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The True History and Distribution of the White Race Blackshirt 10/30/2020 (Fri) 21:29:01 ID: df2e38 No.11770
ITT we gather and discuss information concerning the origins, history and hisortical distribution of the White race. This thread is not primarily about genetics, though it may play a small supplementary part, with due caution being afforded towards such information. Areas of Potential Discussion: >Where did Whites in ancient times live? How big of a percentage of the population were they? >Why does White Genocide seem to be something that has gone on for millennia rather than decades?
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I'm particularly curious about East Asia. There is a good deal of interesting evidence for Whites in modern day Xinjiang China, more specifically in the Tarim Basin. Even today some Uyghurs exhibit a look that is very similar to Aryans. The Tocharian Princes The first image was discovered in the Tarim Basin in a cave. The site I am looking at names this particular piece " Tocharian Princes". Tocharian was of course the Indo-European language of Xinjiang as well as the name for the people who inhabited this area at this time. Carbon dating (dubious as it can be) places the origin of this wall-painting to 432-538 CE. Compared to the other images on this page, their eyes are notably rounder, their skin lighter and their facial features, as hard as they are to make out, noticeably less Mongoloid. https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/mia/kizil.html Tarim Mummies Cherchen Man: >Like the rest of the Tarim Mummies, he is famous for European-like facial features and clothing [...] His height is estimated at 176–178 cm. His hair was "reddish brown flecked with grey, framing high cheekbones", he had an "aquiline" "long nose, full lips and a ginger beard", and was wearing "a red twill tunic" and leggings with a pattern resembling "tartan"
http://arno.daastol.com/history/NordicBronzeAge.html This talks about how it's possible how a Nordic civilization may have contributed to the Greeks. >>11772 If I'm correct I've heard that the Tocharians had some of their culture stolen from the chinks. I can't remember, what documentary or what conference it was, but someone had talked details about how a-lot of European culture heavily influenced the chink empire.
Genghis Khan and the Borjigin >Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century that most Borjigin ancestors of Genghis Khan were tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and bluish green-eyed, suggesting that the Genghis Khan’s male lineage had some Caucasoid-specific genetic features >He also said that Genghis Khan looked just like his ancestors, but Kublai Khan, his grandson, did not inherit his ancestor’s red hair, implying that the addition of Mongoloid-specific alleles for determining hair color to the genetic makeup of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was probably from the grandmother or mother of Kublai Khan, that is, the wife or daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622 Quoting Savitri Devi, who sourced from Harold Lamb: >Hoelun also told him of his ancestors, the Borjigin, the Blue-eyed heroes, sons of the legendary Blue-Wolf. “Their voices,” said she, “rolled as thunder in the mountains; their hands were as strong as bears’ paws — breaking men in two as easily as arrows. In winter nights, they slept naked by a fire of mighty trees, and they felt the sparks and embers that fell upon them no more than insect bites.” >His mother’s tales of the half-mythical Borjigin only stimulated in him the natural self-confidence which is the privilege of the strong. He too had blue eyes, like those ancestors who, visualised through Hoelun’s poetic speech, appeared as demi-gods. And his thick hair had the colour of fire. He too was a son of the Blue-Wolf. He set himself to his day to day task the hunt for food; and the watch against constant lurking danger — with increasing determination to snatch the best out of every circumstance, turning even the greatest set-backs to advantage.
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Dis bread gonna cross wiv fobidden fwinge archeology and you know it. >Gina's pyramids >4 complexes oriented in the likeness of Orion
>>11773 >a-lot of European culture heavily influenced the chink empire. Some Chinese monolithic tombs have engravings which bear a striking similarity with the Norse artistic style.
>>11778 And I forgot about the northern influence on Greece. Check this: https://ilionboken.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/where-did-the-events-in-the-iliad-and-odyssey-take-place/ >Someone who hasn’t made things easy for himself and who has thought about what Homer really says, about geography, climate, and other details, is the Italian nuclear physicist Felice Vinci. ... >The attacking Achaeans consist of a coalition of chieftains from different regions. They have flat-bottomed ships, which they pull far up on land in something resembling a large, coordinated raid. Similar to the descriptions of the Viking scholars Snorri Sturluson and Saxo Grammaticus. ... >The Italian Felice Vinci, who himself comes from the cultural cradle of the Mediterranean, has questioned whether the events in the Iliad and the Odyssey really took place in Greece. ... >Felice Vinci hasn’t used foolery; he has used two exact sciences as a starting point, climate and geography, and has used these to analyze where the events may actually have taken place. He has read, he has calculated, and he has measured. And among all the islands, sailing distances, and climate details, he has achieved a much better compliance when he places the Battle of Troy far up in the north instead of in Greece. More specifically around the coasts of the Baltic Sea and the North Sea. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/245164.The_Baltic_Origins_of_Homer_s_Epic_Tales There is some influence. I read something else on the topic of a northern input lately, perhaps on the asocial networks and iirc it mentioned digs in some Greek region that had "high" Scythian origins. I wish I could remember now, it's a few weeks old at most. We know that the Aryan types who invaded Greece came from the northern Caucasus area, which as you can see on a map, is an arrival point with the Volga that has been routinely used by Norse people (plus alt. Rus and Varangans) a long time after that. Whites had occupied this vast region for what seems to have been millennia before being definitely expelled perhaps 2500 years ago (might need checking). It could have been gradual but surely, the big Hun move probably concluded this transition. The Hyperborean Apollo probably remains the most obvious remnant of this cultural transfer. But when you look into other gods such as Athena and Poseidon, for the former we find roots of her cult in Lybia which themselves go back to where Poseidon's sources stand: the A name.
>>11777 If /xpol/ is based, /xfascist/ will be even better.
asha logos bitchute channel has a series about this, its more of a brief primer than anykind of comprehensive conclusive explanation. highly reccomend it.
>>11778 >Some Chinese monolithic tombs have engravings which bear a striking similarity with the Norse artistic style. Can you give me some examples, also I found this on Twatter. https://nitter.net/xujnx/status/1259364705853997056
>>11774 >lotsa Aryan DNA Genghis Khan >fucking mong rice blood Kublai Khant
>>11790 Damn I wish but if I ever cross the path of these pics I'll point to them here. Meanwhile, a look into ancient Chinese tombs with monolithic architecture might yield interesting results.
>>11793 It’s truly pernicious how they often attempt to use this picture of Kublai Khan to represent Genghis in light of this information. When I first read Savitri Devi’s account of Genghis Khan having blue eyes and red hair, I thought it was utter bullshit, but, digging deeper, I realized that there was potentially actually something to this. In fact the more I dig in general, the greater I see the influence of Aryans throughout world history, and the more the total irrelevancy of non-Whites becomes obvious. I’m sure by the end of this thread we will have all learned much more.
Muhammad: The Red-Headed White Man >Narrated Anas bin Malik: While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This White man reclining on his arm." The an then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib."... https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-1/Book-3/Hadith-63/ >Abu Tufail reported: I saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and there is one amongst the people of the earth who (are living at the present time and) had seen him except me. I said to him: How did you find him? He said: He had an elegant White color, and he was of an average height. https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-30/Hadith-5778/ >"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say the salam to his right so that the Whiteness of his cheek could be seen, and to his left so that the Whiteness of his cheek could be seen." https://sunnah.com/nasai/13/145 >The narrator Anas added that the Prophet (ﷺ) raised his hands (during the invocation) to such an extent that the Whiteness of his armpits was visible. >Ibn Mauhab also said that Um Salama had shown him the red hair of the Prophet. https://sunnah.com/bukhari/77/115 >`Uthman bin `Abdullah bin Mauhab said, "My people sent me with a bowl of water to Um Salama." Isra'il approximated three fingers ('indicating the small size of the container in which there was some hair of the Prophet. `Uthman added, "If any person suffered from evil eye or some other disease, he would send a vessel (containing water) to Um Salama. I looked into the container (that held the hair of the Prophet) and saw a few red hairs in it," https://sunnah.com/bukhari/77/113 Even to this day Mudslimes dye their beards red in imitation of their prophet
>>11810 Interesting, but I've also read theories and some articles that have claimed that Muhammad was a false prophet and was never real. The belief that the mudslime conquest into Persia wasn't that it was successfully taken it over by Arabs, but were invited and accepted into Persia to create social change just like Christianity was accepted and used for social change in Rome. So, I still remain skeptical of who Muhammad is and if he isn't just Arab propaganda to fetishize themselves.
>>11822 > that Muhammad was a false prophet and was never real I'm not a Christcuck, so I'm not really concerned with how legitimate of a prophet he was in the eyes of other Abrahamics, but in general I tend to think that Muhammad existed in some form. It makes more sense to me than the idea that this figure was completely fabricated and made up, contemporaries fell for it and believed it. It would also be strange for brown Arabs to make so many bizarre and obsessive references to the "Whiteness" of Muhammad if they were merely self-aggrandizing themselves when they themselves are brown shitskins. I'd be curious to see what if at all is in the tomb of Muhammad. This is one area where genetics would be interesting to see.
>we wuz kangs in the middle east and asia Why do we need this? We aren't like niggers whose race has nothing to show for itself, right?
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>>11828 We don't need it, it just turns out that it's true. Niggers wish they wuz kangzs, but we truly were kangz and the evidence ITT shows it.
>>11828 Believe it or not, there were Whites in the middle East. During the Neolithic within Mesopotamia, one of the settlements and cultures said to have built Sumer was called Samarra. There's a possibility it was with Europeans and have an a Indo-European name and some of there artifacts are said to have swatiskas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarra_culture
>>11830 It's true that the evidence for ancient Whites is stronger than that of kangs, but I still wonder what is to be gained from such research.
there are definitely White/aryan traits in Central Asia. also, the ancient Aryan völkerwanderung spread across Europe, Middle East, and South Asia; this is attested by the Indo-European language group, in which there are commonalities between languages like Greek and Sanskrit.
>>11833 Practically speaking, it doesn't provide us that much, that might be true. Is our whole world shaken to its core from learning such information? Not really, but it does give us a new perspective on the ancient world and what has been happening with Whites for the last several millennia now. For one thing, it further strengthens the claim that all higher civilization and technology above the most basic is seemingly the product of a White element within society, even if is very small. It also shows that many great, world-changing men were also White or half-breeds of some kind. Finally, and this is the most interesting, I think, it seems to indicate a millennia-long trend of White-inhabited regions becoming smaller and smaller. In the past we seem to have inhabited everywhere from the Ireland, the rim of the Mediterranean, the Iranian Plateau, the mountains of the Hindu Kush, the banks of the Ganges, the feet of the Himalayas, to the sands of the Tarim Basin if not even beyond. Outside of Europe itself, all of these were more or less mongrelized out of existence in most cases, except for some marginal cases in Iran, a tribe in Pakistan, and the occasional half-breed with a particularly Aryan-esque phenotype. While these declined for a strange reason, Whites in Europe itself thrived, and eventually conquered most of the globe, before again being besieged and subverted like never before with the current and ongoing Great Replacement.
>>11828 There's no shame in wuzzing. Wuzzers who back up their claims should be welcome and, as we will see, there's a fuck load of stuff to present here. It will takes months to make a decent thread.
>>11838 >Practically speaking, it doesn't provide us that much, that might be true. Is our whole world shaken to its core from learning such information? Not really, Woe thou! Jaded One! The implications are rather far reaching. It's a powerful bag of data to carry around when talking to normies, it provides a sense of uniqueness and importance that suddenly transcends their little life. They start realizing that while they're being taught to hate themselves about what Whites have accomplished in the last two centuries, we suddenly realize that Whites were literally in everyplace where civilization existed and that there's an ongoing real plan to silence us and hide this truth. Imagine the PRIDE gotten from such nuggets of truth! It grows inside them. Soon enough they want to know more, they want to be able to point their brewing hatred at some people with faces and names. When you combine this with the myths of White Gods who are found literally in all civilizations that left us impressive and mysterious ruins, you comprehend that you're part of something precious and very important. There's a cope-meme that's found on internet about these ruins and old temples that says something like that: "It's not because it wasn't done by Whites that it must be the aliens!!" If only they knew.
>>11857 The entire nonWhite world is going to be shaken to the core when they realise that Whites were around the world for some time and had influence in their own cultures. No seriously if there never was the biggest CUCKED moment, there soon will be.
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Genetic structure of a 2,500-year-old human population in China and its spatiotemporal change >Inconsistent with the geographical distribution, the 2,500-year-old Linzi population showed greater genetic similarity to present-day European populations than to present-day east Asian populations. The 2, 000-year-old Linzi population had features that were intermediate between the present-day European/2,500-year-old Linzi populations and the present-day east Asian populations. These relationships suggest the occurrence of drastic spatiotemporal changes in the genetic structure of Chinese people during the past 2,500 years. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10958855/ This in particular is something I think really needs explored. Usually when I say that some historical figure was possibly White, or that Whites inhabited some section of Asia, I’m usually imagining it to have in most cases been a ruling minority. But this is talking about the entire population. The main theory I have heard is that repeated incursions of Mongoloid barbarians over the centuries either displaced or mutted the original Chinese up until they became bugmen chinks.
>>11870 There was some interesting discussion in the Japan thread regarding Jōmon and Yayoi traits. It also came up that many of the elites in Japan, especially that we have photos on from the Meiji Era, are quite Europoid in appearance. >>11861 The average non-White today (just like most Whites) remains oblivious to these facts, but I feel that among some in academia, this is a known fact which must be touched very carefully. They go as far as to admit the existence mummies in places like China that have undeniably White phenotypes, and a few other subtle affirmations here and there that you really have to dig to find, but they obviously can’t let this get out and become general knowledge. For non-Whites too it obvious has bad implications, so the elites and people in academia in these societies actively cover it up and peddle lies. The chinks obviously are aware of the Tarim Basin mummies like Cherchen Man, or Yingpan Man, just as are Indians aware of the Aryan influence on their region. Indians, however, desperately try to downplay this by appealing to some Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, as if this was the peak of civilization. They will also deny invasions by Aryans, claiming that it was mere “immigration”, when their own Vedic scriptures testify that this was an Aryan war of conquest for Lebensraum >>11859. Their national ego would be permanently harmed if the truth came to light, and it will come to light.
> origins, history and hisortical distribution of the White race w­hit­es were the niggers of europe unless you count Roman, Greeks and similar. I don't mean this to be inflammatory. It's simply something that needs to be acknowledged in order to move forward. Until the conquest of the Roman Republic and Empire, the there was nothing of value there except a few shields.
>>11880 >w­hit­es were the niggers of europe unless you count Roman, Greeks and similar. Thats simply not true the Roamns themeselves came from the north and their own lore tells us this and does the gradual admission that interbreeding with the native mediterraneans and invading semite hordes weakened them >I don't mean this to be inflammatory. It's simply something that needs to be acknowledged in order to move forward. It does not need to be acknowledged for anything to happen, I would much rather live amnogst the "Whites" you call niggers than the "civilized Whites" you seem to idolize today >Until the conquest of the Roman Republic and Empire, the there was nothing of value there except a few shields. There was plenty of value in the Germanic lands to the north of Rome, why else would Rome attempt to conquer it and be repeatedly repelled such that Rome itself was devastated to a level that caused emperors to stop residing in the city, while claiming they did to maintain their power.
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>>11880 Even if they didn't have material civilization on the same level as Romans or Greeks, it is extremely unfair to deride them as "niggers". To focus on the Germanic peoples of that age in particular, even Roman writers like Tacitus acknowledge how noble and virtuous the Germanic people were. Higher civilization can be a good thing, but it can just as easily slip into degeneracy, denature its inhabitants and lead to far more that is bad than good. Also, unlike real niggers, Europeans in general have shown themselves in general can be seen to manifest the same Faustian spirit, and to pioneer in science and art of all kinds. If these people were niggers, the civilization of modernity is far, far, far more decadent in every single way, despite its flashy technology and efficiency.
