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WELCOME TO /FASCIST/, PLEASE READ RULES BEFORE POSTING Anon Cafe on Tor: tew7tfz7dvv4tsom45z2wseql7kwfxnc77btftzssaskdw22oa5ckbqd.onion/fascist/ another fallback location (Neinchan): vvadkyuldkwon6za.onion/fascist/catalog.html Welcome to /fascist/ on Anon Cafe! /fascist/ is a board for discussion of fascism in its various manifestations and, in a more general sense, third-position ideology (e.g. Strasserism, etc) and positions that fall outside of the /pol/ - /leftypol/ dichotomy. Though this board is centered around the discussion of fascist movements, leaders and ideology, everybody is permitted to post here regardless of political beliefs, as long as they debate in good faith. Non-fascists and opposing beliefs of all kinds are welcome as long as they respect the rules of this board! This thread will also serve as a thread for requests to moderation, banners and general bitching BOARD RULES 1. Global rules apply 2. No spam, no flooding, serial double- / triple-posting in the same thread within a short period of time will result in a short ban 3. No fedposting* 4. No avatarfagging without reason 5. No pornography (non-sexualized nudity permitted) 6. Gore should be spoiled and relevant to the topic if posted 7. No self-advertising outside of specifically designated threads. No Discord shilling, period. 8. Threads with basic questions not conductive to discussion should go in the QTDDTOT 9. Literature requests should go in the proper thread 10. Meta content should be posted here >>1 *fedposting is encouraging anons to "take action" in a way that reads like a federal agent is posting it, e.g. "Hey kid, you wanna bomb a federal building?" Some archives of the old board: https://web.archive.org/web/*/8ch.net/fascist/
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>>381 Fixed. That was never intended. It might take a minute to show correctly now.
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>>653 That's right :^)
>>655 Are you really censoring anons warning people that .moe is a bad idea? Fucking wew. To think I spent months going to bat for you. If you're going down this path you deserve everything that ends up happening to both yourself and this board. Really a fucking shame I enjoyed this board.
>>760 You know what I like this board so much I'm going to put effort into this. If you're up to the point of censoring I'm going to assume you've bought into all the lies they've told you so far. I lurked the last couple of weeks so I'll address some points. >I don't want to be involved with the drama You're involved now BO. You've hitched yourself to a group of people that stir up drama everywhere they go. They make enemies everywhere they go. They plot with each other in private chat rooms and voice calls, they shit up other boards for fun, they want to emulate Jim Watkins and run an imageboard for a living. In short they act just like Jews. They are going to involve you in their drama and they're going to cause problems for you the second you decide you don't want to be part of it. >They spent all this time helping us They took weeks to figure out how to use a script someone they claim to hate wrote because they're too proud to ask that person for help. A bunch of anons would have migrated your posts for you. A lot of anons would have even been willing to host you or teach you how to host your own board. These anons are not the type that will come whisper sweet nothings in your ear though. You have to ask them for help and you have to do it someplace where they're going to see it. Because of a combination of being busy and not knowing where you went I only noticed what was going on a few days ago. Based on how you were responding I decided not to even both offering these things because I could tell you were dead set on being hosted in Mark's asshole no matter what. >Mark isn't staff Yeah I'm sure he's not just like he wasn't staff on 8chan. He just happens to be hosted on a website run by his group of internet friends and they all just happen to have occupied the same places for YEARS. If you think Mark doesn't have access to every IP address on that website you're stupid. >They say the webring leaks IPs of servers! Yeah, no shit, that's how the internet works. Acidfag knows this and spreads rumors like this on purpose. If he was concerned he would use another small server between their main server and the rest of the webring like he's doing anyway with anti-ddos. He knows nothing can be designed to communicate p2p like the webring without an IP address being shown to both ends. He lies on purpose to confuse anons that don't know how computers/networks work. They have no intentions of joining the webring and have every intention of attempting to become the new 8chan. >Acidfag never talked to Feds, Mark never talked to Feds They've both admitted to talking with the FBI in the past and willingly handing over everything they asked for without a lawyer. Both of them are suspect as fuck. Anyone that is friendly with them is suspect as fuck. Like a certain "tech guy" that's been hanging around for months claiming to do it for free. Go ahead and censor my post. I know you're going to read it anyway. This is a test to see if you're really a massive faggot. If I come back tomorrow and this post isn't here I'll never post on this board again. If you're going over there you're chasing PPH and aren't worth discussing anything with anyway. I'm sure PPH is up, I'm sure the circlejerk over there is making you feel right at home. If you're going to trade the anons here for GG General you might as well just post in their threads. Mark my words you will regret this. Those faggots stir up shit everywhere they go, back stab each other constantly, and in-fight with some other groups of faggots that split off from there years ago. This doesn't even include the 3-4 groups involved with them in one way or another. I learned the hard way about them. I guess you want to do that too.
