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Indo-European Religion / Paganism Thread Blackshirt 04/28/2020 (Tue) 19:39:58 ID: fe0edb No.10
Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Asatru, Rodnovery - whatever you like to study or even practice, post about ITT. Channels: Survive the Jive: https://www.youtube.com/user/ThomasRowsell DharmaNation: https://www.youtube.com/user/DharmaNation Partial ThuleanPerspective Archive: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/hhoe86QNkKLo/
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>>11 the cover for the bhagavad gita in the dharmapill reading list needs to be changed. that image is for the new one thats been pozzed by the jews that poisoned prabhupada and took over his movement. also it might as well list the website asitis.com as its the 1972 original online for free.
>>25 Noted. I probably still have the PSD for that image. If not it should not be too hard of a fix.
>>11 Is there slavic paganism reading list?
>>10 European culture is christian culture, and has been for more than a thousand years.
>>40 Do I really have the post the issue that lays out of timeline of European religion back to time immemorial as being fundamentally "pagan" and the blip of Christianity? Come home white man.
>>43 i support moving onto something else than christianity, but he has a point. we cant just ignore it and act like it never happened.
>>50 We definitely can't just ignore Christianity just as we cannot ignore other intellectual and social currents that have swept through our societies in the past. Christianity has undeniably colored our culture to a large extent, not to mention in terms of architecture and morality. The real question remains though how much of this had detrimental effects on our people and the struggle that we see before us today. I do not think that Christians should be "wiped out" or any sort of LARPy position like that, but a better alternative must be provided.
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>>52 >a better alternative but that christian A E S T H E T I C though
>>57 there are some more restrictive sects of christianity that claim a lot of mainstream and historical christian imagery and traditions and holidays are pagan in origin. could we perhaps reclaim these parts of christianity?
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>>10 What do you guys think of bentinho massaro, moreso from an impersonal perspective. what he talks about seems like the same thing of advaita vedanta but he's taking it out of the cultural context. i did a of him and found an article defending him from the attacks of a jewish tranny who wants to "decolonize yoga". seeing that he was getting hate from such a source, i started wondering if what hes doing is something we should start paying attention to. he's a spiritual guru without all the mystical bells, whistles, mysticism and general new age vibe. are people like him going to be the beginning of a new western spiritual enlightment that want be endangered by the pozz of foreign cultures? (wearing dots on heads, robes, strange names etc) https://medium.com/@avera.media/cult-mania-inside-the-attack-on-bentinho-massaro-part-1-881b5628b89a Bentinho Massaro https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=334&v=imbGWNpHMpM&feature=emb_logo Swami Sarvapriyananda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-RFz56gb9E
>>68 i've barely scratched the surface of this bentinho guy and already i can tell theres a lot we can rip on him for, but we should be paying attention to how successful he is. i've been beating this drum for awhile now wherever i can, we need to get a cult going to accelerate our political position. also the tranny who wrote a hit peice on him seems to be an expert at exposing cults. cults are the greatest threat to the sort of power that jews wield, that of controlling what you think, so it makes sense why theres been so much attack on mormons (pro-white angle) and other cults that ignore the big jew globohomo world view and are very resistant to outside influence (subversion)
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>>57 >implying that aesthetic isn’t as genuinely European as it gets
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.14: >"Now, Dharma is nothing but the truth. Therefore, when a man speaks the truth, people say that he speaks the Dharma; and when a man speaks the Dharma, people say that he speaks the truth. They are really the same thing." "He speaks the Dharma" - I need to incorporate this into my vocabulary kek
can we take a moment to just sit back and realize how the worship of the god emperor of man in warhammer 40k is the kind of beleif system we need? we already have hitler and some esoteric beliefs about him.
>>159 What we need is something much more rigorous that can incorporate the entire fascist / pagan worldview into a more or less rigorous foundation. A strong, more traditional conception of leadership is of course essential to this. I have been trying to write a version of the Dharma Manifesto (it’s a full re-do, not just rewording, drawing from a variety of sources) recently that actually takes these concepts to their final conclusions, which is nothing more than a pure affirmation of hierarchy, the justice of inequality, communitarian values, anti-secularism, tribalism, spirituality, etc — in short pure Jew-repellant. I’m only six to seven pages in, but this concept, the piece missing in the puzzle, is Dharma — or the Natural Order. People speak of this term, but they have to flesh it out and define it.
>>10 Those channels are co-opted by (((them))), otherwise you wouldn't be knowing about them nor would they be allowed on kiketube. Varg could be as well since his position is not really conductive to anything. >>58 And they are right about that, the only good parts about Christianity are coincidentally the "pagan" ones. The rest is a bunch of kike poz and pilpul. They had to incorporate a lot of elements from older, truer religions in order to make their monstrosity more appealing to Europeans, same happened with aesthetics, which were a result of European minds and their sensibilities, Christianity only being a theme. It was not the cause of any of that, it was merely a parasitic meme created by the ultimate parasite in order to leech on European creativity. Get rid of the (((tapeworm))) and you are good to go. >>69 "Cults" were historically the greatest threat to kike subverted societies, that's why they are creating so many of them today in order to attempt to preempt any damage. I see this trend in pretty much every movement, to the point that you actually get more kike subversives than genuine members at one point. The parasitic insect feels the need to subvert ahead, to have total control of information, to kosherize everything, from the most niche hobbies to the most niche beliefs (that would hardly pose a serious threat to them), because even a tiny speck of truth could destroy it. They are the organic lie. >so much attack on mormons (pro-white angle) and other cults that ignore the big jew globohomo world view and are very resistant to outside influence (subversion) A Jew (a rather prominent one) was one of leaders of the LDS (Mention of him was removed later) and it seems very poz'd today despite being somewhat based in the past. They raise people properly so they can corrupt them later on, they get a kick out of it.
>>166 I have recently learned that you are correct about STJ. He and his wife are utter degenerates and Zionists. His wife used to regularly hang out with niggers. If you browsed HS before it died you’ve probably seen this: https://ibb.co/album/gmCM6z I’ll have to get the BO to remove him from the OP. With DharmaNation I’d say that he doesn’t preach any direct pozz and is mostly valuable for his lectures on various topics and little more. Personally I like Varg, but more because of his lifestyle. He can be a little crazy sometimes
>>175 That's a shame. Could it not be that these were past mistakes and that they have now reformed?
>>176 It's possible, of course, but it definitely taints my image of him to know that he even considered marrying (and did marrying) a woman who openly posted pictures of her consuming copious amount of alcohol and hanging out with Zionists and both niggers and Arabs. I would be ashamed if I were STJ, someone who considers himself a traditionalist. I can excuse shit like having a Batman tattoo. It's very cringe but people do stuff like that before waking up, I guess.
>>177 >but it definitely taints my image of him to know that he even considered marrying (and did marrying) a woman who openly posted pictures of her consuming copious amount of alcohol and hanging out with Zionists and both niggers and Arabs good soil to plant seeds might just not exist anymore. you have to make do with what comes your way, or just not reproduce at all.