>>11880 Hey there medcuck, still ass mad that you aren't credited for indo-European culture?
Does anyone have any info on Africans, and redskins having any European DNA?
>>11875 It's only really Indian nationalists that try to deny AIT. Most Indians just accept that it's part of their history same as us.
>>11906 Interesting. I knew Indian Nationalist / Hindutva types typically denied it, but I didn’t know this was commonly accepted nowadays. Based on what I have read from Savitri Devi’s experiences in India during the war, it certainly seemed that they were much more aware of their Aryan history than even most Whites were at the time. >>11905 The only two things that have to do with Whites in North America I can think of are the god Quetzalcoatl, who was often depicted as bearded with eyes when not in the form of a serpent, and the story of the Pahana among the Hopi, the “Lost White Brother”. Quetzalcoatl is especially interesting due to the fact that Cortés was first taken to be Quetzalcoatl, and because Quetzalcoatl was a god of learning, writing, books and priests. Concerning White inhabitants of North America and South America, I will have to dig more.
>>11779 >Someone who hasn’t made things easy for himself and who has thought about what Homer really says, about geography, climate, and other details, is the Italian nuclear physicist Felice Vinci. ... >The attacking Achaeans consist of a coalition of chieftains from different regions. They have flat-bottomed ships, which they pull far up on land in something resembling a large, coordinated raid. Similar to the descriptions of the Viking scholars Snorri Sturluson and Saxo Grammaticus. ... >The Italian Felice Vinci, who himself comes from the cultural cradle of the Mediterranean, has questioned whether the events in the Iliad and the Odyssey really took place in Greece. ...analyze where the events may actually have >Felice Vinci hasn’t used foolery; he has used two exact sciences as a starting point, climate and geography, and has used these to taken place. He has read, he has calculated, and he has measured. And among all the islands, sailing distances, and climate details, he has achieved a much better compliance when he places the Battle of Troy far up in the north instead of in Greece. More specifically around the coasts of the Baltic Sea and the North Sea. I'm convinced that St.Petersburg is Troy. The official history of that city is very shady, and from what I've gathered it was dug up from the swampy mud as the ruins of some ancient city.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX8ljqgNH10 New video from Asha Logos >>11911 This may be because of the fact that Israel and India has made close ties with each other.
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>>11880 Greeks and Italians were White and are still White. Additionally, other Europeans didn't sit in mudhuts while twirling their thumbs. Celts, for example, did establish cities like Heuneburg all over Europe. Compared to Greeks or Romans, yes they get dwarved, but you don't think of the Greeks and Romans as mediocre, do you? Sadly, wood does fades away better than the stone, they went down the same path like most medieval castles, built out of timber and disappeared. >>11874 3rd pic related. Observe Shandong itself and Manchuria, where many Shandong natives migrated to.
>>11927 >Israel and India Honestly Indians don't give a lot of shit about jews. And on topic, when you said that youre referring to the Indian nationalists who deny the Aryan Invasion Theory.
>>11938 The first picture was made by an anti-racist and the portraits are off, considering some of them look like they came straight from India. >>11941 This is wrong, Indians love Israel and they have much respect for them. If Indians didn't give a shit about them, then shit-skins wouldn't praise Israel so much. The kikes likely promoted Dravadian nationalism to we wuz kangz the Aryans who aren't anything like them.
>>11880 This sounds like something a cuckchanner would say, you're retarded, because Whites weren't primitive thinking whatsoever, watch Asha Logo's latest videos, because he explains how we were the exact opposite of primitive. The vikings are an example of those, who get called primitive and stupid by Christians and Jews, due to their past of raiding and pillaging their churches and swaying their women from them. Even though their entire religion is based off Hellenic, Celtic and Astaru art and traditions and early Christianity only appeased the lowest denominator of men during Rome, they dare call us primitive. They weren't niggers like dumbasses will project, because they can't distinguish the difference between a modern mudhut nor understand what mudhuts are used for in the first place. The Vikings were wise enough to understand things such as laws, trade, community, kin, and the importance of leadership. As soliders they usually had some of the best equipment at the time which made them a powerful and feared force throughout Europe. The Germans were able to kick the Romans out of Germany, the Frisians handed out constant defeats to the Romans, and the Goths ended their gay cosmopolitan bugmen empire and still later on the Germans throughout history are known for occupying Italy and sacking Rome over and over again just like their ancestors did during the antiquity. Whites being primitive is a modern lie.
>>11951 I’ve seen Arabs Whiter than some of those emperor’s portraits kek, fuck. Unfortunately Thuletide’s “correction” was not much better, since it fails to acknowledge the shifts that seem to have taken place in how many of the ancient Romans appeared.
>>11951 >The kikes likely promoted Dravadian nationalism to we wuz kangz the Aryans who aren't anything like them. Probably. But if there are Indians who chose to accept their fate as having Dravidian blood and not Aryan, props to them. Imagine living with an inferior status forever.
>>11958 For them, they do not see it as forever. With reincarnation in their minds, they realize that being a shitskin is a result of their sins, and that they will be reborn one day if they are lucky as Aryans. A much healthier mindset. https://www.savitridevi.org/hindudom.html
>>11974 >they will be reborn one day if they are lucky as Aryans. A much healthier mindset. The flip side is a lack of empathy and drive for improving the current condition. Devi talks about it in Impeachment of Man
The Wusun (烏孫) >According to Yan Shigu’s 顏師古 commentary on the Hanshu, ch. 96A “Among the various Rong in the Western Regions, the Wusun’s shape was the strangest; and the present barbarians who have blue eyes and red hair, and are like a macaque, belonged to the same race as the Wusun.” http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp080_saka_sai.pdf >Initially, when only a few number of skulls from Wusun territory were known, the Wusun were recognized as a Caucasoid people with slight Mongoloid admixture.Later, in a more thorough study by Soviet archaeologists of eighty-seven skulls of Zhetysu, the six skulls of the Wusun period were determined to be purely Caucasoid or close to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun
>>11874 >Linzi Quite importantly we have whitish people who are located on the far east side of China, which would prove a complete crossing over the entire country from west to east, or perhaps from a sea-based group going up the eastern shores. Once way or another, the median of both the Tarim people and the Linzi subgroup would strongly suggest that historically, there would have been influences of Whiter ways of thought primarily through the presence of Whites on both sides of this large country. Which therefore brings one to ponder the true origin of discoveries such as paper and powder, or even the construction of mighty ships in what was reported in advance of those of the Portuguese. >>11938 >height, north-east Seems to potentially tie into the area that, just over that piece of sea, would land into Ainu territory. What about the physical appearance though? Height isn't everything, I've seen very tall niggers too. >>11941 Current India does juicy business with Israel, against Pakistan and sometimes giving a cold shoulder to China too. China big friend of Israel too.
>>11954 I think it's the idea that if you didn't have a swimming pool you were primitive.
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>>12146 >Which therefore brings one to ponder the true origin of discoveries such as paper and powder, or even the construction of mighty ships in what was reported in advance of those of the Portuguese. Exactly what was I thinking myself. A cursory search on Wikipedia seems to suggest that papermaking was first done in China in the 2nd century B.C., well in the time frame where Europoid groups were living in Linzi some 2,500 years ago. Also important to note: > The earliest extant paper fragment was unearthed at Fangmatan in Gansu province, and was likely part of a map, dated to 179–141 BCE.[5] Fragments of paper have also been found at Dunhuang dated to 65 BCE and at Yumen pass, dated to 8 BCE Dunhuang, Yumen and and Fangmatan are "coincidentally" all in modern Gansu, the same province where it has been reported by chroniclers that blue eyed, red-haired "barbarians" lived, as seen in >>12048. This is quite eye-opening if we really stop and think about it.
>>12152 >Odious pro-White, Whitewashing, White-centrist and above all anti-non-White revisionism!!! Pure coincidence! Moving on! (Logic would suggest that there remained enough Whites in this area for smart things to happen.)
>>11874 This is going to be looooooong so sorry for the spam. Here comes a 2006 (!!) thread on Stormfront that talks about China. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t351070/ It seems there was another old thread they had but it's dead, if an archive exists or still lingers in some web cache, please link to it. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/chinas-caucasian-shaman-mummy-mystery-350555.html Here's how the OP (OdinPatrick) summarized some facts: >The Linzi(Zibo) population of 500 B.C genetically match up to present-day European populations. >The Current Day population in Zibo are genetically closest to the Mongols, Japanese, and Koreans. >Shandong Province, Linzi was in Central Shandong. >The 2,500-year-old Linzi population clusters with the present-day European populations: Icelander, German, Finnish,Welsh, and Portuguese. Oddly, no Russians. He goes on about the Whites in the Xinjiang's Tarim Basin and the Celtic mummies. We now know that for a long time these Whites were unmixed, then something happened. The following main question is when this started and how long it took to be complete? Tarim Basin DATE race(s) example(s) 2000 BC White Beauty of Loulan 1000 BC White Charchan Man 0 CE White Yingpan Man ....... ........ ........
>>12156 Poster OdinPatrick continues; >This leaves me with a burning question. > >Was Sun Tzu and Confucius White? > >They both lived around 500 BC, and in the Shandong Province. Just 90-120 km from the capital of the ancient Qi State - Linzi/Zibo. > >They were little known during their life, and their biographies, sculptures, and paintings were composed 600-1400 years after they died. Therefore, the people painting their image would have been Chinese, who probably didn't know that during 500 BC European people were the inhabitants of the Shandong Province. > >Confucius was a teacher who more than any other shaped Chinese culture. >Although little known in his lifetime, Confucius was revered as the greatest of sages throughout most of China's history. His teaching, Confucianism, was the state teaching from the beginning of the Han Dynasty in 202 BC to the end of the imperial period in 1911. > >The Art of War by Sun Tzu has been one of the most popular combat collections in history. Ancient Chinese have long viewed this book as one of the entrance test materials, and it is one of the most important collections of books in the Chinese literature. > >Just 90 km North of Qufu (Confucius' birth site), was Linzi, the ancient capital city. It was all White according to the oxford DNA study. This makes you think, if the Linzi inhabitants were drastically different from the rest of the province, wouldn't anybody write about this? That is why during the time of Confucius I believe all the people in Shandong were White, because you would think if Sun Tsu was Asian he would have amassed an army to kick out the foreigner from the State Capital right? You would think if Confucius or Mencius were Asian they would have mentioned the capital City being primarily inhabited by Icelanders! >Therefore, I can only assume that Confucius and Sun Tzu were White because the only Genetic Evidence in their birth province of Shandong shows the inhabitants were White during their life. If not White, at least highly likely to have had a considerable amount of White admixture.
>>12157 >This is from China's official website about Zibo(Linzi), the ancient capital of the Qi Empire. > >"Zibo, located in the middle of the Shandong Province, is a “comparatively big city” (with a) population of 4.13 million... Zibo has a long history and profound cultural heritage. The Linzi district was home to the ancient capital of the Qi State, making Zibo a famous historical and cultural city in China." > >The most famous cultural city in China is a White founded City! (ROFL smiley) > >Here is another site. > >Zibo was once the capital of the ancient Qi State, the most prosperous state during the Spring and Autumn and the Warring States Periods over 2,000 years ago in China. Two thousand six hundred and eighty years ago, Qi Huangong, emperor of the Qi State, appointed Guan Zhong, the famous thinker and economist, as his prime minister, and adopted Guan's thoughts and policies to administer his country, reform the economic system and develop relations with other states, After scores of years, the Qi State became the strongest state for its economic and military strength, and was named as the "state with one thousand chariots" and the "head of the five strongest states", The culture and education undertakings were rather developed in the Qi State. Both poetry and music were of high level. The much-told story about Confucian's "not knowing what meat smells like" while listening to the graceful music is a best proof to that. Linzi District remained its capital for as long as 638 years, and was them the biggest city in the then orient. >-----As the birthplace of the famous Qi Culture, Zibo has quite a number of cultural scenic spots. In the national city of history and culture, Linzi District, the ruins of the ancient Qi city, the pit for burying the funerary horses and chariots and other famous cultural relics and historic sites, have been discovered and unearthed. All of them exemplify the past prosperity of the Qi State. The ancient city of Qi, one of the first batch of cultural relics protection units, is rich in cultural relics and historical sites, and, therefore, has won the title of the "Underground Museum". > >http://www.sdbol.com/zibotoday/ga1.htm Personal opinion: It's possible that even the men's and women's names might have been partially or fully gooked centuries later, just like they completely gooked their physical appearances as suggested by OP (author of the SF thread). >This is getting me all excited to learn about a hidden White history. > >The Qi State (whose state capital was Linzi) was founded around 1046 BC, and violently replaced by the Tien family in 384 BC. The DNA study by Oxford showed that in 500 BC the capital was a White city. > >The destruction of the Qi state in 384 BC probably brought further miscegenation, and this could be why by 1AD the capital city was no longer White majority. > >Interestingly enough Greek culture reached its pinnacle during the fourth century BC. Coincidence?
>>12158 >Shandong Province has been stated as the Birthplace of Chinese Culture? But I think with the evidence of Europeans people in China 2500 years ago, does this mean that all the Chinese advancement are because of Whites? Maybe not but the White admixture would help A LOT here. >Confucius lived from 551-479 BC in the Shandong Province, in a city called Qufu, > >During Confucius's time, there was no genetic DNA evidence in Linzi(Zibo) of any Asians. All the residents in the the Qi State Capital were most closely related to Icelanders, not Asians! > >Sun Tsu was born around 450-500 BC as well, exactly the same time of the study, in the shandong province, just as Confucius. Another poster, reltih145, provided good insight too; >I think the chief value of the Shandong DNA study is that it puts to rest any arguments about the old Chinese legends about Whites founding their civilization or the legends of the Wu-Sans (giants said to have red hair and green eyes). Evidently the stories are all true. >Something else I just thought of. Consider how lately North American scientists are attributing the Clovis tool kit to European influence rather than native indian. This is many thousands of years ago. White people were likely explorers as soon as they had evolved.There are undoubtably even older White civilizations in China and other nearby areas yet to be discovered.
>>12159 Now a curious point. >(OP) >What is upsetting is the slow miscegenation that occurred to the Linzi(Zibo) inhabitants. When they formed the Qi state in 1046 B.C they would have been pure European. Then as time progressed, according to the oxford DNA study, the more the inhabitants resembled Turks, and then what we know as a "Chinese" in the third wave. Emphasis mine. >Of course this is to be expected in China. What is flawed, is that their image of Confucius is what artists and people in Shandong would have looked like in 600-900 AD, not 500 BC. All the sculptures and paintings were done by asian artists over 1000 years after he died, so they were just creating his image out of thin air using the average shandong inhabitant as model. Then modern artists are now basing new models on the work from 600-900 AD artists. It reminds me how Buddha looks White in Greek art, Indian in India, and Chinese in China. They want Confucius to be Chinese, so they reject DNA evidence. >A lot can happen in a 1000 years. Heck look at Detroit, it was 90% White 50 years ago, now it's 90% non White. Jewish influence has this effect to accelerate replacement. >Imagine if somebody 1400 years(or even currently) makes a sculpture of Henry Ford using the average Detroit male a base for the sculpture? The real big question is how come two White peoples that occupied the same area for two thousand years uninterrupted got so easily replaced? Did they take mutts as slaves? Were they getting sick? Were they flooded by non-Whites in much greater numbers? >>(OP) The 2,500-year-old Linzi population clusters with the present-day European populations: Icelander, German, Finnish,Welsh, and Portuguese. Oddly, no Russians. >(Zeon) That's because in those times the areas of modern Russia were inhabited by Finnic and Ugric peoples. It was just later that Slavs emigrated north and east and pushed Finns, Estonians, Votes, etc. to their present locations.