>>761 By the way they're going to tell you I'm just some disgruntled anon, or BO, or admin, or anti-GamerGate, or something along those lines. I never cared about their threads or their group. As long as they stayed in their own board who would? You want to know how they got on my radar? There were at least four different boards I used over the last several years that they decided shouldn't exist. They spammed all of them and used their status on 8chan to ruin them all in an attempt to funnel them back into /v/. The boards unrelated to vidya were just spammed to death and shit up nearly every day. Then they blamed those boards for "starting the war" or whatever nonsense they were peddling at the time. All these boards did was dare to discuss topics that were banned on /v/ or people /v/ decided were off limits. I don't buy any promises about freedom of speech coming from them. They'll censor anything they don't like and a lot of what they don't like are topics that /pol/ used to discuss daily before 2016 came along to ruin the board. One of them will show up demanding hard proof of these things. They're just like the kikes always demanding hard proof. If you provide it they'll either slide it or deny it exists. If you show circumstance they'll just blame it on someone else. They know exactly what they're doing, laugh about it in private, and consider themselves masterminds of the internet. They're all fucking retarded and the type of newfaggotry that should have been bullied away a long time ago. Even with all that said if they simply fucked off and left anons alone I wouldn't care. They'll never be content having their own little corner of the internet. Instead they have this overwhelming need to control discussion and platforms that discussion takes place on. But what do you expect of jews? It's in their nature. This will ruin your board. I knew a lot of people here were young/new but at least the quality of discussion was high and there was potential. You're going to throw all that away to pick up at most 20 anons that spend all day discussing a "movement" that died years ago. A movement they themselves killed through vanity and a need for attention. To them GG was the highlight of their lives. It's all really sad. They'll never attempt self improvement and they'll never pick up a book. Thanks for running the board for the last several months but this is where we part ways I think. I hope you realize what they're doing to you before this becomes a ghost town. They do not care about the subjects discussed here. They only seek a BO like you out because they're chasing PPH and control of anons. In their minds if they keep shitting up every board they don't own one day they'll trick enough anons into using a board they control. It's never going to happen though. Mark, Acidman, and that entire group have screwed over so many anons over the years. There is a never ending line of anons that will constantly post reminders of their pasts no matter how much it's censored. How do you think I first found out about them? You don't have to be a sperg lurking /v/ 24/7 to know about what they've done over the last 6-7 years. Godspeed.
>>760 He made a one line thread saying nothing new so I deleted it. There was already debate going on in the thread discussing the move and transfer of posts. No one is being censored for criticism and no one is being forced to move over to the other place if they do not want to. Basically there was no need for a thread when there was already a thread (which was, at the time, I believe, stickied).
>>762 >>761 >If you're up to the point of censoring I'm going to assume you've bought into all the lies they've told you so far. See >>763. I’ve read your two posts, and I have seen more and more people who have concerns. At first I didn’t really know about this site, I’m not gonna lie, and I don’t follow /v/ stuff, but this is why at the beginning I was very set on this move, (1) out of ignorance and (2) because I truly thought that doing the move and preserving all of our threads from Julay would be a popular move with many anons – of course I’m sure it is / would be, but the main issue appears to be the location. As time has passed I’ve begun to see that there is some genuine opposition to this. At the beginning it may have seemed definitely like I was “dead set on being hosted in Mark's asshole no matter what”. I wish we hadn’t been stabbed in the back over Hoppe-sama. Retrospectively it might just have been better to lose everything and just come here and it would have saved a lot of pain. At the end of the day the threads aren’t important, it’s anons like you who actually matter and produce good posts for this board that matter, and I don’t want to do anything to purposely kill or harm this board, and I really appreciate that we have people here willing to type posts like this if you think that I’m doing something wrong. My question to you though is, what do you propose that I do? I’ll nuke 8moe right now if it will calm the tensions and unite the board, and I mean this unironically, even if it might make me look indecisive. I like Anon Cafe, and others seem to as well, and I don’t want drama, especially when it is drama that has been accidentally created through my own actions. I own up that this course of development has been entirely of my own making, from the disaster of Hoppe to the current issues.
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>>764 Nuke it. No balls
>>766 Fuck it, done. I wash my hands of this shit. Last thing I want is people thinking I’m luring them onto some honeypot. Doing it on a whim might make me look impulsive, but I don’t care. There’s the possibility that me nuking with no warning will backfire on me and cause these faggots to go beserk (Mark & co.), so let’s sit back and wait. I’m gonna make a sticky here soon to explain shit.
>>761 >>762 >>766 I think now we need some words from yours truly
>>767 Based.
>>767 WEW That escalated quickly. I was ok in having multiple bunkers active, but you're the boss and as long there Will be at least one bunker I will stick around. I like it here.
>>767 I can tell you right now they, the /gg/ers and mark et al., never knew you existed, outside of /leftpol/, who changed their name when you got on the site, and would blame /pol/ for any cross-posting even as most of them post /pol/ worthy shit anyway while still being degenerates of the usual kind for /v/ and /a/.\ Nuking it did nothing but confuse me, and I'm sure your less asinine posters, who were willing to give them a chance because they extended a hand when you were looking for a place, if there had been any conflicts, well this always existed, It was no less or more peaceful there than here. Any concerns about Acid may be valid but who fucking knows if that shit is true or not, and it does not follow that if one sells guns to fed that they must then be a fed themselves. The better thing to do would have been to freeze posting and make a meta thread telling everyone to come back here, if only to preserve the old threads and/or what was talked about there. As it is with no warning and no guidance some may think you just abandoned them and those who know better may just be pissed you cut the floor right out from under them. Dick move BO.
>>761 >>762 >they want to emulate Jim Watkins and run an imageboard for a living >They only seek a BO like you out because they're chasing PPH and control of anons. it all starts to make sense now. one thing that has been bothering me is that just why would anyone want to use the name 8chan or refer to themselves as "8chan community"? At this point, using the 8chan logo or name is a sure way to get your imageboard targeted by glowniggers. And just who would like to mimic Jimbo the mason anyway? There is zero trust left for both 8chan and it's owner.
