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Christian Fascist Thread Blackshirt 05/22/2020 (Fri) 19:36:33 ID: 9df816 No.181
Am I the only Christian here?
Maybe instead of fighting with each other we should just get along
>>1555 >it's ridiculous to demonize christianity when the population is still mostly christian with atheism following behind. Debatable. Most of the population wants nothing to do with white nationalism or a life that isn't just being a consumer either, but we still have to call them out for it regardless of how many people it might upset. This said, as a White Nationalist, when I talk to people IRL, I don't spend much time attacking Christianity, hardly any at all. I mainly spend time talking about the most important issues, i.e. demographic change, race, degeneracy, the JQ and the stuff that we all agree on here. I recently told a guy IRL that Jesus is teaching him to be a doormat and he just chuckled, but that's just me throwing shade as part of a larger discussion. If I go out there and start preaching MIGHT IS RIGHT, KIKE ON A STICK off the bat, I'm gonna push people away from me. As long as they understand the issues and aren't cucked by their morality I let them believe what they like. I do attack if they say "b-b-b-but Jewsus said...."
I think the anti christian sentiment is overly fanatical
>>1572 >I think the anti christian sentiment is overly fanatical I think so too but it really depends where you've grown up I guess. People who haven't experienced much influence by Christians or faux Christians like me tend to be more sympathetic and look fondly back to a religion that gave us the crusades. If you were raised in a small town in rural America among insanely retarded evangelicals you probably hate those crazy fanatics with a passion.
>>1575 If I grew-up with the American-version of anything I would too end-up hating it. There is something about that country that turns everything into the worst version of itself. Good thing I grew-up in a family that takes the « Help yourself so I [God] can help you » axion as the main lesson from Christianity, meaning that we never ask for God's help, instead do everything ourselves and so God manifests trough that work. Almost everyone I have meet who is deeply religious is a hypocrite, like they try to use religion as a way to fix themselves instead of taking responsibility. Yes, come as you are, but you must too put in the work to change, Christ is there to pick you up again if you fall, not do everything for you. All these people have also being protestants of the American variety, they act like a franchising company instead of a church.
>>1572 All issues affecting our people need to be addressed.
I look at it from the view that if most fascist parties historically emphasized christianity as a core element of themselves then there's no need to rail against it so much. Christians on this board will agree that christianity has been hijacked by a (((certain element))) to suit it's needs. There's no need to push them away.
>>1590 >most fascist parties historically emphasized christianity as a core element of themselves then there's no need to rail against it so much At most they took a secular stance where it was to be seen as a private concern so long as it did not interfere with or subvert the state (such as in Mosley's writings). In the 25-point program of the NSDAP they say that they demand liberty for all religious denominations in the state, again so long as they do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. And then Giovanni Gentile writes in Origins and Doctrine of Fascism that state authority is paramount above all and that morality and religion are to be subordinated to it. It seems more to me that from a theoretical standpoint - and to me this is what matters most rather than how things played out historically - that religion has always played a subordinate role. Any pandering towards Christianity seems more akin to deal with a matter-of-fact rather something that was all-important. It'd be like being an American and not paying lip-service to ideas of liberty. There has always been an anti-Christian undercurrent, and it has, curiously enough, grown in strength from 1945 on
>>1588 (Heil'd) You can address issues without being a complete spastic about it. Instead of attaching a fellow fascist, or promoting bridge-burning we should concentrate in more productive things. Pagans are so volatile that I feel that I have to be overly cautious with the examples I use so they do not drown threads in >>1473 . I always thought little of communities that need disclaimers like « Warning, this post contains references to X. This is my opinion and it is fine that you disagree :) », but now I am starting to consider using something similar, as to not trigger pagans into derailing threads towards themselves and how oppressed they have being. And speaking of the devil; Yes, I know these are most likely a few very-active posters who are responsible for this. These are most likely young atheists, LARPing as Vikings, and trying to convince themselves that they are not atheists anymore. No one with confidence over what they believe acts this defensive. But their activities are making Pagans look as hard to work with, while spreading half-truths and parroting cherry-picked and out-of-context facts about christianity to fit their rhetoric, classic D&C. This thread is for Christian fascist to discuss about christianity and its posible interactions with Fascism. re-taking it from ZOG, not pointing-out what appears to be obvious by everyone and leaving it there. The « What » and the « Why » are not enough, complaining without thoughtful solutions is a waste of time. Thus, Let's stop this divisive attitude and work together, each on our side in manners like this, but under cooperation. I would hate to go trough manny migrations due to drama, website shutdown or failure just to have ourselves be the ones that destroy the board.
>>1592 Nice of you to only name the two parties that emphasized secularism over religiosity. You think the fascists in OP's pic aren't putting their christian religion and traditions at the forefront of their minds?
