorld with most of us as serfs, ruled over by a technocratic elite.
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>>16513 Frankly I get tired of simpleminded anons who believe everything is a jewish conspiracy and nothing else. The JQ is very real but reality is also more complex than that. They are ultimately not doing their own cause any favors with this reductionism. If anything, jews tend to be obsessed with economic growth and corporate profits at the expense of everything else. The reasons the system is promoting a certain, limited kind of "environmentalism" are, first of all, to somewhat mitigate the damage it is itself causing, and thus reduce risk of future instability, as well as to reduce dependency on scarce energy sources, which represents a real threat to the future of the system because it ultimately runs on these energy sources, and secondly, to control opposition and co-opt potential rebels against itself, as it always does. The system creates problems, which it then must at least attempt to solve, in the process often causing more problems. This is a familiar pattern. If someone tells me I should be fine with industrial pollution and its possible long term consequences to wild nature and my own living environment because he read in a 4chan meme that "jews hate the oil industry" or "libruls want to force you to use a bicycle" then I can't take that seriously.
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>>16569 A lot of the environmental regulations that get pushed aren't very effective in the end either. They're designed so that mega corporations can bypass them through edge cases or plow through them with their war chest, while creating a barrier for entry to competition. So even if it costs them more to comly with the regulation they end up with less competitors, thus consolidating their place in the market. This is an observation libertarians were right about. Unfortunately normalniggers will bleat for any regulation that gives them warm and fuzzy feelings regardless of whether the government is capable of implementing it in a way that creates meaningful positive change. All of these issues are so complex both the economics and science of it that most people should rightfully admit if they were honest, they are not even equipped to evaluate it and come to meaningful conclusions. We're talking about very detailed models of complex systems, that require massive amounts of domain knowledge, math and statistics, and the models can be easily fudged by tweaking a couple variables if you want to produce a certain result that fits your agenda. Yet the normalnigger who "is bad at math" (can't even do trig or calc, let alone statistics) somehow has dank opinions on it all. In reality they are just deferring to a consensus among "scientists" (as if science was determined by consensus, or the consensus wasn't manufactured by the filter of media and educational institutions) or some charts they saw that are probably misread and don't explain the full picture.
>>16571 >In reality they are just deferring to a consensus among "scientists" (as if science was determined by consensus, or the consensus wasn't manufactured by the filter of media and educational institutions) or some charts they saw that are probably misread and don't explain the full picture. It all makes sense once one understands that science is merely just another tool to control people and to make the political decisions of humans rest on some supposed foundation of infallibility. Propaganda through media and stuff instilled in people's minds through educational institutions contributes to this idea taking root among the population as well. They don't even have to know how this data was obtained, if a man in a White labcoat says it, they take it on faith as true and attack you as "anti-science". I wish there was a whole book on this type of topic
>>16521 >We have real enviromental problems, and It's not some kiked greta " oy vey da science say the sky is falling goyim da temperature juss too high! listen and beleef" fucking bullshit. She's either a kid who's an actor or an old woman with a health condition pretending to be a kid and acting. She stands for all that is compromised and glib and kiked. Someone like that goes on stage and people cheer and then the intended effect is that everyone feels better and does nothing. Fuck that shit. Yes, like what you said microplastics. In addition (there's definitely more that evades my mind and issues I've never read about): overpopulation, modern farming techniques and cows and pigs being fed corn and soy, old growth deforestation, dumping toxic shit ranging from mercury and trash and drugs into the ocean, piling trash that won't disappear for millions of years, household cleaners that haven't been tested, species going extinct and their extinction effects are not yet known, geoengineering and spraying aluminum into the atmosphere, constant mass manufacturing, radiation, electronic frequencies, shitskin hunting/fishing methods etc. We are bathing and breathing in a bay of shit. Basically it all is short minded and doesn't really care about the consequences. >>16569 While I hope that you have good intentions, jews are the ultimate enemy and they have enabled most of this. Of course there are traitors and shitskin countries that are actually spewing the crap into the environment, but it is the jew who is the ultimate enemy. >If anything, jews tend to be obsessed with economic growth and corporate profits at the expense of everything else This is why the environment is suffering. They are affecting all of our bodies, animals, trees, water, everything. They are affecting future generations for untold years. This is the worst atrocity against the world that has ever been perpetrated, and it comes not at the expense of human lives being lost, but all inclusively being fostered. The jew has no respect for nature and in fact hates it. I don't know if ted k. is a cia plant or what, I don't know if he was legit or if he was there to discredit radical environmentalism that was taking shape at the time or just there as a weapon of confusion. No idea, so I'm not necessarily siding with him when I say that his essay, Ship of Fools, is excellent. I get really pissed when dumb trannies are worried about getting their dicks cut off when the world around them is dying. People have the most worthless, mundane neurotic kike obsessions and there won't even be a world there if something huge doesn't happen asap.
>>16576 >I don't know if he was legit or if he was there to discredit radical environmentalism that was taking shape at the time or just there as a weapon of confusion What makes you think that? From the looks of it Ted has made radical environmentalism more popular than ever before.
The worst thing about how the elites have perverted ecofascism is it plays nicely into their climate change agenda and the whole UN Agenda 2030 "smart cities" ploy. They want to make rural areas off limits and cordoned off to protect "bio diversity" and to use zoning laws to force people off their properties and into "smart cities" for the same reasons. Which will be heavily watched, policed, and you will be tracked. See video related: https://invidious.xyz/watch?v=hjEoBgSFyTo
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>>16577 Radical environmentalism is direct action. It's not theorizing or armchair dictating or anything like that. It involves sabotage and meticulous planning. What makes you think that it's more popular? More normalfags talk about the environment now and certainly many philosophies are more popular, but I see a lot less direct intervention than what was happening 20-30 years ago. One problem with Kaczynski is that a lot of his targets didn't make very much sense (why not microsoft?). Gelernter (pic related) was a victim who supposedly sustained eye injuries, well he looks fine to me. Regardless, it actually was more of a passing thought and hypothetical consideration than any sort of claim. I have not read enough about him or his trial to make an actual conclusion.
>>16581 Ted has inspired some direct action. In Mexico a group called Individuals Tending Towards the Savage has issued a a variety of threats towards scientists and researchers involved in nanotechnology and biotechnology, and claimed to be behind the death of a prominent Mexican scientist and at least two bombing attacks. https://archive.fo/wWnTk But in general though, I guess it would be more accurate to say that the ideas contained in anti-tech or tech-critical thought have become more widespread since the publication of ISAIF, even if there has been no real spike as far as I'm aware of with the type of direct action you're talking about. I definitely haven't heard of anyone going about and spiking trees immediately after reading it. That's the real problem. Radical ideas spread, but there is a fundamental gulf between thought and action here. Only things that you actually act on are of value, otherwise they are idle, disconnected daydreams. For me at least, I just don't care too much about Ted's targets in particular. Yeah, they might have been kinda subpar, but at the end they resulted in the publication of ISAIF in national newspapers, which is a victory as far as I'm concerned, especially when this work emerged from a tiny shack in rural Montana.
>>16583 >Individuals Tending Towards the Savage Thanks for sharing. I do not really feel good about it though. Their explanation seemed pretty fantastical whereas there are far more real threats playing out right now, and I'm not discounting potential dangers of nanotechnology (covid vaccine anyone?), but why did they send it to an information technology professor? Wouldn't you target someone who actually matters, who is actually directly involved with this stuff, like a known developer actual engineer or even a ceo associated to it? Just a question. Actual activists get executed in shitniggervilles like brazil when they actively try to put a stop to shit. And even in the us, when earthfirst people got carbombed... that was very likely a fed operation. FBI has considered the biggest threat to be environmental activists for a long time, and the real people don't get very much press for the most part. Anyone who loves nature and the natural world, sees its beauty, realizes their place in relation to it, actively does something about it, those are the ones who stand in complete opposition to the industrial driven, jewish machine
>>16592 Yeah sometimes I wonder about the logic of targets as well. Funnily enough the expert in robotics technology coincidentally harmed in the attack when the IT professor took it to his cubicle to show him probably would have been a better primary target. Looking further down in the article they apparently did an attack against another professor who was "a specialist in micro-electro-mechanical systems", so I guess the quality of their targets seem to vary. I obviously can't tell you how these people think, but I guess their logic would be that these people are researchers to an extent, and especially if they are professors they could have some sort of role in the research into these things and the writing of books and papers on these topics, not to mention disseminating this information to hundreds of students. I'm just speculating though. Also, they have some writings if you want to see that. They're nothing earth-shattering though, but worth looking over: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/individualists-tending-toward-the-wild-communiques >Anyone who loves nature and the natural world, sees its beauty, realizes their place in relation to it, actively does something about it, those are the ones who stand in complete opposition to the industrial driven, jewish machine Exactly.
In 1872, Friedrich Engels, criticizing socialist anarchists, wrote about how industrialism is incompatible with autonomy, and pointed out that replacing capitalism with socialism would not change this fact. Being a communist, however, Engels was not at all opposed to the "despotism" he described. >Modern industry, with its big factories and mills, where hundreds of workers supervise complicated machines driven by steam, has superseded the small workshops of the separate producers; the carriages and wagons of the highways have become substituted by railway trains, just as the small schooners and sailing feluccas have been by steam-boats. Even agriculture falls increasingly under the dominion of the machine and of steam, which slowly but relentlessly put in the place of the small proprietors big capitalists, who with the aid of hired workers cultivate vast stretches of land. >Everywhere combined action, the complication of processes dependent upon each other, displaces independent action by individuals. But whoever mentions combined action speaks of organisation; now, is it possible to have organisation without authority? >Supposing a social revolution dethroned the capitalists, who now exercise their authority over the production and circulation of wealth. Supposing, to adopt entirely the point of view of the anti-authoritarians, that the land and the instruments of labour had become the collective property of the workers who use them. Will authority have disappeared, or will it only have changed its form? Let us see. >Let us take by way if example a cotton spinning mill. The cotton must pass through at least six successive operations before it is reduced to the state of thread, and these operations take place for the most part in different rooms. Furthermore, keeping the machines going requires an engineer to look after the steam engine, mechanics to make the current repairs, and many other labourers whose business it is to transfer the products from one room to another, and so forth. All these workers, men, women and children, are obliged to begin and finish their work at the hours fixed by the authority of the steam, which cares nothing for individual autonomy. The workers must, therefore, first come to an understanding on the hours of work; and these hours, once they are fixed, must be observed by all, without any exception. Thereafter particular questions arise in each room and at every moment concerning the mode of production, distribution of material, etc., which must be settled by decision of a delegate placed at the head of each branch of labour or, if possible, by a majority vote, the will of the single individual will always have to subordinate itself, which means that questions are settled in an authoritarian way. The automatic machinery of the big factory is much more despotic than the small capitalists who employ workers ever have been. At least with regard to the hours of work one may write upon the portals of these factories: Lasciate ogni autonomia, voi che entrate! [Leave, ye that enter in, all autonomy behind!] >If man, by dint of his knowledge and inventive genius, has subdued the forces of nature, the latter avenge themselves upon him by subjecting him, in so far as he employs them, to a veritable despotism independent of all social organisation. Wanting to abolish authority in large-scale industry is tantamount to wanting to abolish industry itself, to destroy the power loom in order to return to the spinning wheel. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm A fundamental similarity of proponents of capitalism and communism is evident: the belief that "progress" justifies turning humans into slaves to technology. It's not a surprise then that managers now refer to us as "human resources" and "human capital", because that's the perspective you come to view humans from with this mentality.