>>762 >There were at least four different boards I used over the last several years that they decided shouldn't exist. They spammed all of them and used their status on 8chan to ruin them all in an attempt to funnel them back into /v/. Proof?
>>787 >the /gg/ers and mark et al., never knew you existed, This is a blatant lie though
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>>795 They nuked /sw/ when they got butthurt a few months ago
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>>761 >They took weeks to figure out how to use a script someone they claim to hate wrote because they're too proud to ask that person for help. The irony of this is palpable. Robi wrote the scraper script without consulting the dev of lynxchan, as a result it couldn't even port a board from one lynxchan db to another without all sorts of things breaking. Basic testing wasn't done and you can tell because it can't parse what it writes. Furthermore, it completely ignores the existence of the vichan API and scraps the board from the HTML. This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to that blunder. >>They say the webring leaks IPs of servers! >Yeah, no shit, that's how the internet works. Acidfag knows this and spreads rumors like this on purpose. So is it how the Internet works or is it just a rumor? The point of using a middle man DDoS protection is keeping the server IP unknown, otherwise it can be attacked directly. The issue here is trusting other website admins with your IP, which acidman doesn't and neither should anyone, it's a security hole if you're trying to keep your website online. Imageboards are DDoS'ed all the fucking time. >There were at least four different boards I used over the last several years that they decided shouldn't exist. They spammed all of them and used their status on 8chan to ruin them all in an attempt to funnel them back into /v/. The boards unrelated to vidya were just spammed to death and shit up nearly every day. Then they blamed those boards for "starting the war" or whatever nonsense they were peddling at the time. How does any of this make sense? If the boards were not related to vidya how would sinking them funnel people into /v/? >One of them will show up demanding hard proof of these things. Well yeah, especially when you claim Mark is some 32D chess mastermind villain. Mark is a fuckup and everybody knows that. He's the BO of a populated /v/ again purely by luck, after he did his best to push anons away from his board. Are you going to claim Mark convinced the pig farmer to ban loli and then killed fatchan AND julay, all of this after he relinquished the position of BO of 8kun /v/? > If you provide it they'll either slide it or deny it exists. You didn't provide anything. Make yourself look less like a crazy person and actually back up your fantasy with hard evidence. To the BO, stop acting like Mark. Why would you nuke your own board like that just to appease a schizofag? At least leave a thread up telling people where to go. Good luck on here, nobody wants any board dead.
>>835 are you that tripfag from the migration threads? >>>/fascist/218 and >>>/shelter/1215 >At least leave a thread up telling people where to go to be fair, literally all Blackshirts know about anon.cafe and nein.
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>>835 >To the BO, stop acting like Mark.
>>800 It should have been clear, my mistake perhaps that by never knew you existed, i meant that they acted as if you didn't therefore no damage was done, but OMG mark knew about /fascist/'s existence, because the Acidmin put the maintenance thread up on /v/ the most populous board and openly talked about what was going on but considering I lurk in /gg/ to see what news those cretins find, because honestly they aren't bad at finding information, and not only was /fascist/ never mentioned let alone any animosity towards anything other than /pol/ or julay in general for their hypocritical moralfaggotry.
>>849 mark, pls. gtfo.
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>>847 No, I thought it better not to comment. I see no point in feeding drama. People here just want to be comfy. We helped a couple boards save their threads and we learned a lot about how to approach migrations in the future. It was a learning experience. I'm sorry things didn't work out, and I'm not thrilled that there really isn't anything I can do to dispel rumors, other than to say anything offered without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I told the BO in that I'd help him out no matter what he decided. If he wants the modified migration script, he can have it. If he wants a dump of his board's db, he can have it. I stick by my promise to help the Hoppe-sama boards whether they're on my site or not. We were glad to have you, and if you ever need anything we'll be there for you.
>>875 If you think Mark, while he's planning his move out of NYC to NJ has time to come here to shit up a thread I sincerely doubt your sanity
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>>882 No hard feelings from me. I still appreciate your assistance and help with the migration, so thank you, honestly. I'm glad that /monarchy/ and /liberty/ were able to find a home as well. What I did I thought to be the best course of action for the /fascist/ community.
>>764 >My question to you though is, what do you propose that I do? This board has several threads centered around self improvement and self reliance. What I suggest you do is learn how to host your own website and set-up your own imageboard. It doesn't matter if you're in the webring or not it'd be the best for both you and the anons that use this board. Setting up an imageboard isn't really that hard and you can learn what you need to know to keep it going as you go. I'm not going to respond to anyone defending Mark. I'm not playing those games or wasting my time debating with them any longer. I've seen how they operate and plenty of evidence is laying around for anyone to look into it themselves. I used to give him and his circle of friends the benefit of the doubt until I personally had to deal with him. He is not a stable person, he's not a person worth being concerned with, he doesn't practice what he preaches, he always has an excuse for his behavior. The best thing to do about people like Mark is to ignore them because at the end of the day all he seeks is validation and attention. If you need help learning how to set-up an imageboard/server/website ask here. I'm usually lurking around a few times a week.
BO-sama, how can I (or you) fix the typo in >>961 's title?
>>1010 I edited it for you. It is now A E S T H E T I C >>911 I think you're right that long term the best thing to do is to become independent so we do not have to keep being reliant upon other sites (as ephemeral as they seem to be these days) to host our board. Right now I don't know if it would be smart to start moving that way immediately since I think at this point people are going to get fed up with me trying to corral them into a new board every other week, but still, it's something I will have to learn about, especially in terms of cost and how to learn even the basics.