>>12161 >(OP) Some interesting things about this time period in Shandong. > >Zhou Dynasty: 1122 BC to 256 BC existed in Shandong. The Zhou dynasty lasted longer than any other in Chinese history, and the use of iron was introduced to China during this time" > >"In the West, the Zhou period is often described as feudal because the Zhou's early rule invites comparison with medieval rule in Europe." > >All over the place, you see stuff from Sino-centrists and the china government saying "we introduced you stupid Europeans metallurgy , the yoke, etc" But, with the Oxford University revelation, DNA evidence shows the inhabitants of the Qi State capital were European before Asian. The other researh proved of DNA evidence of Europeans in Western China (tarim basin) 1000 years before Asians, these Sino-Centrist "facts" are now all in doubt. Think the kikes'n'chinks are going to suppress this as much as they can? >Interestingly though, after Oxford published this report, they haven't done any follow up debate or discussion regarding the implications that the original inhabitants in western and eastern china weren't Chinese, but Europeans. Nobody has mentioned that during this time period of the study (few years before and after 500BC) and the area(shandong) many of the Chinese achievements such as language, metallurgy, the yoke, and philosophical and military theory just "sprung" forth. All this "achievement" while the QI state Capital, (according to oxford) is genetically similar to modern day "Icelanders, welsh, portuguese, Germans". > >For example, Chinese claim they introduced the Yoke to Europeans, that may be true (Europe did have a period of lost knowledge), but who introduced it to the Chinese first? The sad thing is that Whites seem to go through periods of near complete reboot. This must cease. There must be unity at once. >(gilliam) Kazahks and Uzbeks are, on average, 50% White (or caucasoid), Krygytz are 25% White, Tadjiks about 75% White on average. > >The demise of the Tarim people wasn't quite a "WHAM!" thing. Check out the book "The Mummies of Urumqui" (can't recall the author). These people actually picked up and migrated out of the basin back in the late B.C. era, where they presumably lost their ethnic identity by melting back into the Hellenic population of Alexander's Empire. The ones who remained, naturally, eventually vanished into the Asian population. > >The book also points out that the height on Yingpan Man is incorrect; somehow, like Napoleon's height post-mortem, the numbers were mistranlated: he was actually 5'9". (The so-called "Beauty of Loulan" a red-headed female mummy a thousand years older than Yingpan Man, was a foot shorter than that!)
>>12162 >(gilliam) And check out this link: > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_amazon/clues.html > >Somebody mentioned something about the Sarmatians/Scythians not being European because they spoke an Iranic language--well, the Iranic languages were once not confined to modern Iran! The Sarmatians and Scythians (and their predecessors, the Cimmerians--yep, Cimmerians) dwelled in the European steppes. Indeed, their modern-day descendants, the Christian Ossettes (the people who were the victims of the Chechen school atrocity a few years ago) are still around. >(hobobob) Some "unmixed" Chinese from the North do seem to hold a few physical characteristics that could otherwise be attributed to Europeans. They're generally much taller than those from the south or middle of the country, and also much lighter skinned. Whilst part of this is clearly an environmental and adaptive change, I believe that small degrees of Caucasian DNA clearly does exist in some of them. I've wondered about this before, noticing a couple of Chinese that could almost pass for White if it wasn't for their epicanthic fold.
>>12163 >(OP) the first study 3/5 scientists were Japanese, the 2nd study 4/5 were Chinese. The Chinese scientists are releasing Biased Data because they are told so by their tyrannical government. I would put a lot more weight into the first study than the 2nd. > >> Bias in Reporting of Genetic Association Studies >> >>"The authors examined 13 gene–disease associations. Studies were more likely to be published when the disease was considered common in China. They found 161 Chinese studies on 12 of these gene–disease associations, only 20 of which were indexed in PubMed. Chinese studies had significantly more prominent genetic effects than non-Chinese studies, and 48% were statistically significant per se, despite their smaller sample size. Moreover, the largest, most exaggerated genetic effects were often seen in PubMed-indexed Chinese studies. Chinese studies usually appeared several years after their equivalent was first postulated in the world literature. >> >>The larger genetic effects in Chinese studies are unlikely to reflect genuine heterogeneity and are more likely to do with publication bias operating within the Chinese literature, say the authors. It is possible that there was reluctance to submit and publish negative or inconclusive results when a large body of English-language literature has shown the presence of genetic effects. However, such “forced” confirmation negates the importance of independent confirmation of research results. This problem is probably not limited to the Chinese literature. These phenomena haven't been noted in molecular medicine before, but could become a serious problem in such a fast-moving field. Moreover, the inclusion of poor-quality research and additional selectively reported data may contaminate the better literature rather than provide a more accurate, comprehensive picture." >http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1285068 > >Whattya know, several years after this genetic study (https://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/17/9/1396), the Chinese scientists released this study (https://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/20/2/214#F01). Each genetic study had completely different outcomes, what study do you believe? > >Basically, they are saying the Chinese genetic studies are biased because they are "forced". Pubmed also states genetic studies from the Chinese just cloud genetic studies of the past and do not help clarify the picture. This is why I'll believe those 3 Japanese scientists over those 4 Chinese ones. > >I don't trust any study on genetics where 4/5 scientists were Chinese. The Government had total control of the 2nd study no? I mean, the first study, the Government probably didn't care because they just assumed Chinese inhabitants were in Shandong 2500 years ago. > >But, when they realized that Europeans were in Shandong of past and ethnic Japanese consist of modern Shandong population, it would be in their best interest to make the 2nd genetic study reveal contradictory facts. Fuck I'm not paid to aggregate the best bits but it's useful to us.
>>12164 Tempering the excitement? >(Lost sock) Hey guys, I think it's neat that Whites may have helped out in building China, but let's not go crazy here. You're jumping to conclusions way too easily. You can't just read a study that says there were some Whites in China, then automatically assume, "This can only mean that Whites were solely responsible for all the advancements in ancient Chinese history!" there isn't nearly enough evidence for that, let alone to start claiming Confucious, Sun Tzu and every other important thinker was White. > >Besides, even if your theory is true [Note: OdinPatrick's], Chinese inventiveness continued well after these Whites were phased out. Or are you suggesting that they stuck around for thousands of years? Don't you think it would have been better documented if there was this small group of White people in China single handedly inventing paper, gunpowder, compass, block printing, etc.? > >As for why China stagnated for a few hundred years? Well, I don't know the answer to that. But it's not like Europe didn't also have its own period of stagnation (the dark ages). I think the failure to develop the market economy was key. At one point, China was easily in the position to conquer and colonize foreign lands far before Europe did (look up Admiral Zheng He's voyages), but they simply extracted tribute from them instead because they had this attitude that places outside of China were mostly worthless and not worth looking into. > >The Chinese built a great civilization, DEAL WITH IT. Gosh, it's not like we have anything to be jealous of, considering Whites built their own great civilizations. Strange reaction. The data provided by OP and his reasoning are very solid. They might have already been Asians in lower ranks of the Zibo area but we'd again be facing a case of a White elite, perhaps smaller in numbers. Mummies would be a privilege not accessible to the poorer people (damn those White CIS privileges again). >(newPagan) Keep in mind that Whites were likely not outright slaughtered but instead probably bred themselves into the Asian population. Just like modern day White males go for Asian girls our ancestors were probably no different. So now we have groups of Asians that are Whiter and higher achieving then their darker brethren.
>>12165 >(Kennewickman) Based on the available evidence a new picture is emerging about the population of Asia and the Americas, BC 2,000 and behind: > >1, It seems that the dominant population group in North America (and most likely in South America as well) and the Far East was White, 4,000 years ago and earlier. This is most likely true on the East from the Japanese Islands, all the way to present Xinjang Province, North-Western China. >There is no evidence to show that a single individual representing the Mongoloid Race was hunting the fields of North America 7,000 years ago or earlier. On the other hand all available evidence shows the presence of a White Population. >Any place we look we see a slow destruction of the Aryan DNA pool in these areas. >The Ainu of Hokkaido was pushed out of existence by a centrally organized Japanese drive starting around 1860. > >2, It is likely that out of the last ice-age the Aryans emerged as a dominant population group of this planet and they lost this position as the weather warmed. It seems that everywhere we were encountering the very same problem: We were unable to keep up our numbers and compete with the incoming Asiatic population groups. We even had problems in Europe where one can see the signs of systematical intrusions of Asiatic and African groups from the South and the East as well. >Basically the very same scenario is played out in North America today. > >3, Those Aryan Social Structures stayed well and healthy who went with the strict segregation policies. Racial segregation, the full exclusion of all other groups from our population is the only possible answer to our problem. >The White Social Structures who were able to remain clean spread out and became extremely successful again starting in the 15th Century.
>>12166 >(JohnJoyTree) The Ainu had no European heritage. > >Kenniwick man was probably Polynesian - (they are a Caucasian race). > >IMHO > >1) Before the last ice age the population of Eurasia was "ur-Caucasian" - Caucasian in the broadest sense, but not White. > >2) Mongolians evolved from ur-Caucasians in Central Asia, and spread from their homeland becuase they were better fitted for extreme climate. > >3) Whites evolved from ur-Caucasians in Europe > >4) Prehistoric Whites in China, North america, and elsewhere outside Europe, if genuine, are remains of comparatively recent and minor migrations from Europe (say in the last 2,000- 10,000 years), not the ancient founder populations (30,000 years old or so). For some reasons which you will observe next, I find this JJT moderator rather shady.
>>12167 >(Kennewickman) As we look back at the differences that existed between the races already, ten thousand years ago it is clear that there was a White Population, spreading out all over the planet. > >There is also ample evidence to show that this White Population was the spark that started up higher social structures all over the world. > >To state that the Aryan and the Mongoloid are descendents of the same group as a result of climatic adaptation is Clintonian in my opinion. (Clinton was pushing this Neanderthal line that we are all the same – a Big Happy Human Family) > >The evidence is very clear on this: The Aryans were engaged in a deadly struggle and lost in South and East Asia and also on the North American continent. One can literally follow how the Mongoloid population of the Japanese Islands kept pushing the Ainu population from the South to the North, mile by mile, finally cornering them on Hokkaido and melting them down in a final push. (again see the articles I mentioned for more details) >On the opening page of this thread you can see the map how the ancient White Population in China was already occupying the most inhabitable, desert areas of the continent. This was necessarily the result of long standing racial confrontation that resulted in the very well documented melt down of this large White Group. Their exact, detailed relationship to the present White Population will be established by more sophisticated DNA research as time goes on. > >However, simple logic tells us that during the ice age there were relatively small population groups roaming around in Europe on the ice-packs therefore the bulk of our population must have been residing in South Asia and around the Mediterranean. They were populating Europe in larger numbers by moving in after the ice-age. > >In my opinion at this time we have relatively few available samples (very often these ancient skeletons are destroyed by the active participation of the US government) and the science of DNA is at an early stage so we should not really hurry to reach “final” conclusions, yet. > >Again, we are simply short of information to create a map of population groups and movements that were taking place before the last ice-age, unless different governments are hiding or they destroyed the evidence. >And just how they do that? Again, please go back to the article I referred to above for the grizzly details.
>>12168 >>(KM) As we look back at the differences that existed between the races already, ten thousand years ago it is clear that there was a White Population, spreading out all over the planet. >(JJT) Much as I like and respect you, I can't agree >>There is also ample evidence to show that this White Population was the spark that started up higher social structures all over the world. >See above Yet this is literally inscribed right in these peoples' myths. Even the modern man and Cro-Magnon root is given to be tens of thousands years old. So why the brakes? Is this a hurt mutt? >(Ron) What I find interesting is one of the mummies was buried with a gold mask just as was done in ancient Greece. Is it possible a splinter group of these people migrated into Greece carrying with them some of their traditions? Hear! Hear!
>>12169 >(KM) The only oriental nation that was able to create a modern society of their own, closely following the Western example was the Japanese. >Present Japanese scientific opinion says that their population is sharing Aryan DNA with us in the 20 to 60% ratio, less in the South and gradually more in the North. > >The Chinese created a highly centralized society after WWII and they were still unable to propel themselves into the 20th century, although they had all the instruments and the need to do so. In fact in the 1950’s and 1960’s even their very survival seemed to depend on creating a modern industrial society. Their present achievements came only after huge injection of western technology and capital, starting around twenty years ago. Still, it is most likely that they will linger around at the level of a giant mass-producer and they will struggle to build or sustain a truly modern social structure in a 21st century sense – if they will make it. >I am not arguing here that China does not or will not have the military capacity to destroy any country on this planet. All I am saying that the technological, cultural and social inventions that truly give the edge to some groups on the long run as opposed to others are not clearly present in their ranks in a way where they are able to dominate and direct social developments. Aryan admixture again. >(Lost sock) >You have to give them a break, because Communism and Mao's Cultural Revolution set the country back hugely. If the Kuomintang had won the Chinese Civil War instead of the Communists, China would likely be approaching the U.S. today as the #1 economic power in the world. Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan are examples of places not wrecked by Communism that are inhabited by ethnic Chinese. These cities have been heavily influenced by Whites, starting with the abundant trading in ports. Who was this guy kidding? I already though this LS guy had a very strange reaction. This confirms an anti-White bias. Guy is likely a gook mutt or something (if anyone has even more time than me to spare on looking into the guy's bio). >Actually, an even better example is North and South Korea. The exact same people ethnically, but a HUGE difference in technological achievement simply because of the systems of government. South Korea did certainly not develop on its own, cut from all Western civilization's influence. This is highly enriched copium.
>>12170 A good comment to suffocate the low-brow racism while we can. >(KM) I also learned to have respect for any group or race that is able to take care of a country, a nation and creates, sustains a self-supporting system. There is nothing wrong with these people, as long as they are willing to reside on their own land and marry their own women. For example I have full respect for the Iranians for building and sustaining one of the largest, self-sustaining cities, Teheran, on this planet. I see no reason why we should go there and bomb the place. > >On the issue of segregation I feel we can not compromise even for propaganda purposes. >(Sonny Boy) http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...full/17/9/1396 > >>The smallest genetic distance for the present-day Linzi population was that from the Mongols, followed by those from mainland Japanese and Koreans. Surprisingly, the three smallest genetic distances for the 2,000-year-old Linzi population were from the present-day central Asian populations: the Kirghiz (Sary-Tash), followed by the Kazakh and the Uighurs. Even more surprisingly, the three smallest genetic distances for the 2,500-year-old Linzi population were from the Turkish, Icelander, and Finnish, rather than from the east Asian populations. The results indicate that the genetic backgrounds of the three populations in Linzi are distinct from each other. Figure 3 shows the phylogenetic tree based on those genetic distances; present-day populations from east Asia, including the present-day Linzi population, form a cluster, which is consistent with their geographical distribution. However, the 2,000-year-old Linzi population lies outside the present-day east Asian cluster, and the 2,500-year-old Linzi population clusters with the present-day European populations There might be a point worthy of discussion here regarding the Turks, namely the population of Anatolia in the past. The racial makeup of ancient Anatolia would be most welcome. They must have a ton of bodies lying in ancient tombs, the country is littered with temples and tombs after all. >(guest post) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6669569.stm >>Chinese archaeologists studying ancient rock carvings say they have evidence that modern Chinese script is thousands of years older than previously thought. >>State media say researchers identified more than 2,000 pictorial symbols dating back 8,000 years, on cliff faces in the north-west of the country. >Of course, "North West" is where White people used to live back then. >(Schopfergeist) This is surprising to nobody with half a brain. > >There are how many people in China? > >Far more than in all of Europe. If they were equal, on average, China would be such a global dominator as to be unapproachable. > >Can anyone here imagine a nation composed of 1.3 billion Germans? Emphasis mine.
