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Woman Thread Blackshirt 09/08/2020 (Tue) 13:56:40 ID: 90231b No.7916
How will Fascism or National Socialism fix relations between men and women? Is there any fixing what has happened, or is it largely a case of removing the muddlers and the natural relations will restore themselves as a matter of course? What is essential: >ensuring a father can support an entire family, getting women out of the work-force >encouraging and supporting large families through incentives, loans, etc >encouraging men and women to marry earlier >making divorce more difficult >banning pornography >domestic discipline
>>16223 The cuck is absolutely integral to the female sexual strategy. Even studies have mentioned this: 1) Women’s desire for chad increases after having settled with a beta, and they lose interest in their husbands sexually >Psychologically, women are hardwired differently than men, A woman has a dual sex drive. The first is centered on finding a mate for life to help support her and her offspring. This is why (and when) love is such an important part of a woman's sexual desire, The second is a desire to obtain a variety of the best genetic material to produce the best children. Exactly like you said. >This second desire begins to grow once a woman has found her life mate and grows stronger as time with him progresses. Eventually, this latter and more powerful drive overpowers her sexual desire for her life mate. This is why a woman's sexual desire for her husband diminishes over time >At the same time, her sexual desire for other men is increasing. This does not make her immoral or mean that she no longer loves her husband. It is simply part of her genetic code (Susan, 2011), Compounding this is that, nature has not only given women a two prong and exponentially stronger sex drive than men, it has also given women the ability to experience a far greater quantity, intensity, and variety of sexual pleasure and orgasm than men. This is nature's way of motivating a woman to seek out sexual activity considering the risk she bears in doing so 2) Women cheat or fantasize about cheating the most during ovulation, when they're at their most fertile >In fact, women in particular, as a group, show systematic changes in sexual fantasy and attractiveness to extra-pair men, among other sex-related traits, around the time of ovulation (Macrae et al., 2002). Women are not only more likely to fantasize about and sometimes engage in an affair during this time, they are also more sensitive to and attracted by male pheromones (Gangestad et al., 2002). https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321974394_Cuckoldry_Its_incidence_in_human_and_animal_population Brutal, but it makes sense when one thinks about it. Female sexuality has traditionally been controlled for very good reasons.
>>16229 >The cuck is absolutely integral to the female sexual strategy. Does even exist at least 1 (one) example in whole human history of female led/dominated society that was successful or at least didn't end in complete disaster? Genuinely curious.
>>16243 Even more than just their success and failures, there has never existed a "female led/dominated society" during all of human history. Feminist theories about ancient matriarchies have no credibility. Even putative examples of "matriarchies" existing like the Musuo people in China are asterisked with the fact that political power is in the hands of males: >The fact is, the Mosuo culture defies categorization within traditional definitions. It is true that they have aspects of a matriarchal culture, in that women are the head of the house, property is passed through the female line, and women tend to make the business decisions. But political power tends to be in the hands of males, which disqualifies them as a true matriarchy (nor is this entirely a result of Chinese influence, as we will discuss below). And even funnier than this is that this whole culture was astroturfed into the group by the elite: >It has been theorized that the “matriarchal” system of the lower classes may have been enforced (or at least encouraged) by the higher classes as a way of preventing threats to their own power. Since leadership was hereditary, and determined through the male family line, it virtually eliminated potential threats to leadership by having the peasant class trace their lineage through the female line. Therefore, attempts to depict the Mosuo culture as some sort of idealized “matriarchal” culture in which women have all the rights, and where everyone has much more freedom, are often based on lack of knowledge of this history; the truth is that for much of their history, the Mosuo ‘peasant' class were subjugated and sometimes treated as little better than slaves. https://web.archive.org/web/20180112220704/http://www.mosuoproject.org/matri.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo_women Societies where kinship is traced through females exist of course, but these are hardly female-dominated. The real distinction in cultures then, I think, is how gynocentric they are. Some cultures recognize that women need oversight and restrictions, others bend over backwards for pussy and try to place them on a pedestal as much as possible or raise them to be entitled by saying they are "princesses" or whatever. We're quite obviously in an extremely gynocentric culture. Like your video shows, it is an chad versus beta mentality
Will women see me as a beta faggot if I am wary of fucking them unless I think it is going to lead to marriage? Especially if I am not a Christfag I think I will be looked at like a freak. I have a Christian friend who wouldn't fuck some whore he was dating at his university and apparently she got butthurt when he wouldn't have sex with her for religious reasons
>>16825 >Will women see me as a beta faggot if I am wary of fucking them Yes, and you should also fuck women you like, fulfilling sex seals a bond simpler and better than anything else i can think of. Also consider that marriage is literally a scam in this timeline, don't get married because it's essentially just a government paper, a pointless social contract where a literal norm has been created among women to break it and the courts to fuck over men in court. You can have an unofficial marriage act like you're married, buy rings have kids. Nothing is wrong with that.