>>178 Maybe things are worse in Europe at this point, I don't know. Because this woman seems particularly pozzed to me. I do not think that they are all uniformly hanging out with non-whites and acting like alcoholics, but most likely are today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P14cRV-m6ZY in this video this guy speaks the greatest heresy of all abrahamic religion
>>50 >>52 Read The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity. Blessed are the rich, for they possess the earth and its glory. Blessed are the strong, for they can conquer kingdoms. Blessed are they with strong kinsmen, for they shall find help. Blessed are the warlike, for they shall win wealth and renown. Blessed are they who keep their faith, for they shall be honored. Blessed are they who are open handed, for they shall have friends and fame. Blessed are they who wreak vengeance, for they shall be offended no more, and they shall have honor and glory all the days of their life and eternal fame in ages to come. >>166 >>175 That's Swede for you unfortunately. I have it on good authority that StJ and DharmaNation are more radical than they portray themselves on youtube. Let's just say that the 9th avatar of Vishnu isn't the Buddha. If you sperg out on youtube, you're just gonna get banned, and being a silenced martyr doesn't help us.
>>213 With DharmaNation in particular I certainly agree. Especially in his last video on Abrahamism – wearing a Mjölnir pendant – it became very clear when he was describing ideal leadership and the structure of the nation. He is describing National Socialism here and there is no doubt about it — this is almost word-for-word the concept of the Volksgemeinschaft and blood and soil ideology. I’ve talked many times before too how in his Dharma Manifesto he openly cites Savitri Devi, Yukio Mishima, Kerry Bolton, Julius Evola, Francis Parker Yockey and other certified bad goyim. I wouldn’t be surprised if he realized the true divine inner nature of Adolf Hitler. The evidence is all there, you just have to be willing to accept the truth. With STJ — maybe you’re right. I’ve never seen him preaching outright subversion, but he could be toeing a like just like Śri Acharyaji. Regardless, slightly disappointing.
>>215 Dharmanation guy is an alex jones tier controlled op. Too many redflags, youre getting hooked in on hopium. Even ignoring that dogmatic adherence to orthodox hinduism is not the solution to our problems which is what this guy preaches. The mlojnir pendant and the bad goy associations begin and end at just an appearance. They are there to rope in people like you. This guy is basically Q for traditionalists trying to escape the cave of abrahamism, oh wait HE ACTUALLY IS A QTARD!!!!
>>215 >Sri Acharyaji Cult Member Detected
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>>262 I’m not even Hindu, I just like the channel and take what’s good from it and discard what’s bad (Q shit, anti-Nietzsche, etc).
>>175 >With DharmaNation I’d say that he doesn’t preach any direct pozz and is mostly valuable for his lectures on various topics and little more. That potentially makes him more insidious and dangerous. He might draw people who adhere to similar worldviews only to gradually poz and brainwash them (this is what modern cults do) until they are 100% kosher certified. You would be surprised how far the kikes go with their subversion. Some people will get hooked up to (((alt-right))) , some to pseudo-redpilled cults, some will get pressured into doing what Tarrant did and thus stop being a threat etc. Different approaches for different personality types, exploiting different flaws. You need to apply a certain matrice for evaluating literally every belief, group, movement etc. Does it, as it's logical conclusion, eliminate the "bad goy thoughts" or otherwise eliminate free thinkers as a threat to ZOG, or, it actually makes them more dangerous. Then you would use that as a parameter in a function which also includes the matrice evaluating every idea, action etc. as being either positively, neutrally or negatively conductive to the interests of the white race. Then you would stress-test it for subversion. This is why my posts might seem as overly-detailed ideological purism or nitpicking, but it's actually a preemptive measure since there are entire (((think tanks))), (((institutes))) and (((departments))) on the other side, the type of people who will effectively exploit even the tiniest cracks in the ideological or organizational structure, or personal flaws of organization's members. If you actually want to put up any resistance, you will need to treat any information from a counter-intelligence perspective. Anything less, and you will fail. >>213 > I have it on good authority that StJ and DharmaNation are more radical than they portray themselves on youtube. I wouldn't exclude that either. I mean all of us held kiked beliefs at one point or another, to judge people for being uninformed would be dishonest. As well as judging them for not revealing their power level entirely, I mean I would behave no differently personally, at least not in public. Automatically assuming everyone to be a subversive is another trap that we shouldn't fall into. Treat everyone as a potential subversive, but give them a benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to show their merits. It's exceedingly difficult to keep up the "perfect act" for too long, they always show their true face sooner or later. You just need to know to pick up the signals. >>262 Then the best approach would be to expose this guy to the "higher truth" and observe his reaction. Or at least filter the information which he provides according to the aforementioned matrices. I mean, I even read books written by literal kikes because they had some good ideas (even a broken clock is right twice a day I guess) while disregarding all the other (((tendencies))). Which seemed as a biological imperative rather than willful conspiracy. You'd be surprised how many of them actually believe their own pilpuls. They unironically believe themselves to be the "good guys" , or the victims when someone puts and end to their kikery (which is a trait typical of psychopaths, total lack of self-awareness). t. serbanon
>>269 >Which seemed as a biological imperative rather than willful conspiracy. You'd be surprised how many of them actually believe their own pilpuls. They unironically believe themselves to be the "good guys" , or the victims when someone puts and end to their kikery (which is a trait typical of psychopaths, total lack of self-awareness). This is the best way to understand the JQ. There’s certainly some level of collusion going on, but it’s most just Jews acting in accordance with their own natures. It’s very possible that they truly do not comprehend at all why the goyim despise them so much, so they turn to narcissistic delusions like “they must be jealous because I’m chosen by G*d” or “because I’m so intelligent”, I’m so successful”, etc. It’s like that one meme: “Do the goyim hate me because I am a parasite with double standards?” “Nah, it must because they’re anti-semites!”
>>269 >Which seemed as a biological imperative rather than willful conspiracy. >>272 >This is the best way to understand the JQ. Yes. One of the biggest deflections they use is making fun of the idea of an exaggerated Jewish conspiracy, like every Jew in the world is coordinating around a huge table in a dark room filled with cigar smoke. Instead, think of it as the Jewish algorithm - they have traits that make them feel better when they hide and subvert, together with memes from their rabbi that keep them genetically cohesive while living generations as a tiny minority in host populations.
Varg’s twitter followers put me in physical pain.
>>267 Sorry, i just got on edge a little bit, that guy has a serious follower here who is like a shill almost
>>309 That’s probably me also, honestly.