>>12171 Last one. >>(Battle Cry) Is it likely that this will ever be properly researched by a non-partisan group with nothing to hide? >(KM) The Chinese are not overly happy of the whole thing: They are most likely hiding a lot... >The Xinjang Province mummies were hidden in the basement of one of their "museums' until a tourist guide kicked in a door by accident... Happy luck. >(æþeling) In the archaeological record Mongoloid skulls do not show up before 10,000 years ago. Humans in China before that time seem to have had the “generic early modern human skull” probably what JJT refers to as “Ur-Caucasian”. Mongoloid racial development would seem to be comparatively late to the other major racial groups. I wonder if perhaps we should expect to see some link between Europeans and these early Caucasoid type humans in China? Our divergence from the proto-Eurasian population would seem to be far less than the Mongoloid. >(PolishSlavAryan) Everything Han Chinese claim to have invented is a typical Chinese knock-off: >Buddhism was spread by White Tocharians/Yuezhi and is by itself an Indo-Aryan religion; martial arts were not developed recently by Bruce Lee but were a defense mechanism against the invading Aryans with their metal weapons, horses and chariots; hundreds of words in the Chinese language are Indo-European such as dog, honey, King, sky, god, hero, horse, etc; Chinese mythology resembles Greek and other European ones strikingly and uncannily. Should I go further? And there it stops. I'm done.
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>>11911 Some more info on the Aztecs to supplement your post: >(pg. 145) Throughout the Valley of Mexico, a hereditary upper class (pipiltin) traced their descent from the ruler of the ancient city of Tollan, who was believed to be a descendant or manifestation of the god Quetzalcoatl >(pg.150) The Aztec nobility (pipiltin) traced their descent ultimately from the god Quetzalcoatl through the male or female line or preferably both. In the centuries preceding the Spanish conquest, the pipiltin had replaced or absorbed local elites that could not claim divine descent. >(pg. 420) Quetzalcoatl, a major cosmic deity associated with creation, fertility and the planet Venus, was identified as the ruler of the former city of Tollan, from whom all members of the nobility in the Valley of Mexico claimed to be descended. This equating of gods and ancient ethnic leaders encouraged the view that all Mexican gods were deified heroes and ancestors [...] Quetzalcoatl [was] the principal deity of priests. Source: "Understanding Early Civilizations" by Bruce G. Trigger To summarize: the entire hereditary upper class of the Valley of Mexico traced descent from Quetzalcoatl, the "White God", and was identified with a specific city and bloodline. Mixcoatl (pic one) was said to be the first one to make fire with a fire-drill. He was the father of Quetzalcoatl, and his name means "cloud serpent" (Mixtli + Coatl). Now what is interesting here is that in the Codex Telleriano-Remensis Mixcoatl is depicted as having White skin and a red beard. Quetzalcoatl's mother was Xochiquetzal, about whom it is said: >(pg. 372) "Xochiquetzal (“Flowery Queztal Feather”) is the “patronness” of weaving, embroidery, and spinning (the feminine crafts par excellence) as well as of pregnant women and childbirth. Durán states she was patroness of weavers, embroiderers, sculptors, painters, silversmiths, and “all those whose profession it was to imitate nature in crafts and in drawing. Source: Aztec Philosophy by James Maffie So associations with civilization, just like with Quetzalcoatl himself, and his father, the maker of the first fire. I have another book on the Aztec Conquest that I will consult later to see if I can learn anything more.
>>12161 >The real big question is how come two White peoples that occupied the same area for two thousand years uninterrupted got so easily replaced? This is what I can't figure out. Something happened, and it didn't just happen in China, it happened everywhere outside of Europe. This thread is fascinating. This information needs to be in school textbooks.
I'm wondering what we should do with the information in this thread after we get a substantial amount of good information. Should I try to put it all in a PDF and edit the content up so it's readable and understandable eventually?
>>12195 That info is tricky to interpret, Mesoamerican civilizations regard their rulers as literal Gods sometimes, that or they use the same names as the Gods. For example the ruler of Tollan (Tula) was a valiant warrior who invaded and took down a previous kingdom (The Burned Palace of the Giants at Tula) and made himself the ruler. He was considered very benevolent and was known for doing a loophole in the human sacrifice rituals, Gods wanted blood but not necessarily lives so he instituted a mandatory "bleeding" for many citizens so blood was given but people didn't have to die unless they were captured in battle or were bad members of society. He later migrated to the south and supposedly founded another city in Salvador. Both this guy and the God are referred as the same fella so beware of that, Aztecs, and even nowadays mexicans, have tons of problems with "divine" ancestry because the elites were complete foreigners and in the late period they realized the barbarians up in the north (great chichimeca) were always the homeplace of the original leaders and not an actual imaginary heaven place. These northerners had powerful wizards/shamans/sorcerers and some skilled engineers in their power, along with good jewelers so they made quick progress, what you should look into is what exactly were these guys from: Their supposed homeland and language was in the Hohokam/Southwest U.S. area and around there the Anasazi disappeared not that long before the Lake Settlers appeared in the South. The twist here is that the injuns around the Hohokam/Hopi/Desert injun area claim by oral traditions that the Anasazi were not quite like them, physically speaking, and were among the best builders around. I wouldn't doubt them being ancient settlers not from the asian bering crosser type. Their human rests are prohibited to be seen because americans and some fringe regionalist archeologists claim they are proof the old elites were not even mexican but aridamerican or even chinese. Pre-hispanic history is difficult as fuck because oral tradition turned the stories into superhero stuff and the actual factual documents were almost all burned down by the Vatican or sold as relics by early foot soldiers, also doesn't help the historians were among the weak ones who died from the subsequent plagues; 65 to 80% of the pre-hispanic population died of illnesses, the other 25 to 10% died in war.
>>12244 I definitely agree that nothing here regarding the Aztec or other Mesoamerican peoples is as conclusive as some of the information regarding India and China. One problem is, like you said, a poverty of reliable information. At most we have some interesting facts that could imply something, or maybe not. Same with the god Viracocha, he is also a so-called "White god" from what I have read, and just like with the Aztecs, the Spanish were identified with this deity when they arrived among the Incas. >Hopi Speaking of them, I have read that they have some very interesting traditions about multiple ages, a great flood, 'flying shields' which could move at incredible speeds and destroy cities. Related to all of this, is Pahana, or the "White Elder Brother", a sort of messiah figure.
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>>11772 >East Asia Wasn't the founder of Chan Buddhism "Bodhidharma" called "the Blue-Eyed, Red-Bearded Barbarian "
>>12264 You’re remembering correctly, if you look up “blue eyed” and “Bodhidharma” and some place like JSTOR, it will mention this fact, and papers often include small quotes in which Buddhists like Rinzai say “that blue-eyed barbarian, Bodhidharma” >My advice to you," said he, "is to take a rest and have nothing to do. Even if that little blue-eyed barian, Bodhidharma, should come back here and now, he could only teach you to do nothing. Put on your clothes, eat your food, move your bowels. That's all. No life-and-death [cycle] to fear. No transmigration to dread. No nirvāna to achieve, and no bodhi to acquire. Just try to be an ordinary human being, having nothing to do. https://www.jstor.org/stable/44368864
I am currently reading The Artic Home in the Vedas by Bal Gangadhar Tilak, in which he compares passages from the Vedas about the passing of the days and the sun to what they are like in the arctic zone, concluding that the original homeland of the Aryan people was this arctic zone (of course, during the era in which they lived there, the climate of that region would not have been the same as in our modern era). The amount of scientific evidence used to back his claims was impressive and was certainly enough to convince me personally. >At the North Pole, one sees the heavenly dome above seems to revolve around one like a potter's wheel. The stars will not rise and set but move round and round in horizontal planes during the long night of six months. The Sun, when it is above the horizon for six months; would also appear to revolve in the same way but with some difference. The Northern celestial hemisphere will alone be visible spinning round and round and the Southern half remain invisible. The Sun going into the Northern hemisphere in his annual course will appear as coming up from the South. Living in the temperate and tropical zones, however, one sees all heavenly objects rise in the East and set in the West, some passing over the head, others traveling obliquely. >The long dawn of two months is a special and important characteristic of the North Pole. As we descend southward, the splendor and the duration of the dawn will be witnessed on a less and less magnificent scale. But the dawn occurring at the end of the long night of two, three or more months will still be unusually long, often of several days duration. This would also explain the importance that the Sun had in Aryan religions and the constant references to struggles between light and darkness. The original Aryan people would have had to live without sunlight for very long periods.
>>12417 I have that book sitting on my shelf, but I have yet to check it out. It's especially interesting to see it having been written by an Indian man. I know Savitri Devi was convinced by this work as well, I will really have to check it out soon. Does he say anything about caste or Dravidians?
>>12439 >Does he say anything about caste or Dravidians? Up until the part where I am, he has not mentioned this topic, no. He does propose a theory about only one of four races which inhabited prehistoric Europe being Aryan. Sadly, I bought this cheap edition from Amazon which was horribly edited, it's like someone copy+pasted a Word document and turned it into a book. This makes reading it a bit tiresome.
>>12264 > Chan Buddhism
>>12444 (checked) Hmm well it will be interesting to start reading and seeing what remarks he makes on this topic. I'd think that it would be bound to come up eventually, especially since some of the passages in the Rigveda sound like a literal race war. Hopefully the Arktos version I have is of better quality. That's why I hate to take risks with books sometimes, especially with more obscure shit like this.
>>12223 A PDF could be interesting if it was well-made and not just a link-dump
>>12223 There should be dedicated archivers doing this for other topics as well. No need to save every post, but rather a summary of information presented, with notable posts recorded. I fear without this we will be talking about the same things over and over again.
>>12467 It's also smart to cap good posts occasionally for the future. I have some old shit from Julay that I should make a thread for if anyone would be interested. It's not a ton of stuff, but who knows if others have their own collections from the period of the move or not. Even if not, I'm sure there is a good deal of stuff we could cap or compile on this board at this very moment. You are right that it could be smart to get some of this stuff together for newfags and people in general so we don't have to explain the same stuff over and over. Regarding the info in this thread, I will try to make it into a little PDF in the coming weeks. Even if we get new info, it won't be hard to expand. My idea would be to take the info ITT and then write about it a little bit, nothing too long, not going out on a limb too much. Sticking with the known info, but making it something interesting as well, as well as including maps and references.
>>12439 >Artic home in the Vedas I always wondered if Hyperborea or any great Aryan civilization was ever North of the equator of Earth. Does any anons here have anything that suggest that the Artic possibly had a civilization?
On the topic of Hyperboreans, Abaris the Hyperborean is very interesting. Herodotus and others report that Abaris had an arrow which granted him the power of flight: A footnote on Strabo's Geography: >Abaris was called the “Hyperborean” priest and prophet of Apollo, and is said to have visited Athens in the eighth century, or perhaps much later. According to the legend, he healed the sick,m travelled round the world, without once eating, on a golden arrow given him by Apollo, and delivered Sparta from a plague. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Strab.+7.3.8&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0198:book=7:chapter=3&highlight=Abaris Iamblichus: >Abaris is said to have come from the Hyperboreans collecting money for the temple and prophesying pestilence; he lived in the sacred shrines and was never seen to drink or eat anything; it is said, too, that in Lacedaemon he offered preventive sacrifices, and that for this reason there was never again a plague in Lacedaemon. From this Abaris Pythagoras took the golden arrow without which he could not find his way, and so made Abaris witness to his power. https://topostext.org/people/11001 Herodotus: >I have said this much of the Hyperboreans, and let it suffice; for I do not tell the story of that Abaris, alleged to be a Hyperborean, who carried the arrow over the whole world, fasting all the while http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D4%3Achapter%3D36 The poet Nonnus: >Abaris also you have heard of, whom Phoibos through the air perched on his winged roving arrow https://topostext.org/work/529#11.113 This sounds like some sort of vimana to me. Vimanas were well known to have varied in size from the size of a city at largest, to smaller throne-sized objects. >>12544 I just found this, it seems to mention Tilak's book and argues for the Hyperborean origin of Indo-Europeans. This could be interesting: https://web.archive.org/web/20110914092948/http://www.matrixofcreation.co.uk/php/JGB/systematics-vol1-no3-203-232.htm
>>11905 https://archive.org/details/WilliamPierce/Who%20we%20Are Why not use this as a good baseline to dig deeper?
>>12611 Why did it quote that?
While this doesn't have much to do with Whites appearing around the world, but I have heard from others that the Teutonic race aka Germanics have always been a people who have centered their ideals on individualism and liberty thus why they usually lean more liberal or are more into capitalism than other races. Is this true at all?
>>12646 Looking at what Tacitus wrote about the Germans, I find it difficult to call them in any sense "individualists", especially in a modern sense. In his work, Tacitus notes that it is a "duty" among the Germans to adopt the feuds and friendships of their fathers or kinsmen, and that odious behaviors are strictly not tolerated. They'd kill you or punish you, and literally no one would have dealings with you if you were a degenerate. The reason I mention this is that it seems to show that they were a "shame culture", which is more focused on how others react to your behavior and view you, which I think does not lend itself to an individualist ethos. Regarding freedom, it was written they the Germans do not live in cities, instead in scattered villages. Kings did not have unlimited power, and that for very important matters the tribe was consulted (i.e. they held a folkmoot or a thing assembly). This seems to indicate that they put importance on freeborn adult men in the tribe, even if they were not of a kingly or priestly line. Obviously these tribes were small by today's standards of millions of citizens, so it was nothing like (((democracy))). Regarding capitalism, it's bullshit. Capitalism promotes disintegration of society (the same kin-bonds so prized by the Germans above) and enslavement to capitalists, its association with freedom is an insidious trick.
>>12648 Well it confuses me why there are people who claim that the Germans were always for democracy and generally freedom. Hell there is economic term called "Anglo-Saxon", which supposedly means free market capitalism and thing here is that I don't remember Anglo-Saxon ever being about economics nor being individualistic as a people.
>>12651 Usually when people say this sort of thing, they have an obvious agenda that they are trying to push. Many less critical readers would look at the source from which I drew my information above and proclaim that, due to the fact that the members of the tribe were consulted in important matters, the Germans were in favor of democracy even two millennia ago! (falsely equating modern mass judeocracy with some form of tribal consultations). I've seen similar claims to the ones that you're referring to before myself, I don't really understand it either, it just seems like one of those memes that catch on that have little basis in reality, especially when liberal ideas are projected into the (distant) past like this. With Anglos, I'm sure the link is made because of people like John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith, along with other pozzed figures. I think it would be false to claim that Germans or Anglos are inherently "individualistic" or "freedom-loving" in the liberal modern senses, though. They do often exhibit the Faustian spirit of Whites though in the highest form, but that is much different than those.
One last info dump on Quetzalcoatl, from William H. Prescott's "History of the Conquest of Mexico": >A far more interesting personage was Quetzalcoatl, god of the air, a divinity who, during his residence on earth, instructed the natives in the use of metals, in agriculture, and in the arts of government. He was one of those benefactors of their species, doubtless, who have been deified by the gratitude of posterity. Under him, the earth teemed with fruits and flowers, without the pains of culture [...] In short, these were the halcycon days.... >From some cause, not explained, Quetzalcoatl incurred the wrath of one of the principal gods, and was compelled to abandon the country. On his way he stopped at the city of Cholula, where a temple was dedicated to his worship [...] When he reached the shores of the Mexican Gulf, he took leave of his followers, promising that he and his descendants would revisit them hereafter, and then, entering his wizard skiff, made of serpent's skins, embarked on the great ocean for the fabled land of Tlapallan. He was said to be tall in stature, with a White skin, long, dark hair, and a flowing beard. The Mexicans looked confidently to the return of the benevolent deity; and this remarkable tradition, deeply cherished in their hearts, prepared the way, as we shall see hereafter, for the future success of the Spaniards. Interesting stuff. I'm not sure what a "wizard skiff" is though. Some sort of magical boat, I guess. And Tlapallan is clearly Europe. My real question though is - what was Quetzalcoatl's end-game? We have many stories about benevolent White gods going around and spreading their knowledge, but did they not think that doing this would threaten the existence of their own Volk? Were things really just that different back then?