>>16828 My thought process has always been that more sex with more partners = lower pair-bonding. I'm sure this applies to men of course, as well, but I have a feeling that it applies more with women, so it is probably smarter for me, I guess, to look for women with minimal body-counts to the extent that that is possible. And you're right, marriage is a scam. I've thought about it a bit before myself and have leaned towards the "unofficial marriage" idea myself too.
>>16825 If you hold out for marriage for a non-virgin then yes you are a beta faggot. If you find a virgin you should fuck her and marry her ASAP anyways to claim her.
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>>16837 >If you hold out for marriage for a non-virgin then yes you are a beta faggot. You're definitely right, it's basically useless at that point anyway. I'm not really concerned about preserving my own virginity that much. I'm not the one, in my mind, who would be adversely affected by a high body-count (which I don't think I will ever have either way). Perhaps the best thing to do is to look for just good wife-material. If they're a virgin that is a bonus, but if not it's not extremely important (even if I'd prefer it) so long as she'd be a good fit for me and good mother-material.
>>16833 >pair bonding Pretty sure that's a meme unless you're thinking about some hyperslut which most women are not, funny thing is actually I read somwhere that for both genders these days in certain questionnaires asked virginity is more normal than in the past i have read, also they found out a recurrent thing even for normies is increasing amounts of lonelyness and depression, for both genders hence the suicide and self harm epidemics that don't get reported. But since none of that data goes along with (((celibacy))) narrative it seems to me those faggots ignore it to support their own ingrown incel agendas.
>>16839 Yep, virginity is a lot more common than most people on imageboards think. Kikes also skew numbers to make people think that humans are naturally way more degenerate than reality suggests. Regarding being promiscuous, with actual respect to nature, I see no point to it. You contribute nothing to humanity with being overly promiscuous in a natural setting besides overpopulation. I think it's better to not behave like a bunch of vice-ridden niggers. Quality is better than quantity.
>>16839 >Pretty sure that's a meme unless you're thinking about some hyperslut which most women are not The data that I’ve seen seems to indicate that there is a drastic difference in marital stability even between having no prior partners and between people who have had one or more. I always take studies with a grain of salt but it seems intuitive. Hypersluts of course need avoided like the plague
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>>16845 That's why I wrote you shouldn't get married in this degenerated sociopolitical enviroment bro it's just BS, just get engaged or do your own cool out of system marriage ceremony or whatever, a girl who really loves you will absolutely accept your take on this.
>>16839 >Pretty sure that's a meme It's not. Even a few dicks before you reduces you to just another one meaning higher chance of infidelity and lower chance of long term relationship success. And female virginity rates in the west are very low.
>>16850 Can you prove this?
>>16851 Can you definitively prove that emotional stress has a greater physiological impact on men than women? Can you definitively prove that this is one of the core reasons men die younger than women? Can you definitively prove that this is one of the core reasons weak boys are falling prey to tranny propaganda? Can you definitively prove that this is one of the core reasons men become homeless or hermits? It's easy to prove the first, but impossible to prove the others. There is a strong correlation, but there will never be proof to the standard you seek because it relies on self reporting. You believe whatever you want to believe.