>>1595 >These are most likely young atheists, LARPing as Vikings, and trying to convince themselves that they are not atheists anymore. How come I do not see any of these mythical Viking LARPers anywhere on this board?
>>1575 >Crusades They weren't done in the name of the White Race. Lay off the memes. >>1590 >hijacked by a (((certain element))) Jesus was a Semite.
>>1619 Okay? It doesn't change the fact that Europe has been christian for 1000+ years which has undoubtedly left it's mark on Europeans and vice versa.
>>1622 >which has undoubtedly left it's mark on Europeans and vice versa. Yes, unfortunately. I have a feeling that Christcucks in general are more attracted to the specifically White elements of Christianity rather than anything else, i.e. the music, the art, the architecture and the like. No one can doubt that there are many beautiful Christian-inspired pieces of great beauty, or magnificent cathedrals scattered across Europe. The final redpill though is that it is not Christianity we must thank for these, but the great potential within our own White race-soul. Christianity is not an essential ingredient to our greatness, and it in fact has become a hindrance.
>>1625 Maybe so, but without it Europe would have been deprived of the likes of Charlamange who healed Europe and made it a force to stand against the muslim wave to come in his time. The art and philosophy associated with the triumvirate. We had the potential but without a catalyst these things wouldn't have graced Europe. We were better off being a faithful people than one that attributes their gods to mere physical phenomenon like the Egyptians evolved their theistic beliefs to be.
>>1628 If a politically fragmented and pagan Greece was able to hold off a massive invasion from Persia not once but twice, I have faith that it could be done against Muslim hordes as well. >We were better off being a faithful people than one that attributes their gods to mere physical phenomenon like the Egyptians evolved their theistic beliefs to be. This view of paganism is the most primitive one that is often actively mocked and challenged by pagan philosophers themselves if one takes the time to read works such as Cicero's The Nature of the Gods. There was much speculation in this territory. Personally I see no more reason to believe in a plethora of pagan personifications of nature than I do some sort of personal Abrahamic deity he is wholly separate from the universe. There was nothing lacking in Europe prior to Christianity.
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>>1636 Speaking of Japan, it is very curious how much of what Japanese critics of Christianity like nationalist Aizawa Seishisai said is directly in line with what many people here believe. Do Christians consider him to be a viking LARPer too? >Aizawa saw Christianity as a religion founded upon the principle that all people are equal in the eyes of God. To him, this notion was a clever deceit and a highly effective weapon. It posed no small threat to Japan because of its irresistible appeal to the lower classes. It taught them the seductive fiction that all people universally deserve God's love, and that this love is a power greater even than the authority of a local samurai, a daimyou, a shougun or even an emperor. "It's main doctrines are simple to grasp and well-contrived; they can easily deceive stupid commoners with it" (Source: Evanescence and Form by Charles Shiro Inouye)
>>1636 You're not posting anything I haven't posted in the past. I grew out of bitching about christian iconoclasm in the classical era. The fact of the matter is that christian fascists aren't any less cucked than pagans whether you want to believe that or not.
>>1644 >I grew out of bitching about christian iconoclasm in the classical era. Don't you care about the immense loss of knowledge about our own history that came about through this? Statues destroyed and defaced, oral histories of druids and other priests totally forgotten without a trace, philosophical works destroyed, schools of philosophy closed, etc etc. They behaved like Muslims. I'm not a Vargfag who will spend everyday crying about how the mean Christians did these things, but it's a tragedy for all European people nonetheless. >The fact of the matter is that christian fascists aren't any less cucked than pagans whether you want to believe that or not. Debatable again. The Iron Guard - a group that I very much admire - appears to me to be the exception rather than the rule. 99.9% of Christians are nothing like that in the slightest
>>1649 Why would I complain if I can't change it? I am disappointed by the loss but there's nothing to be done. This is a cycle that has happened throughout history to civilizations older than the romans. Hitler is perhaps right when he criticised the neo-pagans of his day. It's a constant fight to preserve that which couldn't survive the onslaught instead of creating new conceptions of metaphysics native to the European mind. >The Iron Guard - a group that I very much admire - appears to me to be the exception rather than the rule. 99.9% of Christians are nothing like that in the slightest I hope you realize most fascists are the exception in society.