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>>1011 Thanks, I should stop writing from odd angles Yes, the angle, it was totally that Surely
No clue if this is the best place to ask but might as well. Does anyone have that screencap that talks about how taking down statues is only done to kill a peoples spirit? The original post was made around the time this practice became popular and it referenced an incident in some roman civil war where they beheaded some leader but kept his statues up for that exact reason. Hell if you know what incident I'm talking about that would be great. I need to share that image around but I can't find it fucking anywhere.
>>1014 Men like Churchill deserve to have their statues ruined
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>>1019 He knew the truth as well yet he still contributed to the Jewish plot to destroy Germany. England should have joined arms with the Reich as kin of the same blood.
>>1011 It's probably best just to settle here for awhile and then look into moving on later. In the mean time learn how to run a web server, get a domain name, and get the money together to keep it going. There is no reason why you can't set-up an imageboard and learn what you need to know while anons stay here for a month or two. You can practice importing your threads and get some anons to do pen testing to make sure it's secure. Once you feel comfortable announce the move. As far as what you'll need: $30 a month or so should be plenty. The first month will cost a little more because you're buying a domain name. Domain names range from very cheap to $20+ depending on what kind you want. Don't get too concerned about using one name because it's likely someone is squatting on anything you want and will charge you a lot of money to transfer. I did manage to find some good domain names last month when I looked (they're even .com's) but I never bought one because I didn't have time to devote to a project at the time.
>>1359 Oh and you don't need a webserver to practice. You can set-up the tools you need on your PC and learn what you need to know about imageboard that way. Whatever you do avoid Lynxchan.
>>1022 >kin of the same blood. unfortunately the royal family is/was jewish as well. the normalnigger brits were worshipping a jewish royal family plotting to wipe out germany for money and power so they could continue to reap the subhuman societies for labor and resources. love of money truly is the root of all evil. watching them collapse today isnt fun because i still feel like they're white, but i hope they can atleast serve as a reminder to future white nations instead of to continue to live as a puppet of the jews.
>>1419 >love of money truly is the root of all evil. Truth. If only the British people could have realized that there is something more important than the monarchy as well, i.e. blood, their future. I have no sympathy for the monarchs of Europe who for centuries borrowed money from the Jews, became their puppets and willingly or unwillingly granted privileges and protections to the Jews against the wrath and indignation of the masses. Just see one example from pic related, doubtlessly this type of farce was perpetrated across Europe for centuries. Even with Mosley I have no idea why they said they had "absolute loyalty" to the crown (in Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered). >but i hope they can atleast serve as a reminder to future white nations instead of to continue to live as a puppet of the jews. It is sad to watch what is happening, and I hope they fight back at some point and say "enough to this subversion and genocide!" - if they go out with a whimper I have no respect.
>>1419 Jews are the root of evil, as for greed it's simply human nature and a minor problem when society has checks and balances. It's not the form of money we exchange for goods and services that's the problem. It's the type of society and values we accept or cultivate. >>1427 The consumer culture is truly a poison, if you thought the early 1900 was bad(maybe in america)..... Many European commoners were pretty fucking poor in comparison. But really there's nothing wrong with buying things you genuinely like and will USE, very discernable. such as as the nicest home one can afford and whatnot. But of course for some people it's really never enough dumb-fucks these days just buy for the sake of buying that they don't even use and have to sell shortly after, I see it all the time and it's always so pathetic and decadent. The white race has always been an inventive people, and for inventions to gain traction you have to have buyers in the free market to get the best product out, that's how new inventions naturally thrive. There was nothing wrong with that. The whole issue is consumerism, and programmed expectations from kikes, brainwashing and tempting kids with commercials since they can barely talk IS fucking evil. The idea of people spending their hard earned money just to buy a shitty product from a slave labour third world shithole, when the paradox is same globohomo corp faggots say they reject slavery and racism, when third world fucks are literally born to do the corpokike dirty work as slaves is EVIL. The jews have literally been destabilizing our economies and committing treason by exporting the workforce making us artificially dependent on third worlders so the kikes can sabotage us but also have globohomo and other poz in the picture LARPING as if we actually need that third world slave to do anything for us somehow and not just their own treasonous profit margins(fucking lol). How come more retards don't see that? Not like it's hidden or a conspiracy theory, that foxconn(apple) and so many other hellholes have their employees left in animal like conditions, feed them gruel, drive them like animals. And act surprised and shut it down when all their slaves kill themselves to the extent the capitalist jews over there have to install suicide nets all over. I always like to point out how its disgusting and destructive. How it would be better if we revert to our own self sufficient economies. Especially with incredibly dangerous situations like as Cuckvid19 raping the global economy because they neo-slave lords cant whip third worlders around. For talking about politics shit topics like this are a total icebreaker btw.