>>16627 I wonder if the non-Marxist roots of Asian Socialism/Communism are because of this. Pol Pot, iirc, didn't understand Marx. Ho was driven primarily by nationalism and patriotism. Many chinese communists not trained by the USSR were more "peasant-communism" oriented. The modern DPRK also is somewhat similar. Since clearly marxism was developed as a counter-act to industrial capitalism, couldn't asian socialism(s), and I don't mean the "socialism with Chinese characteristics" bs, be really a revolt to modernity, colonialism and technology moreso than to capital? If anyone has more info on this or knows of any text from non-Kampuchean sources (since their position is already clear) which outlines these ideas or proposes this theory already, please share.
>>16627 Wow, I first read this work probably sometime in 2017 and don't remember getting too much out of it besides the need for authority in the workplace, and how revolutions are "the most authoritarian thing there is", but to come back and read it in late 2020, when I have long since been redpilled on the problem of technique, modern industrialism and the like, I see this in a totally different light than before. It is interesting in how the last part of what you quoted the mere idea of abolishing some form of industry is just mentioned and brushed aside as patently absurd and not worth pursuing any more. To Engels, it seems that man has to be subjected to the total despotism of the machine. What is an interesting contrast is how Marx in The German Ideology says this in The German Ideology: >For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm This seems like an ideal which would destroy the entire society in contrast. There are very good reasons why humans specialize in certain tasks, and of course we even see this in the simplest of societies, and within natural organisms (i.e. cells within the body are functionally-specialized, etc)
>>16629 >couldn't asian socialism(s)...be really a revolt to modernity, colonialism and technology moreso than to capital? In the case of Kampuchea I definitely agree with this. In fact, in the past I have made a few big posts arguing for why Kampuchean communism had much more in common with non-Marxist ideologies such as the Narodniks. I've attached a post where I lay out my argument that I made back on 8chan if you're interested in reading it. The revolution there was very much a reaction against the cities, foreigners and the spread of capitalism and modern industrialism. As we know, most of Kampuchea's economic infrastructure and factories were dismantled during and after the revolution, and 95-97% of the population were put to work on agricultural collectives. The case of China though is much more convoluted it seems like. Mao was of course heavily influenced and surrounded by Jews, but it goes deeper than that. One thing I've read is that since Marx wrote his stuff specifically in reference to advanced, industrialized societies like Germany, Britain and France rather than comparatively backward countries like China or Russia, there was some necessary distortion of the theory to make them appealing to the people of these countries. Russia, of course, had a small and growing urban work-force, but in these Asian countries in particular, if I am recalling correctly (and I know for a fact that this is true in Cambodia) the urban workforce was just absolutely tiny compared to the amount of peasants. I own a book by historian Jacques Gernet which says the following about the development of Marxism in China. It is very interesting: >Numerous affinities probably explain the attraction very quickly exerted in China by Marxism. In its negation of any transcendental reality it seemed to link uip with one of the constants in Chinese thinking. The theory of five stages, which, through the workings of a socio-economic dialectic, lead humanity from primitive communism to the socialism of the future, recalled the eschatalogical visions of the 'great harmony' (ta-t'ung) of the school of Kung-yang, given lustre by K'ang Yu-wei, whose epoch was not so far in the past. [...] >The abolition of private property, put into practice by the T'ai P'ing in the middle of the nineteenth century, corresponded to the deepest aspirations of the Chinese revolutionary tradition and linked up with certain older 'statist' traditions. Marxism seemed to be in harmony with certain tendencies of Chinese thought. Now the Taiping was a syncretic Christcuck communist uprising in the 1850s and 60s. There was no property, no trade, it proclaimed the equality of the sexes in work and war. K'ang Yuwei, mentioned above, believed the world evolves from primitive disorder to a great unity. The last stage was characterized by the disappearance of social classees, borders, and the establishment of world government and peacee. The family would be abolished along with nation-states. People would live in communal dorms, eat in communal restaurants, children would be raised in collective nurseries, marriages would only last a year, etc. People have theorized that Mao was influenced by Kang, as during the Great Leap Forward many of the things that I have just described were actually implemented, such as people's communes, collective dining, etc. Mao himself even mentioned Kang and his Great Harmony in his writings: > But for the working class, the labouring people and the Communist Party the question is not one of being overthrown, but of working hard to create the conditions in which classes, state power and political parties will die out very naturally and mankind will enter the realm of Great Harmony >This has made it possible to achieve socialism and communism through the people's republic, to abolish classes and enter a world of Great Harmony. Kang Yu-wei wrote Ta Tung Shu, or the Book of Great Harmony, but he did not and could not find the way to achieve Great Harmony. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-4/mswv4_65.htm So we learn from all of this that Mao was influenced both by Jewish thought (Marxism) and Chinese Utopianism (Kang Yu-wei). We also know that Chinese thought has some affinities with Marxism throughout history. But to add to all of this, Mao himself was born in Hunan, literally a province away from the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom which was put down in 1864. Mao himself was born in 1893. There is no way that he was not influenced by this to some extent. It was one of the bloodiest wars in the 19th century, and the Heavenly Kingdom had control over some tens of millions of people. Thus, we cannot overlook the idea that Christianity in some form (thus Jewish at the root) was again the source of some influence on Chinese communism.
>>16642 Thank you. You elaborated perfectly, so I won't ruin it and just thank you for the effort post.
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>>16653 Glad you got something out of it
>>16639 Certainly there has always been some kind of division of labor, even in hunter-gatherer societies - in the most primitive societies, you see sex-based division of labor. The more complex society becomes, the more specialization is needed, but industrialization is taking this to new levels, where more and more people are now hyper-specialized, many dedicated to quite obscure tasks that are often meaningless, but required by the system. The scenario Marx describes would only be possible in the utopian and vaguely described "higher phase of communism" which no socialist state ever achieved. Essentially technology would have to progress to such an extent that little human work is needed. Probably a "strong AI" would have to be created to achieve it. As this point in time, it remains a sci-fi fantasy. Besides, if such a future arrived, it might not be as utopian one may imagine, because an elite would remain in existence, and most of us would be superfluous to them. Hence, we'd likely be treated like cattle even more so than today or outright eliminated. If they didn't eliminate us, then, the work we'd do we would only do to occupy ourselves to pass the time, not because we'd actually need to fish, hunt, etc. - and it would ultimately be unsatisfying. Ted described this as one of his nightmare scenarios in ISAIF. Hence, what Engels wrote is much more close to reality under socialism than Marx' fantasy vision.
>>16665 Ironically enough Marx's description here is something that would be more easily accomplished through a repudiation of industrialism than an out-and-out embrace of it, or through viewing the machine as some sort of tool of liberation, which it is most patently not. It reminds me of the one part of The Technological Society where Ellul talks about how it was Marx who "rehabilitated technique in the eyes of the workers", and that "Those who exploited it enslaved the workers, but that was the fault of the masters and not technique itself". That's the most pernicious idea that he pushed.
>>16665 Where the hell did you come from. >Besides, if such a future arrived, it might not be as utopian one may imagine Why is this even being stated in an ecofascism thread of all places. Anyone who is truly aligned with nature, who isn't some transhumanist faggot, would never consider that a nightmare future like this would ever be even remotely pleasing. >because an elite would remain in existence, and most of us would be superfluous to them Hello knucklehead, that's already happened. Most people are completely superfluous to them at this point. >we'd likely be treated like cattle even more so than today or outright eliminated You sound like a marxist or a commie with your theoretical anticipating. We cannot be treated anymore like cattle than we already are right now. Everything that you're advancing as a future scenario is taking place right now. Nigger, bill gates is just one kike zionist mind behind all of this. They are trying to wipe out lots of people, mostly anyone seen as a threat. >the work we'd do we would only do to occupy ourselves to pass the time Once again, already happening. >not because we'd actually need to fish, hunt If you're legit about this and you're willing to go beyond your gay ass college dissertation, you will need to nigger.
>>16669 >Hello knucklehead, that's already happened. Most people are completely superfluous to them at this point. Nah, if the goyim stopped working their entire system would explode within a matter of days
>>16670 Automation is right around the corner. The only people within the next five years who are of any use to them will be technicians and expendable labor
Spain to keep registry of those who refuse Covid vaccine https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55471282
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>>16709 Have their been any critiques at all of this work? Every thread I read about it on /lit/ is just attacking him as an "incel" or a "tranny". I have never seen Ted successfully critiqued.
>>16727 As far as I know, no. I've seen false criticism (like what you mentioned), based mostly on strawmen, already debunked myths and AdHoms, but I've yet to see any sincere criticism. For that matter, I've never seen a celebrity (other than Joe Rogan) even come close to critiquing them. Jimmy Kimmel, if I remember correctly, did a skit on it, but again no critiques to be seen.
>>16729 Yeah, that's basically my own experience. It is almost immediately obvious when someone has not read ISAIF or Anti-Tech Revolution, because they will either focus exclusively on Ted's remarks about leftists, or they will conflate him either with Anprims or Ecofascists, both of which Ted is not, or (and this is another big one) they will not be aware of any differences between different types of technology such as a organization-dependent types and those that aren't so. I will have to look for Joe Rogan's remarks. I don't really watch his stuff, and don't have really any impression of him as very intelligent, but I will have to look for it nevertheless.
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More than 1.5 billion face masks will pollute oceans this year https://nypost.com/2020/12/28/more-than-1-5b-masks-will-pollute-oceans-this-year-report/ World Economic Forum promoting Israeli scientists that make 3D-printed fake "meat" (looks disgusting, also their list of ingredients is secret) https://twitter.com/wef/status/1343240229373812736 Article about how much information modern cars collect about you. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/snitches-wheels-police-turn-car-data-destroy-suspects-alibis-n1251939 > The telematics system stores a vehicle's turn-by-turn navigation, speed, acceleration and deceleration information, as well as more granular clues, such as when and where the lights were switched on, the doors were opened, seat belts were put on and airbags were deployed. >The infotainment system records recent destinations, call logs, contact lists, text messages, emails, pictures, videos, web histories, voice commands and social media feeds. It can also keep track of the phones that have been connected to the vehicle via USB cable or Bluetooth, as well as all the apps installed on the device. >As automobiles become more automated, with self-parking and other "smart" features, they need more sophisticated sensors and computers, which means autos of the future will collect even more data, digital forensic and privacy experts say. Several technology companies and automakers, such as Volvo and Bosch, have developed driver-facing cameras to detect whether the driver is paying attention to the road. While the features are designed for safety, they could also be a rich source of potential evidence: video from inside the car.
>>16731 Thanks for sharing tidings of horror anon. >fake "meat" These fucking kikes are so twisted. They take real concerns and then pervert them and seek profit, no matter what. Should people eat less meat? Yes, but should the meat also be raised in better conditions where the livestock isn't subsisting on gmo corn and soy? Yes. Instead of solving things in a more natural manner, their immediate resort is to push this non-nutritional fake shit that is literally soylent green. And then they push the vegan nonsense. All of their issues are cyclical. They create the problem and then create a "solution" that just creates another problem. Kikes are trying to replace nature.
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>growing """meat""" in a lab on a mass-scale for billions of goyim involving complex, organization-dependent 3D printing technology is going to save the planet, guys, we need to remove ourselves from the ecosystem more! The dude in question is a commie too if you look at his profile, with a very Jewish phenotype. Commies think that all technological problems can be solved with more technology
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>>16733 Interesting to me how people who are looking for healing solutions that bring us closer to nature always tend to be of European descent (and in many cases american indian, make of that what you will), and the people mentioning the same issues pushing diseased band aids are always jewish or of a jewish mindset.