>>1654 >Why would I complain if I can't change it? There's a difference, I think, between thinking that it is a shame that something happened and throwing a tantrum over the fact that it happened despite it having happened and there's nothing we can do about, so in that sense we agree. >Hitler is perhaps right when he criticised the neo-pagans of his day. Yes, he was mainly talking about LARPers with spiked helmets and axes from what I remember in MK, i.e. the lowest form of pagan. I myself criticize those who merely want to bring back a 1:1 version of the old ways. For one, this is impossible, but two, it would be somewhat artificial in a sense. Those were the natural religious predilections and compounded traditions of our people in diverse locations stretching out from nearly the dawn of time as far as I'm concerned. The chain has been broken, but genetically-speaking we're not that different from our ancestors. There are some stuff which can be drawn from that is self-evidently true, other things which will be updated. Of course I'm talking mainly in the philosophical realm here, in the larger social realm, National Socialism itself was a new religion which strove to implement the eternal Laws of Nature in the social and political realms. You're definitely not wrong that it is our task to create "new conceptions of metaphysics native to the European mind." >I hope you realize most fascists are the exception in society. And the Iron Guard is an exception within an exception.
>>1656 >And the Iron Guard is an exception within an exception The falange, rexists, austrofascists, etc.
Yes. Well, probably no, but if you have any sort of respect as an Aryan man you would NOT worship the god of israel as your savior, whilst hating the jews.
>>1674 Literally any Aryan man born before 1950 was a Christian including everybody in based Germany. Wehrmacht soldier were still like 99% Christian, at least nominal, as can be seen by way of burial. SS may be 80%. I respect them totally.
>>1676 And the West has been on a downwaed spiral for centuries. So?
>>1676 I can forgive people back in the day to an extent. They lived in homogeneous communities and lived simple lives. They didn't have to worry about problems like active white genocide, multiculturalism and like, not to mention that it was much harder to get access to information about Christianity and its origins I assume, at least for those who were average Joes. I do not think it is totally by coincidence that in the post-WWII period pro-white politics has become more and more anti-Christian.
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My Legionnaire
>>181 Hey OP what do you think of these? Are we soldiers of Christ now? '''APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD to Catholics and all people of good will''' (red-pill on the panda flu) https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/ excerpt >We have reason to believe, on the basis of official data on the incidence of the epidemic as related to the number of deaths, that there are powers interested in creating panic among the world’s population with the sole aim of permanently imposing unacceptable forms of restriction on freedoms, of controlling people and of tracking their movements. The imposition of these illiberal measures is a disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control. >Every effort must be made to ensure that shady business interests do not influence the choices made by government leaders and international bodies. >A democratic and honest debate is the best antidote to the risk of imposing subtle forms of dictatorship, presumably worse than those our society has seen rise and fall in the recent past. >With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness. Letter to Trump by anti-globalist(?) clergy https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now excerpt >In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. >We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. >They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those who want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches. Freemasons is code for Jew in the catholic church, I hear, correct?
>>1861 >Freemasons is code for Jew in the catholic church, I hear, correct? Basically, Traditionally those two were seen as Lucifer worshipers. Reality puts them on a different light; Freemasons are useful goyim under the direct control of Jews, they are just stupid, not in the same level as Jews.
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>>1854 I'm not even Christian, but Codreanu is an absolute hero. He and his movement fought tirelessly against the Jew and the traitors in government, suffering beatings, prison sentences and multiple crackdowns, all for going to the people and helping them and fighting for their own self-preservation. On top of that Codreanu had balls, he shot a snitch on site, he killed the cop who abused his men in the middle of a courtroom and he wasn't afraid to give his life for Romania. Everyone needs to read 'For My Legionaries'. It puts Mein Kampf to shame, and I say this as a Hitler fanboy
>>1876 I read it and did a book report on it when I was still in Uni taking my last English class. It was inspiring. It also brought me a bit of despair, I'll admit reluctantly. Despair that I don't know anyone of his zeal in real life. I can't even say I myself share that zeal, ashamedly. Or maybe I do and I just don't notice it.
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>>2005 >It was inspiring. It also brought me a bit of despair, I'll admit reluctantly. No need to feel reluctant, I would not be surprised if many people shared your feelings on this matter, I know I did. It's been a while since I read it now, but to see them try to do all of these things for the peasants and to have them continuously be harassed by the kikes and government was seriously depressing and vexing to read. And then it ended on such a sudden note, only to read that Codreanu had been executed. I knew it was coming but it was one of those moments when you can only think "wow". I felt the same way about reading about a man of such character as you did. It really made me realize that everyone, myself included to a degree, has been turned into such domesticated pussies by modernity. If, no actually, when I decide to finally attempt to serve our people IRL one day, I hope to have even 100th of his ability. Concerning yourself, you never know until you're in the moment.
>>2023 If you’ll remember in the book, Codreanu boarded a train or something doing political campaigning, and he received enormous support from virtually every town he passed by, and he was surprised. It was the latent energy of the populace, everybody probably kept their sentiments hidden and finally had the chance to stand up when one man took a risk when he could take no more. I’ve always dreamed of being a leader, not necessarily just like Codreanu, but he’s a good example, so I got goosebumps when I read about his somewhat successful movement awakening the deeply held resentment everyone felt.