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>>1432 The consumer culture needs to be eradicated. Mass production requires mass consumption, and since the early 20th century the Jews and capitalists have been perpetuating what amounts to a mass psychological rape on the population with advertising and other forms of propaganda designed to stimulate desire and demand for their shitty products, as well as encouraging spending regardless of one even has money with (((credit))) and other usurious schemes. These firms quite literally hire psychologists to help them market their cheap plastic garbage. Like you said, it never ends, it starts at birth and can't be escaped. Materialism rots the soul, leading to a grey, soulless and solipsistic world where one only cares about tomorrow, what shit they own, living vicariously through products and seeing the meaning of life as some sort of banal "happiness" with no larger horizons. Like I said in the Tarrant thread here, these corporations have been selling out white people for decades now in outsourcing production overseas, destroying white jobs, destroying the environment, shilling for brown people to flood our countries and propagandizing in favor of white genocide and anti-racism. The owners of these are race-traitors and anti-national as far as I'm concerned and are just as guilty as any Jew
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>>1432 >Jews are the root of evil Jews are evil. they are not the root of evil. Jews do everything they do because of their greed and love of money. They have limitless funds and don't do anything but use it to make more money which essentially has no meaning to them. They will always be an empty soulless people because of this. Their defiance of God, nature, and everything good stems from their love of money. They hated Jesus because he told them they can't buy their way into heaven or into God's favor. The pharisees and sadducees were jewish sects that argued that you must do good works and keep score to get to heaven. Jesus told them that their rewards are already paid in full in this world and it wont help them after, that they need faith and genuine belief; something their people are incapable of. He told them that doing good works didnt mean anything either since jews were known for "if i do X amount of good deeds it doesnt matter how many goyim i rape" thats why they claim goyim arent people as well. they also would jew God's law for example the entire talmud is the Jews Jewing God's law. "oh we cant kill? but what if i write down mental gymnastics to twist the word enough to make it not count as killing" This is the reason jews are the way they are. its defiance of God and that's all it's ever been. Jesus essentially told them "you know what killing is, and nomatter how much mental gymastics you do, you know the INTENT and you can't lie to God" This is why germany still has laws against small print and legal terms exist such as "spirit of the law" Jews were told they couldnt leave their house so they'd redefine house to home and hang strings around entire cities to say "as long as we stay within that string we are home :^)" then Jesus comes and says "you know what the law means and you know what youre doing, and none of what youre doing matters in the eyes of God, because he knows your INTENT." and this caused them to want to kill him. There are so many examples of this throughout the bible its an entire book about jews jewing god's law until jesus tells them "YOU KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING AND THATS ALL THAT COUNTS AND IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MUCH GOOD YOU PRETEND TO DO" Jews even preach ignorance so that the ignorant masses technically arent sinning. "if i think im doing right, am i sinning?" They want to uproot everything that is known and natural for this very reason. no different than the days in noah worshipping gold calves and money while celebrating debauchery. why do you think they seek to uproot the meaning of gender? its not gay if its a female with a penis because what is female? what is sex? what is anything? They think this will somehow "trick" God.
>>1441 yes. this reminds me of a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune novels: >Once you acquire a marketplace soul, the souk becomes the totality of existence. and it's true, corporations have long been an integral faction of globalism, which seeks to destroy peoples and nations and reduce us to serfdom. one of the worst aspects of Capitalism is planned obsolescence. appliances and products were once made with quality and built to last, now they're fancy garbage that's designed to break down within a few years. this creates an ephemeral economy, in which we're supposed to constantly spend and consoom, burning through material stuff, and stay 'current' by discarding anything from last year. it's massively wasteful and exploitative. of course, there is a place for the free market, but it must be built on fairness, transparency, and sustainability, with profit-seeking reined in by more important considerations. what we live in now is a degenerate form of the free market. >>1449 as I've said before, degenerate forms depend upon the original qualities. Judaism always emphasized the primacy of Law, so its degenerate, Pharisaic form relies on autistic, letter of the law pilpul, seeking loopholes and arbitrary enforcement. the same pattern can be seen elsewhere. Islam was always spirited, so its degenerate form is a violent death cult. Christianity taught meekness, forgiveness and acceptance, so its degenerate form consists of watered-down doctrine and shallow platitudes. the Free Market used competition and contracts to provide goods & services in much greater quality and quantity, so its degenerate form is based on wasteful hyperconsumption and manipulation. >They want to uproot everything that is known and natural for this very reason. no different than the days in noah worshipping gold calves and money while celebrating debauchery. why do you think they seek to uproot the meaning of gender? its not gay if its a female with a penis because what is female? what is sex? what is anything? They think this will somehow "trick" God. this ties into Postmodernism, the theory that denies inherent meaning and universal standards; instead, everything depends on your perspective, so things can mean whatever you want them to. this is used to justify degeneracy of all kinds, including gender-bending.
>>1486 >there is a place for the free market, but it must be built on fairness, transparency, and sustainability, with profit-seeking reined in by more important considerations. what we live in now is a degenerate form of the free market. Honestly, I think we need to dump a lot of the "free market" idea (maybe not entirely, but at least in its current form). Limiting trade is important for reasons of national security (e.g. guaranteeing access and control of war materials and vital resources) or for the protection of infant industries that would be destroyed by outside competition. I see national autarky as extremely important. The end result of the free trade worldview is the world of today. A lot of centralization of states over the last few centuries and the integration of them into larger and larger units has been directly driven by capitalistic goals (as well as other ones, obviously), see the slow unification of Germany into a single political entity in the 19th century or the EU with its no borders and free trade zones. This granted, I'm no economist and I hold views that actually would seek degrowth in the long term, and I see local production and barter as greater social goods than what we see today. It is a bit utopian though, admittedly
>>1499 >national security >incubation of fledgling industries yes, those are two valid reasons for economic protectionism. trade barriers such as tariffs, quotas, and sanctions have their roles to play in a healthy economy, as long as they're used proportionately and correctly. another reason is penalizing countries for exploitative practices, eg Trump's trade war with China. there has to be a balance. on one hand, hermit kingdoms who seal off their economies with Chinese walls end up impoverished. on the other, neoliberalism has led to outsourcing, exploitation, rust belts, and in many ways is the economic basis of globohomo. in other words, trade is good, too much trade is bad. by the Free Market, I mean a competitive economy with a relative lack of guilds, monopolies, and centralized controls, existing alongside the public sector, with contracts and fair practices enforced by the State. this is not to be confused with the neoliberal regime we live under.