>>16732 >Should people eat less meat? Yes, but should the meat also be raised in better conditions where the livestock isn't subsisting on gmo corn and soy? Yes. Instead of solving things in a more natural manner, their immediate resort is to push this non-nutritional fake shit that is literally soylent green First of people don't need to consume less meat, what we need to is to feed the animals better and treat them better to produce a more nutritious meat product anyway. Secondly this is the typical "problem, reaction, solution" bullshit they've been forcing on us for decades; if they didn't create the terrible circumstances we already live in there (importing 3rd worlders to live a Western lifestyle making it unsustainable, promoting wasteful consumption, feeding animals toxic GMO soy shit/treating animals like shit for decades) this wouldn't even be an issue. But now that THEY have made it an issue, we the consumers are being blamed for it, and have to face the consequences that THEY want to enact on us on THEIR own terms. If our leaders were responsible to begin with and not greedy, shortsighted, evil inbred JEWS this would never have been a problem.
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>>16733 > a very Jewish phenotype LMAO
>>16735 I actually agree. Which is why I said that they create cyclical problems. By less meat I really meant no hot dogs and cancer food.
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>>16734 There is something very sick in the Jewish soul is all I can say. I don't know why they are like this, but it is likely because they have adapted to be parasites other kinds of humans. They require a civilization to support them. They are too weak, effeminate and denatured to survive without one. The same can be said, more or less, for everyone with one a judaized mindset. That's one reason I look forward to (but don't just want to idly wait for) the collapse. It will mean the destruction of all freaks, degenerates and jews.
>>16736 So this is who wants us to eat Israeli lab meat
>>16739 >>16736 >>16733 You won't ever see jews eating it though. And neither will I.
>>16736 What a punchable face.
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>>16743 It's your blood memory calling out to you. Countless Aryans before you have come to realize that Jews = bad news. Now it's instinctual to want to harm them from merely seeing their face
>>16745 This makes sense.
>>16775 I was joking at first, but the more I thought about it the more possible it seems. It would be interesting to look at a few hundred examples of what are labelled "punchable faces" or something similar to that, and to see, if possible, what percentage of such people are Jewish, or at minimum how Semitic their features are. Since there is at least some evidence that genetic imprints from traumatic experiences can be passed into offspring as instincts, it would only make sense that some Whites have a built in J-dar. https://www.nature.com/news/fearful-memories-haunt-mouse-descendants-1.14272 https://archive.fo/8Ca94
The author of this article, titled "‘Morality pills’ may be the US’s best shot at ending the coronavirus pandemic, according to one ethicist" is "Associate Professor of Medical Ethics, Humanities and Law, Western Michigan University" The disturbing part: >My research in bioethics focuses on questions like how to induce those who are noncooperative to get on board with doing what’s best for the public good. To me, it seems the problem of coronavirus defectors could be solved by moral enhancement: like receiving a vaccine to beef up your immune system, people could take a substance to boost their cooperative, pro-social behavior. Could a psychoactive pill be the solution to the pandemic? ... >Another challenge is that the defectors who need moral enhancement are also the least likely to sign up for it. As some have argued, a solution would be to make moral enhancement compulsory or administer it secretly, perhaps via the water supply. These actions require weighing other values. Apparently oxytocin is ruled out as a candidate for such a drug, however: >There are of course pitfalls to moral enhancement. One is that the science isn’t developed enough. For example, while oxytocin may cause some people to be more pro-social, it also appears to encourage ethnocentrism, and so is probably a bad candidate for a widely distributed moral enhancement. But this doesn’t mean that a morality pill is impossible. The solution to the underdeveloped science isn’t to quit on it, but to direct resources to related research in neuroscience, psychology or one of the behavioral sciences. https://theconversation.com/morality-pills-may-be-the-uss-best-shot-at-ending-the-coronavirus-pandemic-according-to-one-ethicist-142601
>>16812 Weaponized oxytocin when? This is so funny though. Big pharma is already planning on not making enough from the vaccines.
>>16812 > For example, while oxytocin may cause some people to be more pro-social, it also appears to encourage ethnocentrism, and so is probably a bad candidate for a widely distributed moral enhancement. Sounds based to me
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The gradual feminization of the population is basically equivalent to "morality pills" as far as I see it.
A couple of interesting lectures on human civilizations as dissipative systems. The main point is that industrial society is fragile because it requires enormous and increasing amounts of cheap and abundant energy. How to Enjoy the End of the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8 Energy, Money and Technology – From the Lens of the Superorganism https://youtu.be/2DpfsqjQbP0?t=3m6s Collapse of Complex Societies by Dr. Joseph Tainter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI (audio is not the best but good enough for most of it)
>>16890 Shit I was thinking the video with Tainter was going to be just an audiobook, but I'm pleasantly surprised to see that it is a lecture. I'm definitely going to have to listen to this. His book is good.
This is your daily reminder to hug a tree. They’re more aware than you would imagine. >Pea plants conditioned like Pavlov's dog in research seeking to break new ground https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-15/researcher-teaching-plants-dog-tricks/10709530 >Plant responsiveness to root–root communication of stress cues https://academic.oup.com/aob/article/110/2/271/2769210 >The Social Life of Forests https://archive.fo/nSWOp I can only imagine that continued research will continue to undermine the Jewish / Abrahamic conception of nature as dead, inert mechanisms for humans to exploit and destroy. Can’t wait for the vegetarian / vegan cope
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>>17076 [laughs in Mandarin] Sometimes I wonder what Ellul would think of the fact that some of his biggest proponents today are Third Positionists and a dude in supermax prison for bombing people
>>16727 What about no need to kill people to make your point? What about why not mention that technology can be used in a noble way but Jews corrupt everything for their jealous god of smoke and fire?
>>16732 >Kikes are trying to replace nature. Because they hate Nature, and that's due to the fact that deep down, they know they're terrible and ugly and can't enjoy the Light by themselves so they're forever stuck trying to create artificial, fake alternatives.
>>16734 Some races are naturally incapable of technology so it's not like they have a choice. But I found a lot of people of European descent to be victim of corruption and experiencing a strong love for some technological Messianism that's just the more electronically flavored conclusion of Marxism.
>>17181 >What about no need to kill people to make your point? Ted proved that killing people does make your point, and it got the Jews to publish him in their mainstream papers, propelling Neo-luddism into the public consciousness like never before, at least in radical circles. You can bet your ass that the Jews will never do something like that again. No one would have given a shit about Ted if he had just lived in his shack and wrote screeds. He needed to blow some techies up first, then people start wondering what is going on. >>17183 >experiencing a strong love for some technological Messianism that's just the more electronically flavored conclusion of Marxism. They've still gotta a little Jew living in their brains. Even when they reject Christianity, they remain fundamentally little Jew wannabes. Sadly it's so ingrained at this point that people take some aspects of Abrahamism for granted. Luckily with myself when I dumped Christianity I decided to dump all of the baggage at once and realized that it was groundless. Of course I fell into the other trap of science-worshiping materialism for a while, but in time I saw the flaws in all of these as well.
Trying to get this thread back on topic, I just finished reading Flee to the Fields: Catholic Land Movement. It gives some very good perspectives on industrial society. It was published in 1934, earlier than the other anti-tech books posted here. It is a collection of writings by various authors on distrubutism and the land movement. It is anti industrialism because industrialism separates man from his family, community, nature, and God. Is not compatible with freedom and dignity. They sought to re-establish a land owning peasantry as the alternative. Most of the population should be farming for their own subsistence and be largely self sufficient. I am not a catholic and I don't think anyone will find the book "too catholic".
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>>17321 I'll have to look through this more in the future. It looks like there is some interesting discussions going on there. And from the parts I looked through you seem to be right that it's not overly Catholic or Christian really. One good quote I saw: >In this, as in other respects, the Land Movement is realist. It rejects fashion; it rejects that denial of free will which is involved in the dogma of inevitable progress. It will put back the clock as far as may be necessary to ensure the happiness and integrity of man.
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>>17366 >nooo not my infinite growth!!!
>>17367 >One good quote I saw: Here are a couple I liked: >The relaxations of leisure are for them things paid for and passively enjoyed. They are surrounded with cheap forms of amusement, most of which are centrally controlled by rich monopolies, and scattered over the country as speculative ventures, with the object of further enriching their owners. Sixpennyworths of fictitious luxury have not yet only debauched the tastes of millions of people, but actually made it appear to them impossible for amusement to be contrived without an expensive machinery provided by others. Thus, as well as seeming unnatural, the community strikes them as dull and uninviting, since it would not contain the amusements to which they are accustomed. >Unnatural modes of life have become so habitual, that what is natural appears outlandish and dull. >The social reformer devotes himself to the propagation of ideas which shall result in the creation of a type of citizen removed as far as possible from the peasant type. He regards civilization and progress as something which conveys man as far as possible from contact with nature and reality. He looks at the sun, moon and stars; the blue sky and the green grass; mountains, rivers and seas; he listens to the song of birds and the murmur of waters; and after his survey he says, “All this is just what we do not want.” He devises a system of education, the object of which is to bring people up to believe that the real world is not the natural world, but a world composed of newspapers, cinemas, motor cars, gramophones and factories.
>>17321 >It is anti industrialism because industrialism separates man from his family, community, nature, and God. Is not compatible with freedom and dignity. This then needs to be explained. I'm not granted vast amounts of time now. I reckon that simpler lives keep families together, without a doubt. Industries create hogs of workers who either have to be moved into and out of them every day, or have to live close to them, both contributing to the lowering of the quality of life and most certainly hampering the healthy growth of a family. The tragedy of industrialism seemed to rest in its sacrificial necessity until we could move to something perhaps cleaner. What is man's future then? To remain forever stuck at the level of a bronze age peasant? Isn't this will to regression the easy and coping way though?
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>>17682 >This then needs to be explained. I was just trying to give an idea about the position argued in the book, the reasons why are well explained within. I would suggest starting with Industrial Society and Its Future by Theodore J. Kaczynski. It is the best introduction to anti industrialism. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/unabom-manifesto-1.html >The tragedy of industrialism seemed to rest in its sacrificial necessity until we could move to something perhaps cleaner. >What is man's future then? To remain forever stuck at the level of a bronze age peasant? Isn't this will to regression the easy and coping way though? You are thinking in terms of whig history and inevitable progress. We do not have any reason to believe industrialism will morph into something cleaner in the feature, all evidence points to the opposite. Things do not necessarily get better over time. Something is not good or bad because it is newer, older, or more advanced, but because of its effects. There is nothing bad about staying "stuck" as peasants if the more advanced option is worse for freedom, nature, and happiness.
>>17367 Hans Dahl’s art is peak comfy. Apparently he was Norwegian. It makes me want go visit. It basically perfectly encapsulates what I would see as a White utopia. >>17682 I wouldn’t view it as being “stuck”, I would view it as having a sense of stability and harmony with Nature—all things conducive to man’s true freedom, happiness and fulfillment. I fully endorse >>17771 ‘s post, he basically said what there is to say.
>>17771 >You are thinking in terms of whig history and inevitable progress. Not inevitable but history over the last 5000 years constantly shows humans trying to improve on their conditions. I'm mostly an old-school futurist, or archeo-futurist, with a knack for huge pristine wild areas, remote villages with low tech on purpose, and very focused, controlled areas of highly advanced technology serving our needs. Most of all, I'm yet to see a good counter to the need of mastering technology of weapons when our racial enemies are certainly not going to be moved by our candid aspirations to cows, green pastures and lilies. Especially Jews, who are urban dwellers first and foremost. Take a look at what they're preparing in the Middle East. >Something is not good or bad because it is newer, older, or more advanced, but because of its effects. Right, but a certain rise in technology happened in countries where Jews and like-minded people were already heavily entrenched and had no regard for humane concerns, virtue, honesty. With less hurry for profit at the expense of human life, we can safely see that it would have been possible to go through the stages of technological advancements, but at a much slower pace and in less expansive, say invasive ways for our environment. >>17690 I'll pass then. I'd loathe to promote these people for the right to talk about our racial struggle.
>>17366 Isn't Borzoi a kike?
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>>18090 Not the dog of course, but the podcaster who hangs around china cucks and shills who phenotypically look like kikes.