>>12654 >have many stories about benevolent White gods going around and spreading their knowledge, but did they not think that doing this would threaten the existence of their own Volk How so?
>>12670 Well, I just compare it to what we have seen in the recent past (late 19th and early 20th centuries), where gradually Whites lost their near-monopoly on industry and high technology. Before we would just use our colonies as a cashcow for resources and to absorb the products of our industrial might, but eventually we began to move production to them too, and disseminate our knowledge, processes and technology to the natives, which in time gave them strength which otherwise they never would have had, something which I believe has eventually led White people to great harms, and an undermining of our former strength. Of course, this is not the only reason, as there are (((internal))) sources of our downfall as well. Either way, even if we are to take these tales at face value, it's clear that Quetzalcoatl was not teaching the Aztecs everything he knew given the fact that he has the ability to use magical boats and stuff.
>>12690 In that case, the non-Whites should be thanking us. It's not their fault, they got subverted by kikes.
>>12715 Of course, non-Whites owe essentially everything to Whites, this thread makes that even starker, but this is especially true in regards to the Industrial Revolution. > It's not their fault, they got subverted by kikes. Non-Whites, like all weaker parties, are very susceptible to subversion. Kikes feed on their envy, hatred, and feelings of powerlessness to turn them into golems. Jews have done the same thing to women with feminism. I can't blame non-Whites for seizing ahold of White technology, what group wouldn't? Technology allows one much greater power projection and the ability to do things much more efficiently (consequences aside). It just turns out that this is bad for Whites.
>>12654 >what was Quetzalcoatl's end-game? Maybe these gods were similar to modern-day Whites who try to help Africans develop their countries for no other reason that they want to help people, without thinking of the long-term consequences of these actions. It's like the story in Gilgamesh of the savage man who is assisted in evolving into a civilized human being by a member of a higher race. We can assume that many of these ancient gods were people who really existed, like Indra, Krishna and Odin/Wotan, who became deified because of great deeds. So it's not like they were perfect and all-knowing. Which is probably also why these gods are often depicted as having human flaws in myths.
>>12743 Quite unfortunate really. Some non-Whites have benefitted from the help and thanked Whites but the majority of their race would've hated Whites anyway.
>>12747 A classic case of biting the hand that feeds you
>>12654 >tall in stature, with a White skin, long, dark hair, and a flowing beard Thanks for posting this, i don't recall reading that anywhere here but now that you quote that it does remind me an awful lot to that Madock legend from bongland about a king who sailed to the west and supposedly landed around the gulf of Mexico somewhere.
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>>12777 Yeah, no problem. I had never heard of Madoc before, but this is a genuinely interesting story it looks like. I only wish we were told how far before the coming of the Spanish did Quetzalcoatl come and leave, or with this Madoc character, exactly where he is alleged to have gone, because if the many suggestions in this article are true, there is much speculation.
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>>12256 Didn't see this one. >I have read that they have some very interesting traditions Hopis were some of the few who were very anal about oral tradition and cave paintings as testament, they belong or are considered father to the whole hohokam culture (Southwest US, Northwest Mexico). It is suspected they are orthodox descendants of the Clovis, whatever that means because they are thousands of years in difference, and yeah they do have some interesting lore behind due to their rampant shamanistic/ayahuasca rituals (very small sauna with booze and drugs). Along with your descriptions there's also the most famous one, a giant spider web in the sky watching us and the small box of dust that will fall from the highs and which can boil the lakes and scorch the forests in an instant, if you believe they had some sort of link to watch the future they probably saw the nuclear tests that were coincidentally made in their ancestral lands, they also mention they will all die and be replaced with another kind of man, one not good or bad but just different. Very interesting indeed, that movie Koyaanisqatsi develops on those ideas, recommended viewing if somebody wants to watch actual motion pictures. You can also take a wild guess what their (and Hohokam's) favorite symbol was
>>12778 That second page is pure speculation for sure, and a wild shot too because the possible landing places are the entire continent, with the full gulf as the most specific part. From Yucatan to Alabama there's a lot of bush, perhaps he went away and when he returned he simply landed half a world away. The fact no injun knew how to make metal utensils but just soft jewelry is also a point which means he wasn't very successful, but it strikes me that somebody using a green gambeson would scare more than one snake-fearing redskin away. Honestly the Vatican burning deer skins with finger paintings in them is second to the Library of Alexandria being burned down twice.
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Info on the Hanau Epe (the long-ears) and the Hanau Momoku (the short-ears), two groups of people who are traditionally said to have existed on Easter Island. A decisive battle led to the extermination of the Hanau Epe, who were all burned to death in a great ditch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanau_epe http://ihr.org/other/heyerdahl-newworld https://archive.org/details/thorheyerdahlaku037009mbp/mode/1up
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>>12783 I hear a lot about red heads, but rarely anything about blond hair. Where are the yellow headed gods or lords that are also said to be created with creating civilization.
>>12784 >To be created Meant to have created
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>>12784 You know, I've been kind of thinking the same thing. The classic meme is of course blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryans being the source of higher civilizations, but as you've probably seen yourself ITT time and time again we hardly hear about blonds, just red heads basically. One example of blonds that hasn't been mentioned ITT are the Cloud People of Peru, or the Chachapoya >They are the Whitest and most handsome of all the people that I have seen in Indies, and their wives were so beautiful that because of their gentleness, many of them deserved to be the Incas' wives and to also be taken to the Sun Temple (...) The women and their husbands always dressed in woolen clothes and in their heads they wear their llautos, which are a sign they wear to be known everywhere https://www.amren.com/news/2013/09/how-did-blonde-Whites-arrive-in-peru-before-columbus/
>>12469 >It's also smart to cap good posts occasionally for the future. I have some old shit from Julay that I should make a thread for if anyone would be interested A "good ol' caps" thread you mean?
>>12887 Yeah, essentially.
>>12786 And these are one of the few I hear about truly having blond hair other than some other native tribes. But the problem here is that a lot of archeologists and scientists claim that some of the greatest rulers who were European had red hair. As an example would be men like Alexander the great are said to actually have had red hair rather than blond hair, doesn't make sense to me to be honest.
>>12779 >small box of dust that will fall from the highs and which can boil the lakes and scorch the forests in an instant The bible has a similar artifact used by some angel, which contains a liquid that can destroy a river and deplete it of its water.
>>12567 The arrow definitely sounds like a sleek monoseat needle-shaped airship. That's what they'd described as an arrow. furiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinju
>>12611 Beat me to it. Unapologetically supportive of missed opportunities of open genocide in some cases. Must read.
>>12652 There would be no point having a king if they had anything like our democracy. Their system was sane, with a natural feedback checking feature, but the king's final word seemed to be sought nevertheless. The Anglo-saxon individualistic meme is a mere association with the capitalistic culture and the taint of Protestantism since it did without the central authority of the Papacy that Catholicism respects, giving a sense in comparison that Anglos are more individualized and free, almost implying a faint hue of anarchism.
>>12654 Some names also clearly share an etymological root ~atls, i.e. cognate of Atlantis. >We have many stories about benevolent White gods going around and spreading their knowledge, but did they not think that doing this would threaten the existence of their own Volk? What if they were looking for a labor force to build the "temples" (with all their magical functions) but felt like they needed to civilize them so as to make them an efficient enough laborious people? That or they were just like too benevolent boomers of their time, wanting to civilize people who essentially wouldn't want any of it naturally, nor capable of it, but for some reason I don't think they were that naive. It's possible some of these explorers might also have had some kind of ego trip. Or perhaps they were trying to complete something cause their race has been stuck on this planet for a long time and wanna call home... ? I'm curious about those boats that move on their own and feats of destruction brought by some of these White gods (Quetzacoatl comes to my mind, Viracocha too) summoning fire from the sky. >>12782 >Easter island people: White vs **** How old is this? We are never shown such White ancestors. I know that many of them were extracted by force from these islands, but we're never told that there might have been very White people amongst these guys. Then many died of a virus they were never exposed to before, until the survivors were brought back to the island. >long ears vs short ears The now called natives have, I suppose, small rounded ears. Is that it? Looks like the top caste got too greedy or too naive and, perhaps flooded in numbers, got killed as the short ears didn't give much of a fuck about statues, which was all hard work to chisel out and drag. Then these morons turned onto each other and ate human flesh.
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>>12926 The -atl ending (or more accurately -tl) is apparently a suffix attached to nouns under certain conditions: >Non-possessed nouns take a suffix called the absolutive. This suffix takes the form -tl after vowels (ā-tl, "water") and -tli after consonants, which assimilates with a final /l/ on the root (tōch-tli, "rabbit", but cal-li, "house"). Some nouns have an irregular form in -in (mich-in, fish). These suffixes are dropped in most derived forms: tōch-cal-li, "rabbit-hole", mich-matla-tl, "fishing net". Possessed nouns do not take the absolutive suffix (see Noun inflection below), but do receive a prefix to denote the possessor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Nahuatl_grammar#Noun_inflection Regarding Viracocha, I have one or two books either on the Incas or that include information on the Incas, I will have to see what it is said about them in there here soon. >How old is this? It was written in 1957. Heyerdahl visited the Easter Island with an Norwegian archeological expedition in 1955-6.
>>12924 May I know what do you exactly support what Pierce was saying?
>>12961 You'll read at some point the invasion of the Greek area; for which he regretted that those civilization bearers of greater might simply settled on leading the people they conquered instead of slashing a good number of them, because in the end the greater racial input was lost and diluted well before the Turkic and Muslims invasions. It's a great read that offers a proper summary of the topic in this thread for the last 3000 years somehow concerned the most well known parts of Europe and nearby areas. Would make a good educational course at higher school levels.
>>13043 To me, I think that those who want to be lead by their conquerers can be taught.
>>13052 >You'll read at some point the invasion of the Greek area; for which he regretted that those civilization bearers of greater might simply settled on leading the people they conquered instead of slashing a good number of them, I'll never understand why Whites didn't just kill off all or most of the males, and took the females. It's doesn't make sense why they were so accepting of the iranian niggers and Dravadian when they could of just killed off their male population and that would of solved all their problems.
>>13053 What you say makes no sense. If you take the females then you're committing miscegenation. It's in fact more efficient to kill the females as the fewer of them immediately creates a serious biological bottleneck. Either you segregate racially or you don't. Whether you kill the others or simply maintain a form of religious apartheid as in India is another topic.
>>13062 Unfortunately even the system in India is flawed. It is a very good system in light of the state of racial science thousands of years ago, but unfortunately it is good at protecting the females, but allows higher caste White males too much leeway, allowing them to have children with lower caste women as well.
>>13062 >What you say makes no sense. If you take the females then you're committing miscegenation. It's in fact more efficient to kill the females as the fewer of them immediately creates a serious biological bottleneck. The thing here is that, the Indo-European invasions were mostly male. The lack of women within their tribes was probably the reason for why they committed in miscegenation.
>>13075 >unfortunately it is good at protecting the females Why is protecting the females bad? And how are they protected exactly?
>>13085 Looking back at my post, I see how you were able to read into it that protecting females is bad. I just worded it badly, what I was trying to say was that although it is good at protecting high-caste females from race-mixing, it fails in that it does not adequately prevent high-caste males from having children with lower-caste females. The women are protected in the sense that if the laws are properly applied, women won't be permitted to interact with lower-caste men. In fact the Laws of Manu I am referencing here do not permit much independence to females at all. The massive flaw in the system, at least according to the Laws of Manu, is that males can marry down, and that there is something which says something to the effect of "it is the seed that matters, not the field it is sown in" - this of course is leads to mongrelization, and a belief that it is only the seed that matters will directly harm the higher-caste women as mongrels will slowly seep into the higher-castes In contrast, the Bhagavad Gita appears to take a far harsher line regarding any racial mixture, just see the infograph I have attached.
>>13087 What do the Laws of Manu and BG talk about lower caste people (Dravidians)? Any praise or criticism of them?
>>13090 The Bhagavad Gita divides people into four castes according to the three modes of material natures / gunas. The highest guna is that of goodness, purity and knowledge. It corresponds to the highest caste of Brahmanas. The Kshatriyas are in the mode of passion, Vaishyas are between passion and ignorance, and the lowest, shudras, are in the mode of ignorance. They're basically lethargic subhumans who chase after sense-gratification and other forms of degeneracy. This is what the Gita says. It's pretty easy to see why Shudras need controlled by the higher castes. The Laws of Manu are very harsh towards shudras. Here is a verse that will give you an idea of how they are see in this work: >(8.413) the śūdra was created by the Self-existent One solely to do slave labour for the Brahmin The punishments for Shudras are also often harsher, and the penalties for harming them are less than for the higher twice-born Aryan castes. Even insulting a Brahmin is said to warrant the tongue of a shudra being cut out.
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>>13095 >Euhemerism I don't know why it bothers me, but it does.
>>13097 im more bothered that there are people who readily believe the opposite
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>>13098 It depends on what view one is taking. Interestingly, the more one does research into what actually educated pagans believed, the more one sees that the literal anthropomorphic depiction that we are all taught in school was not the view that people had, especially among the educated. Euhemerism was one interpretation, as were other interpretations such as there was in reality a single God who was applied different names poetically as it worked in different areas of nature, such as the sea, the sky, etc. The third view, and I've seen this used by people such as Richard L. Thompson who published much on Vedic perspectives of science, was that much of what is referred to is real, but are referring to higher dimensional realities that humans cannot easily access with their five senses, especially within the Kali Yuga, where it is actually written that human sense perceptions, memory and the like have all degraded from their higher states in other ages. This one seems the most compelling to me, though whether it is true or not I can't say. What we are left with otherwise is basically the conclusion that our ancestors, and nearly all of humanity, were mentally ill schizos by modern medical standards. The other theory is that these pagan beliefs were per-scientific explanations for various forces of Nature, but to me this seems unsatisfactory as well once one really thinks about it, since what we are dealing with here is hardly an assemblage of ad hoc explanations for various unexplained phenomena, but something which seems often like a description of a totally different world and outlook from that of almost anyone today. I'm still researching though.
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>>13097 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CQo3GvXO-VI Robert Sepehr did a decent video on the evidence supporting that Odin was a real-life person. I believe that Pagans probably had a conception of one highest God-like force (such as Brahman or Kami), which was superior to the members of the traditional pantheons we know of today. This would explain why the gods of these myths have human flaws and are also subject to fate and even death. Some of these gods were probably real-life kings, warriors and priests of forgotten eras who were seen as worthy of being worshipped for their exceptional wisdom or martial abilities. We saw a last renmant of this among the WWII-era Japanese, who believed one could attain the status of war-god through brave acts on the battlefield.
>>13105 The whole being praise as a God for simply doing something great or just for being a king, rather than actually being one, kind of seems atheistic in a way. It's like worshipping a king who says he's a god through propaganda, just, so he can do whatever he wants or change society into more of his perspective. I still wonder if the Gods were actually "Gods".
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>>13118 One way to see it would be think of it in the way that the Japanese apparently use the term "kami".
>>13118 It's possible that they weren't really Gods, but just heroes who were worshiped more-so as admirers than Gods.
>>13120 >In shinto there is no absolute deity that is creator and ruler of all Really? Is this book sure that they never talked about actual authentic gods who could actually do things that mortals couldn't do? >>13121 >It's possible that they weren't really Gods, but just heroes who were worshiped more-so as admirers than Gods. That's a possibility, it would also lead the question of who were the true gods, if they were any. We have creator gods like Wr-alda that were said to be worshiped by the Frisians, and ideas of the demiurge, so either Shintoism and Astaru are atheistic or because it just is or these religions are interpreted wrong due to subversions. https://www.bitchute.com/video/3afMkHPJwAiX/
>>13124 > Is this book sure that they never talked about actual authentic gods who could actually do things that mortals couldn't do? Oh, that's certainly not true, there are plenty of gods that are far beyond mortals in powers, but what is true is that in Shinto there is no being who is comparable to a Abrahamic God creating ex nihilo. But the term "kami" or "god" has a much wider application than what we are used to.