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--Helpful Anthropology-- >The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion by Frazer http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=BB5683559C1ECBD51A4F0A0D613EBE6C >The Sacred And The Profane: The Nature Of Religion by Eliade http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=3CF47842FD06FE2F7E74FBEF76785E06 >The Myth of the Eternal Return: Cosmos and History by Eliade http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=84AB14E863667060F6E0384B708E4FDE --Magick Itself-- >Visual Magick: a manual of freestyle shamanism by Jan Fries http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=58508975BEA05645EE09477BDDDCE557 >Cauldron of the Gods: A Manual of Celtic Magick by Fries http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=A287C6C74F9F09FD25E443FED9847075 >Liber Kaos by Carroll http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=19796024D30A71A81A5B16373C47CD43 --Vedic-- >Four Vedas http://libgen.lc/item/index.php?md5=0E2784CDC7A41C4FC9216133C30B7E42 >Ramayana (three volumes): https://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=D9E8B9BA21457A7C7AEC4F6420219397 https://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=54A8585A5A44BDB4F94799A62858010C https://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=F908378AC39CCE17BD021E2D36A441DE >Laws of Manu (Manu-smriti) http://libgen.lc/item/index.php?md5=4643068185498966D6E416140B8724B0 --Zoroastrian/Mazdayasna-- >Original Magic - Rituals and Initiations of the Persian Magi: https://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=389D009F8618379020AE60A6E178FF5D >Inner Fire https://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=B9275B5C901C97D04595A5707310B6B9 >Hymns Of Zoroaster https://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=FD2491509C82880E3619AA42B44D6C09 --Lucid Dreams & Astral Projection-- >Lucid Dreams by Celia Green (original pre-LaBerge academic) http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=8CD9124BD75157CB943B20AB5BD36C27 >Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce (great techniques) http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=F4F6DE45252479AEBE137EF8BCA12C0C >Dreaming Yourself Awake by B. Alan Wallace (Tibet!) http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=A89D9A1A7D51D541236B2DDB327C943C --Levenda's Sinister Forces Trilogy-- >Book One: http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=14F9590C75FE8E37ECD713BF454D29A4 >Book Two: http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=0A9C28333CB74DF2EE0476BD4BCC8869 >Book Three: http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=D7048B15DFC1C89962BCE1532616B3E0 --Colin Wilson's Occult Trilogy-- >The Occult http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=1A3FBB6CF60BE8EB00F817D3A7619A97 >Beyond The Occult http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=7E3F82E2A3B4C98A410A0C0BA09437D5 >Mysteries, An Investigation http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=1537244C988B06D32A9C1C00F7C080BE --Edred Thorsson-- >Futhark: A Handbook Of Rune Magic http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=34C56460D815C69295D072083833666D >Runelore: A Handbook Of Esoteric Runology http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=25C9637A21AC8F0011DA44FDA8865F05 >Galdabrok: An Icelandic Grimoire http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=3A6FB075F5A5E3817001CA73BDEFEE8B >Icelandic Magic: Practical Secrets of the Northern Grimoires http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=6BBF7F9ADAE3E80FF4139061CC44E8A6 --Evropa-- >Mabinogion (Celtic): http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=707F4C9D51B0C578182A1907B3DE472F >Kalevala (Finn): http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=C722D432632871EF64644F7980BCFBAB >Poetic Edda (Norse): http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=8C0B3233BFDAC66C107FF4B5433ED763 >Prose Edda: http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=97752A6313141CC3DBE096425C120985 >Nibelungenlied (German): http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=C794FD7CAFCCF3C581587111573A6456 >Greek Epics & Philosophy http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html
>>318 >>317 Nice collection
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>>272 Some do comprehend it, but many do not. Parasitic and harmful animals don't perceive their behavior as negative, but they also do not perceive themselves as victims when they get killed in defense or get eaten by something bigger and meaner. This is what sets the Jew apart. This "one-sided morality" is a very interesting phenomenon. Although I have observed it in narcissistic, psychopathic individuals of other races as well, what's a deviation for them seems to be a "factory setting" for a Jew. Making the few Jews who are not kikes a deviation. Which is normal, since they were selected for psychopathic traits for many centuries. They were literally bred this way. >>273 > Jewish algorithm Yes! This is the root of the JQ. They are genetic robots, barely more sapient than insects. Projecting our sapience, self-awareness, higher reason and freedom of choice on them is wrong, even in negative context. You can't go swimming among crocodiles and then hate them for biting you. It's your fault for assuming them to have the same nature as you do. They did not willingly choose to bite you either, it was their instinct. In the same manner, the Jew jews. The best supporting evidence for this is that they always kept jewing to their own determent, even when they had no concrete benefits from doing so. Repeatedly. >together with memes from their rabbi that keep them genetically cohesive Their religion is a sort of eugenic blueprint and maintenance manual. It's pure social engineering and I'm pretty certain that they were created as golems/pawns for something even more sinister. They had a tendency for selecting specific genetic traits as well. There is no such thing as a "Jewish race", it's a sort of genetic/memetic virus which overtakes whatever race (or mixture of races) that they breed with. That's why they can't understand racism, from their perspective, it actually doesn't make any sense. One host is as good as another, viruses don't discriminate. "Jewish race" is actually a STD. Instead of hating them for not being like you, it's better to try to "see the world" from it's own perspective. Then everything starts making sense. They count on whites reacting emotionally and hatefully to their nature (they even provoke it because it maintains their cohesion and feeds their delusions), they do not however, count on us actually trying to understand them.
>>328 I really wish this version of this thread was more about Indo-European ways and mythopoesis and not at all about the god damn stupid boring fucking kikes. They really live rent free in your head, dude.
I would really like your take on this. The way Europe demographically developed in Pre-Christian time was that it was first populated by Neolithic Europeans during the Stone Age. These Neolithic Europeans then declined at the end of the Stone Age/Begin of Bronze Age and into this gap the Indo-Europeans migrated, mixing with the leftovers of the Neolithic Europeans, during the Bronze Age then this mixture developed into the great European Ethnic groups during the Bronze Age which survive until today. Now while the Indo-Europeans are the proof of the shared origin of all White/Aryan/Caucasian people, what is the point following the Vedic/Hindu/Dharma religion beyond being the religious version of the "melting pot of cultures" for White/Aryan/Caucasians who have lost their roots? The birth of the great European Ethnic Groups and their distinct culture happened in the Bronze Age and since that is the start of a distinct Germanic, Celtic, Hellenistic, Italic, Baltic and Slavic culture as opposed to a generic Indo-European culture, shouldn't the religion of these cultures be the faith to follow for any true Nationalist? Why would you chose Dharma over Germanic or Celtic Paganism?
>>331 >what is the point following the Vedic/Hindu/Dharma religion beyond being the religious version of the "melting pot of cultures" for White/Aryan/Caucasians who have lost their roots? I agree that oftentimes it does seem to sort of be a religious melting-pot for rootless whites, who feel as if they can’t devote themselves wholly to one of the European traditions since they don’t come from that people. There seems to be a view that the Vedic is somehow a purer expression and closer to the spirit of Indo-European ‘original’. This is mainly because of the wealth of information we have from them spanning literally millennia. This is why some are very drawn to it, whether they are one of these more “rootless” types or not. I think a lot of people are like me though. I’m just kind of a dabbler since I’m a Euromutt– I am very Vedic influenced, I hold a lot of the presuppositions common to the pagan worldview about the world but I also read stuff like the Hávamál and find great wisdom in there. >shouldn't the religion of these cultures be the faith to follow for any true Nationalist? If I were Germanic I would certainly devote myself to Asatru, or Rodnovery if I were Slavic. Granted I would probably fill in the gaps with Vedic stuff like many do today. Abrahamists don’t understand that non-Abrahamic spirituality inherently permits a plurality of expressions and norms by its very nature, and the contingent nature of different forms on different cultures and groups, which are an expression of their particularistic mentality and view of the world within a certain context.