What about Spectre? What defines a kike nowadays? Is it just a person with jewish DNA or that and/or a person who has nonWhite friends who think alike or something?
>>18184 Jewish DNA and Jewish religion make one a kike, this is why we call christians, christkikes.
>>18184 First and foremost it’s genetic. There’s a clear core of what defines Jews genetically wherever they live, whether they lived in Europe or in places like Iraq or Yemen (this is of course prior to the founding of Israel since almost no Jews live in these places today). On top of the genetic core, there is of course the religion, which is a system to preserve the Jewish people. Those who marry into it or convert to the religion are little better than kikes themselves (like Ivanka). And then finally like the other anon said, anyone who follows an Abrahamic religion is essentially a Jew, at least in the spiritual sense since they follow a mutant offshoot of Judaism
>>18210 It's better to call them "Semites", because ethnically that's what they are. Don't let them conflate their culture, faith and race.
>>18090 Funny meme, but Borzois are Aryan. They're bred to hunt wolves.
The new edition of Technological Slavery contains an extra letter, several new appendices and a lot more footnotes. Kaczynski is writing on a second volume to the book but he says in the preface that he is unsure whether he will live long enough to see it finished. The changes to the new edition of Anti-Tech Revolution appear to be more minor.
>>18219 >to hunt wolves The new normal says: Jews want to hunt wolves. Wolves are Aryans. Dogs are nice little obedient pets, either taught to catch (nigger)ball or kill at the master's demand. Let's try being wolves this time.
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>>18052 >Not inevitable but history over the last 5000 years constantly shows humans trying to improve on their conditions. Not just talking about technological progress. Things do not necessarily get better over time. The fact that there have been changes does not make those changes good, and we have no reason to believe the changes of the future will be good. Before the industrial revolution there was no rapid change and the current obsession with progress, growth, and development. >Most of all, I'm yet to see a good counter to the need of mastering technology of weapons when our racial enemies are certainly not going to be moved by our candid aspirations to cows, green pastures and lilies. Especially Jews, who are urban dwellers first and foremost. Take a look at what they're preparing in the Middle East. This is why Ted says anti tech collapse needs to happen at a global level. If de-industrialization were to happen only in certain areas, I do not know how this issue would be solved. >Right, but a certain rise in technology happened in countries where Jews and like-minded people were already heavily entrenched and had no regard for humane concerns, virtue, honesty. >With less hurry for profit at the expense of human life, we can safely see that it would have been possible to go through the stages of technological advancements, but at a much slower pace and in less expansive, say invasive ways for our environment. Many of the problems are inherent to the industrial system, and it can not be reformed in a way to resolve them. It is impossible to have current levels of material wealth without using massive amounts of resources and damaging the environment. It is impossible to avoid the reduction in freedom. Each new technology will cause a wide range of effects that can not be completely predicted. Social, physical, and environmental. Many issues are only found out after the widespread adoption of a new technology, if they are found at all. For example we could never have known about the harmful effects of plastic when it was introduced, like how it acts like estrogen in the body. Certainly there are aspects that could be much better, but overall it would be impossible fix most issues. You can never completely control and predict the development of society.
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>>18236 As someone who owns both the original edition of Technological Slavery and the newer edition, the new edition is absolutely worth buying, I think. I think it has a nicer layout and design than the first one as well. It sounds like I made a good decision though in not buying the new edition of Anti-Tech Revolution. The first edition that I own and have read is fantastic and a very important edition to ISAIF and some of his older letters, but definitely not worth buying only for some minor tweaks, as much as I like Kaczynski. I might check out the PDF if it ever gets online. I really hope though that Kaczynski lives long enough to get out a second volume of the book though - the more he says, it seems, the better he gets, and the more ISAIF is supplemented. Here's to hoping. >>18219 Borzois are based. >>18215 They are Semites, but even then they are distinct from the Semites that they have historically lived among, such as Arabs. Their culture, religion and race are so tied up that it's almost impossible to separate.
>>18290 >Not just talking about technological progress. Things do not necessarily get better over time. The point I was clearly tackling was relevant to technology though. Caveman life? Mormon life? Sorry but I think the White man loves to invent things, to explore ideas, to build and arrange. It would not take much to convince people to abandon using their little pocket devices the way they do if we were not constantly pulled back into this elusive, suffocating consumerist society. Even in the age of internet and space rockets, many people want to have a break and look for a simpler life, to know how to plug their phone off and take a deep breathe in the countryside. I think it's in our ability to strike such a proper balance. >The fact that there have been changes does not make those changes good, and we have no reason to believe the changes of the future will be good. The reverse is equally unsure and to jump on this, we can assert rather safely that as a clear victory implies destruction of the Jews and their wicked ways, we would be freed from their tendency to push the basest instincts. >This is why Ted says anti tech collapse needs to happen at a global level. Outside of a rain of meteors, a massive pole shift that fucks up the world or a super coronal mass ejection that really burns all and everything electric, nothing save a man-made nuclear storm would achieve this effect and this, with much irony, could only be achieved through human technology. So this is not an option. And if we win, then good luck forcing the whole of Aryan Whites to abandon all technology. >Many of the problems are inherent to the industrial system, and it can not be reformed in a way to resolve them. It is impossible to have current levels of material wealth without using massive amounts of resources and damaging the environment. It actually is. First of all, through population reduction, the imprint will be reduced. Second, a better management of technology with a real care for the control of waste is literally within our reach but never truly applied because there is no honest economy-friendly ecological doctrine being actually defended and we're served nothing but false dilemmas and distortions of such causes, with lies about global warming being man made and the danger of carbon dioxide pollution. It is impossible to achieve anything truly sustainable because these topics are completely hijacked by the ZOG who uses them to limit our liberties and exterminate us. Let's take your plastic example. We actually possess ways to properly destroy it. Are we allowed to do it though? No. Should its use be limited? Yes. I don't believe that using it everywhere to wrap everything in it is suitable, but it is clearly a convenient material for many uses. However, as it is more dangerous to people and the environment if left unmonitored, it requires a stronger world wide consciousness and discipline upheld by noble minds to curtail its effects. So the real problem does not lie in our ability to predict future problems although it certainly helps for have some degree of intellectual foresight, but it lies in our freedom to properly address the issues without negative forces not wanting to hear anything about environmental care. Heaps of corruption prevent us from achieving this level of control. This gets worsened by the fact that less scrupulous and overcrowded countries have about zero respect for the environment and are known for being the greatest polluters, chiefly Asian and African nations.
>>18290 >picture Has point though insofar as certain "trad" customs are simply aligned to the way of life of people and such ways follow the tools of the day. But these are not related to the values, for which I do not see how they could be different whether we shit in the woods, in bowls of china porcelain or in automatic washing and flushing cabins. Perhaps conservatives have a hard time separating custom, or habit, from principles, thus values. I don't see how, for example, honesty is less valuable in the age of computers than in the age of clay tablets.
>>18391 >I don't see how, for example, honesty is less valuable in the age of computers than in the age of clay tablets. Easy, people in the past were more reliant on their immediate community and extended family for their welfare and survival, and when these were intact it was (1) more beneficial for each individual to be honest and thus to be in the good graces of the group, and (2) valued by the community for an individual to be honest for reasons such as social trust and capital. Valuing dishonesty among the in-group leads to the disfunction and eventually dissolution of the in-group. Industrialization and the cash economy destroyed organic communities and paved the way for the individualistic atomized society today. People became reliant not on their immediate communities, but rather on whether they had enough money to buy goods, and on functioning supply lines. One can lie all they like as long as it doesn't hurt their income. The grocery store doesn't care if you have morals, neither does the person selling your your house, your car, or any other type of consumer good. The individual exists as one atom in a vast ocean. It is no longer a society like an organism, but rather a disconnected heap of sand. There are less consequences than ever for breaking these norms. Literally all morals are a hold-over from strategies which ensured the survival of the group. In an atomized state-centric society like that of modern industrial society, they become less and less relevant. There is a clear degenerative intent in abolishing norms, but also they have become superfluous to the logic society which quite literally does not need these survival strategies to be enforced beyond a bare minimum level. The state is only concerned with making sure they are keeping the Jews and other capitalists happy. It is not a moral state. Even if decadence is harmful in the long run, they don't even care. Even with the entirety of modern civilization long term stability is sacrificed on the altar of short term prosperity and instant gratification.
I assume there is a lot of overlap between users of this thread and the pro-tech thread, but I thought some people may be interested in this post on James Cameron’s Avatar if they haven’t seen it: >>18575
>>8518 Its not niggers who built (sub)urban sprawls, interstate freeways and planted every patch of arable land with monoculture crops leading to dust bowls and reliance on DRM tractors. >but they small heda, voilent, trow trash on ground and shiiet Niggers were uprooted from hunter-gatherers to selectively bred slaves for to "free" second-class segregated people in liberal industrial society to welfare queens. One should not spoil the race too much, most of them are clearly lacking genetic traits to even exist in animal husbandry (lactose intolerance), let alone being involved with agriculture (alcohol and gluten intolerance). It's beyond my comprehension why 18th century anglos thought it was a good idea to bring breedable humanoids from distant part of the world to do work for the mighty White man. Yes, it was apparently a Portuguese jew who sold all the nigger slaves to America. So much for even a first president of the Freest Country in the World™ owning a few.
>>18391 The transition from a rural agrarian to an urban industrial society has had immense impacts on essentially everything else: social institutions, norms, values, religiosity, the organization and character of work, the tempo of life, fertility, every aspect of society is touched when the technological basis of society is changed.
>>18685 I'd say American niggers are way better than niggers in Africa. I mean the education and advancements they got was benefitial. Unfortunately, it was benefitial to the minority of them (the uncle Tom's, niggers who hat themselves etc).
>>18741 Beneficial to what, industrial soyciety? Mr Goldberg's stock upticks? They eat each other, shower with cow urine and shit in bush (healthier than doing so in a unnatural position on porcelain bowl and then dumping into ocean). Does that mean we should "help" them? No, leave Africa the fuck alone, pull out the colonies, charities, puppet dictators and globalists. They are hunter gatherers in their natural form and can not hurt anyone outside their food chain. This fucking judeochristian practice of intervening into everybody's personal domain should be put to an end. By the way, I don not see Walden in recommended books. Thoreau built his cuckshed innawoods before it was cool to even go there for recreation, but he's more of egotist in ideology, he strongly criticized government and all sorts of large societal structures.
>>18741 American niggers are the worst. They're a completely different beast than an African nigger too. They're really just mutts with greater or lesser amounts of European admixture mixed in with their African side. Far from making them more intelligent, it makes them somehow even worse. Even Africans hate them.
>>18748 >>18773 Idc, if I ever met a nigger who was respectful to White people or acknowledge the fact that White people helped them, good for him.
>>18782 That attitude has just gotten us in our current situation. Can you guarantee that this nice nigger or his children won't turn on us later? I'll admit that I would have a hard time to do something bad to a seemingly good fellow like that myself but in the grand scheme of things we have to separate from them and that means they can't stay in our lands. They need to go, one way or the other.
>>18786 I can see where you're coming from.
>>18787 All I can see is niggeresses wanting to be fucked by wypipo to produce superior breed (from her pov), whereas male niggers want to fuck White women, either the easy ugly pussy or the attractive ones as part of their sexual imperatives for hypermating and domination. They stop doing this when they're surrounded by more niggers and have no access to wydick/pussy. Why are we having this discussion anyway? Niggers don't belong in our countries and I don't care if we landed there only two hours ago. We keep what we conquer and it becomes ours. That's all, that's the rule.
>>18418 This doesn't really support that honesty was valuated as it should be, only that people were more forced to keep close to it for mutual benefits. In this day and age, those who maintain honesty are far superior to their distant ancestors. Now and never before is when we can truly appreciate true honesty. It never had more value than today. That's a different and interesting way to look at it, don't you think? Greater risks, greater rewards. Everything is emphasized now.