>>16852 Notice how at no point did i ever proclaim that "Women are such high quality in 2020." or whatever. So no need for that attitude, I simply asked him a genuine question. While keeping in mind Hypersluts are not capable of reforming their (((habits))) and thus fit for a pump and dump. So what remains is for you or him to prove that psychosocial claim that goes hand in hand with the totally mindfucked celibacy narrative in this thread or fuck off. Or will you hand in the towel? Since surely it it would appear you two know better than me right?
>>16853 >and thus fit for a pump and dump. >even contemplating pump and dump It's clear that no genuine information would alter your perception.
>>16854 >It's clear that no genuine information would alter your perception. It appears that you are incapable of providing at least a minute amount of proof for your pair bonding celibacy claim. Stop being a mind kike, provide proof for it or fuck off. >even contemplating pump and dump Nihilistic copout from you aside, the times I've done that I knew damn well that If it weren't me it probably would be another man. I saw to it that it better be me. Do you understand? Besides thinking the world is some giant bible study and everything else that goes on is heresy isn't legit. Although breeding for the sake of breeding isn't prime it tends to happen, it pretty much has to happen as when testing the waters anyway. I guess there's some people like yourself don't know the least thing about that.
>>16856 Why would anyone with any self-respect have any desire to fuck some whore who sees you only as another number or a lay? This is nigger shit. If you're breeding just to breed all you do is litter the Earth with future fuck-ups who wont be of any service to the umbrella of causes supported by this board. People had lots of kids in the past because something like 3/4 died before they were 18.
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>>16857 Spare it fag, Look at you trying to bait and switch me here so you can try to compress and guage natural human behavior into some unnatural feelium bookworm compass of yours just because I was open for a moment. Hilarious to see this false outrage tier shit acting as If im some kind of a mega bad guy for mingling naturally following my insticts and occationally having had sex in my life while not fooling myself thinking "we can work anything out" listening to her shit talking her past bf/hookups and other untrustworthy garbage slut behavior. LOL Grow the fuck up mate. Sometimes you don't even find out how slutty they are until you start dating, but by all means you go on taking that soul crushing road as some toadie trying to run a fucking a slut rehab center by being that guy who doesn't accept his friend's warning when they're trying to talk to him about how she's trying to come on to other people and shit until it's too late. Sorry, not going to do that.
>>16860 I was not the other poster, you can tell by the id. How in the hell does that image pertain to what I stated? If your natural instincts lead you to disease and loneliness you are of no loss. >Sometimes you don't even find out how slutty they are until you start dating With low intuition and a repellent stature sure. I'm trying to run a slut rehab center? I'm the one saying that women who have no fucking restraint aren't even worth my time or dick. I don't need someone to tell me if a woman is a revolting bag of syphilis, that becomes apparent very quickly. Just know that kikes created the war of the sexes and disregarding all women as whores is a very bad line of thinking that doesn't increase your quality of life.
>>16862 >I'm trying to run a slut rehab center? I'm the one saying that women who have no fucking restraint aren't even worth my time or dick. I don't need someone to tell me if a woman is a revolting bag of syphilis, that becomes apparent very quickly. Women although it may not seem like it think with their holes more than men and we're for a fact not going to be running a slut rehabilitation clinic until we get our societies back to fix this so don't peddle that bullshit with me. >Just know that kikes created the war of the sexes and disregarding all women as whores is a very bad line of thinking that doesn't increase your quality of life. I think you've misunderstood, a "war of the sexes" isn't seeing a spade for a spade and recognizing bad from good does increase your quality of life. >If your natural instincts lead you to disease and loneliness you are of no loss. You know trying to find a real mate these days is none of that though, for all the false outrage thats probably just your low male status talking for you. Instead implying everything under the sun trying to further air my laundry for me while not even providing one real answer to the question I asked pertaining to "pair bonding" why don't you talk about your own experiences if you have any mate, and let us be the judge of you.
