>>18707 >But if they grow up a cripple, they can always be experimented on. Yikes. Even thought I despise liberals I have my limits man.

>>18707 Better to just abort congenital cripples. Human experimentation if you really need it would be better done on prisoners.

>>18792 >Yikes. Even thought I despise liberals I have my limits man. >Yikes You are a liberal

Imagine thinking this is bad

>>18947 Looks awesome. Was this a closed dome or windows/glass in a steelframe?

>>18974 It's from a TV show, it didn't exist.

>>19006 Man in the High Tower?

>>19006 >It's from a TV show, it didn't exist. Shame, it should. It looks just like something Albert Speer couldve dreamed up

>>19009 >>19009 It IS somthing that Speer (and Hitler) dreamed up, that is the Volkshalle that they planned to build after the war.

>>18947 This doesn't exist and has never existed, you're not making a point.

>>19051 >imagine >(you)

>>18947 >when you're reduced to showing CGI from Jewish-produced TV shows to show how based tech is

>>19111 >>Imagine Yeah something that only comes out of your mind.

>>19298 The mind is the realm of possibilities

>>19299 Sure, but it can also be incredibly stupid like thinking that building some neoclassical NS building has any benefits other than purely about aesthetic along with trying to convince that cool buildings = futurism good.

>>19301 >>19241 >cave dwellers get this unhinged by picture of technology >while they use more advanced technology to post Pure cringe

>>19315 >Star Trek

>>19318 anti-tech hasbara confirmed

>>19315 >>19320 >unironically thinking that Star Trek can be made a reality >unironically watches and enjoys this soy stain of a show made by a degenerate shitlib The absolute state of futurists/post-modernists and you call us LARPers.

Why is it that the tech debate is the most contentious of them all?

>>19345 I don't know I guess a new unchecked type of LARP from people with too much time on their hands popped up, they want to show how totally rad hardcore into symptoms they are, all despite themselves totally overusing it to post cringe ITT. >>19335 this guy even unknowingly admits it. In a way they remind me of butthurt ancap hypocrites from 4chaim back in the day whenever the NAP got brought up, bringing up this one topic is like playing a magic flute that fries their synapses.

>>19360 >new On the contrary, we have nearly 20,000 posts here and the 13th post here was the anti-tech thread. There have been anti-tech threads on every iteration of /fascist/ from 8chan onwards

Of course stopping using of tech and go living in cave is MUCH EASIER, because of "muh pacifism" and "if you kill your enemies, they win" tier moralfaggotry. But removing the jew and their golems from position of power in our society is MUCH HARDER, because it involves obligatory struggle, thus knowledge, discipline, will, and using of violence in the process.

>>19424 Why do you think that criticism of modern technology implies any sort of moralfaggotry or pacifism?

>>19337 You shouldn't call something LARP and cringe when you've been samefagging and think that Star Goys is a possibility I suggest you find something better in your life other than thinking imaginary space ships and Imperium of Mankind is ever going to be possibility. >>19424 >Of course stopping using of tech and go living in cave is MUCH EASIER, because of "muh pacifism" and "if you kill your enemies, they win" tier moralfaggotry. What the hell are you on about? No one has even implied this considering this board has been nothing, but anons inciting violence and been preaching might is right and that being ruthless towards our enemy is a must. You're the one who thinks that much tech and removing muh Jews will fix everything despite modern tech being the thing that helped Jews stay in power. I'm wondering if you're being purposely stupid.

>>19434 Bruh, you're actually retarded if you think we're going to get rid of all technology so you can larp as Conan the Barbarian.

>>19522 There's an infinitely higher probability that the entire system will collapse and regress into some sort of weird pre-industrial society built among the wreckage of the industrial society than any sort of Star Trek LARP coming true. Also no one ever said "get rid of all technology".