Also, I don't fully buy the argument on how access to technology and money for each individual is cursed to lead to individualization and destruction of virtues. For the most part, bar the higher forms of technology, the people in the 30s, 40s and 50s were not so different from us. The Jewish sabotage of our societies is what isolated us from each other. You can have people who move around a lot by ways of new forms of transportation without suddenly becoming degenerates because they freed themselves from a primitive medieval way of life. In the middle of the former century, strong values still had a meaning, many people cared about their neighbourhood, didn't enjoy the presence of migrants and by force of a religion, no matter how alien it was in parts, maintained a strong sense of discipline, cohesion, respect and modesty. Look at how the fleeing kikes from the Frankfurt School, after digging a hole in the West Coast, quickly proceeded to destroy everything there with their new theories, and how the medias, already being infested with Jews and subversive leftists, used all their power to push these new norms onto the hapless White Americans. We cannot insist enough on the subversive effect of Jews' efforts to reshape a society they hate with all their guts for its Whiteness. Emulate Thoreau all you want, retro America and National Socialist Germany have proved that it was possible to retain proper values while having access to a more complex and new way of living.
>>18852 >Also, I don't fully buy the argument on how access to technology and money for each individual is cursed to lead to individualization and destruction of virtues. Maybe it's because you're ignorant and don't know how to think outside of the post other than shilling technology and blaming Jews? Industralization was invented for the sole reason to increase profit, centralization, dysgenic and urbanization, thus why technology was needed to this, because without it do you really think that they would of been successful? To say that people from the 30s, 40s and 50,s weren't different from those before the industrial revolution is a lie, because ideas such as fascism and anti-tech movements rose around those times for that reason and the people during these times were mostly bluepilled and just went by what they accepted as the new way of living, because of what industrialization was leading into.
>>18843 >This doesn't really support that honesty was valuated as it should be, only that people were more forced to keep close to it for mutual benefits. The benefits to the group that honesty brings is the reason why it has become something valued for people today in the first place. Almost all things deemed as “good” or “moral” are altruistic actions, and realizing that they have emerged organically and gradually through group dynamics explains almost all of it. There are no moral systems on the face of the Earth that have gained serious traction that praise anti-social values. This is because traditional systems of morality were based on survival requirements and group needs. >In this day and age, those who maintain honesty are far superior to their distant ancestors. I don’t know. It’s possible that it has become more of an instinct over time, but neither do I think that there was a state really ever where humans were isolated social atoms who gradually drifted together and were “forced” to adopt certain ways of behavior to survivor. I don’t believe in any sort of Hobbesian state of nature like that, but rather realize that humans being social animals is something universal that there has been evidence for going back thousands and thousands of years. I believe that they already had many of these behaviors as a sort of second nature already, at least towards their in-group.
A short but good video that has some excerpts from a speech by some Native American elder. Interestingly his characterization of Natural Law at the beginning was identical to what people talk about here. https://youtu.be/kxT9DWWNGGE
Does anyone have resources on low/high frequency noise pollution? It's noted in almost every study I've read that most people loose their high frequency hearing during their lives, and only a fraction of people are consciously aware of low frequency sounds- What are the effects of it on humans and animals? I find the low frequency noises unsettling and unnatural. This topic gets shut down because it's contrary to 'environmentalists' who want to build wind farms everywhere instead of just using less power. Someone shows up talking about aliens and the whole subject is dismissed by the general public.
>>18862 >Maybe it's because you're ignorant and don't know how to think outside of the post other than shilling technology and blaming Jews? I don't see why since again mid-last-century and even slightly earlier Nazi Germany proved that with the good mind and good culture, all the failures you accuse modernity of are in fact only the consequence of Jewish scheming, and this is also due to the fact that as this rise of technology being fairly new in our history, we didn't properly think it out and envision the material and social issues that could be created without being careful enough. But again, a proper mindset prevents the temptations. You judge technology so harshly without acknowledging how we are constantly deprived of any meaningful control over it. Nobody argued that because a given technological type could exist that it would have to be used and pushed everywhere, without regards for human health and societal stability. There are practical positive uses of plastic. It does not mean we have to use it for about everything. > Industralization was invented for the sole reason to increase profit, centralization, dysgenic and urbanization, thus why technology was needed to this, because without it do you really think that they would of been successful? You try to make it sound as if extracting tin back during the Roman age, or building forts, castles, temples and cathedrals was toil free. I also acknowledge that the industrialization we got served with was not the only way towards this new form of life. Back then, the ancient mindset proper to kingdoms had already given room to masonic variants of enlightenment and the rise of the merchant class. Little to nothing was done to preserve and respect human life. Besides, let's put an end to this crypto-communist game of claiming that profit is the ultimate demon and let's not forget how profit and plunder were powerful driving forces of ancient times too. >To say that people from the 30s, 40s and 50,s weren't different from those before the industrial revolution is a lie, because ideas such as fascism and anti-tech movements rose around those times for that reason Anti-tech had nothing to with Fascism. Fascism, very early on, embraced technology through two movements, one of which I forget the name right now and the other which was even more extreme in Futurism. So reading eco-fascism today sounds nearly as absurd as reading nazbol. Fascism is not just about being extreme in politics. >the people during these times were mostly bluepilled and just went by what they accepted as the new way of living, because of what industrialization was leading into. True, like always. By then it were the merchants and bankers who were already giving orders.
>>18877 >The benefits to the group that honesty brings is the reason why it has become something valued for people today in the first place. Almost all things deemed as “good” or “moral” are altruistic actions, and realizing that they have emerged organically and gradually through group dynamics explains almost all of it. There are no moral systems on the face of the Earth that have gained serious traction that praise anti-social values. This is because traditional systems of morality were based on survival requirements and group needs. Which would then prove the immutable and constant value of honesty throughout the ages. Back then, in distant times, it wasn't that it had a greater value, it's just that the people had less of a choice. Great liberties are greater power, but require greater responsibilities. But I can totally understand why some people would long for such a simpler life, straightforward. >I don’t know. It’s possible that it has become more of an instinct over time, but neither do I think that there was a state really ever where humans were isolated social atoms who gradually drifted together and were “forced” to adopt certain ways of behavior to survivor. I don’t believe in any sort of Hobbesian state of nature like that, but rather realize that humans being social animals is something universal that there has been evidence for going back thousands and thousands of years. I believe that they already had many of these behaviors as a sort of second nature already, at least towards their in-group. Yes, honesty within the group is obviously preferable for its stability and long term survival. It would however be suicidal if openly used towards unknown people, strangers. There is a similarity in not giving it so easily back then, when striving for the survival of your clan, as today to maintain privacy. Commoditized and now undervalued by design, the family is attacked and divided on purpose and with it, the necessary in-group honesty is subverted. It's for example a staple of the Stasi and we're seeing some of this with the Covid lockdowns.
>>18902 >I don't see why since again mid-last-century and even slightly earlier Nazi Germany proved that with the good mind and good culture >Nazi normalfag You act as if Germany didn't have any technological restrictions or didn't lose because they weren't bad tech dependant as GB and the USA, who were able to out produce Germany causing their defeat. The same two countries who are rapidly in decline and destroyed their environments before and after WW2. All you're here to do is shill you're larp that no one is willing to participate in other than kikes and retards who think that Warhammer 40k is a dream that will be accomplished and come true. >You try to make it sound as if extracting tin back during the Roman age, or building forts, castles, temples and cathedrals was toil free The Romans also rapidly destroyed their environments from rapid urbanized, which lead to depopulation of their wolf population, the symbol of Rome along with some of their environments transforming to soulless husks. The Romans cucked themselves out trying to maximize production and bring a high population within Italy. This attempt to do so, lead to disease entering within the mainland of Italy and killing a significant amount of the population and this all due to urbanization and the desire for more tech to be used to increase their material gains. >Anti-tech had nothing to with Fascism You're a retard, it seems you're trying to completely deny the influences the older fascist philosophers and men like Nitschze, Spengler and Evola criticizing technics. If fascists do not attack and criticize the very thing that lead to modernism today, then we are forever doomed to repeat the same mistakes we've done a thousand years ago.
>>18903 Hmm I think we agree more than I thought. >>18902 >Anti-tech had nothing to with Fascism Wrong.The other anon already pointed out Spengler's criticism of technics, and we can see thought and ideas critical of industrialism and its destruction in the philosophies and thought of many fascist-esque thinkers. Especially in the case of National Socialism, one cannot underestimate the influence of Romanticism in its formation and popularity. Romanticism is all about rejecting the soulless, rationalized, materialistic world created by industrialization, mechanistic science and the Enlightenment, for a focus on Nature.It was in this milieu that the first environmental protection measures were taken, and that modern ideas like organicism, evolution, holistic thinking, neo-paganism and the like sprung up. > Fascism, very early on, embraced technology through two movements Technophilia is not intrinsic to Fascism. Read the pic I have teached from Giovanni Gentile. Jews will destroy the entire planet if they are not stopped, or if not them, Nature will still be turned into a grey, materialistic hellscape full of billions of subhuman consumers eating artificial meat and unable to survive in any extent without complex organization and supply chains. The ultimate slaves. >So reading eco-fascism today sounds nearly as absurd as reading nazbol. Ecofascism in truth is merely National Socialism by another name. It's redundant for anyone who truly grasps the essence of National Socialism. Decades before the term Ecofascism was ever coined, National Socialists like Savitri Devi were basically preaching Ecofascism in books like The Impeachment of Man and The Lightning and the Sun. The former was written immediately after WWII, and the latter in 1958, which really goes to show how far these sort of thoughts go back. >>18899 I will have to look into this soon.
>>18192 >Native American elder Since when natives were redpilled?
>>18953 It's probably a healthy mix of redpill and bluepill, I'd say. I don't know much about the guy talking in the speech though to say anything in particular about him. The channel that I took that video is from is a good example of this same phenomena. They will drop a lot of 'truth bombs' about materialism, greed, environmentalism, consciousness and the like, but it is often diluted by the presence of feel-good New Age rhetoric.
>>18915 >You act as if Germany didn't have any technological restrictions Fairly tame in comparison to the technological developments. What will be your next claim? Germany wasn't invested massively into research, wasn't paving the way to space exploration on its own singular power? In what kind of alternate reality are you living exactly? >GB and the USA >rapidly in decline and destroyed their environments before and after WW2. The fuck are you on? There is definitely a little pollution problem in some places, nothing that couldn't be reversed with proper laws, but overall our countries are very far from being destroyed even today. Then, to complete this, we see that Germany is in decline, so is Italy, France, Sweden, etc. "Victors" and vanquished alike know the same fate. You think it is because of technology, I think it's because of Jews and our inability to have remained true to ancient principles of a begone age of which we have but faint memories. I simply do not share your belief in a limitation of all Whites. I say we can master a higher form of civilization. >All you're here to do is shill Shilling for what we know we have achieved free of alien influences? Yes, absolutely! >other than kikes and retards who think that Warhammer 40k is a dream that will be accomplished and come true. Yet most ancients myths, legends and chronologies speak of great battles, strange devices and Gods. Call that a leap of faith but I believe there is much more to us than simply locking ourselves up into a way of life barely above that of the hunter gatherer + a stove. >Romans Were not perfect. Their overpopulation was principally caused by an endless introduction of slaves which they took from all the lands they conquered and beyond. They got complacent and were corrupted. Yet not everything they did deserves to be mocked. Then Rome fell and we moved on. People still had money, merchants still wandered, large cities became built elsewhere but in places where slavery was not so rampant or simply close to null. > This attempt to do so, lead to disease entering within the mainland of Italy and killing a significant amount of the population and this all due to urbanization and the desire for more tech to be used to increase their material gains. Issues already solved by a higher level of technology. There is also a price to pay to evolution of society but you think it should always happen cleanly, smoothly, because any form of pain endured by a people scares the shit out of you. >it seems you're trying to completely deny the influences the older fascist philosophers No, you can actually look into the roots of Fascism. A smart critique of the risks of technics is more than welcome, but show me where they stood in favour of a near complete rejection of technological advances. > If fascists do not attack and criticize the very thing that lead to modernism today, then we are forever doomed to repeat the same mistakes we've done a thousand years ago. Modernism is a large part the consequence of unprincipled revolutions and a complete disregard for the well being of the people and a sound racial realism.