>>16863 Because your reading comprehension skills are so shot (I never brought up pair bonding, that was not me you actual nigger) and you actually consider the idea of slut rehab to be feasible, I won't respond again to this incredibly dumb shit. I have better ways to wait for the oncoming collapse.
>>16864 Well this apparent clusterfuck was sparked by me asking a question about "pair bonding" so yeah, it would make sense for me to like having that question answered by good people of this board before a bunch of rude implications to my personal experiences now wouldn't it? But at this point sorry to say It would probably just be the decent thing for a few parties to just admit they're probably a virrrgin who has no clue and prefer to get mad and slander me for even talking about intercourse.
>>16851 I pulled some stats for you from my pictures folder. To contribute in turn you should do more research into virginity rates and post back what you find here.
>>16878 Here is some more evidence for you
>>7931 Yeah let's turn Western countries into some kind of afro-islamic shitholes where it's legal to drag women out of their homes and rape them. Just like Hitler intended!
>>17984 >where it's legal to drag women out of their homes and rape them Rape no, but to drag your whore wife out of the house and flog her is a Germanic tradition. >Very rare for so numerous a population is adultery, the punishment for which is prompt, and in the husband's power. Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and then flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband. No one in Germany laughs at vice, nor do they call it the fashion to corrupt and to be corrupted. Still better is the condition of those states in which only maidens are given in marriage, and where the hopes and expectations of a bride are then finally terminated. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0083%3Achapter%3D19
>>18047 Rape is exactly what is being proposed here. Forcing some women into prostitution. Absolutely, jewishly degenerate.
>>18054 What do you think taking a concubine is? if it remember my archaic definitions properly Rape originally meant to capture a woman for concubinage or marriage.
>>19562 Varg is based. He knows the truth. A good woman is only attracted to a good man who has mastered himself.
>>19564 > A good woman is only attracted to a good man who has mastered himself. There are no 'good' women Anon. Not a single one is honest. They are all like children with little to no personal agency. They simply attempt to mold themselves to whoever they perceive to be the most alpha/able to boost their social status. If they've been led to believe that's nigger men, then they'll curry favor from and fuck nigger men. If they think that's powerful, self-reliant White men, then they'll curry favor from and fuck these men. Even going back to classical times, men had more sense than to hold women more highly than they ought. Today's world is simply insanity in this regard.
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>>19570 Like Varg said, many women would naturally be good wives and mothers before they are spoiled by societal indoctrination and feminism. This is because it is their natural role. What you are saying about their child-like nature and conformity though is very true.
>>16833 >unofficial marriage This becomes irrelevant when "common law marriage" allows the women to get all the state divorce-rape benefits of marriage even if you never sign the papers.
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>>19562 Pretty easy to say this when you're already set and married yourself, typical boomer-tier advice. It seems like most men just get really cocky once they've locked down a woman and will shit on younger men who are in the exact same position they were right before they found their partner. From what I've seen and heard, he wasn't so different from most young 'doomer' men when he was young. So what, does he expect all men to just wait until their 30s to get married? That's not what happens in a healthy, functional society. In such a society, everyone would be married as quickly as possible to avoid young, single men causing civil unrest. With ongoing trends, most men will already have killed themselves or lost all hope if they still haven't found a partner at that age. There are many men in the west who lift, are well-read, try all kinds of tricks like nofap and cold showers in the hopes that this will finally land them a girlfriend but it just doesn't happen.
>>19593 >Pic realted Whoever wrote that garbage is likely a shill or a loser himself Self improvement is about freeing one self from the vices that keep him down and building discipline. Most people who have been successful in life (non-jews) have been so due to a variety of factors, but a big one is that they did not fall into the trap of addiction, escapism, and dopamine hunting. Those who grew up with good parental support, good discipline instilled in them naturally were able to find a good woman. The others who fell into the jewish traps to varying degrees have to fight with themselves to escape, this is what self improvement is about - climbing out of the hole and reestablishing oneself free of the hindrances of vice.