>>13092 Thank god India doesn't follow those laws. They'll be pretty much killing each other by then
>>13145 Kek the caste system there has truly become obsolete in many senses. It is important to keep in mind though that technically those three material natures don't exclusively sort in accordance with racial lines, but for all intents and purposes they seem to. In India nowadays they're basically working to preserve one lighter shade of poo from another
>>13118 Well, these gods would often be considered common ancestors of the worshippers so it also fits in the ancestral cult aspect of Paganism. Even Christian kings in early Medieval Europe would continue justifying their legitimacy by claiming descendance from Wodan. I think for a clearer view of this sort of thing, we can actually look at the person of Hitler. His impact on history, the events he lived through and his overall person have had him acquire an almost mythical status, both among his enemies and fans. And there already are people literally worshipping him or considering him a manifestation of some higher force.
>>13098 >>13097 It bothers you because Euhemerism was a tactic used by Christians to undermine native European traditions.
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>>13162 It only took three centuries at max for the tale of some Jewish carpenter to become spun into an account of divine being part of a trinity who died and resurrected for people's sins, and to become sole religion of Rome, so I think it's looking pretty good for Hitler. Hitler has a much better claim than Jesus did anyways.
>>13181 Based, whose hand would you grab?
>>13095 where is this from anon ?
>>13192 Guy on the right is a youtuber who goes by Sv3rige, who has been eating a raw carnivore diet for several years and has been making videos promoting it. He recently tried to live isolated from modern society in Eastern-Europe with his wife and kid (so similar to Varg's lifestyle) but I guess he did not go through with it. https://youtu.be/RLrPJdd4708 Video where the clip is from: https://youtu.be/c0KSW4GAVps It seems like the original video does not have subtitles, except for the part that was clipped.
>>13095 dont steroids fuck up your hormones later in life though? wouldnt this mean that whoever ate the boar liver would grow man tits and get a fag voice as an old man, become estrogen dominant, lose function of testicles?
>>13197 I don't know if natural steroids (such as Zinc, which can be found in various animal foods) have effects like that. I think that might be exclusive to the medicinal form taken by mentally ill bodybuilders.
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>>13197 Eating boar liver won't give you sustained supranatural testosterone levels that signal your balls to stop natural production lol
>>13075 >>13083 big question then guys as i doubt the miscegenation was severe even 3000 years ago in india, when did it really go south (lol, almost literally considering where dravidians lived mostly)? do we have racial and historical data? should we look into when this and that religious text or poem was written and look at the concessions it does on race (starting with omissions of racial partition) to start seeing the beginning of at least cultural intermingling before the racial mixing? i'd like to know when those aryan sovereigns started to favor brown females and their group experienced a dearth of White women considering how relatively rigid the caste system was when found by england, i dont think these Whites were forced by the lower castes to drop the racial segregation i have the feeling this happened on a very long period but i fail to explain how the higher caste went from White to mutt it's possible a soft coup might have happened, once or twice, with nobles mating with dark females and uplifting them as a result, bringing them into the higher layer of the caste system, putting them on equal footings with White women who were then forced to accept this racial intrusion so any idea what happened exactly or will it remain a mystery forever??
>>13256 I have the Oxford World's Classics collection of some of the principle Upanishads, and if we can trust this to any extent, I think it provides some interesting information to take into account regarding the migration of Aryans into India. We already know that the Aryans migrated into Punjab and later further East into the Ganges valley sometime after the beginning of the 2nd millennium BCE. As is shown in this image >>11859 there is an undeniable record of racial conflict at this early stage. Now to quote from the book: >But their [i.e. the Aryans'] domination was not necessarily numerical. 'Evidence of widespread settlement in the Ganga valley by the late 2nd millennium B.C.', Erdosy (1988, 101) points out 'would suggest, that numerically the native population would have been overwhelmingly dominant.' It is this blend of indigenous and Aryan peoples that constituted Vedic society >The subjugated non-Aryans appear to have been by and large relegated to the lower class of a quadripartite social structure... >It is likely that the élites of these groups were co-opted by the Kṣatriya ruling class and that the Brahmin priestly class incorporated both Aryan and non-Aryan ritual specialists Now none of this should be taken as definitive in the slightest. Notice how the author writes "it is likely that...", i.e. they have no proof. If this was true, however, it would signify the onset of an almost immediate degeneration, one that might not be noticeable in the beginning, but that would have gradually taken its toll as time passed and more and more dysgenic matches were made. One thing that is slightly contradictory though is that the author a page or two earlier said (as I quoted) that "The subjugated non-Aryans appear to have been by and large relegated to the lower class", and if I remember correctly, the Laws of Manu refer to the phenomena of shudra kings in non-Aryan areas, which would, under our theories, likely refer to a native mud person in charge of a kingdom, outside of Aryan dominated territories. Now you've probably noticed I've hardly answered your question, that is because it's impossible to answer, There were probably far more Dravidians in Vedic society than White Aryans, but there were enough where Indo-Aryan languages spread throughout the area and that the Aryans were able to establish themselves as kings and spiritual authorities. Another indication of course is that to this day "20%-30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11381027/ And this is millennia after they arrived, so there were substantial numbers, probably more than this author is estimating. >i fail to explain how the higher caste went from White to mutt If high-caste White males were permitted to have wives with lower-caste shitskins, and as a result of their ignorance of racial science Aryan mutts were considered full Aryans, high-caste Aryan mutts would go on to reproduce with pure-blooded White high-caste females, producing a 75% White mutt child. If this happened on any large scale, it would slowly degrade the ruling castes of Vedic society until they all had brown skin of lighter or darker shades. Also, we know the Buddha lived in the 5th to 4th century BCE and was described iirc as having blue eyes, so with that in mind, we can at least say that a little over two thousand five hundred years ago there were still Whites in India. Interestingly this is the period when there were still Caucausoid native populations in large parts of China, see >>11874.
>>13261 >Also, we know the Buddha lived in the 5th to 4th century BCE and was described iirc as having blue eyes, so with that in mind, we can at least say that a little over two thousand five hundred years ago there were still Whites in India. If I'm correct, I have a theory another major reason why Buddha might of stopped being a Sanatana Dharmist and created Buddhism is because he saw that the Aryans were failing to maintain their purity, due to the Dravadian rituals being incorporated in the Vedic tribes or kingdoms. The Aryans were becoming corrupt and he decided to create some counters to prevent the mongrelization of the Aryan caste. Although I don't know if Buddha ever emphasized on purity of race or generally kin.
>>13261 Were there stories of Dravidians and Aryans being friendly? Surely they cannot just be angry at each other all the time.
>>13304 I’m sure there were plenty of instances of that. Shudras made their livelihood by serving twice-born Aryans, and we can hardly assume that it was just endless anger and fighting, especially given the fact that that would have precluded any stable civilization. Shudras likely benefited from serving Aryans in many ways too, just think of how Vedic civilization flourished under their rule. I even believe with niggers in America, when they were slaves the vast majority of them probably just knew they were niggers and that their job was working for their master, and they made the most of it. The Aryans probably had more of a pathos of distance towards them than any sort of genuine friendliness. >>13263 In the Japan thread someone claimed the following: >>12919 (though I’m interested in the source), and another poster pointed out that the Buddha first said that there was no one who would be able to grasp the true nature of his teachings, but was then begged by a god to show compassion and that there were “some” who could learn. It’s definitely possible though that the rise of some of the new religions around the Buddha’s time were a reaction against Dravidianization or the over-ritualization of the Vedic religion. It seems to me like we have the same classic Talmudic / pharisaical degeneration of a religion, followed by a renewal like what happened with Christianity and how it contrasts with legalistic pilpuling Judaism (Christianity is still Jewish btw). Buddhism is the polar opposite of this mentality. I have also seen it explained as a barebones form of Sanatana Dharma by Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya, and I think it had some truth to it. In general I agree with Evola’s accessment that Buddhism is an aristocratic teaching, not something for plebs: http://www.jstor.com/stable/30233528
>>13306 >though I’m interested in the source I read this in Evola's The Doctrine of Awakening and Evola mainly used the Dhammapada as his source. I will look for the specific passage later.
>>13092 >shudras, are in the mode of ignorance. They're basically lethargic subhumans who chase after sense-gratification and other forms of degeneracy. pure hedonists absolutely open to slave mentality but who will claim have rights to greater power, but can also be very satisfied if given food and basic entertainment and will accept the harshest tyranny until manipulated into a mob to attack a benevolent and despotic power truly despicable men and women, one should not expect much from them although exceptions happen from time to time
>>13097 euhemerism is pretty much confirmed through all myths maintained by nonWhites all over the world who have had White wise "gods" who gave them access to civilization and other good things
>>13118 it takes the understanding of the hierarchy in soul quality, some founding their ways into men who change things on this world to extent no other man could dream of, whether these fateful events are good or evil
>>13120 too modern of a slant, this book has
>>13181 his greater soul is still accruing massive points from the simple fact that forces of darkness hate him and forces of light love him
>>13317 Yes, but these same peoples also have gods that are not described as White, and who are in charge of different domains of the universe. The difference with the White gods is that they are always the most clearly human members of the pantheon, and are more like exalted teacher figures
>>13324 isn't it my point though? the White gods are the most human and brought rather concrete changes to society (if you can ignore the miracles that intrude into those stories) that could be made today in the same way we share our tech and try to modernize niggers in africa
>>13352 Euhemerism can explain some phenomena and gods, but not all of them is what I was trying to say. Other gods and phenomena are not rationalized like this so easily. For example, though these are obviously not examples of Euhemerism, why do civilizations all around the world have stories of what sound positively like highly advanced aircraft today? Or more metaphysical phenomena like the cyclical nature of time. With some stuff like the technology, we're left with a few possible explanations >they made it all up >ancient astronauts >gods are real >ancient Whites had extremely advanced technology and seemed like gods to non-Whites
>>13352 >modernize niggers Didn't some of them benefit from it? Better than being eaten alive like the savages they are. I guess the few can't speak for the majority.
>>12611 By the way this link went down, I have a version of Who we are from it it, I think, but it has been deleted from the Archive along with the rest of the collection it was a part of most of it is still on the website but not from a unified collection.
>>15641 Hmm and that was posted just a month ago here too, and I presume that the poster actually went to the link before posting it here too. I hope archive.org is not cleansing their archive of Pierce content, that would be highly unfortunate. Perhaps we should make a Pierce thread on here for the sharing of his work, clips and just general discussion to make sure everything is well saved by multiple people.
>>15644 Considering I am that poster,(check the ID) I did go to the link before posting it, and now it just says on Archive.org that it was removed for violating terms of service or some other reason, most of it is still up from other people and places but that particular version of Who We Are seems to be gone from Archive.org, I though it was 600 or so pages but the one I have has 493 pages which could just be a difference in formatting between Opera and my dedicated PDF viewer. On the Pierce thread Idea why not just use the Cosmotheism Thread?, have BO edit in a "/William Luther Pierce Writings" to the Subject line. Although I suppose a separate dedicated thread could work better.
>>15646 As a bit of a bonus here is the version of Who We Are that I have.
>>15646 >>15648 Thanks for the PDF. At first I had typed up some stuff about how I would go ahead and edit the Cosmotheism thread (I happen to be the OP of that too it turns out), but on second thought I think you’re right that it might be better to make Pierce his own thread, plus people seeing a new pic in the catalog will click on it and give it interest due to novely alone in many cases. Unfortunately I am unable to edit that part of posts. I can make the thread tomorrow after I gather up some material I have, or someone else could make it if they have some stuff already together and ready. Whatever works.
>>13261 >Also, we know the Buddha lived in the 5th to 4th century BCE and was described iirc as having blue eyes, so with that in mind, we can at least say that a little over two thousand five hundred years ago there were still Whites in India. Quick note on this, but I have seen mutts with green, gray or blue eyes. The case of Buddha attests at least of an ancient and strong enough presence of White so that some typically White traits would find their way into later generation people, but still in higher castes. As pointed out by you, the topic of Whites in China, now largely spotted in two opposite areas of this huge land, is a very hot topic. But from what I read of the Laws of Manu, they would make a devout SS blush. They were pretty hardcore on race yet failed to protect the original writers. It seems you can admonish your fellows about all the risks of racial treason and adulteration, and you can write long laws about not marrying with impure blood, at some point it simply does not suffice. it is worrying that even when elevated to the rank of quasi divine value, some of the most important tenets of racial preservation get ignored, even if as far as White Aryans are concerned, they started from an unfavorable condition of numerical inferiority. They failed to uphold the principle of territorial segregation based on race. It's key to everything. Territorial segregation is a major point, and it paves the way to racial purity, racial spirituality, racial culture, etc., because you simply do not have to leave room and concede anything towards mud people.
>>13306 >It’s definitely possible though that the rise of some of the new religions around the Buddha’s time were a reaction against Dravidianization or the over-ritualization of the Vedic religion. Like the ooga booga niggering of Christianity we see in the USA and Africa. You cannot rewrite instincts based on DNA. Give Vedism to shitskins and they'll soon adapt it to their needs. >>13314 Luckily his understanding of Dharma was better than his of Tantrism. >>13357 >>ancient Whites had extremely advanced technology and seemed like gods to non-Whites I have been looking a lot into this but I'm at a loss here. Even if you go by catastrophic archeology (today, still treated as fringe), what kind of destruction would be necessary to so utterly reset any advanced civilization capable of flight that no trace of it remains and nobody, no White, even kept plans or talked about it? On this same note, one of the Central America myths has, I think, Quetzalcoatl using a boat that moved on its own. I could check on this, it might have been from another Mesoamerican people's myth. I'd love to entertain this side of wuzzism but proofs are conspicuously absent.
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>>17126 >>17126 Concerning advanced technology, it's highly possible that the type of technology (if we are to describe like this) found in ancient myths and writings are of a completely different variety than anything we are aware of today. The technology we are familiar with here on Earth is of course composed solely of gross matter and from our knowledge of mechanical workings and physics, etc. It doesn't seem like things like vimanas were necessarily physical in the sense we are familiar with. One example can be read in the Bhagavata Purana. Kardama Muni resorts to yoga in order to summon a house for his wife. What is produced is a massive vimana that sounds like it is the size of a palace. Kardama Muni didn't expect this to happen though, and the book describes him as "astounded". Some sort of yogic power generated this thing seemingly out of thin air, there's no way it is mechanical in any sense we are familiar with, especially since they seem to often violate the laws of physics as we understand them. I have heard elsewhere that such vehicles are controlled or summoned by mantras. Alongside this though, we do know that there were many more types of interesting forms of technology that seem to be material in the sense most familiar to us that were possessed by the Aryans of India. These were known as yantras or machines. For example Kautilya's Arthashastra from the 3rd century BC mentions technology such as the sarvatobhadra, a rotating wheel which threw stones, or the jamadagnya, a large arrow-shooting machine, among others. Now I have focused almost exclusively on India in this post, but I don't think that this is necessarily bad, because out of all of the ancient traditions we are aware of, possible forms of ancient technology are detailed in much more detail than anywhere else. Plus, we see vimana-like tech in European examples as well.
>>17150 The more reasonable descriptions are not too far from what Romans already used back then, such as ballistas. But the far fetched type presented in myths is not something I would take at face value at all. It would be rather childish to do so imho because these events are not to be taken literally, they hide a deeper meaning.
>>17162 What would that deeper meaning be though? The way these things are described seems to me to defy any sort of explanation except for comparisons with modern day UFO phenomena. There are further descriptions of these things carrying out aerial bombardments (the story of Śālva's vimana attacking Dvārakā), outer space travel via means of some sort of mystical chariot in the Mahabharata by Arjuna, and numerous other examples. I'm of course open to alternative explanations, but from using my own thoughts alone I'm at a loss.