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>>19001 > our inability to have remained true to ancient principles of a begone age That is the exact reason why people have embraced bugman science, materialism and by extension modern technology. >Shilling for what we know we have achieved free of alien influences? Yes, absolutely! No one denies that many forms of technology are feats of engineering and products of White genius, but they have brought more problems than they have fixed by almost a hundredfold. Only a retard keeps doing something that is quite obviously destroying the planet and his own kind when shown incontrovertible proof of the problem and its causes. The solution is not to cry out 'WE NEED MORE TECHNOLOGY TO FIX TECHNOLOGICAL PROBLEMS'. The further human society attempts to seperate itself from Nature and her laws, the more degenerate and depraved we become, and the more arrogant. It should also be remembered that it was Whites too who first realized that they had created a monster, who campaigned for the protection of the environment, animals and Nature and longed for the pre-Industrial world. Technophiliacs sacrifice long-term prosperity for short-term pleasures, efficiency and materialism. " >Yet most ancients myths, legends and chronologies speak of great battles, strange devices and Gods. Call that a leap of faith but I believe there is much more to us than simply locking ourselves up into a way of life barely above that of the hunter gatherer + a stove. Strange devices in myths and legends are hardly likely to mechanical technology similar to anything that we use on Earth today. This can be seen with vimanas. They were not built in factories, they could be created through extremely adept use of spiritual powers and summoned through yoga. Also, gods actually exist, it is no misunderstanding of space aliens visiting Earth and being worshiped as if they were gods >Issues already solved by a higher level of technology "Trust me bro" >There is also a price to pay to evolution of society Ouch, your nose almost poked my eye out. Which way White man?
>>19001 >Germany wasn't invested massively into research, wasn't paving the way to space exploration on its own singular power? Germany was interested in using whatever could help them win the war agaisnt international Jewry this has nothing to do with futurism and advancing tech just because. >The fuck are you on? There is definitely a little pollution problem in some places, nothing that couldn't be reversed with proper laws, Lol you sound naive, give me an example of these laws that will easily solve these problems. Not even the supposed greenest countries in the world who are high tech are green. >You think it is because of technology, I think it's because of Jews No I know it's technology, you think it's Jews because you want a foolish excuse to use technology probably, because you're a coward and afraid of acknowledging possibilities and bring forth a world that doesn't require tech and destruction of environments. Blaming the Jews is moronic, because even before the tech revolution we can here examples of the Greeks that technology was destroying nature, that's during a time before the kikes took over everything. >Yet most ancients myths, legends and chronologies speak of great battles, strange devices and Gods. But those myths and legends and chronologies also warn us to preserve what has provided us life as well. Some secret tech doesn't mean anything, because the myths don't talk about how Aryans should pollute our air to built weapons of war. >Were not perfect. Their overpopulation was principally caused by an endless introduction of slaves Overpopulation was caused by the Romans using new farming methods and tools within certain areas in mainland Italy and most food of the production also coming from the Egyptian Nile and Sicily. This allowed the Romans to import millions of grain within their cities across the Empire and thus this lead to overpopulation. Mm This isn't caused by slavery it's caused by overpopulation from their high-birth rates as well. This in the long wrong also brought many environments within Italy to become damaged and possibly souless husks and bring about diseases and health issues such as air pollution and improper sanitation. >Issues already solved by a higher level of technology. Lol no it isn't stop lying buddy, diseases such as the Spanish Flu, Small Pox, Strokes were never solved and/or been increasing these past years in numbers of infections or cause of deaths. Next you'll say that Africa suffering the state it is today is due to the lack of technology and not the west giving them things that they didn't need whatsoever. Higher tech and urbanization causes these problems and are causing more issues today. You're not even speaking on realistic terms, but going in full shill mode. >No, you can actually look into the roots of Fascism. The roots of fascism was romanticism, which was very anti-tech, so you're not even making sense here. >A smart critique of the risks of technics is more than welcome, but show me where they stood in favour of a near complete rejection of technological advances. >The modern philosophers, “are these still human beings, one then asks oneself, or only machines that think, write and talk”? — Friedrich Nietzsche Nietschze is one of them, although it's not know if the earliest fascists were anti-tech or not, although if they weren't it doesn't mean anything, you're not supposed to take what someone says or thinks as full truth just because they created fascism. >Modernism is a large part the consequence of unprincipled revolutions Modernism is a consequence of rapid and ungodly materialism being forced and placed on this world. Unprincipled or not, to think that industrial farming would of been put to better use if it weren't used by kikes is moronic.
>>19004 Your limiting conceptualization of any form of modern technology is so skewed that you immediately associate it with typical cyberpunk-tier memes. It is that banal. >That is the exact reason why people have embraced bugman science, materialism and by extension modern technology. Bugman science as you call it is White science we gave for free for the most part. Technology does not imply materialism. Modern technology as you think of it is (((warped))) technology. >No one denies that many forms of technology are feats of engineering and products of White genius, but they have brought more problems than they have fixed by almost a hundredfold. No. They just made the problems more obvious. Mortal diseases and full on invasions were just as true three thousand years ago as they are now. Corruption isn't a new thing either. Medias in our hands would be a formidable tool of pro-White propaganda. Yesterday, that was the Church's job and because of an absence of books or internet, there were even less you could do if this Church's religion was absolute garbage. >Only a retard keeps doing something that is quite obviously destroying the planet It destroys parts of the planet because too many people use too much of it, largely without concern for their own safety and the quality of the ecosystem. Again, the greatest polluters are not Whites, far from it, and we are not allowed to curtail the most polluting aspects of our industries because of our corrupt elites. It would actually take very little with a strong power mindful of the environment to constrain companies to get their shit together, literally. >The solution is not to cry out 'WE NEED MORE TECHNOLOGY TO FIX TECHNOLOGICAL PROBLEMS'. This is so not my point. >The further human society attempts to seperate itself from Nature and her laws, the more degenerate and depraved we become, and the more arrogant. You could be fighting with laser swords, railguns and power armour and still stick 100% to said laws. You go along with one of the most silly false dilemmas I've seen ITT. > It should also be remembered that it was Whites too who first realized that they had created a monster, who campaigned for the protection of the environment, animals and Nature and longed for the pre-Industrial world. And there is definitely a room for them. I totally respect people wanting this way of life and I'm absolute certain of the necessity to protect the environment so that these people can enjoy this way of life. But their preferences need not apply to the entire population. >>Issues already solved by a higher level of technology >"Trust me bro" Clever counter. History agrees with me though. Advances in technology provide better ways towards sanitation of public areas for example. >Ouch, your nose almost poked my eye out. Wait. I thought you were against using the Jew argument? Riddle me this, oh wise one: if uranium, iron and tin are shite, why were they even created to begin with? and isn't it the proof that Nature is dirty too?
>>19182 >Bugman science as you call it is White science we gave for free for the most part. >Technology does not imply materialism. You don’t know what materialism is, obviously, because in the sense I am using it I mean the idea that the sense that matter is the fundamental thing in the world and that everything is physical / material, not “an attitude where people consume and accumulate goods” – though that is one definition. Science as it is today is absolutely bugman-tier science which has degenerated into little more than a control tool for ZOG. The current scientific paradigm may have originated in the minds of White scientists, but fortunately we are on the verge of moving back to the views of White scientists who came before them who had different understandings of the world rather than what is prevailing today. The cracks are already there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism >Mortal diseases and full on invasions were just as true three thousand years ago as they are now. Corruption isn't a new thing either. Was never stated. >Medias in our hands would be a formidable tool of pro-White propaganda. Was not denied. >Again, the greatest polluters are not Whites, far from it Only partially true. China is the greatest polluter, and India is up there, but America and Russia are greater polluters than India. And when we look at it from other angles we can see that America, Canada and other countries are among the most wasteful countries on the planet—which should surprise no one given how the Western lifestyle is. >You could be fighting with laser swords, railguns and power armour and still stick 100% to said laws Laws of Nature are not breakable. You destroy yourself when you attempt to act counter to them. >and we are not allowed to curtail the most polluting aspects of our industries because of our corrupt elites So why do they shill for “green” solutions constantly? Clearly they want to attempt to preserve the current system while making it as clean and efficient as possible. Their shekels will stop flowing if they (1) dismantle the system for the long-term good of humanity, or (2) are faced with a complete collapse. >But their preferences need not apply to the entire population. Yeah, and the majority of the population will take the the route of least effort and continue to be consumer subhumans who multiply and shit up everything else >Advances in technology provide better ways towards sanitation of public areas for example. Is this your only example? Cities are utterly filthy with air, light and noise and horrible for mental, physical and spiritual health. Plus sanitation is not without its drawbacks as well. The immune systems of most Westerners today are utterly compromised by oversanitation. >Riddle me this, oh wise one: if uranium, iron and tin are shite, why were they even created to begin with? and isn't it the proof that Nature is dirty too? Created? Are you implying these elements were created by some sort of conscious act? I certainly don’t believe that.
>>19182 What you seek is Archaeo-Futurism, which most here already subscribe to it.
>>18953 People with primitive ways of life who are incapable of anything greater will roll themselves up into tailor made rules presented as virtues and lecture Whites on all our wrongdoings. I wish they were illiterate negroes*, there, they could not even begin to pretend getting philosophical about their vaunted superior condition. * fuck you to the auto corrector for insisting to put a capital N. >>18921 >Wrong.The other anon already pointed out Spengler's criticism of technics, and we can see thought and ideas critical of industrialism and its destruction in the philosophies and thought of many fascist-esque thinkers. Especially in the case of National Socialism, one cannot underestimate the influence of Romanticism in its formation and popularity. Romanticism is all about rejecting the soulless, rationalized, materialistic world created by industrialization, mechanistic science and the Enlightenment, for a focus on Nature No, that's alternate reality you're thinking of. In our history national socialists were certainly concerned for a protection of Nature, but they were very far from dropping the industrialization. They simply put it on a leash and took it even more grandiose directions. >Technophilia is not intrinsic to Fascism. Because of its multitude of forms, it was well supported. Italy went for it, England hardly argued about destroying its mercantile and industrial empire either. >Read the pic I have teached from Giovanni Gentile. It says nothing about technology. What it says, as we already know, is that it was a growing, complex and mutating movement. And who are we kidding here, with the later Italian Fascism and its Roman appeal and the return to a past glory that put it at odds with the stronger tumultuous revolutionary forces that were of such a leftist bent? The idea that Fascism was mainly concerned with tradition, green pastures and the past is simply wrong through and thorough. A form it, late, came to be of that essence, yet it never for as far as I've seen, rejected true progress. Only a bunch of old men, seething at the defeat of their cherished multiform ideology, started to blame modernity as the source of all illnesses.