>>19600 I do not think that self-improvement in itself is a bad thing, it does help with getting rid of bad habits and using your time more productively. However, I am sick of hearing this myth that is spread online that it will lead you to get a girlfriend or wife. A lot of the times, getting a partner is something that happens out of pure chance/luck. Sure, not being a porn masturbation addict will help but it's not going to guarantee anything. I attached the image because I guess Varg does have this boomer-esque 'pull yourself by the bootstraps' mentality where every shortcoming of modern man is supposedly a result of their own laziness and not a result of societal factors that they have zero control over.
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Imagine a world where women are unequivocally forbidden from using phones, the Internet and from reading and writing and even talking when not spoken to. Women have to be controlled and, in some cases when she is not bound to some man already, there is nothing wrong with "raping" her and carrying her off for yourself because that is her passive nature. To disagree would be to say that women should have control, i.e. dominance over their wombs and the reproductive faculty, which is not as it should be, because women are the passive sex.
>>19614 >in some cases when she is not bound to some man already, there is nothing wrong with "raping" her and carrying her off for yourself Fairly based except for this part. Traditionally women would always have a male guardian, whether this was her father, her brother, her husband or her son. These men would be concerned for her chastity and would not be pleased to have random people raping them
>>19607 >I do not think that self-improvement in itself is a bad thing, it does help with getting rid of bad habits and using your time more productively. However, I am sick of hearing this myth that is spread online that it will lead you to get a girlfriend or wife. A lot of the times, getting a partner is something that happens out of pure chance/luck. Sure, not being a porn masturbation addict will help but it's not going to guarantee anything. I attached the image because I guess Varg does have this boomer-esque 'pull yourself by the bootstraps' mentality where every shortcoming of modern man is supposedly a result of their own laziness and not a result of societal factors that they have zero control over. Most of the "getting a girlfriend" part stems from the basic truth that good women are more attracted to men who are not needy, who don't orbit them or put them on a pedestal, who are not trying to get into their pants, who are working towards something for themselves first; they are goal driven, have confidence and courage, and are emotionally stable. It's not a guarantee of any stretch of imagination, but it gives you a better chance to attract a worthwhile woman who will complement you. I wouldn't say that is of "pure chance or luck" but of making your own luck by setting up the best possible odds. Women are perceptive beings and they can sense the "aura" emitted by people. If one projects an aura of hostility, negativity, and defeat they can pick up on this and will react accordingly. In other words, focusing on bettering yourself, for yourself will not only make yourself more attractive to viable women, but you'll also make yourself happy to and find success in life. Varg is right about porn and masturbation, it rots your brain, destroys your confidence and testosterone, programs you to seek sex over companionship, and women can sense all of that. Also remember that the most vocal women are the beta females and they don't represent all women, just as White knight, beta orbiters don't represent all men. Ignore the skanks, feminist trash and be a VOLCEL, until a suitable women enters your domain.
>>19588 >This becomes irrelevant when "common law marriage" allows the women to get all the state divorce-rape benefits of marriage even if you never sign the papers. Remember that jews are a social parasite, and they have society up so that inadequate relationships will falter, the man will be financially harmed, and the woman free to take revenge in court. This is solely to cause division between men and women, to stop relationships from forming out of fear (especially among cautious, intelligent men who would produce viable offspring), and to reduce population growth among Whites. The reality is that this risk cannot be mitigated, and refusing to take the risk of finding a suitable mate harms nobody but the man himself. Our primary goal as a species is to reproduce and a life lived without such is a waste as your legacy will be a dead end. Don't cower in the shadows, but instead build yourself up, be stoic, and attract the female worthy of taking the risk with.
>>19617 >who are working towards something for themselves first; they are goal driven, have confidence and courage, and are emotionally stable I hear that a lot and it's not like I don't understand that on their part. But the thing is, a lot of men just need a woman as a sort of additional motivation to be productive in life. I really don't think it's that weird, for most of history men would work mainly with the intent to provide for their wife and children. Most of the time, getting a wife would be one of the first parts of the process of improving yourself, with everything else coming after that. Many men will end up having this weird void as long as they cannot satisfy that crave, it's hard to be confident if you've never got a woman's attention. Once you do have that attention, only then can you be truly confident and move on to more important aspects of life.