>>17168 Right. There is the possibility that the author had a "fantasy" moment and added something that would look epic and cool. Jesus walking on water. Virgins having babies. Castles suddenly disappearing, swords fighting on their own, etc. On top of this, to get closer to your train of thought, we might give some cautious credit to potential influences from very old times, remnants of tales. I'm not entirely dismissing the possibility of some space age wuzzing that might have happened 100K years ago. This could dispute the whole of evolution, suggest racial intermixing, genetic manipulation (splicing), etc. It's technologically feasible, that's what I mean. The lack of evidence is the issue here. Perhaps it's also deeply buried in the crust of this world. After all, we have had some smart people obsessed with building structures modeled after the stars, and in particular the Orion belt: There are at least three or four such compounds on this planet, the most known being on the Gizeh plateau. We also know of the underwater ruins. And on the "fringest" part of it, we have remote viewing and Mars, Cydonia and such stuff which might be akin to an entire mound of extremely eroded and buried human history. Then, either by influence of external minds that humans might have at times called Angels, Gods, etc., some fragments of knowledge or memory might have sipped through. In other places, tales might have miraculously preserved references to spectacular levels of technology and perhaps psychotronics but in very smoothed ways so that they would have been impossible to understand until we actually reached the revival of the beginnings of such an age of technology, with access to electricity, quantum realism and knowledge of nuclear physics for example. In a way, what is also infuriating about the Great Reset is that we, humans, did go through natural catastrophes that absolutely wrecked the world and pushed us back into being cave dwellers, yet we find mad men who are willing to reproduce this to some extent, as a soft reset in fact because they want to force a transition into the mass surveillance robotic nightmare of clueless peons living in a automatized machine world. Now think of this, really, doesn't it sound like something out of a fictional book? What would the tales of the future sound like when they'll try to explain to the audiences what we went through, what humanity waded through for thousands of years? Entertain for a moment the thought of another one of these dreadful rocks falling upon Earth and literally erasing eons of technological advancements all the while exterminating billions of people in one single hour of a day. You know, these many reboots and all that, it's all so tiresome.
Do you have any info about the possibility of Whites being included in three kingdoms China?
>>17241 The most we know this that for one there were more European-like populations in the area of the kingdom of Wei some 2,500 years ago. We definitely know that Whites existed to West of there in modern day Gansu in the 6th and 7th centuries AD based on commentaries >>12048. The one quoted there calls their White features strange, suggesting that they are already chinked up for the most part by that time if White features appear bizarre. My guess based on: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10958855/ c. 480 B.C. - Chinese in Linzi appear to be much closer to modern day Europeans c. 20 A.D. - Chinese were apparently intermediate between the population of today and European populations 220 to 280 AD - Three Kingdoms age. Population like fairly chinked up but somewhat Europoid c. 6th and 7th centuries A.D. - the race of Chinese commentators is different enough from Caucausoid barbarians to note how strange their appearance is and how they have blue eyes and red hair
>>17249 In other words, out distant racial cousins got totally swamped by gooks. The same thing happens today, times one thousand.
>>17714 *our
>>17714 >>17716 Yes. It's hard to say what happened, but my guess is they got flooded by nomadic tribes of the mongoloid variety, and somehow gradually intermixed with them. Unfortunately in those days our racial science was not strong. We might have instinctually kept to our own in many situations, but without true knowledge and understanding of its long term negative effects, things such as this can happen. The history of China is one long history of racial degradation, mixture with Mongols, Manchu and all sorts of other people
>>12743 Another possibility is that these White men had a plan and really needed, for some reason, to build those massive and impressive buildings at specific locations, but needed cheap labour. In order to get it, they had to organize the indigenous people and create a stable enough society, gaining authority from a display of advanced sciences. So it's not like they necessarily liked the people they "manipulated", it's more like they didn't have a better workforce to team up with. Then, Whites being Whites, they still couldn't help but try to improve on the lives of the people who worked for them. Empathy or hubris.
>>18138 Idk what the modern day WNs or NS would do in that situation? As in what would they do with the other peoples at that moment.
>>18186 National Socialists would kill them, White Nationalists would bow down and kiss their precious feet.
>>18192 Why though? Other races have improved thanks to White people. The two races that aren't appreciative of White people are niggers and jews.
>>18336 >Other races have improved thanks to White people And look where that has gotten us. The downfall of the White world.
>>18336 Latinos hate Whites too at large.
>>18340 True. But according to many here, even a self-hating nigger or a chink or a shitskin is pathetic? For what, realising the truth?
>>18192 Thus why White supremacy and National Socialism should just be one and the same, White Nationalists are cucks, where the majority of them aren't even White.
>>18385 American latinos maybe, outside few care other than joke material or petty excuses on why someone doesn't get a raise or promotion, the latter are also made by the usual indoctrinated deep rural peasants which are actually not that common nowadays. One thing is true, most everyone dislikes americans, if an european landed or behaved properly in a latin american place he would be deemed a curiosity or even a protected individual.
>>18443 Realizing the truth of something does not entail or justify wallowing in despair for the rest of one’s life like a little bitch.
>>18451 But they cannot do anything. All they know is that God's only true chosen people are White people. The rest are to be eliminated because the home of the Whites is Earth. >inb4 they can help their people out and better themselves 1) So? Doesn't change the fact that Whites will conquer the globe and murder all non-Whites with the best technology and minds. You think "White nationalism" is the end goal? Look around to what other anons here think and you'll realise that WLP (in his book Turner diaries) wrote about "expansion". Another thing to remember, the other races are being successful because White people's resources and technology. And that's the ONLY reason. 2) Non-Whites will still feel inferior because at the end of the day, Whites are superior. Even a stupid low IQ White man is better than a smart nigger or shitskin. Why? He's White. >inb4 then why were non-Whites born I honestly don't know. It's just sad really.
>>18452 >God's only true chosen people are White people.
>>18457 I believe he was talking about that from a Cosmotheist perspective not CI.
>>18483 Reading it again, maybe you are right. Around that time yesterday there was a Christian shitting up the board, so I latched onto the Abrahamic phrasing in that post maybe too much. For the other anon, sorry if I attacked you without good reason.
>>18457 >I'm sorry Nah it's all good. What I said in my post is true. Many WN/NS people refuse to address this. I think it's because many people around the world (chinks, nigs, poos, Whites, spics) are friends with each other. I've seen super race realists who have friends not of the same race. Nothing wrong with that but that's just my opinion. As long as they don't racemix obviously.
>>18138 >Another possibility is that these White men had a plan and really needed, for some reason, to build those massive and impressive buildings at specific locations If that was the case, it would have most likely been for religious purposes.
>>11938 First pic does not convince me at all that the Romans and Italians today were and are White. What did the average Roman look like before and after the Empire was established or at least before Caesar? The average Italian looks like they were descendants of slaves, so it makes me think that they didn't look like they used to during shifting populations within the city of Rome. I've always wondered what the Romans saw as far as appearances and phenotype as the ideal and epitome of what the ideal Roman should look like.
>>19505 That first pic is actually an act of subversion from an anti-White leftist named "Daniel Voshart"
>>19506 Your second pic seems to be the only evidence you guys have, what I'm asking here isn't for the Emperors of Rome's apperances and representation of what they look like, because that's like saying that the Ethiopians are Arabs, because their ruler is one.
>>19508 The best way to test the idea that the general population was far swarthy than the elites would be to look for mentions of it in ancient texts. I'm not aware of anybody whoever mentions the commoners looking so vastly different either in skin color or general phenotype however (which isn't to say such evidence doesn't exist).
>>11859 The Dasas are the Drahae, which were an Indo-Scythian tribes from which the Parthians were descended from and were most certainly Aryan (Dasas and Aryans were often allies) I'm sorry but that image conflated the dark skin of lower castes vs the Dasas are a false conflation.
>>19545 Similarity of sound =/= same origin. Dasa came to mean slave, and the slave caste of India was were the shudras, who were descended from the dark-skinned savages conquered by the Aryans. If they were so Aryan it begs the question as to why they are associated in Vedic texts with terms such as ‘adhara’ (low, vile, inferior), ‘amanusha’ (inhuman, not human) or ‘a-nās’ / ‘an-ās’, meaning ‘without nose’ or ‘without mouth’ depending on which analysis one takes. With the nose interpretation, it is definitely clear that many Dravidians have flat, negroid noses. The debate far from as settled as you make it to be.
>>19549 >>19550 Dasa came to be conflated with "barbarian" and later foreigner. They just borrowed the term Dasa and used it for other foreign peoples. >The Dahae may be connected to the Dasas (Sanskrit दास Dāsa), mentioned in ancient Hindu texts such as the Rigveda as enemies of the Ārya. The proper noun Dasa appears to share the same root as the Sanskrit dasyu, meaning "hostile people" or "demons" (as well as the Avestan dax́iiu and Old Persian dahyu or dahạyu, meaning "province" or "mass of people"). Because of these pejorative implications, a tribe called the Dāhī – mentioned in Avestan sources (Yašt 13.144) as adhering to Zoroastrianism – is not generally identified with the Dahae.[5] Conversely the Khotanese word daha- meaning "man" or "male" was linked to the Dahae by the Indologist Sten Konow (1912). This appears to be cognate with nouns in other Eastern Iranian languages, such as a Persian word for "servant", dāh and the Sogdian dʾyh or dʾy, meaning "slave woman".[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae
>>19553 I read the same Wikipedia page as you did and still wrote what I wrote afterwords. It’s one theory among others.
More evidence for White China >Serica (/ˈsɛrɪkə/) was one of the easternmost countries of Asia known to the Ancient Greek and Roman geographers. It is generally taken as referring to North China during its Zhou, Qin, and Han dynasties, as it was reached via the overland Silk Road in contrast to the Sinae, who were reached via the maritime routes. >These people, they said, exceeded the ordinary human height, had flaxen hair, and blue eyes, and made an uncouth sort of noise by way of talking, having no language of their own for the purpose of communicating their thoughts. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin.+Nat.+6.24
>>17249 >https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/20/2/214/1003271 Why you shouldn't trust scientists, first comes the denial of Euros being present in China and now the denial of the Indo-Euro invasion. DNA tests are the greatest frauds and you shouldn't trust them to draw conclusions, because scientists will remember to be political about everything.
>>19928 Do DNA scientists really know just from examining your chromosomes, what your ancestors or people from an old civilization were like or is this all just a lie, so they can use it for political purposes?
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>>19928 Interestingly the first article seems to be mainly the product of Japanese scientists, while the reply allegedly debunking this that you have posted is literally all chinks except one guy.
>>19934 I must be blind as a bat, because not even I noticed this as well. The Nipponese really are honorary aryans. But yeah it is interesting how this DNA tests is coming from the Chinese and the ones who did the first tests had no involvement or at least a heard of response to this one done by the chinks this time. It's possible that China's scientists were specifically made to lie by the CCP and I don't think this is the first time or ever going to be the first time either.
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>>19938 There's almost certainly a CCP coverup, just look at some of the excerpts from this Jew York Times article that I have attached to my post. Only Chinese scientists (as of 2008 at least) were allowed to study the red-haired mummies of the Tarim Basin, and have produced contradictory evidence to what other studies have shown. They can't be trusted at all. They are desperate to hide the truth. https://archive.fo/58dDc
>>19940 Thus proves anon's point that DNA tests can't be trusted. Why are they covering up the Tocharian mummies in the first place are they supposed to be some important impact on Chinese history or something
>>19953 They're covering it up because they're really not part of Chinese history, at least in the sense that China = Han Chinese. The mummies in Tarim Basin of course have literally nothing to do with China as it exists today outside of the bare fact of existing within the borders controlled by modern China. The Han group descend from the Huaxia, a tribal confederation living alongside the Yellow River. They like to pretend that they are all China is and have ever been, so these revelations, that China in the past may have been a completely different world, would be extremely damaging to their pride and national identity. Just think of the cases of the earliest discovered paper fragments as mentioned in >>12152. The provinces that the earliest scraps have been found in are the modern province of Gansu, which, as the other anon notes >>12152, is the exact province where blue-eyed, red-haired barbarians were reported to be living. Did Whites invent paper then? I don't know, but one can imagine the result of what would happen to the Han self-esteem if it turned out that races that don't even exist there anymore played some sort of major role in the history of what is today defined as China. .
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>>19953 >>19955 People tend to forget that China is a massive empire encompassing many different ethnic and religious groups and even races. What we think of as 'Chinese' history and culture is merely that of the Han Chinese and maybe Manchurian's, the latter used to control China before the Communist take-over.
>>20145 Exactly. Here are some more maps which demonstrate this point in ethnic / linguistic terms. Places like Tibet used to be like an entirely different world before the communists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-BOWf5C1Co
I heard there existed a blue eyed samurai who wasn't a foreigner. If one existed what was their name?
>>20341 he was just an ainu. Some people say the ainu had White blood but it's unconfirmed. They're well known to be a superior race though
>>20341 I've seen in two different places people claiming that this guy Yamanaka Shikanosuke had blue eyes, but I've never seen anyone provide the source in a text. It is true that he does have bluish-green eyes in this image though. Everything else that comes up is just about William Adams Pic is from here: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B1%B1%E4%B8%AD%E5%B9%B8%E7%9B%9B
>>20343 One guy huh? I thought they were at least two guys, but this is rather interesting. I wonder how he got it, although I heard that some Asians get some eye disease that gives them blue-eye for some reason. I wonder if there were entire villages and a nobility with blue-eyes.
>>19506 Total bullshit. Hadrian most likely resembled a North Atlantid, as he was a mix of Mediterranean and Nordid features, like some Anglos. Thus, it was likely he had brown or black hair with blue or green eyes.
>>20455 >had brown or black hair I believe it was said that his hair was not authentic, but he wore a wig, because he really liked the Gayreeks. I don't think we know what his hair actually looks like, but that's just proof that Hadrian and the Romans interbred with undesirables and thus collasped.
>>20459 But at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if the kikes are intentionally making him look like a sandnigger. Unlike Hitler, Hadrian actually gave the kikes a real holocaust, one that actually killed more than the fake six million going by the number of Jews at the time. So I would not be surprised if they were trying to give him the chedderman treatment.
>>20463 The real question here is if the statues really did come from Ancient Rome or Greece and aren't modern statues made to make Hadrian look this he said to look like on purpose. I know Hadrian's supposed twink boyfriend has statue, but I believe it was made only in the modern age, but I wonder if this is also the case for most of them as well and we don't really know what the Romans and Greeks look like, but only interpations.