>>18921 We use labels such as cultural marxism, which remains as inelegant as it ever was, and we scoff at the naivety of antifas who think they're targeting fascists when pointing fingers at banks, IT giants and Big Pharma, while forgetting the not so distant similarities that existed between early fascism and some strong, paradoxal and perhaps even at times illogical interest for all forms of new technologies, in a way not so different than what is seen today and standing behind the globalists' Great Reset and could even find a moderate echo in calls for transhumanism, which should really make one hang a moment. Now, it seems current Fascism, at least as conceptualized here, has settled into a comfy and balanced spot that firmly stands between both realistic romanticism as protection of wilderness, heritage and history, and an unflinching hope in mastering the advanced tools of tomorrow. You wish all the roots of Fascism tapped into pools of clear water but for some of them the fluidity of their original milieu had the consistency of swamp mud, for many contradictory currents were stirred in the primitive pot of Fascism: hardcore socialism, imperialistic capitalism and quite degenerate art forms. Ecofascism is such a misnommer when it should have been ecoromanticism (the latter of the German type), perhaps a tautology only meant to cement the obsessive focus on the purity of the wilderness at the expense of any other human achievement, good or bad. Because it would reduce mankind to smaller ancient units, you could call it ecotribalism I guess or ecoclanism. The fascism penned by some writers during the post-war period is certainly at odds with a good part of its initial identity. But I'm fine with this since in all honesty, there was a lot of slag to get rid of and the anti-bourgeois criticism was well deserved as a class that thought it was worthy of more than merely being the upper layer of the working class. I'll condense things here by saying that Evola thought fascism in Italy was a tormented concept, either misunderstood, noisy, chaotic, badly handled by largely incompetent people. But older Evola also got further influenced by people who rejected the world at large with very little subtlety, right? >Jews will destroy the entire planet if they are not stopped If they stick to the prophetized end times of their Torah, they might very well attempt to process forth the conditions necessary for the holocaust of the entire world, be it with nuclear bombs or asteroids. It would require of them to be already capable of moving underground or stay afloat in space until the atmosphere would settle down, which could take a long long time. The rise of transhumanism is not something to be neglected as irrelevant in this context. On the other hand, it takes a lot to destroy a world, so they might "just" turn it into something very unpleasant. >Ecofascism in truth is merely National Socialism by another name Certainly not. Or you have a moderate conception of this ecological radicalism advocated for here. >Savitri Devi She liked the Jesus figure, thought the Hindus were a beautiful people and even married one. Plus some of her writings read more like wishful thinking and fan fiction, although she also made very strong points in her major books. Let's not forget that she wasn't leaving out the need to blast this entire world with our entire nuclear arsenal if we could not have it for ourselves, Skynet style, which might have not escaped you, is only possible with technology that didn't even exist during WWII (the weapons used on Japan are simply not powerful enough for that and their deployment was nothing more than a mere old school bombing).
>>19182 >Clever counter. History agrees with me though This is a cute way of saying "I don't actually know". Technology didn't solve our cases and issues with disease this a delusion you are trying to sell. >Bugman science as you call it is White science Listen long nose, there's nothing White about telling autistic children they can change their gender or have no gender, or lying about how niggers are genetically superior despite being the opposite case, or causing depression, anxiety, and other mental diseases by creating souless cities filled with nothing, but machines, street lights, the worst of humanity, and unclean air, or doctors recommending you to take pills instead of creating a healthy and social environment. Whether science is White or not you're not grasping the point that even Whites can make mistakes. At this point you're basically defending Judaism and convincing us that futurism will only lead us back to Jews ruling the world again.
>>19306 >Plus some of her writings read more like wishful thinking and fan fiction, Lol that's funny coming from a dude who thinks "Star Trek is realz guise!" Maybe you should go away and play mechas and science fiction in space somewhere else instead of here.
>>19054 >Germany was interested in using whatever could help them win the war agaisnt international Jewry this has nothing to do with futurism and advancing tech just because. They didn't wait for the war to push the technologies. I also very much doubt they'd have abandoned it after the war if they had won. Please educate yourself. >Lol you sound naive, give me an example of these laws that will easily solve these problems. Not even the supposed greenest countries in the world who are high tech are green. Considering how anything more advanced than a wood cabin already becomes ungreen and polluting, I honestly wouldn't even know where to start from with you. >No I know it's technology, you think it's Jews because you want a foolish excuse to use technology probably I don't need foolish excuses, but it certainly takes a big fool like you to be so blind as not to see how any technology today is perverted by greed and Jews to dominate this world. You accused me of being a Jew but you are the one who keeps denying any Jewish plan or influence, pushing instead of a complete regression and caveman-tier ecology while Israel will be sending the latest batch of Boston Dynamics killer bots to exterminate you. >because you're a coward and afraid of acknowledging possibilities and bring forth a world that doesn't require tech and destruction of environments. Any form of human activity is about transformation of the environment, hence destruction, manipulation and creation. Nobody said we validated the wholesale destruction of entire environments. I think you're reading too much into the globalists' tales of massive pollution caused by our industries that's at the core of the Great Reset. Again, that's very sketchy coming from you. 1. Denying Jewish manipulation. 2. Recyling globalists claims. This just comes on top of your absurd claim of our entire countries being destroyed. I never thought something like a green snowflake would ever exist. Literally Green Fragility. >Blaming the Jews is moronic You've done a poor job proving this though. >because even before the tech revolution we can here examples of the Greeks that technology was destroying nature Not all Greeks did that and then again your point is borderline misanthropic. What next? White people make too many babies? We should breathe less? If we follow you and your quite asanine generalizations, we should go back to a way of life even anterior to classic Greece. If I were you I'd cut straight to the case and pray for a new flood. Maybe with some chance you'll land on some island and eat coconut milk for the remainder of your days. >But those myths and legends and chronologies also warn us to preserve what has provided us life as well. Again, get out of your basement and you'll notice that this planet is for the most part in a very good shape, especially in our areas. Our industries are relatively clean especially in comparison to the other ones in Africa or Asia, yet we could do much better if we could subdue the industrialists to respect proper rules. They are barely constrained by any such rules today. >Some secret tech doesn't mean anything, because the myths don't talk about how Aryans should pollute our air to built weapons of war. Most of the atmospheric pollution was a derivative of carbon-something. In other words, largely harmless for nature. Perhaps people would not be depending so much on transportation if the economy wasn't so biased into forcing people to cover large distance to collect their miserable wages. I'm all in favour of ancient crafts too. >Overpopulation was caused by the Romans using new farming methods and tools within certain areas in mainland Italy and most food of the production also coming from the Egyptian Nile and Sicily. That's how you explain overpopulation, denying the very immigration that even some Roman patricians at some point were lamenting about? The cultivation techniques were certainly not forgotten after Rome. The big difference between Rome and so many medieval cities and towns was in the levels of immigration. Someone here, perhaps you, pointed out how dirty Rome was. What does logic says? Filth leads to bad health and death. You cannot have both overpopulation and terrible lifespans, unless you're a nigger, a pajeet, a latino, a camel fucker or a chink. For some reason these people seem to lust even more when surrounded by shit. Now look at Europe for example. Remove all the skitskins and ricerolls and there's plenty of land! > This allowed the Romans to import millions of grain within their cities across the Empire and thus this lead to overpopulation. Oh I guess they were all fat like burgers now. One does not need to import so much food if your population has a typical White growth: slow. You need to look into why there were so many new mouths to feed. >Mm This isn't caused by slavery it's caused by overpopulation from their high-birth rates as well. >read: non-Whites slaves didn't have high-birth rates Reality? Whites do not have such natural high reproduction rates. Look, in fact, Ch
>>19305 > In our history national socialists were certainly concerned for a protection of Nature, but they were very far from dropping the industrialization. They simply put it on a leash and took it even more grandiose directions. They very clearly did not "put it on a leash"——given what they had to do to prepare for war. Unfortunately, many of their environmental protection measures were unable to be actualized to the fullest percent possible, largely due to the needs of total war. >It says nothing about technology. What it says, as we already know, is that it was a growing, complex and mutating movement. "Was"?——is. Fascism is dynamic. As is written here, Fascists do not hesitate to reject as inadequate things or mindsets which have been clearly demonstrated by the evidence or experience to be harmful or not in the bests interests of the movement or our people. >>19306 >She liked the Jesus figure She just claimed that Jesus was a Man Above Time much like the Buddha and other otherworldly figures. She claimed that his true origin was unknown (likely due to the reports in the Talmud that Jesus was a mischling and from that of Celsus, who claims the exact same thing independently). And then in 'And Time Rolls On' she reiterates the same thing, and suggests that Jesus may been hijacked by Saul of Tarsus, similar to what Hitler said. She doesn't touch that much on Jesus, really. >She...even married one She was at risk of deportation when the war started for her pro-NS sentiments, so Mukherji proposed marriage for her to avoid this and to remain at liberty. She herself says it was a match based on cordial friendship and shared ideals, not a romantic one.
>>19310 >you are the one who keeps denying any Jewish plan or influence Modern technological society is a product of Jewish influence, get it through your head
>>19310 >You've done a poor job proving this though. You haven't done a job of proving that Jews are the reason for our modern society at all, all you've done is repeat yourself and speak of nonsense without any proof of your claims whatsoever. Dude it's time to either make a point and prove it or get over your futurist LARP.
>>19054 > Higher tech and urbanization causes these problems and are causing more issues today. You can live right in the middle of a higher tech environment, assuming a non-kiked one, and still eat and drink very healthily. Or you can go to Shanghai where even have a shower with tap water is advised against. Most of our oldest and large cities are built upon Roman-type systems and they have proved very robust in keeping our cities clean. We largely depend on the quality of the sewers, which we kept improving upon. >The roots of fascism was romanticism, which was very anti-tech, so you're not even making sense here. Again, how vastly incorrect. >>The modern philosophers, “are these still human beings, one then asks oneself, or only machines that think, write and talk”? >>— Friedrich Nietzsche Good, you did a bit of quotation mining and found an anti-android one that says nothing about being against post-medieval technology. I think you would find if offensive if I were to remind you that this quotation doesn't in the slightest support your point. Besides, he died in 1900. Fascism wasn't even an embryo of a thing at that time so he could hardly have defended it. So much for "fascist philosophers". At best you had influencing currents that might have radically clashed on ideals. >Nietschze is one of them Nope >although it's not know if the earliest fascists were anti-tech or not It actually is known. The quantity of information is considerable. >you're not supposed to take what someone says or thinks as full truth just because they created fascism What? That's like saying I shouldn't pay attention to Hitler's words to identify National Socialism. >Modernism is a consequence of rapid and ungodly materialism being forced and placed on this world As I said, yes, it did come too fast, and you're still to understand what kind of forces brought about this particular manifestation of the modernization of many of our civilizational tools. >Unprincipled or not, to think that industrial farming would of been put to better use if it weren't used by kikes is moronic. Industrial farming does not necessitate to kill the biosphere and pollute lands with poison. Cue (((Mosanto))).
Actually let me call you out on this pointy nose. >>19310 >Any form of human activity is about transformation of the environment, hence destruction, manipulation and creation Yup and technology accelerates that, at least you're able to understand that, but for some reason you're too retarded to understand that things like factories and machinery have literally brought more damage towards environments. This is the sad case of being 100-110 IQ. >Nobody said we validated the wholesale destruction of entire environments No but your ideas will further bring destruction of environments dude, it seems you're not willing to grasp the point that tech has gone so far to being destructive that we literally have to either cut all of it down or only use the ones that does minimal damage. Whether you're advocating or not doesn't matter, because the end result will still lead to what is happening today. > I think you're reading too much into the globalists' tales of massive pollution caused by our industries Dude you're so full of shit, it's a globalist tale it's reality dumbnuts. Globalists themselves encourage and own all of our industries, anything that relates to machinery or some form of advanced tech are owned and encouraged to being used by globalists. We already have attempts from these kikes to manipulate both prey and predators behavioral patterns and DNA to make them less of a threat to humanity, so they can make them completely submissive. How have we've been told a lie when globalists themselves are doing when they supposedly lie about and we hate them for? >1. Denying Jewish manipulation. >2. Recyling globalists claims. Lol nice strawman, but he didn't deny any Jewish works at all, as matter of fact you're very desperate to blame everything on the Jews without wanting Whites to correct and prevent themselves from repeating the same mistakes in the past that lead us to this hellish future. I'm fully convince that this is a CIA nigger trying to shill not even true Aryan futurism, but Judaic futurism on purpose. Globalists aren't encouraging any form of traditionalism or primitivism, but more "green" tech to counter the issue. Look at autistic Swede child and how she cries that scientists should be put in the hands of everything, the green parties in Europe all do the same as well. Crying kike and globalists doesn't make you not a kike. >I never thought something like a green snowflake would ever exist. Literally Green Fragility. Funny coming from the guy who hasn't made a single coherent argument and needs to throw petty strawmans at others to make them look bad like a faggot. Please cry more about how it's totally not industrialism, but the kikes, despite the fact that kikes wanted this future in the first place on purpose to create social, economical, and environmental changes to create the modernism that is today.