>Bruh Also nice nigger speak

>>19523 I don't believe in "Star Trek" or whatever, but it's equally unlikely thousands of years of technological advancement are going to just magically disappear even in the event of total system collapse. You're never going to live in Skyrim, friend. Even in the case that it did, eventually technology would advance enough in some societies, that any society that didn't embrace technological change would be out-competed by those that did, as happened historically. >>19524 Niggers are naturally pure beings, who lived in harmony with nature until the evil White man and his medicine, and factories came and forced him to become goys for technological, industrial, capitalism. Why shouldn't I talk like a nigger when their lifestyle is the ideal way to live?

>>19528 >it's equally unlikely thousands of years of technological advancement are going to just magically disappear even in the event of total system collapse. This was already pre-emptively addressed in the the very post you are replying to when I referred to a "weird pre-industrial society built among the wreckage of the industrial society". It will never magically disappear, in fact the planet will show signs of what has happened in modern times for millennia to come. Progression of technology is not linear either. Civilizations rise and fall, and with them so do forms of technology, especially when we are talking about complex, organization-dependent forms of technology, which is what most people here are calling attention to and criticizing. >Even in the case that it did, eventually technology would advance enough in some societies, that any society that didn't embrace technological change would be out-competed by those that did, as happened historically. I do not deny this either. Selection favored those societies which, in the short term, were able more-rigorously organize and collectivize themselves. This is what happened with Europeans against almost every other group of humans on the planet. However, what is effective in the short-term may be self-defeating in the long-term, as our current system most certainly is. Kaczynski addresses this: >suppose a forested region is occupied by a number of small, rival kingdoms. Those kingdoms that clear the most land for agricultural use can plant more crops and therefore can support a larger population than other kingdoms. This gives them a military advantage over their rivals. If any kingdom restrains itself from excessive forest-clearance out of concern for the long-term consequences, then that kingdom places itself at a military disadvantage and is eliminated by the more powerful kingdoms. Thus the region comes to be dominated by kingdoms that cut down their forests reckles sly. The resulting deforestation leads eventually to ecological disaster and therefore to the collapse of all the kingdoms. Here a trait that is advantageous or even indispensable for a kingdom's short-term survival-recklessness in cutting trees-leads in the long term to the demise of the same kingdom >This example illustrates the fact that, where a self-prop system exer­cises foresight, in the sense that concern for its own long-term survival and propagation leads it to place limitations on its efforts for short-term survival and propagation, the system puts itself at a competitive disadvantage relative to those self-prop systems that pursue short-term survival and propagation without restraint. And this is exactly what we see today.

this will sound cliche, but technology is a two-edged sword. it's not inherently bad, what matters is how it's used, it can be creative or destructive. some of the best sci-fi I've ever read is the Dune novels, which tell a complex story about charismatic leadership, politics, economics, ecology, and long-term human survival. in the books, humans fill the role of machines with specialized training, eg mentats work as human computers (Frank Herbert was writing in the 60s/70s/80s, before the computer/internet revolution really took off, I wonder if he would've handled it differently if he wrote them later, but I digress). anyway, in the backstory of the books, there was a time long ago when the fictional society became decadent and dependent on machines/computers; this led to the Butlerian Jihad, a violent upheaval to overthrow dependence on machines. this is referred to throughout the books, and there's a notable quote from God Emperor on this: >"The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines," Leto said. "Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed." the decadent society was over-reliant on machines, to the point that human ability slowly atrophied; this also led to us using each other as machines to be manipulated. all this should sound quite familiar. when used correctly, technology augments us, helps us survive and defend ourselves, and saves tedious labor. however, technology can also be a cancer. >>19523 I've thought of this possibility. if society collapses, technology won't disappear, but large-scale institutions will. that strange new world would be like the early modern period mixed with current tech. we'd use sailing ships and laptops, with limited electric power.

>>18711 Then by all means, explain what you intend to treat leukemia and people who need heart transplants with. And please don't say herbs and meditation. >>18717 I understand where you're coming from, but I think it's pretty obvious Cameron didn't intend for that to be the theme. The Na'vi were intended to be indians and the humans were intended to be Colonial Settlers or pilgrims. Jake *literally* betrays his race and sleeps with a nonhuman (meant to be a nonWhite). Maybe there are some positive themes but I wouldn't call it based.