>>1527 >in other words, trade is good, too much trade is bad. This is pretty much my view as well. We should ensure that, on one hand, that we are able to, if the situation were ever to call for it, to function self-sufficiently from all other states, but beyond that there is no real issue in my mind with trade. People have always done it in one form or another for obvious reasons, because it is often beneficial to both parties.
>>1486 what you said about judaism is accurate. what you said about islam and christianity is now. christianity came before islam and emphasized faith and intent over arbitrary rules; its degenerate form is works/rules based and the very same churches that spout that belief also praise israel. islam was a demonic death cult from the beginning when a demon posing as an angel (that muslims think was the angel gabriel) physically attacked mohammad into yet another violent works/law based religion like judaism. **i also have the posts on christian orthodoxy and why many have not experienced true christianity if anyone is interested.**
>>1530 each nation should be self-sufficient and trade their surplus. it's the neoliberal way to make countries dependent on international trade and (((lending))). >>1535 > christianity came before islam and emphasized faith and intent over arbitrary rules I should've mentioned this. it's true, a major tenet of Christianity is that intention and character are far more important than outward observance. in any case, its degenerate form is compromised; we see this in prosperity gospel, leftist political influence, and certain Vatican II policies. as for Islam, it may be Abrahamic, and it may have spawned a violent strain of fundamentalism in the modern world. however, I have a hard time condemning it as a whole, given all they achieved during the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates, and their social conservatism. with that said, it's still fundamentally incompatible with the West.
>>1598 Yes, the degenerate form of Christianity has been subverted by Jews and focuses on the very tenets Jesus criticized in Judaism. That has been obvious from the start with most churches outside of orthodoxy and catholicism with the fact that the current pope is also a false pope. however they still teach the same values (in regards to character/intent > anything else) for example forgiveness counts only if it's genuine. Interesting fact about it is the "faith" route is seen as the easiest, but its the one people have the most difficulty with. because "just believing" is the only aspect that you cant just phone-in or lie about. there is no way around it other than to be genuine and honest. You can see why jews have the most trouble. there is no way to trick or jew it. Islam is extremely degenerate even in its most fundamentalist forms. as far as social conservatism goes for example; in addition to virgins in the afterlife, they are also given pre-pubescent boy slaves. they also practice pedastry with boys and say its not homosexual because the boys arent men and the sex is not part of being homosexual. this is allowed to be practiced in places that condemn homosexuals with death. (notice the same pattern of jewish wordsmithing to get around intentions) These rewards were specifically designed because of the extremely high rate and acceptance of pedastry with young boys in the arab communities.
>>1605 >they are also given pre-pubescent boy slaves This is false though and comes from that poorly researched "Professor Kafir" series of posts. The handsome young boys in the Islamic heaven are for servicing food and drinks, not for providing means of committing homosexual acts. In the part of his post when he mentions this, he goes out on a limb and says "One might suspect that their task won't simply be to serve beverages" >(52:24) Youths as fair as hidden pearls will be set apart to wait upon them; they will be running to and fro to serve them. 56:17-21 >immortal youths shall go about them with goblets and ewers and a cup filled with a drink drawn from a running spring, a drink by which their minds will not be clouded nor will it cause drunkenness; they will also go about them with the fruits of which they may choose, and with the flesh of any fowl that they may desire to eat Damn, young immortal youths will serve the people of Heaven drinks, fruit and fowl! The horror! 76:19 >There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls. Homosexuality is a major sin in Islam, and it is clear from the Qur'an itself that sin is not permitted in Heaven - (56:25) Also daily reminder that the "bacha bazi" practice, which was an Afghan custom, was actually more or less eradicated by the Taliban who were, undeniably, puritan and fundamentalist Muslims https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/military-overlooked-sexual-abuse-by-afghan-allies-investigation-says/ >Following the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 and the collapse of Najibullah's regime in 1992, the country fell into chaos as various mujahideen factions fought for control. Mullah Omar went back to the madrassa at Singesar, although when he returned to religious teaching is unclear.[51] According to one legend, in 1994, he had a dream in which a woman told him: "We need your help; you must rise. You must end the chaos. Allah will help you."[51] Mullah Omar started his movement with less than 50 armed madrassah students who were simply known as the Taliban (Pashtun for 'students'). His recruits came from madrassas located in Afghanistan and the Afghan refugee camps which were located across the border in Pakistan. They fought against the rampant corruption which had emerged during the civil war period and were initially welcomed by Afghans who were weary of warlord rule. Apparently, Omar became sickened by the abusive raping of children by warlords and turned against their authority in the mountainous country of Afghanistan from 1994 onwards.[52] >The practice of bacha bazi by warlords was one of the key factors in Mullah Omar mobilizing the Taliban.[54] Reportedly, in early 1994, Omar led 30 men armed with 16 rifles to free two young girls who had been kidnapped and raped by a warlord, hanging him from a tank gun barrel.[55] https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/southasia/2018/01/24/the-revised-afghanistan-criminal-code-an-end-for-bacha-bazi/
>>1610 Also inb4 I'm called a mudshit for doing my research
We must enact the final solution to /pol/tards in our midst.