>>2110 The people seemed to truly love Codreanu. It's been a while now since I've read the book, but that definitely has stayed in my mind. Like every true leader, he seemed to be firmly rooted in both the blood of his people and the soil. It is sad that we never got to see him heading a Romanian government. The best we got was the Iron Guard being co-opted and destroyed by Antonescu. Even after the war there were still cells of legionaries resisting the communist takeover and the prisons were filled with legionaries. Tragic stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Gavril%C4%83_Ogoranu >awakening the deeply held resentment everyone felt. I only hope that people can be awakened today. I feel as if they know that there is something wrong, but they do not know what.
>>2114 There's a book about the communist gulags in post-Iron Guard Romania regarding the methods the reds used to break former Iron Guard members. Do you happen to know what I'm talking about? I forgot the name of the book and would like to locate it.
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>>2119 No, I am not aware of that book, unfortunately. I'm really curious about it though now that you mention it. I do have a recommendation for all fans of the Iron Guard though. This is an academic text but it's very informative and objective, I thought. It fills in a lot of gaps that one doesn't get from reading 'For My Legionaries', since, as readers will know, there's a gap of several years between the end of Codreanu's narrative and the postscript where he is assassinated where they did all sorts of things like assassinate prime ministers.
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>>2114 >>2023 >>1876 I love this passage in picture related. From the book of a Hungarian Jewish author/historian (widely published, this isn't some random guy, his name is Nicholas Nagy-Talavera). Don't mind the [citation needed] it's from "The Green Shirts and the Others: A History of Fascism in Hungary and Rumania" He so utterly embodied the spirit of his people, he was like a spirit of the land itself. Gives me chills.
>>2168 >He so utterly embodied the spirit of his people, he was like a spirit of the land itself. Gives me chills. That's exactly the vibe that he gives me, especially from that passage alone. I only hope that we will all live to see such a perfect embodiments of our respective peoples arise in our life-times. More than anything else we need true leaders.
>tfw no Codreanu gf
Are there any good books on Christian Fascism besides Codreanu?
>>1515 Convenient, lazy, and very obviously part of the Protestant heresies. Remember that Mussolini defended the Church in his day. /fascist/ should follow the Italian gentleman's model.
>>2314 >Remember that Mussolini defended the Church in his day If Mussolini was alive today he'd realize that the Church is an absolute joke. Christianity and the Church are not a static entities
>>2322 He realized how stupid it is to pick a fight with the church, specially in very religious nations >Christianity and the Church are not a static entities Which is why leading change to go for the support of Fascism is a valid plan >>2222 My conscience says this is wrong, but those digits say otherwise
what do you guys think about some of the rules of amish culture that prevent things like jews and niggers taking over? they dont beleive in banks, and besides the fact no nigger would want to live like they do, they have a strict rule where they dont marry outside their community making them a seperate race of people almost compared to other white americans. these two things are in contrast to criticisms of christian culture in regards to race.
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>>2392 They're a healthier community than the surrounding degenerate America, however they only are permitted at the whim of ZOG. They're extremely cucked when it comes to their beliefs on violence. If ZOG ever decided to pop their little they wouldn't even resist. Back in 2006 some faggot murdered five little girls in an Amish schoolhouse and the Amish cucked so hard, even attending the funeral of the man who pumped their daughters full of lead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nickel_Mines_School_shooting#Amish_community_response
>>2395 one huge positive about the Amish is their immense fertility rate paired with the tradition of having their kids go out into the 'normal' world when they turn 18 for a while and choosing whether to stay in normal society or go back to the Amish community, kind of pouring their excess Amish into the general white community and bolstering it a bit. With white liberals having essentially no children and white conservatives only reaching the replacement rate, eventually this will become a fairly significant portion of the white population, the former Amish. Though if this is really a good thing remains to be seen, it stands to reason that only the more materialistic and even hedonistic Amish decide to leave, but we can hope that at the very least they retain some sense of community and family values and bring that into society at large.
>>2392 Didn't some amish defectors say that amish people are a bit fucked up?
>>2676 Even if some have said this, there's always reason to wonder (1) why they are saying this and (2) fucked up by whose standards. Anabaptists are very collectivistic compared to our atomized society and in some ways could be seen by our standards as restrictive to individuality, choice and oppressive towards women.
My relationship with Christianity is a complicated one due to it's Hebrew origins, i do think ancient Christianity was significantly less cucked than it's modern equivalent and although i favor paganism and esotericism/the occult more i do still enjoy the christian and medieval/Gothic aesthetic, i also take a liking to the warrior culture of the Teutonic order and the knights Templar, but one thing i cannot forgive Christianity for it's involvement with the death of Rome.

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