>>19880 I guess it would depend on how much one values the intentions of the author. I definitely don't think it was created with this sort of interpretation in mind.

>>19522 >Bruh, you're actually retarded if you think we're going to get rid of all technology so you can larp as Conan the Barbarian. LMAO

>>19880 Then by all means tell me more about the great lie that we need tech to solve all problems. I'm starting to think the reason for futurism is because you retards know you would fail to survive in the wilderness due to being cheeto dust licking losers.

>>19522 >Bruh The fact you're talking like a negro is further evidence that you're a normalfag and that only niggers support futurism. You're retarded to think that Star Trek, Star Wars, and Warhammer 40k LARP are going to lead into some great utopia. You faggots still haven't made a single argument that that isn't shit and actually makes a lick of sense. You only go back to refer to stupid shit that you think that can only be solved with technology and cry about muh weaklings just like the average shit-libs would do. It's official that futurism is a CIA nigger plot.

>>19360 >I don't know I guess a new unchecked type of LARP from people with too much time on their hands popped up People like you are so new it isn't funny. Anti-tech threads have existed even before the 2016 election ever began. There is no LARP this your Gen Z brain not able to properly function and comprehend why there would anons who oppose your retarded beliefs. Fags like you should just admit that you enjoy the short-term pleasures of technology and don't want to give it away. How foolish do you have to be to ever think tech has ever done anything to improve lives when history itself completely disagrees with viewpoint. Also don't go around calling something a LARP when you want a Star Trek future, a show created by a degenerate humanist liberal lol. >>19522 Listen nigger, you're actually retarded thinking that there is any form of redeemable society left from using technology. We have already gone this far into a nihilistic world that is literally killing modern men, because of tech. Retards like you don't realize that even if a non-tech world is unrealistic, which is something we aren't advocating for, it sounds more sane and anti-cuckold than trying to splice an animal's DNA into humans just to create a so-called Ubermensch or thinking that an android wife is a healthy approach to eliminating depression. >>19528 >I don't believe in "Star Trek" or whatever, Yeah you do otherwise a futuristic LARP wouldn't even exist in the minds of faggots. You retards believe that tech must be a dependancy or really want the false pleasures of tech to accelerated aka a Star Trek/ Warhammer LARP. > but it's equally unlikely thousands of years of technological advancement are going to just magically disappear even in the event of total system collapse. Lol such a brainlet, under a total system collapse most technology will become unusable or even useless under a world where tech is of less importance. There would be no reason to surf the internet when society has gone to shit. > You're never going to live in Skyrim, friend And you're never going to achieve Lol the Warhammer LARP Marines nigger shouldn't talk about LARPing with his niggerists buddies. You're better off dreaming and playing video games to cope with your hopes into a future that will lead into what most of you unironically believe. Technophiles before and now are trying to control us through the usage of machines and tried to control our very our minds by alternating our own DNA. Deus EX is the most likely future under a tech world. Cope about how it would be totally different if (You) were stirring the wheel, when you aren't doing shit. >eventually technology would advance enough in some societies, that any society that didn't embrace technological change would be out-competed by those that did, as happened historically. What makes you think that is a good thing considering what is happening now and has happened hundred times over and over again? >Niggers are naturally pure beings, who lived in harmony with nature until the evil White man and his medicine, and factories came and forced him to become goys for technological, industrial, capitalism >Strawman the post I'm going to take this statement as something you unironically view since you enjoy speaking like a modern subhuman. No one argued this, learn to not show butthurt while coposting. >this will sound cliche, but technology is a two-edged sword. it's not inherently bad, what matters is how it's used, it can be creative or destructive. Over the course of a thousand years has debunked that no matter how you use it, it will eventually fuck everything over. The Agriculture revolution and its technology had to be implemented to brought to its full efficiency. Tech is only a double edge sword when it doesn't need to be applied to most or all of society to work at its max potential otherwise it leads to what is today.