>>1624 I haven't seen anything egregiously bad but as always, report anything that you think might be breaking rules. Doesn't mean I'll necessarily act on it, but I always consider them.
>>1610 >they are also given pre-pubescent boy slaves >This is false though lol more mudshit shilling >Bacha bāzī (Dari: بچه بازی‎, lit. "boy play"; from چه bacheh, "boy", and بازی bazi "play, game") is a slang term for a wide variety of activities involving sexual relations between younger adolescent men or boys, who are called dancing boys, and older men. The custom is connected to sexual slavery and child prostitution.[1 >pic related it's you, sorry you'll never be white
>>1627 Funny how my post addresses this issue and you just ignore it. Reading must be hard for you, I understand.
>>1629 >too dumb to realize that pointing out where I already disproved my nigger-tier point is sheer idiocy Holy shit I'm arguing with a brainlet
>>1630 Go back to cuck/pol/, it's clear that you don't post here much
>>1610 the Taliban did clamp down on the practice, but it's had a resurgence since then. it does seem to be a non-Islamic middle eastern/central asian custom. even the 72 virgins story might be propaganda for all I know, I'd have to delve in further. I'll stick to my belief that Islam, while not Western, was not degenerate in the past.
>>1633 The 72 virgins story has more grounding in reality from the little that I have seen, though like a lot of things there's debate on the question on how allegorical description of Heaven may actually be. It's like the few parts of the Qur'an that describe various attributes of Allah in an anthropomorphic fashion, such as referring to his hand or eye. Some schools would say that this is obviously metaphorical, while others seem to take a more literal approach where this is indeed referring to some sort of hand or eye, but since Allah is a totally unique and unparalleled being in Islam, it is apparently nothing like and in no way comparable to any earthly or material equivalent that one could imagine. Basically typical bullshit pilpuling and rationalization like you see in most religions. I don't really concern myself with how degenerate Islam may or may not be, but I do know that it denies certain eternal Laws of Nature, rendering it in my eyes a false religion, and certainly no religion for White people to follow. Enough of this Abrahamic sickness, I say.
>>1632 >>1633 make me samefag >not degenerate in the past >religious founder literally "marries" a 6 year old stop digging
>>1635 t. hag lover
>>1610 >This is false though and comes from that poorly researched "Professor Kafir" series of posts. The handsome young boys in the Islamic heaven are for servicing food and drinks Do your research retard. I will quote your noble quran to you. From 56: the Sura Al Waqi'ah 10. And those foremost [(in Islamic Faith of Monotheism and in performing righteous deeds) in the life of this world on the very first call for to embrace Islam,] will be foremost (in Paradise). 11. These will be those nearest to Allah. 12. In the Gardens of delight (Paradise). 13. A multitude of those (foremost) will be from the first generations (who embraced Islam). 14. And a few of those (foremost) will be from the later time (generations). 15. (They will be) on thrones woven with gold and precious stones, 16. Reclining thereon, face to face. 17. They will be served by immortal boys, 18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine, And from 76: Sura Al-Insan 19. And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls. DO YOUR RESEARCH, FAGGOT PEDOPHILE APOLOGIST Also, what good does gold do for a man in the afterlife? sounds like bribery from a satanic force. maybe you shouldnt be worshipping satan in your pedophile faggot demon cult, right?
>>1661 Where is the implication of sex in this quoted passage?
>>1662 Where in the original post did they say specifically that the boys were specifically having sex? where in the book that describes the boy slaves being attractive and everlastingly young does it specifically say theyre for sex? its implied in that post no more than its implied in your shitty book but somehow you interpreted it that way. i wonder why? Where does the quran specifically say the 72 virgins are for sexual use?
WTF happened to /fascist that we're having this shit discussion in the RULES THREAD in the first place?! On julay (and before) there was a containment thread for black-pilled proto-converts and mud shills and everywhere else this abrahamic pedo lover crap got rightly banned right away.
>>1675 You get involved with a kike like Mark and don't go along with him your board ends up getting flooded with bullshit.
>>1675 Something something about it being more difficult to refute a lie than make it, although that shitskin got BTFO in every thread where he tried to shill for his sand religion, but no matter how buttmad he got, he kept coming for more. Abrahamistic slaves have some kind of masochistic fetish, they enjoy getting whipped and beaten, it feeds them. It could also be a group of kikes that shill for other kosher beliefs as well, trying to see which ones stick around.
>>1675 it started when I mentioned Islam in passing while discussing trade and degeneration. I should've known better.
BO will you finally pull your head out of your ass and make sure threads stay on topic? You did it on julay's, why not here?
>>1880 >BO will you finally pull your head out of your ass and make sure threads stay on topic? You did it on julay's, why not here? I assume you’re talking about the Tarrant thread. I hadn’t cracked down on it because (1) I was participating in the argument myself against them and (2) no one had reported any of the posts so I assumed no one minded that much. I can start to clean it up if that’s what you want. They should probably make their own threads if they want to shill it so bad
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>>1881 Thanks a lot for the quick action! I was afraid you'd given up on the board after all the hassle. If they want to argue their point they can do it in a separate thread. Fascism starts with order.
>>1886 > I was afraid you'd given up on the board after all the hassle. I'd have nowhere good to post without here, so it would take a lot to drive me away! No problem though, it did need to be cleaned up a bit. I didn't realize how much it had gotten off track until I realized that I had deleted 46 posts, leaving only 77 left.
As awkward as the fedchan board deletion might have been, it looks like you dodged a bullet. https://archive.fo/2vEkN Acidkike is working to implement a "system" where he can individually identify and "ban" specific tor users. This is some of the most radioactive shit I've seen in awhile.