>>331 I draw the line at the Irianian-Indian split. Basically, since Mohenjo Daro culture has recently been proven to have been Dravidian, https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/20180910-rakhigarhi-dna-study-findings-indus-valley-civilisation-1327247-2018-08-31 Then Zoroaster revolts against this cultural blending, Zoroastrianism is still the earliest amd most complete Advanced Aryan Religion. Other than that, pre-christian european philosophy is lost to time except for outright witchcraft like The Galdabrok or myth and legend. If you or others want to work out a true philosophy from those myths and legends, please do, because that entire ground has been ceded to liberal and left wing multiculturalists (NeoPagans, Contemporary Heathenry, fucking Wicca, Asatru groups) and even these are extremely vague and focus on ceremonial magic. Now, some ignorant retards claim all kinds of dumb things about Zoroastrianism, like it's universalist or monotheistic. Those people are absolutely wrong, and this is very easily verifiable.
Here's some reddit guy's thoughts on philosophical Heathenry >Am having drinks, so bear with me. There isn't much of a thesis but it's basically that the ontology in BT is very similar to Norse cosmology. To put it crudely, in BT, Heidegger writes that Dasein (us) feel anxiety because we know that we are going to die some day. This anxiety drives us to want to live our lives in a way such that we can die happy with ourselves and our accomplishments (which is hard because we have limited possibilities due to time). When we perceive the world, we perceive it as it is in the present moment, which has been caused by everything that has happened in the past. Things in the present are "in motion", so we Dasein find ourselves "thrown" into the future as every moment passes into the next moment. We have the option to "project" ourselves in different directions by making choices that expand our horizons and give us new options to live our lives well. If we can accept that our fate is to eventually die, and can use that resignation to have better control over our lives, we can project ourselves into the life that we want to live, and we can say that we are living authentically. >This is strikingly similar to the cosmology of the Urd's Well and the Tree, in which the Well and the orlog represent the past, that which has already happened and has been "laid down" as law and which produces the present moment, which is represented by the tree. The things that happen in the present pass into the past, like dew from the tree running into the Well, and nurtures the world (the tree) into the the following present moment, and this process continues forever. We have the ability to affect the world by acting in ways that change it, and those people who affect the world in drastic ways (which help a lot of people out) are considered "great men" or "heroes", giving us mortals something to strive for in life, willing ourselves to a better world (or at least one where we have influence!). The metaphor applies to individual lives as well, except there is an end point (death), and every action we take drives our lives towards fate. >Sorry for the mess, I've had a lot to drink. It's not a very compelling "thesis" because it's really just a comparison and explanation of both, but my major hope for this paper is to get some philosophy students interested in Norse mythology (and thus willing to write more papers) as well as to share Heidegger with heathens, because I love Heidegger. There's probably something to be said about comparing the "authentic" with the "heroic", which I recognize as clearly different, but for an undergraduate journal I think I'm better off being concise and just sticking to BT vs The Well. I can see a path toward establishing some European Heathen Contemporary Philosophy in this manner, much in the way James Maffie has done for Aztec Philosophy. I think Process Philosophy is a great place to start in on a contemporary system, because most interpretation of existing stuff, even complex stuff like Vedism or Zoroastrianism, are very much colored by Neoplatonism, Plato and Aristotle, and we need to recognize this. I do think though, that Vedanta of any kind, even more purely Aryan like Madhvacharya's Dvaita, is pozzed by Dravidian and Nastika influence. The funny part is that we the multi-ethnic europeans (I'm Dutch, German, Scots, Irish, English and French. So I'm just as interested in Celtic as Germanic stuff) need to recognize that Appeal To Antiquity is a losing battle. While conservative thought is prescriptive and traditional, we need to establish a contemporary application. This may require a universalist view of Indo-European aka Aryan systems, where we admit Thor, Shakra, and Zeus are the same on a philosophical level, and just go with "Lightning" and assign it a philosophical value based on the comparison and interpretation of the myths of Shakra, Thor, Zeus &c. This however, if not intelligently and consciously handled, if it's left to organic and decentralized emergence, we'll end up with White People Santeria. And I'd rather kill myself
Some more comments from that reddit thread (will have to be careful to see how pozzed they are. I also hate the fools that buy into Guenon and Evola because those two thought Advaita and Tantra were aryan when in fact Shiva & Shakti are Dravidian gods.) >"The Well and Tree: World and Time in Early Germanic Culture" is a good one, and there's a free copy of it in this subreddit if you use the search. There's also "The Road to Hel", which covers the various Germanic world views regarding death. You can also get that one for free from the Our Heathen Gods website. >For philosophy books that are more general but still related, "A World Full of Gods: An Inquiry into Polytheism" and "Myth of the Eternal Return" would probably be my next suggestions. >Culture of the Teutons by Groenbech >Way of the Heathen, by Garman Lord.
>>336 >Process Philosophy I'm not as philosophically literate as I'd like to be, but I've always thought that the type of stuff along this line was fairly intuitive, sort of like Heraclitus' "everything flows" or concepts of impermanence. These sort of themes seem prevalent in Indo-European thought. Do you have any reading recommendations on this type of philosophy in particular? Really I've only read some Nietzsche, a little Aristotle, some Cicero, Confucius, Jacques Ellul—I'm all over the place.
>>338 >>338 Process Pluralism (as in not-monism, nothing to do with cultural pluralism): >A Key To Whitehead's Process And Reality https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=19DC6E16450ED2ED24F793B6C8D0591A Process Monism: >Aztec Philosophy: Understanding a World in Motion https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=0019864EFCA4119BAC4615C6B0D1009C I suggest Aztec Philosophy first for the simple fact that it's more accessible (easier reading, less obscurant language)
>>338 This might be a good start as well. Based on years of research into European epic literature as well as Vedic epics like Ramayana, I feel the authentic Celto-Germanic weltanschauung is a Process Philosophy, but I'm not sure if it's Pluralism or Monism. I lean towards Pluralism, as there is no entity like Brahman or Teotl that I've seen in actual text. Most of the scholars that claim Celtic Monism are just going by what feelies they get off of petroglyphs.