>>20476 That's going to be difficult to prove, because there are no leads or at least none I know of that brings the possibility that Hadrian and the five good emperors did not look what their statues depict them. It's also kind of wonders me why the left has such a fixation on them as well. Hadrian's case makes sense, because of the whole Antinious gay lover thing, but the others emperors makes me wonder if they're doing it on purpose to shill muh multiracial Rome.
https://strangesounds.org/2020/02/red-haired-cannibal-giant-lovelock-cave-video.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1r501_RP2U Not quoting the whole thing, it's quite the long article. Skipping on the Paiute's tale and other filler. I had to trim this down so you'll read only what amounts to appetizers. Please read the whole paper. >What about the red-haired giants of Lovelock Cave, Nevada? >Giant remains have been discovered under four feet of guano in Lovelock Cave in Nevada. >According to the Paiutes, the mummiffied remains belonged to the Si-Te-Cah, a legendary red haired band of cannibalistic giants roaming the area. >The Oral Tradition >The northern Paiutes of Nevada have an ancient oral tradition that they have passed down from generation to generation that usually causes the hearer to pause in bewilderment. The Paiutes state that long ago in ages past they went to war against a ferocious enemy known as the “Si-Te-Cah” or “Saiduka.” >The Cave >About 93 miles northeast of Reno and situated inside an outcrop of limestone that forms part of the Humboldt Mountains, Lovelock Cave sits like an ancient fortress. As I entered this massive cave that is approximately 150' x 35' at its widest point, I felt as if I was going back in time. The first thing I noticed was that the entire cave roof was charred black from fire and smoke. >The Artifacts And Specimens >countless well-preserved prehistoric artifacts. > The collection was divided up between the Nevada Historical Society and the University of California. A further excavation was conducted in 1924 by the Heye Foundation who employed M.R. Harrington, who also collaborated with Loud. >Loud and Harrington mention a few different dates regarding when ancient inhabitants might have first visited Lovelock Cave with the oldest date being around 4000 B.C. >However, a mummy found nearby in Spirit Cave, has since been carbon dated at around 10,000 B.C. >artifacts, specimens and remnants of advanced basketry, weaving, pipes, ice picks, nets, balls, knots, darts, horns, weapons, skin, human body parts, zoomorphic stone effigies and more. >The Calendar >Duck decoys >The Sandals >The Burnt Arrow Shafts >The Giant Pestle >The Northern Paiute have accounts of an extinct people living in various localities in Nevada which recall the beliefs in northwestern California regarding an ancient now extinct race of supernatural beings. >Based on their oral traditions, the northern Paiutes would be the only people to have actually seen the red-haired giants known as the “Si-Te-Cah” alive in the flesh. However, there are many witnesses who claim to have seen the bones and skulls of these prehistoric cannibalistic carnivores that measured anywhere from 7 feet to 10 feet in length. >a striking looking body of a man ‘ six feet six inches tall. ‘ His body was mummified and his hair distinctly red… the man was “a giant. >7 feet 7 or 6 inches in height… It had been buried in a shroud and covered with a dark substance, perhaps charcoal.” >the skeleton was recovered… it was deduced that this man had been “nine and one half or possibly ten feet” tall. >Much of the hair found on the mummies in the cave is reddish. >The Mummies and Giant Skeletons Discovered Near Lovelock >One measured 8.5 feet in length and was described as having been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similar to Egyptian mummies. The other skeleton was nearly 10-feet long. >13 miles east of Fallon Nevada is Spirit Cave. In 1940, two very well preserved mummies were found expertly wrapped in highly sophisticated weaving by Sydney & Georgia Wheeler working for the Nevada Sate parks division. >The mummies were radio carbon dated to 9,400 years before the present. >the mummies were of Caucasian origin, with a long face and cranium that most closely resembled either Nordic or Ainu ancestry >and bore no ancestry relationship to either the Paiute or Shoshone tribes. >The Humboldt Museum Witnesses >There are a handful of people who have testified to seeing giant skulls from Lovelock Cave in a storage room at the Humboldt Museum in Winnemuca, Nevada. Two of theses witnesses are Don Monroe and M.K. Davis. >I asked why they weren’t on display and she said it was because they did not want them to be taken away by any claim from the Indians, and also that Nevada state does not deem them authentic. But according to accounts of Indians themselves, they are not even the same race. I asked her if it was true if there were large red headed mummies taken from the cave, and she said that they were and that she had seen them, but they were taken to UC Berkeley… >the scientific community has assiduously scrubbed all references to the six-to-eight-foot-tall, red-haired skeletons found at the site. >repeated effort to clear the historical record of all references to a pre-Indian Caucasian culture in the United States >NAGPRA policies of the federal government, which works on agendas based on political correctness and not objective science. >The question is why would men of science deliberately engage in this? And, I bel
NAGPRA, AKA Muh Outraged Natives Act https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nagpra/index.htm Presumes that anything predating Columbus must be Sibero-American (well, "Native"). https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nagpra/grants.htm >How to shekelling 101 >muh hobocaust too >conquerors bad Huns and Mongols anyone? >>Does your Right Wing "leader" tell you that the Mongols of Genghis Khan were the same race as the American Indians that our masters falsely call Native Americans? >>Does he tell you that they took our people, especially our women, as slaves? >>Revolution by Number 14, Chapter II — David Lane https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nagpra/previously-awarded-grants.htm >The National Park Service has provided over 1000 NAGPRA grants to Indian tribes and museums over 25 years: >Over $48 million https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=fbd948b837ee3f6bad491913e5299054&mc=true&node=pt43.1.10&rgn=div5#se43.1.10_14 https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/Native%20American%20Graves%20Protection%20and%20Repatriation%20Act.pdf >tribal is tribal! If it's on tribal lands, then it's tribal. >(2) "cultural affiliation" That's a caveat I suppose but it's easily dismissed. Any bribed tribe can quickly claim the discoveries and the ZOG's Federal authorities will immediately comply. >(9) "Native American" means of, or relating to, a tribe, people, or culture that is indigenous to the United States. They never migrated. So historically, all ur land are belong to them. Understood, Whitey? >The ownership or control of Native American cultural items which are excavated or discovered on Federal or tribal lands after November 16, 1990, shall be (with priority given in the order listed)— >(1) in the case of Native American human remains and associated funerary objects, in the lineal descendants ofthe Native American; or >(2) in any case in which such lineal descendants cannot be ascertained, and in the case of unassociated funerary objects, sacred objects, and objects of cultural patrimony— >(A) in the Indian tribe or Native Hawaiian organization on whose tribal land such objects or remains were discovered; >(B) in the Indian tribe or Native Hawaiian organization which has the closest cultural affiliation with such remains or objects and which, upon notice, states a claim for such remains or objects; or >(C) if the cultural affiliation of the objects cannot be reasonably ascertained and if the objects were discovered on Federal land that is recognized by a final judgment of the Indian Claims Commission or the United States Court of Claims as the aboriginal land of some Indian tribe— >(1) in the Indian tribe that is recognized as aboriginally occupying the area in which the objects were discovered, if upon notice, such tribe states a claim for such remains or objects, or >(2) if it can be shown by a preponderance of the evidence that a different tribe has a stronger cultural relationship with the remains or objects than the tribe or organization specified in paragraph (1), in the Indian tribe that has the strongest demonstrated relationship, if upon notice, such tribe states a claim for such remains or objects. (2).(A/B) and below cover the cases of "dunno where from so ours".
>>19526 I'm so glad that his work gets greater and greater attention on this board.
>>19938 They would have to let many of "their" tombs and pyramids open to White archeologists. This will never happen until they've been dealt a strong blow. There's like 1.4 billion Chinamen standing between us and our ancient relics.
>>21079 they don't want any of the information in those tombs to reach the light of day regardless of whether it's chinese or otherwise doing the excavation. Over the past 100,000 years or so there have been a lot of people of very different ancestry living throughout mainland china. That goes directly against the state-sponsored mythology of there being one or two dominant, superior races who developed everything noteworthy in the country. What do you think the chinese government would think about a chinese university going around saying they found a bunch of red-haired mummies near the place where paper was supposedly invented? I bet every single one of them would meet with unfortunate accidents
>>21076 This is exactly what happened with Kennewick man, isn't it? What this law serves to do is cover up any sort of investigation of who the ancient inhabitants of North America were because 'muh sacred bones'
>>11772 i presume the White looking people of east asia were not purely aryans but rather a half-PIE half-turkic race, since it's unlikely that PIE people trampled over another nomadic culture to get to the settled lands on the other side of central asia. https://www.quora.com/Did-ancient-Turks-really-have-Caucasoid-features-like-red-or-blonde-hair-and-green-eyes or maybe the central asian turkics were an offshoot of the PIE people who spoke a different language for some reason.
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>>21140 For the mummies of the Tarim Basin in China, I think we can be more certain of their Indo-European ancestry. For one, we obviously know that an Indo-European language, Tocharian, was spoken here until the 10th century AD. Uyghurs, who are themselves (partially) Turkish. Interestingly Uyghurs began to really settle in the area after 840, and likely intermarried with the natives and caused the Indo-European languages of the region to go extinct. It's very possible that some Turks have historically been more Caucausoid (even if not Indo-European / Aryan). I would have to research it more. It has been theorized that the common ancestor of the Turkish language family today may have originated in Mongolia though, and indeed there have been found ancient Turkish inscriptions in the Orkhon Valley in central Mongolia. This could mean that if Genghis Khan was White with red hair and blue eyes, he might have been a Turk
IIRC, a long time ago Anatolia was chiefly settled by White tribes. The Turkic presence is more recent. Mixing might have happened and with climatic conditions becoming warmer, or because of war, some population might have migrated north through the Caucasus, back into lands where Whites also lived before they moved out of this area many thousands of years ago. So I would not call Turks a White people, but for the same reason we find a high concentration of Caucasian admixture in some Turks, the same can explain how in the past two people mixed.
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>>21150 Yes, Anatolia used to be full of Indo-European speakers, especially Greeks. The term Turk is kind of vague though. Just look at these images, which show (in order) >Yakut >Salar >Turkmen >Uzbek >Kyrgyz None of them really look White at all to me. They're all pretty Asiatic, some more than others. It really says a lot that the Uzbeks in the fourth picture are probably the most White looking, and that is a stretch to even say. Any more Europoid looking Turks in Anatolia probably come from intermarriage with native Indo-Europeans, just like why Uyghurs sometimes look very Aryan
I personally met Turks who were much darker than the ones in your picture. On another hand, they manage to prop a good number of very White ones in their sports teams.
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>>21152 There is nothing vague about that. Turkic peoples are Central Asian, except that the biggest group of them are the Ottoman Turks who are therefore simply known as Turks. Said Ottoman Turks conquered the Anatolia and mixed with the people already there. And Anatolia had a very mixed population even before that, because it had a bunch of random empires (like Hittites and Hurrians), then it was part of the Persian Empire, then Greeks started colonizing it, then it became part of the Roman Empire, then all kinds of slaves and mercenaries and whatnot started appearing there, and on top of that came the Ottoman Turks. Also, there is this belief that anyone west of the Urals is an Aryan Übermensch, and anyone east of it looks Chinese. As your pictures show, that's clearly not the case. Central Asians are Mongoloid, but Mongoloid doesn't mean Han Chinese. Their faces are flit, they have eyefolds, their skin is White but it's not the same kind of White as what Europeans have. You should read up a bit on anatomy if you are confused about this.
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>>20342 Ainu are Austronesians that are distantly related to Tibetans and the Andamanese according to halpogroups and presumably intermixed with Europeans when the Japan was still connected to Asia and travel by boat.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OARvX66Khx1j/ What do you guys think of this video about its supposed debunking of the aryan invasion theory in india?
>>21264 It's just Indian nationalist cope. I hate to use words like this, but that's the best way to explain it. Literally the only people who sperg endlessly about Aryan invasion being fake (or to put it more accurately maybe, Aryan migration) are people with a deep interest in making it look like they weren't invaded and given life from without by another race, i.e. modern-day Indians and followers of Indian religions regardless of race. Generally these people will conflate the invasion and migration theories, which are totally different, and act like they have debunked the incoming Aryans. Then there is totally ignoring of archeological, linguistic and genetic evidence in support of Aryan migration
>>21264 >debunk established genetic and linguistic proof >ever Yeah surely Raj here has no dog in the game at all!
>>21276 Clicking through at various points in the video he was talking about how Shudras provided basically ever economic product of value and kept the civilization afloat too. Seems like some sort of commie rhetoric. And it is like the hands or feet thinking they are the most important parts of the body, not knowing that they are merely tools for the brain to direct
>>21286 So it's not worth watching then. Besides It's a hilarious cope, when we already know about 50% of White europeans today have Ancient Egyptian ruling class bloodlines(who were White with ancestral dna, specifically haplogroup R1b1a2 which migrated from the Ukrainian black sea region 9500 years ago.) But for some reason this petty shitskin doesn't think they went to india as well even though there is ample genetic proof. Conveniently never goes over it either because genes stemming from race is virtually undeniable.
>>21289 It's also apparently so undeniable that Marxist academia can't even find a way out of affirming the idea of an Aryan influx of some kind, which is pretty funny.
>>21289 Every time i try looking up evidence for the Aryan invasion theory im shown the exact opposite from indian sites like this http://yugaparivartan.com/2016/01/20/aryan-invasion-theory-the-politics-part-i/ theres also part two and three to this shit. So where is the proof that the aryan invasion theory did happen? Also the leftist media (in india) seems to be using this to push "We are all mixed" shit on indians
>>21351 >Every time i try looking up evidence for the Aryan invasion theory >Aryan invasion theory You're looking up the wrong stuff. There is a difference between the AIT and the Aryan Migration Theory. The AIT may not have the support that it once did for various reasons, but the AMT is still as mainstream as it gets (not to say that mainstream = true of course, but it would be in academia's interest to cover this up if they could). The AIT is basically a strawman for Hindutva niggers to attack. There is zero evidence of any sort of "indigenous Aryan" theory in archeology, genetics, linguistics or anywhere else. All of the evidence with Sanskrit too points to this language being 'Dravidianized' in the sense that it became more similar phonologically to the languages of the area by adopting retroflex consonants and other common sounds of Indian languages, which are peculiar to languages of that region but not present in any reconstructions of Proto-Indo-European or in languages outside of the subcontinent region. The most sensible explanation is that Sanskrit isn't native to India, and that Sanskrit adapted to the norms of the region, rather than all other languages degenerating from Sanskrit or whatever they think. They can't accept any of this stuff because it conflicts with the insane puranic cosmologies and timescales. And even if some aspect of this theory was used by the British, it doesn't mean it's not true in some sense.
Is there any evidence or mention of China's gods or persons having blue-eyes or any European features distinct of that from the common Hans?
>For years the residents of the remote north western Chinese village of Liqian have believed they were special. >Many of the villagers have Western characteristics including green eyes and blonde hair leading some experts to suggest that they may be the descendants of a lost Roman legion that settled in the area. >Now DNA testing of the villagers has shown that almost two thirds of them are of Caucasian origin. https://archive.fo/v4CYU >>21537 I don’t know really any Chinese gods, but Bodhidharma has been described as a blue-eyed barbarian in Chinese and Japanese sources, and is credited with bringing Chan Buddhism to China (and thus by extension Zen to Japan). He is also credited with creating Shaolin Kung Fu. Where he came from is a bit of a mystery. Wikipedia says the “Western Regions, which can can mean: >the regions west of Yumen Pass, most often Central Asia or sometimes more specifically the easternmost portion of it (e.g. Altishahr or the Tarim Basin in southern Xinjiang) So maybe from what is modern China, maybe from a bit West of there
Most depictions of Cyrus the Great portray him as a Persian of the time did but this sketch transcribed from a tribute to him by his house shows him with a face that resembles an White Indo-European. The drawings and representations everyone makes of him depicts him as a typical Persian did at the time which is understandable as this is the only depiction of him left made during or around his time, and some interpretations have him sport a short full beard instead.
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>>21972 It's funny that recreations of that image that people have made give him a giant Semite nose, when this almost surely was not the case, especially given that many Iranians today often look quite White, a millennia after being Arabized / Islamized. Maybe he deserves it though, since Cyrus is the ultimate good goy
>>21977 From what I've seen Iranians always had that big straight nose among them, a jewish nose has a bumped and the tip is hooked. As for being a good goy I don't think him or anyone knew what an irrelevant tribe and religion among plenty in the region would end up 2,000 years later.
>>21972 >>21977 Persians descend from the same Indo-Iranics that would later branch off into the Indo-Aryans and the Scythians. Modern western christcuck artists depict him as a semitic babylonian-esque king, even though he would've had fair skin and light-brown or even blonde or redish hair.
>>21539 Anyone else get the 'Hey it's Arnold Schwarzenegger's 2nd Uncle' from that pic?
Albino members of the Bhatti tribe in rural Pakistan. It is far more common than in the average population, with 4.4% of the population. The Bhatti are descendents of kshatriyas, particularly the dynasty of the moon deities, just like Krishna http://iranjd.ir/article_101319_f1517fca34e8603f05897f35c93e6c5d.pdf

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