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>>2386 I don't even know how that would work, but it does glow brighter than the sun. I'm glad I finally caved into anons' protests before this stuff started to be implemented.
>>2388 He's literally going to use harvested user data to create profiles on specific tor posters for bans. It's about 10 times worse than I thought it would be.
>>2388 While unfortunate this is not as new and big of a threat as it's made out to be. Every Tor user is routed through several nodes but of course the last exit node will have an ip adress which can be resolved to a board ID just as a normal ip can. In fact the Tor exit node ip's are normal ip adresses. It's just that all hundreds of thousands of Tor users share them roughly 800 to 1,000 nodes. So issuing users individual board ID's accordingly won't do much in decreasing opsec since I'm pretty sure the alphabet boys are already capable of harvesting those exit node ip's from the boards for correlation attacks. And even if not without knowing there the data originally came from, i.e. the entry node,it doesn't help them much.
>>2397 He's not banning based on exit nodes, he's literally harvesting data to profile individual users.
>>2398 >he's literally harvesting data to profile individual users. Where do you read that? Certainly not in those caps that are no proof for anything whatsover. What data could you harvest from a Tor poster anyways? You get the comment text (open to see anyways), time and date (open to see anyways) and then you have the exit node's ip. The latter is not open to see (for now) but that's just on the surface, I wonder actually what good it should do when any admin or janny can see the ip right now when he enters his account. If he wants to ip ban he can do that already. So if it's anything else tell us exactly what and how data will be harvested or I'll consider this just another FUD campaign albeit a stupid one. Also anyone, stop posting cuckflared shit, you need to enable javascript to see it and that is far more dangerous than a board ID which is based on an exit node ip that is shared by hundreds of users.
>>2401 Lynxchan can already ban based on individual tor nodes, that is not what he is proposing. ID's based on tor nodes is not the concern, and not even what he's proposing either. He's saying he's going to use individual browser harvested data to identify each tor poster and ban them independently of their tor node based on the profile created from that data. Banning/assigning ID's based on tor exit nodes would be pointless. It takes a split second to change your exit node.
>>2402 >individual browser harvested data Frankly, I had this in mind when I wrote the above but I didn't think he would be that stupid. Tor left in it's standard configuration will basically give the same browser data, it's true there are some difference but there are still tens of thousands of Tor browsers with the same configuration. I seriously doubt they can do much with what they attempt. This is the website from the Electronic Frontier Foundation where you can check your browser profile and how unique it is. https://panopticlick.eff.org/
>>2405 Which is why it's so concerning. Tor is designed around being difficult to profile, it's literally the entire point of the tor browser bundle. And yet Acidkike is confident he's able to do it effectively, yet in the thread refused to go into detail about it and hasn't actually refuted any of the accusations about how it works. Couple that with the fact I'm almost certain the sites source isn't available to the public and you have a very sketchy situation. I wish it were just ID's based on tor nodes, believe me.
>>2407 At this point I still think he overestimates his own abilities or underestimates the task at hand. With luck he might be able to differentiate between subgroups of Tor users, each hundreds strong but that's about it. Naturally, anonymity is greatly reduced when java script is enabled, though that begs the question why people use Tor at all, then. May be he's refering to those? In any case using Tor browser with highest security should be safe and I refuse to believe that some guy wrote some code for an imageboard software that outsmarted the NSA.
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>>2408 8moe data harvesting clarification. I retract literally nothing I said given the retarded information acid provided at the time about how fucking sketchy what he was alluding to was.
>>2386 Acid tried to catalog people in Gamergate as well. He's known to act like this and that's why there was a huge push back against him. You never touch anything he does because he's got fed links and tracks people. >>2408 He has fed connections, if not being one himself by now. He could easily be using it as a testing ground for new software. Mark brings in a userbase they can track and test it out on.
Why was my thread discussing inbreeding deleted? It's a topic not touched on but core to history in Europe. It wasn't pornographic in any way.
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>>2542 Honestly, I had just assumed it was a troll thread on par with the "gay / tranny fascist" threads that appear every now and then, and so I deleted it. If it wasn't just a troll thread maybe the question would be better posed in the unpopular opinions thread, but if you really want to make a thread on the issue I'll let it go at least until it gets reported a bunch unless it gets some good discussion. Up to you. At least put you opinion on the issue in it though
>>2543 When you put an opinion in OP you influence the people responding to you throughout the thread. I would rather let others post their opinions and then post mine a few down so it doesn't become OP vs thread.
>>2548 That's a very stupid way to go about it, especially since glow niggers and shills are known to make retarded threads then just never respond to any of the posts and leave themselves at (1). If you're going to make an OP on the clearnet with an ID about a controversial topic you should engage in that thread with the same ID as to make it clear you're posting in good faith and not just sliding with weird threads about sexual degeneracy.
>>2548 >When you put an opinion in OP you influence the people responding to you throughout the thread Not necessarily in the way you think, I think it’s a good way to start a conversation rather than just posting some boring one-liner.
>>2551 >>2559 You don't post it then leave. You post, wait until it has 5-10 replies and then post your opinion. You become part of the conversation rather than one side of it. I'm not a fan of threads where you can see OP babysitting it.
Hey BO, you know that scaremongering white-killings shitpost you deleted? 1) it was actual botspam, you can find the exact same post on a heap of other IBs and forums 2) THE MADMAN POSTED IT ON /leftypol/

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