>>340 This was a lot more substantial and interesting than anything I expected, not gonna lie. You can definitely see that their belief in something like eternal cycles of becoming over an eternal permanence of being is pretty fundamental to everything else that's mentioned in the articles like the best way to live one's life and to maintain one's balance on the "slippery earth". I will have to check out the book on this that you linked above in another post. >>342 I only skimmed this one but I was surprised to run into a name that I had been looking into recently: Samuel Alexander. A lot of people would probably dismiss him just because he was a Jew, but the thing that made this guy catch my interest was his sort of teleological pantheism. His whole belief system was uncannily similar to me in some aspects to William Luther Pierce's Cosmotheism, which was also pantheistic and teleological, with the Creator going through a process of gradual self-realization on the path to Godhood. There's an Urge in all beings towards this final self-perfection. Pierce's views are of course tied in with various amounts of Social Darwinism and White Nationalism, but Alexander talks about almost the exact same thing. God as deity to him is potential, not yet actual, and is the next level above mind, which emerged from matter, which emerged from space-time. In space-time there is, according to him, a nisus or urge which progresses towards higher levels of existence and the emergence of new qualities. I've been wanting to read the two-volume book on this sometime soon, but I don't want to be filtered by my low level of knowledge. It's fascinating how they reached a similar system seemingly independently.
>>343 Madhvacharya's Dvaita is probably the only worthy Vedanta for similar reasons, even though it's a substance Ontology. It's truly unique from every other Post-Upanishadic tradition because Reality is REAL. Difference is REAL. Hierarchy MATTERS, and so on. Here's a chart if his cosmology, which also lays out the hierarchical arrangements
More info: >An Introduction to Madhva Vedanta https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=EB115906FDB33FDC08E75144430838ED From Wikipedia: >The metaphysical reality is plural, stated Madhvacharya.[6] There are primarily two tattvas or categories of reality — svatantra tattva (independent reality) and asvatantra tattva (dependent reality).[42] Ishvara (as God Vishnu or Krishna) is the cause of the universe and the only independent reality, in Madhvacharya's view.[42] The created universe is the dependent reality, consisting of Jīva (individual souls) and Jada (matter, material things).[6] Individual souls are plural, different and distinct realities. Jīvas are sentient and matter is non-sentient, according to Madhvacharya.[6][43] >Madhva further enumerates the difference between dependent and independent reality as a fivefold division (pancha-bheda) between God, souls and material things.[26] These differences are:[6][13] (1) Between material things; (2) Between material thing and soul; (3) Between material thing and God; (4) Between souls; and (5) Between soul and God. >This difference is neither temporary nor merely practical; it is an invariable and natural property of everything. Madhva calls it Taratamya (gradation in pluralism).[42] There is no object like another, according to Madhvacharya. There is no soul like another. All souls are unique, reflected in individual personalities. The sea is full; the tank is full; a pot is full; everything is full, yet each fullness is different, asserted Madhvacharya.[42][44] >Even in liberation (moksha), states Madhvacharya, the bliss is different for each person, based on each's degree of knowledge and spiritual perfection.[44][43] This liberation, according to him, is only achievable with grace of God Krishna.[18]
>>343 Wanted to note that my favorite takeaway from Maffie's book was that "Teotl is a gerund" Reminded me of the Bookchin quote: "our being is becoming not stasis"
>>330 >Don't discuss the root of the problem go- err I mean fellow white heathen, here are these handpicked works and my totally not narrative shifting interpretation of them which should teach you how to be a good goy and not listen to those stupid nazis, ok? In fact, your presence in this thread made those posts very on topic. Your activity after I made those posts is a clear giveaway. >>335 Zoroastrians were the original SJW's and kike enablers. It's funny to see you shift away from monism since you've been BTFO. I mean holy shit, just look at this kike rat lol. Pardon my language, but you are such a fine specimen! He was "defending" it so hard only to turn it's back on it the second it stopped being useful for subversion. I'm actually amazed how quickly you managed to pull another batch of mediocre works to "support" your adjusted shilling. This is actually another example of the kike algorithm. But thank you for continuously verifying my hypothesis with your behavior. Would you mind if I ask you a couple of questions? For science? Now he will kvetch how he is contributing to the thread (with housewife tier material) while being incapable of actually defending any of the positions as he was only picking up material which may give people the illusion of him being knowledgeable about it so that he could push his agenda. Look how quickly he clogged the thread with related, but 100% kosher certified content. Just for the record, I am discussing those beliefs from a more practical aspect, and subversive influences over the span of centuries. Identifying those influences is very important for preserving the essence of Indo-European religions :>) But don't worry, I will respond to your "newfound" philosophy in detail as well. ;)
>>348 Hi O9A-fag
>it’s another monism versus non-monism shitflinging episode
>>348 Reposting from 16chan thread, my reply to your assertions on Mazdayasna. >Does it recognize the existence of unique and independent souls, gods and realities? Yes. >Ahuras & Daevas, Lords & Celestials, respectively >Amesha Spentas, Holy Immortals >Yazatas, Worshipable Spirits >Fravashis, external guardian souls >Getig, Phenomenal world >Menog, Noumenal World >Does it recognize the unbridgeable gap in quality between apparent phenomena based on their mutually incompatible emanating sources/essences/noumena Yes >Asha, Truth vs Druj, Falsehood, from which the previous lists emanate. >Weak dualism What are you even defining as dualism? Obviously you're a strong Dualist in the usual sense of Platonic or Kantian Idealism. >Aryan Fire Priests These are Magi
>>339 That book on the Aztecs looks fantastic, and I’m only skimming through the section on Teotl right now. Seems very similar to my own beliefs. I have always stressed “becoming” as characterizing reality as well. For a while it made me sort of depressive “boo hoo everything degenerates and dies eventually, why care about anything!” but I realized that sort of passive nihilism destroys your soul.
>>353 Everything has happened before and everything will happen again, as the saying goes. E T E R N A L R E T U R N
>>354 A M O R F A T I
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>>356 Oh, have you read this'n?
>>357 No, I have not, seeing as how I confused Eliade’s idea with what Nietzsche said kek. Reading through the Wikipedia page on Eliade’s idea of eternal return though makes it sound like he’s worth looking into, especially that book. One quote apparently from him in the article is pretty relevant — >But repetition emptied of its religious content necessarily leads to a pessimistic vision of existence. When it is no longer a vehicle for reintegrating a primordial situation [...] that is, when it is desacralized, cyclic time becomes terrifying; it is seen as a circle forever turning on itself, repeating itself to infinity." I’ll have to get this soon.