>>19307 Just excuse me if I remain convinced that the microscope has allowed us to better understand some aspects of the world and our biology, or that advanced medical tools and some chemicals have actually provided much respite to people who, ages ago, had to endure pain and even more suffering when exposed to the butchery of medical utensils. This is in no way meant to be understood as a call to forget about learning all that can be salvaged and recovered about the science of plants and vibrations. >Listen long nose, there's nothing White about telling autistic children they can change their gender or have no gender This is not my point and no what I understood about your "bugman science", which implied that Asian "science" was not taken from our academies. However, if you meant Jewish science, then you are right. >Whether science is White or not you're not grasping the point that even Whites can make mistakes Don't be such a concentrated retard. I never pretended we don't make mistakes. >At this point you're basically defending Judaism and convincing us that futurism will only lead us back to Jews ruling the world again. LOLWUT >>19308 >Lol that's funny coming from a dude who thinks "Star Trek is realz guise!" Excuse me? You certainly have no issue coming up with such blatant strawman arguments. >Maybe you should go away and play mechas and science fiction in space somewhere else instead of here. Sure, I'll let you to your sticks and stones. Try not to forget how to start a fire btw. >>19316 >>you are the one who keeps denying any Jewish plan or influence >Modern technological society is a product of Jewish influence, get it through your head I never denied that the current form is the result of Jewish influence. It is actually my whole point. Could you actually transcend your reading difficulties please? >>19328 >>You've done a poor job proving this though. >You haven't done a job of proving that Jews are the reason for our modern society at all, all you've done is repeat yourself and speak of nonsense without any proof of your claims whatsoever. Dude it's time to either make a point and prove it or get over your futurist LARP. Futurist LARP. You know what? I'm not sure there is any point discussing this any longer. I believe that there can be a world of advanced technology in a form radically different from what we're exposed to. You, on the contrary, think that all approaches to advanced industries lead to the same crooked, ill fated societies, as if 30s German and Italy had never existed, as if it were impossible to perhaps project an America wherein the suitable values of the 40s couldn't be associated to a healthy racial hygiene and Aryan culture. Yes, I'm probably an archeo-futurist of some sort, with an equal fascination for high technology at our service, concentrated in very controlled, contrated and few pristine advanced cities, and a strong defense of a majority of immense swathes of wilderness and modest towns which aside from a central community building of beautiful architecture cleverly hosting a hidden nexus of highly advanced technology, everything around would look absolutely pastoral as fuck. But who am I to dream?
>>19310 >One does not need to import so much food if your population has a typical White growth: slow. One does indeed need to import that much food when your city has over 300 hundred thousand to over one million inhabitants along with classical technology not being as advanced as it is today. Back then the food and growth of it was much smaller and didn't come in the same amount as it does even for a modern African country. The Romans didn't have a typical White growth that you proclaim and that only really exist in modern countries. Whites can reach high birth rates, especially in the case of Rome where they needed high births and encouraged it frequently due to their traditional culture and state propaganda. High imports and/or growths of food also contributes to this factor as well, thus why the Romans imported so much food. >>19333 >What? That's like saying I shouldn't pay attention to Hitler's words to identify National Socialism. When did Hitler ever identify technology and futurism with National Socialism? If anything the fascists today would be tech critical as Linkola, seeing how it leads to nihilism and creates a weakness that prevents man from evolving and becoming a master over their weaknesses.
>>19339 >LOLWUT Again proving my point, lol. >Futurist LARP. You know what? I'm not sure there is any point discussing this any longer. Thank god you're annoying and have nothing intelligent to say other than repeat yourself and make shit up. >I believe that there can be a world of advanced technology in a form radically different from what we're exposed to. Yup and you're 100 IQ for merely dreaming and shilling not thinking about what you're trying to justify. >You, on the contrary, think that all approaches to advanced industries lead to the same crooked, ill fated societies, Lol this is literally happening with Africa. >as if 30s German and Italy had never existed But 30s Germany and Italy were still tech critical and wouldn't want this future, thus why they fought agaisn't it. You're creating excuses for what is today by making stuff up and having no knowledge about industrialism and only responding with vague one lingers without explaining why you think we are wrong. It's almost like you're trying to make a dichotomy out of Green VS Grey, seeing that Green is stupid and unrealistic, but Grey is totally realistic and blaming it on one source will solve all our problems. >if it were impossible to perhaps project an America wherein the suitable values of the 40s couldn't be associated to a healthy racial hygiene and Aryan culture. But America was never healthy for the get-go, for America to become truly health would mean they would have to stop being plebian and reject Judaism, industrialism won't lead to a healthy culture with or without Aryanism, because Aryanism and especially true Aryanism rejects what creates a grey world. >But who am I to dream? Learn to dream in thought and not with your head inside your own asshole.
>>19339 >the current form This wasn't the point. The proliferation of technology is itself a form of Jewish denaturation and decadence, that was my point. White societies millennia ago had the capability to pursue these things, but they were healthy enough not to.
>>19344 >White societies millennia ago had the capability to pursue these things Europeans did not have differential calculus millennia ago for example, so this is false.
>>19364 There are examples of ancient steam engines and other mechanisms by Greeks and Romans. The point is that they did not apply their discoveries. It was purely intellectual and disinterested. The idea that everything has to be applied in society is very new and modern.
>>19310 >Again, get out of your basement and you'll notice that this planet is for the most part in a very good shape, especially in our areas. This could not be further from the truth. If I get out of my basement, and for as far as I can walk, I hear noisy traffic, I see massive amounts of light pollution to the extent that you can not even see the stars, the water sources are heavily pouted. No forests or wild nature, just concrete, billboards, and neon signs. If you travel outside of the city, every forest has been heavily logged, every field is toxic with industrial fertilizer and pesticides. >Our industries are relatively clean especially in comparison to the other ones in Africa or Asia The fact that it could be worse does not mean it is not terrible.
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>>19385 >I see massive amounts of light pollution to the extent that you can not even see the stars I've never even seen what the night sky looks like without light pollution. Even the pictures are breathtaking. I can't imagine it person.
>>19399 Many people have never seen the stars due to air and light pollution, it is a travesty against the commons. Governments simply do not consider this an issue and persist in keeping lights on all night and refuse to impose any kind of restrictions on major light polluters. It is the right of every human to enjoy and be connected with the environment, but these rights are trampled upon for even the most minor financial gain
>>19370 They did apply their discoveries though, they just didn't have an industrial base to do so efficiently. I agree that not everything that can be done must be done. But I think you are applying a misplaced romanticism of our ancestors being wise and not pursuing things when in reality they did not have the logistics to exploit it to a large scale anyways and that was a bigger limiting factor.
>>19418 Modern nations funnel billions of dollars into scientific research explicitly for finding new solutions and for applying the discoveries. There’s no disinterested science at work here—those in past may have occasionally applied specific inventions, but it was never a state-funded, goal-oriented enterprise as it is today. More than anything many of the so-called scientists in the past were schizos talking about sacred geometry and divine numbers than anything—it was mystical or born from curiosity rather than, as I said, any sort of state science astroturf. >>19409 It’s very unfortunate, and so easily dismissed (“hurr you just want a pretty sky!”). A great shame. I feel like many could have a completely different attitude towards life if only they were to look out into something like that each night. I need to go see it some time here soon.
>>19399 While I agree that more needs to be done to curtail light pollution let me say; I live in an area with relatively low light pollution and have tried astro-photography, 99% of pictures you see of the night sky are either long exposure, photo shopped or most likely both. Your eyes would never see that much light let alone those colours, no matter how dark of an area you go to or how adjusted your eyes get. Here is a rough idea of what you would see. Even with my telescope that I can see the 4 biggest moons of Jupiter with most of the sky is just black and stars are barely any brighter than the naked eye. But I am still sick of the fucking cities over 100 km away having bright bubbles over the horizon, so there needs to be something done about it.
>>19437 Whoops, forgot to merge layers in paint so it didn't upload.
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>>19438 Fucking retard merged layers but didn't rename the file so it was still a paint file rather than a png or jpg.
>>19437 >>19439 Still beautiful either way.
>>19441 Yeah, I just wanted to lower the city anon's expectations after looking at all the cool astro-photograhpy then goes out away from light pollution and is upset they don't see as much.
>>19471 >>19437 >>19439 Fuck, is all sky and space photography a fucking scam or what? NASA CGI, now this, etc. Slightly disappointing, though I am sure that the sky is definitely still far more beautiful without the light pollution. I would have been pretty disappointed if I had gone somewhere IRL to figure out that I wouldn't be able to see it like >>19399 with my naked eye.
>>19485 >is all sky and space photography a fucking scam or what? No, that's what it actually looks like, pictures from satellites like hubble are real but often edited to be more smooth or coloured as they are often compilation pictures of dozens of individuals or taken outside of visible spectrum. Astro-photography is technically real but its just that: a technicality. Due to the way cameras and eyes work all the light and colours present in >>19399 is real but that is because the camera's shutter is left open for a long time and collects many small packets of light and layers them on top of each other to become visible in the end picture. You can see the stars are all smeared because the exposure was probably a minute so the earth moved during making the light from the stars move on the static picture. Now the real issue is your eyes; you're retina is covered in photosensitive cells but they require a minimum stimulus to trigger. The light from distance or dim stars and nebulae is far too dim and further filtered by the atmosphere to the point that your eye's don't even detect the light despite it existing. You can see a band of the milky way in the sky but it is mostly White and far dimmer than that pic. You won't see reds or blues from a nebula but you will see many more stars, and if dark enough the band of the milky way. >though I am sure that the sky is definitely still far more beautiful without the light pollution It still is, I find the winter sky prettier (maybe the cold air lessens light diffraction) and some nights I'll just stare up for an hour. But just be warned photography is all about getting your attention, so they use all sorts of tricks or down right editing to make a more interesting or captivating photo. Just like a sculptor emphasizes certain aspects of the human form to convey a message or emotion photography involves a lot of manipulation to present a better image. I'll try taking some photos tonight to display what I mean since the moon is quite slim, as long as it's not too cold. I'm not great at photography and I still haven't figured out how to take good astronomy pictures yet but I'll try to get different results with different setting to show.
Thoughts on "Environmentally freindly" clothing? damn garb is like 50 dollars for a boring shirt. Seems like making your own threads or thrift store shopping is better for the environment. Also most of these brands are not deep ecology, most would denounce Linkola. >>1652 But due to that the Vaquita is becoming extinct. Which hopefully the cartel can sort it out. When it comes to it, the Chinks are really the cause of animal extinctions, hell, even the Pangolin is going extinct over there.
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>>19516 >Thoughts on "Environmentally freindly" clothing? I've never really heard of this before, but after searching around for a minute or two it looks like a massive scam, just look at some of the pics. I think what you proposed as an alternative would be better and more rewarding in the long-term with your talk of learning to make stuff oneself.

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