>>19619 >>who are working towards something for themselves first; they are goal driven, have confidence and courage, and are emotionally stable I hear that a lot and it's not like I don't understand that on their part. But the thing is, a lot of men just need a woman as a sort of additional motivation to be productive in life. I really don't think it's that weird, for most of history men would work mainly with the intent to provide for their wife and children. Most of the time, getting a wife would be one of the first parts of the process of improving yourself, with everything else coming after that. Many men will end up having this weird void as long as they cannot satisfy that crave, it's hard to be confident if you've never got a woman's attention. Once you do have that attention, only then can you be truly confident and move on to more important aspects of life. I get what you're saying anon, but things aren't as simple as they used to be. We have to compete with non-White men who are artificially held up in social status by jews thanks to affirmative action and "equal" opportunity employment. We have to compete with jew media portraying a false image of us being incompetent, unsuccessful, "privileged" when in reality we are the most oppressed class and race. Women are social beings, and with this jew infection having taken hold in their minds at a young age it is an uphill battle in order to shed it, and it starts with one's inner strength first. I think you might be forgetting that alot of successful men also change priorities after they have found a wife and father children, in the beginning they don't start out with that drive, instead it is a drive for their passions in life. Can I ask if you are currently struggling with any addictions? Are you in the porn trap?
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>>19619 >it's hard to be confident if you've never got a woman's attention. Once you do have that attention, only then can you be truly confident and move on to more important aspects of life. You don't need to be dependent on others for a sense of worth or self-assurance. That is actually the worst place to get this feeling from. It has to come from within. To operate with this sort of attitude is actually a bit effeminate in my mind. Women are the ones who dress and do themselves up for the sake of attention, and get upset if they are not being given attention. A man (ideally) doesn't crave outside validation and attention, even if people will have their attentions drawn to him. Self-sufficiency is a very important masculine virtue to strive after. I don't mean this necessarily in the individualistic sense either, I mean in the sense of merely being content with oneself and self-controlled. I'm not talking down either. I'm a virgin who has never had a girlfriend, but I don't live for female validation. That is how one becomes a beta cuck.
>>19623 It's not about validation or attention it's about results and fulfilling your biological imperative.
>>19622 >Can I ask if you are currently struggling with any addictions? Are you in the porn trap? No, I used to though. The reason why I mentioned NoFap is because I've seen a lot of these clueless boys online who think NoFap is gonna guarantee them a girlfriend and it's just sad. Like I said, I agree that self-improvement is a positive thing, for getting more energy and putting your time into more productive things like lifting or reading. But it's not gonna help you get things that are out of your reach because they have more to do with societal factors than with your own physical & mental health. >>19625 This, I didn't mean 'attention' in the sense that girls want to spend time with you or talk to you. I was talking more about physical validation. I am not thinking about this stuff 24/7 just to be clear, I just wanted to make a point regarding the mentality that some married men may have, that young men today are simply lazy and do not want to put in the effort to get what previous generations had. It's more so that society has made it practically impossible for them to attain that. Times have changed, I think that even 10 years ago things in this field were very different. https://theflamingeyeball.wordpress.com/2020/12/22/the-kids-are-not-alright-a-response-to-rod-drehers-article-regarding-generation-z-sexuality/
>>19627 >I was talking more about physical validation What do you mean by this? Because I do not see how this is much different from the type of attention you were saying that you did not mean
>>19628 I guess it's about being considered sexually attractive and being worthy of impregnating her. It's weird to type it out like that but imagine a woman being prepared to be practically disabled for 9 months and potentially risking her life to be able to bear your offspring, I think that's the strongest possible expression of love there is in life.
And of course, I am not saying that your girlfriend/wife should be the center of your existence or anything, that would be pathetic. But I do think women can be a strong motivating force for a lot of men.

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