>"In our day, when historical pressure no longer allows any escape, how can man tolerate the catastrophes and horrors of history—from collective deportations and massacres to atomic bombings—if beyond them he can glimpse no sign, no transhistorical meaning; if they are only the blind play of economic, social, or political forces, or, even worse, only the result of the 'liberties' that a minority takes and exercises directly on the stage of universal history? >"We know how, in the past, humanity has been able to endure the sufferings we have enumerated: they were regarded as a punishment inflicted by God, the syndrome of the decline of the 'age,' and so on. And it was possible to accept them precisely because they had a metahistorical meaning [...] Every war rehearsed the struggle between good and evil, every fresh social injustice was identified with the sufferings of the Saviour (or, for example, in the pre-Christian world, with the passion of a divine messenger or vegetation god), each new massacre repeated the glorious end of the martyrs. [...] By virtue of this view, tens of millions of men were able, for century after century, to endure great historical pressures without despairing, without committing suicide or falling into that spiritual aridity that always brings with it a relativistic or nihilistic view of history" ~Eliade, Cosmos & History
>>358 Nietzsche's idea is essentially the same thing, there's a distinction, but it's a distinction without a difference
>>349 I'm not O9A, although I should definitively look into that. I glanced over their pages a while ago and they seemed a bit cringe inducing so I didn't go further. >>350 See >>354 The ride never ends. Remember, you are here forever. >>352 Maybe early Zoroastrianism was more pluralistic, but you can't deny that it was a gradual shift to monotheism. Even at the beginning, there was indication of "supreme deity", at least among part of the priesthood, or should I say (((priesthood))), you said it yourself countless times, don't backpedal on it now. It has many good elements and is far preferable to many other religions, but it needs to be identified as the root of decay, as well as similar developments in Aryan India. >Asha, Truth vs Druj, Falsehood, from which the previous lists emanate. But that all will ultimately join Ahura Mazda. If they were separate, they would (potentially) maintain their natures indefinitely, and truth vs falsehood (in the context of that specific religion and it's narrative, not the ultimate truth) would be more a matter of perspective. And before you accuse me of being a relativist, I'd infer to say that there is ultimate truth, but that it's interpretations can vary radically, that's why unique souls and free will exist in the first place. But you don't actually believe in those Quality is also universal, so is beauty, while morality is not. They are not the same category. One is based on eternal Forms, another on eternal Will. The two are equally important, but most people really struggle with understanding that. >What are you even defining as dualism? What I meant by weak dualism is that you have the distinction between the "earth and heavens" , but that one is merely a subcategory of another. You also have dualistic morality (good vs evil) where "evil" becomes "good" eventually. When extrapolated to it's logical conclusion, you end up with monism. Yes, I would define dualism in Kantian sense, but I'm not a dualist. My approach is dialectical, perhaps even monist to a degree, but I go beyond one, into the realm of zero, where things start diverging without losing the totality. I call it transcendental pluralism. The false dichotomies being shilled ever since a certain banking cartel took control of the world are not real dialectics, but the opposite. They lead to disintegration rather than higher synthesis. My beliefs are also quite Vedic, but while recognizing the supremacy of the Self (Atman) over the medium (Brahman), which is actually closer to the original Aryan beliefs, taught to them by the "torch bearers". >These are Magi They were one group of the Magi. Another (opposed) group turned into the bearers of poz for centuries, trying to emancipate subhumans at the expense of Indo-Europeans, leading to the decline of civilizations at hands of certain gang of mongrel bandits and prostitutes and to the amazing world that we have today. Corrupt, brown Islamic shitholes like modern Egypt or Iran were the result of such "enlightenment" Europe and USA won't look much different in the future either. They also had the genius idea that giving the kikes everything that they want would somehow stop them from kiking and change their nature. Giving their knowledge to a rabbi with a messianic complex (Yehoshua ben Josef) turned out quite disastrous as well. It triggered them enough to plot to get him killed though, because they knew that this subversion could be a double-edged sword. We need a religion that will make whites grow balls and teeth again and have zero moral brakes and stop at nothing in order to survive and restore their weltanschauung and enforce their collective Will. Which was the original Indo-European religion. Also the one that every white European can relate to, including the intra-European mutts. Anything else makes us prone to D&C and petty "nationalism" which ruined Europe. Kikes can turn even the smallest of differences into pointless brother wars to their benefit. We can go back to our more specific beliefs, cultures and values once we reclaim the world. Then we can also fight each other like in the good old times, but as a natural consequence of our differentiation, rather than plots of sand bandits and greedy rulers :3
>>366 >But that all will ultimately join Ahura Mazda. No, you're still thinking of Advaita. Dvaita and even Vishishtadvaita have eternally distinct and separate souls, see Madhvacharya. Zoroastrianism has distinct and eternal souls with Fravashis that are also distinct. Yazatas and Amesha Spentas are also unique and distinct beings. Why are you a moral relativist and political anarchist on a fascist board? What kind of fascist has no interest in hierarchy and order? You're just a racist libertarian. Like I suggested before, read Troy Southgate's Tradition And Revolution and recognize that you're a National-Anarchist. (Also your philosophy is definitely O9A whether you're conscious of it or not, hard to believe you weren't at least indoctrinated by an O9A infiltrator.) And stop sperging out at me.
>>375 >Why are you a moral relativist and political anarchist on a fascist board? Did he really argue for political anarchism? Maybe I have zero reading comprehension but I only saw criticism of “petty” nationalism and modern ideas of the nation-state, not anarchism. Personally I think that the nation-state is somewhat artificial in nature when projected back as some sort of eternal idea, a stepping stone from looser forms of political and economic organization into more centralized ones, a preliminary move to the NWO, intended or not. Nationalism is damaging when it prevents our people from coordinating for self-preservation. It is the only viable instrument today though for liberation from Jewish power, let no one tell you otherwise. With morality, I believe it is largely a scam and coping pushed by the herd too, especially in the Abrahamic conception. Look into Callicles or Thrasymachus for the truth and a good account of natural justice. Might makes right. The only law is tooth and claw.
>>390 >I only saw criticism of “petty” nationalism and modern ideas of the nation-state L I B E R A L >Might makes right. The only law is tooth and claw. If that's the case, then whomsoever wins sets the rules and is by definition correct and the only source of law. Right now that's Communist China, the Muslim World (these two are 40% of the human population btw) and NATO. For sheer brute muscle, Niggers would be kangz for real. No, I don't accept this retardation. Abrahamic morals are indeed bullshit, but amorality is nihilism and should be stopped. Read Mein Kampf, fuck.
>wants to appeal to all white people to unite >somehow without that being universalist, globalist or even nationalist ???
>>391 >L I B E R A L I’m further right than you. >If that's the case, then whomsoever wins sets the rules Yes, it’s a descriptive claim. >For sheer brute muscle, Niggers would be kangz for real. We’re not talking muscle here, we’re talking organization, weaponry, intelligence and force. They who control these decide what is right and wrong. >but amorality is nihilism No it’s not. >Read Mein Kampf, fuck. Hitler largely would agree with me. He saw that struggle is the driving force in history alongside race, and he who wishes to survive must struggle. Like myself he recognizes hierarchy and the importance of great individuals in history.
>>394 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_nihilism
>>395 If we say that observation of nature can disclose to us the content of what would constitute “natural justice”, we will see that this observation discloses the domination and exploitation of the weak by the strong. This then can be said to constitute natural justice, for the strong to rule over the weak and to have more than them. Nihilism avoided, provided one accepts an appeal to nature.
BACK ON TOPIC >Teutonic Mythology The Complete Work, Jacob Grimm https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=52780700F734978F1E87A73EC8F7A8CC
>>396 I prefer the "fortune favors the bold" iteration, but we're in agreement that Master Morality is generally correct, at this point it's a matter of taste, and an incorrect use of the word "amoral" by one or both parties. A settled issue: we are in basic agreement.
Oh sweet, look what I just found >The Nine Doors of Midgard are the gateways to self-transformation and mastery through the Runes. This complete course of study and practice has been used by the initiates of the Rune-Gild since 1980. Long out-of-print to the wider public and difficult to obtain, it is now being made available in a completely revised and updated fifth edition. The Runic Tradition represents a whole school of inner work as ancient as any other and with the added importance that it is the ancestral, or natural, path for folks of Germanic (English, German, Dutch, and Scandinavian) background. The graded steps of The Nine Doors of Midgard are the only curriculum to take a systematic and traditional approach to inner Rune-work. Through nine "lessons" the book takes the Rune-worker from a stage in which no previous knowledge of Runes or esoteric work is assumed to a high level of initiation. https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=CAD537B1E1C81F9FBDE21CE93699BAFE
>>400 >First of all, concerning the term Odian: in contrast to the term Odinist, the Odian does not worship the God Óðinn (Wōden), but rather emulates him. The Odinist worships; the Odian becomes himself. This is the true nature of the cult of Óðinn. The Odian does not seek union with Óðinn, but rather with his own unique self. This is the godly task of Óðinn himself. If we were to seek to abdicate our selfhoods to any external force, Óðinn would only look on in disgust. True Odians are few and far between. (ibid.)
>>408 It also doesn’t help that oftentimes when a people who have been in a Christianized (or in general Abrahamic) context for centuries think of “worship” they can only think of abject submission or abasement before a deity, like a slave before his master. Muslims illustrate this particularly well when they refer to themselves as “slaves of Allah”. It has seemed to me that non-Abrahamic worship – sometimes, but not always – has to do more with showing respect to what is undeniably a higher being, propitiating them and even reciprocity (do ut des, etc) between the god and human.
>Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Asatru, Rodnovery - whatever you like to study or even practice, post about ITT >Been studying Celtic/Gaelic mythology, religion, and traditions for yearssince it's part of my heritage >To this day, no group has arisen that truly promotes the traditions in a way that puts the homeland and it's people preserve it's way of life over others not tied to them. It really is a shame that there isn't a Celtic/Gaelic group that could be listed here as well. They could really use a group that promotes the old traditions and tries to research and discover more about the old ways, while providing a more Nationalistic, ethno-centric message. Most of the groups out there that claim to be the definitive "Celtic" religion are the Neo-pagan and Wiccan shit cults that have little to no relation to the original religions, practicing more perverted forms of the ancient rituals and holiday celebrations. The only one that could even try to claim to be such a group was the Celtic Reconstructionists, but they are in some ways worse than the other groups. One of their main websites goes out of it's way to state that they are vehemently anti-racist, anti-homophobic (which I'm sure has added trans-phobic at this point), anti-nazism, and so on. While they devote themselves to as much research (archaeological or otherwise) to uncovering and learning as much of the true Celtic religion and traditions as possible, they state that they will only incorporate information and practices into their group that are acceptable for modern times (essentially saying that if it isn't kosher to their modern beliefs (extremely progressive and globalist), they will ignore it or possibly hide it so it doesn't upset them). They also mention who is considered Celtic/Gaelic, believing that as long as you speak the language and/or are born in one of the modern Celtic nations, you are considered "Celtic", while saying that blood and ancestry isn't the only determining factor (though they won't (or can't) outright deny it). Just like most western nations, it doesn't matter if they are full-blooded niggers that have ancestors that were brought there due to one reason or another, or just migrants and refugees from the middle east that are playing the long game of subjugating the host nation. The concern with this group is that because they display themselves as a following that is actively trying to discover and spread the truth of the old ways, despite omitting "problematic" information and just letting anyone in, most people who try to find a Celtic/Gaelic group like them (that are aware of the bullshit the wiccan and other similar neo-pagan groups) will probably see them and think it's the right one to join. It probably doesn't help that multiple forces within the Celtic nations will go out of their way to subvert, control, discredit, frame, or just shut down any group that even attempts to promote a more ethno-focused form of the Celtic religion. Said nations treat any sign of this as being a worse threat than the very real threat of all the shitskins and other immigrants being brought in that are killing, mutilating, and raping the native population (all the while telling the natives that they are bad people just for being born). Any native that is against this and wants to promote the traditions of their ancestors properly either have to stay hidden (at least I hope they are) or are silenced in one form or another by the governments pushing for these changes. All this shit is enough to drive a man to drink. I'm sure there are others trying to help the culture, traditions, and people survive in their own way, but seeing so many of the people in these nations willingly let the cultural and genetic genocide take place is depressing. I only hope there are still enough people that resist this push for the death of what makes us who we are. Even so, I'll still be learning and practicing what I can, living by example however I can. I wouldn't be able to start any kind of group promoting the traditions due to not living in any of the lands of my ancestry. Any group like that should be started in the homeland of the traditions and by someone of pure heritage.
>>430 >Been studying Celtic/Gaelic mythology, religion, and traditions for years What are the best books for someone who knows very little about Celtic religion and mythology? >they state that they will only incorporate information and practices into their group that are acceptable for modern times >One of their main websites goes out of it's way to state that they are vehemently anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-nazism, and so on. >They also mention who is considered Celtic/Gaelic, believing that as long as you speak the language and/or are born in one of the modern Celtic nations, you are considered "Celtic" Wew. I can hardly see how they're much different from Wicca at this point honestly. These perversions of ancestral European traditions into shells of themselves with modern, progressive ideas and universalism always really repel me. It's clear that their minds are still thoroughly judaized to the point where what is supposed to be a "reconstruction" is no more than another New Age globohomo pseudo-tradition that one picks and chooses from like any other product today. There's a great duality in the pagan scene. If your group isn't explicitly racist, anti-egalitarian and intolerant of degeneracy it's bound to be subverted by this shit it seems.
>>431 Cauldron is on b-ok & libgen but Albion Awake is hard to even buy outside of uk. Cauldron is heavy with accurate history.
>>417 >like a slave before his master Abrahamic religions are all about this all-powerful dictator who knows whats best and never makes mistakes or does anything wrong even when he wipes out most of humanity to start over, it's like North Korea propaganda. Imagine choosing to trust and worship some who just kills people who disagree with their self-chosen rules (or banishes them to an underground torture chamber), constantly goes around spreading fear among his people through shows of power instead of helping them and then expects love and compassion. It's servile slave shit, psychological terrorism even.
>>433 >all about this all-powerful dictator who knows whats best and never makes mistakes or does anything wrong even when he wipes out most of humanity to start over, it's like North Korea propaganda Yep, def a National-Anarchist. Old school Fascism is all about Totalitarianism.
>>433 All-powerful dictators are based, provided that they are one with the people and soil. The fault in the Abrahamic conception of God goes much deeper than this. Abrahamic dualism and a radical separation from God's own creation create the conditions for nihilism by placing life's center of gravity into some mystical non-existent realm. The abject slavery demanded by Yahweh is much different than that of real dictators, in that you either worship him or burn for an eternity in hellfire (resentful slave cope invented by humans). >>434 I am a totalitarian myself, but I could see what he means if he's talking about the Semitic fanaticism that manifests among Abrahamists, where they are led to destroy and subjugate everything that is not themselves. When they have destroyed everything outside of themselves, they tear each other part. It's a Jewish mental illness.
>>436 O9A has always been super suspect to me, just like all “Satanist” groups. It’s important to note too that one of the people at the top of it, David Myatt, has shifted around between his Satanic brand of National Socialism, radical Islam and now some more New Age garbage. I have a theory that Satanism is used to subvert National Socialist and pagan groups and to divert them down the wrong path, much like how recently it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Richard Spencer, Keith Woods and the like are Duginist / communist shills attempting to subvert White Nationalism at large.
>>437 So SIEGE too is not pure enough for your majesty?
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Didn't want this to get slid >Cauldron of the Gods: A Manual of Celtic Magick by Fries http://libgen.lc/book/index.php?md5=A287C6C74F9F09FD25E443FED9847075
>>438 Haven’t read Siege to be honest, partially because Mason never experienced what he was teaching, and never acted his guidelines. From what I know about its contents regarding anti-system activity it doesn’t bad but all of the shit about Charles Manson, Church of Satan and LaVey which Mason was affiliated with) should all be red flags.
>>440 Why? What's your criticism of those things? MKULTRA? Also, Being a Nazi with George Lincoln Rockwell just after ww2 is more dangerous than anything your doughy ass has ever seen.
>>440 Similarly, why is Serrano and Devi NOT red flags if LaVey and Manson are? What makes the one better than the other? Obscurity? >Yeah, I'm into Serrano, you've probably never heard of him
>>441 GLR is a hero and a great man. If anything that man venerated Hitler himself. My only objection to him is perhaps the men he associated with, but besides that I have no complaints. >Similarly, why is Serrano and Devi NOT red flags I’m aware of Serrano and some of his beliefs but I’ve yet to have read him, can’t comment. Devi was one of the greatest National Socialists to have lived post-WWII, after reading The Lightning and the Sun this is hard to deny and she was clearly correct in many of her views about the three types of men, the nature of Hitler, etc. LeVay, or should I say (((Howard Levey))), was a kike who preached egoism / individualism, hedonism, atheism, drawing off kikes like Ayn Rand. I certainly believe in “might makes right”, Social Darwinism and the like, but I don’t need some carnival con’s gay cult
>>444 As it turns out I agree on LaVey. Also, Satanism in and of itself, the way he does it, still relies upon JudeoChristianity because it's a reversal of same. Manson might actually have been MKULTRA'd as shown in Levenda's Sinister Forces. But if so he was a botched early attempt. He's one of the better Ecofascists, Manson. Devi's ideas are pretty good. Serrano is actually legit schizo
>>435 >All-powerful dictators are based, provided that they are one with the people and soil. And that is the hardest part. If it wasn't for that little hook, I'd be 100% confident in old-school fascism. The only issue is that when it goes wrong, it goes really fucking wrong (think totalitarian communism, modern faux-democratic russia) and I haven't seen anyone in my nation who actually wants the job and is clearly in it for the good of their brothers. Fascism is much better in smaller nations where the leader can be in touch with all the people and soil.
>>447 Or kinship/clan/tribe federations like pre-roman invasion Europe.
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>>447 >The only issue is that when it goes wrong, it goes really fucking wrong (think totalitarian communism, modern faux-democratic russia Communists are a bad example in my opinion. They are never one with their soil and people, as they actively despise such notions. Oftentimes communist leadership is no more than a clique of ivory tower elite intellectuals, criminals and Jews. The only communist I can think of who was truly in it for his people (at least from what it seemed from my readings) was Thomas Sankara, who lived an extremely frugal lifestyle as leader, refused pictures of him to be put up so no cult of personality developed, and cut government pay and luxuries back. That's admirable. Modern leaders are likewise often implicitly if not explicitly against the notion of blood and soil, even though they pay lip-service to 'patriotism'. They are oligarchs. A leader like Hitler is a true leader. These are rare men, but no one doubts their capabilities, and they are extremely forceful and powerful personalities, capable of mobilizing millions through their words alone. We need to return to a traditional style of leadership such as this, as embodied in figures such as philosopher kings and the Chakravartin >Fascism is much better in smaller nations where the leader can be in touch with all the people and soil. It's easier today to reach millions of people and have it feel like there is some sort of relationship of shorts, even if not direct.
>>431 In addition to >>432 there is the list of Celtic books mentioned earlier in the thread ( >>11 ). It's definitely a good start. Back a few years ago when I lurked on the Druid threads on 8/pol/, I happened to catch one anon posting a few books he recommended (and if I recall correctly, he was calling out the regular posters in said thread for not doing more to promote the traditions of the druids). >It's clear that their minds are still thoroughly judaized to the point where what is supposed to be a "reconstruction" is no more than another New Age globohomo pseudo-tradition that one picks and chooses from like any other product today. Considering that most of them were born and raised to follow the abrahamic religions/teachings prior to joining the movement, It's not surprising that they still hold those beliefs. Any that do try to speak about focusing on those that actually have the blood of Celts and preserving said blood are kicked out instantly. >If your group isn't explicitly racist, anti-egalitarian and intolerant of degeneracy it's bound to be subverted by this shit it seems. Indeed. The Rodnovery groups are one good example of this, as they promote such ideals. The Celts could do much better if they had a group similar to this that promotes the actual traditions and practices while trying to discover more about the old ways, but considering the state of the modern Celtic nations, it's hard to say if such a group could sustain itself without being infiltrated or outright shut down for being some form or -ist or -ism. >>39 Sadly, I don't think one was ever made for Slavic Paganism. It's in a similar state as the Celtic Paganism; Even within such groups as as the Rodnoverists, there is very little that is understood or even known about what the old traditions, gods, etc. were.What is known and recorded about the traditions more than likely hasn't been translated to other languages outside of their own either.
>>461 >The Rodnovery groups are one good example of this I probably should clarify; They are a good example on how to promote the old traditions for on those that share it's blood and ancestry.
>>461 >Considering that most of them were born and raised to follow the abrahamic religions/teachings prior to joining the movement, It's not surprising that they still hold those beliefs. Definitely not surprising. Even many in our circles, especially if they are newly acquainted with paganism, struggle to fully detach their minds from Abrahamic conceptions of the world and spirituality. Everything from our thinking on morality, politics, metaphysics, spirituality and the like has been thoroughly judaized
>>468 I feel like this will be a good one, I had no clue there were books like this. Lots of good suggestions ITT.

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