>>19880 >And please don't say herbs and meditation. Yes, only the pharmajew and mechanistic medicine can save you

>>19880 >Then by all means, explain what you intend to treat leukemia and people who need heart transplants with. And please don't say herbs and meditation. Why can't you morons ever not speak in a way that makes futurism not sound like national liberalism instead of fascism? If herbs and meditation can't help your issues, then congrats you're an undesirable. I don't think you realize you're sounding like a Christian, with wanting to save people who don't even need to be in our society and allowed to reproduce. The usual reasons needing things like heart transplants comes from genetic diseases or being irresponsible, which are also two weaknesses we seek to eliminate. What you're advocating is putting a band-aid over the issue instead of actually eliminating the problem by selectable breeding and creating a society where people are generally all-round healthy.

>>19880 if I needed a heart transplant would I get one? Fuck no, I would not fuck these people, let them die

>>19939 Based.

>>19939 What's also dumb is that they are using the worst examples and arguments on why tech should be used and view that Kaczinsky and Linkola are wrong just to excuse their bullshit. You retards see that tech is necessary, I don't see it necessary, but simply want it to create a future where we can possibly create tech that prevents environmental damage and unironically create a Warhammer 40k world. This may sound like LARPy like my WH40k idea, but Tribal-Archeo-futurism is the path I wanna go down towards.

>>20009 The problem with Archeofuturism is that it includes kikery like transhumanism and makes it inevitable that the population will be peons utterly enslaved to techno-overlords and not just weaker than them, but utterly powerles cattle

>>20023 Archeo-futurism only works when you limit technology's advancement and usage to a minimum. The state will have to not and never be ruled by technophiles, but instead an aristocratic/fascist governance that is concerned with protecting and improving our blood without the transhumanists shit. Things like the internet should not be used by the general public as entertainment and escapism, but education, calculation and communication. Otherwise Archeo-futurism is just a technophila, but with a dash of reactionary principles. I've always wondered if futurism was a defeatist idealology.

>>19982 ooo edgy.

>>19933 >Listen nigger, you're actually retarded thinking that there is any form of redeemable society left from using technology. And you're actually retarded if you think a system collapse, and subsequent return to a pre-technogical society is actually going change anything for the bette, in the long term. You look at the symptoms of our degenerate society, and instead of looking at the root causes of our failings, our own moral failings as a people; you blame the literal tools that we use as the source of all degeneracy. That kind of cuck mentality, that's its "not my fault, the tools made me into a degenerate" is only going to lead to further degeneracy into the future. Own up to the fact that it's not the tv, or the video games, making you into a degenerate. Instead it's your own lack of willpower. >Retards like you don't realize that even if a non-tech world is unrealistic, which is something we aren't advocating for Than what exactly or you advocating for? You seem to support the idea that we can just get rid of the system, and then technology will just go away, and all the problem facing modern men will just disappear. Am I wrong? Are you not advocating for a return to a hunter gatherer type of society? Do you just want to strip consumer tech from the plebs "iphones, video games, tvs, cars," in order to stop them from pursuing self destructive behaviors/further destroying the environment? Because that I can understand. Explain to me your ideal society. >it sounds more sane and anti-cuckold than trying to splice an animal's DNA into humans just to create a so-called Ubermensch or thinking that an android wife is a healthy approach to eliminating depression I agree, no one who's a fascist advocates for doing those things. I would prefer living as a hunter-gatherer than as some bugman larping that a robot is his partner. Once again no one wants this. >Yeah you do otherwise a futuristic LARP wouldn't even exist in the minds of faggots. There's one sperg in this thread posting warhammer and star trek memes, I haven't been. >Lol such a brainlet, under a total system collapse most technology will become unusable or even useless under a world where tech is of less importance. Really? Yeah sure. pointless consumer products are unlikely to survive. But do you really think the building blocks of modern technologically society, agriculture, metallurgy, electricity, engines, or going to disappear? That we're going to live as we did twenty thousand years ago? >There would be no reason to surf the internet when society has gone to shit. No shit, who cares about the internet? Is anti tech just anti consumer electronics? >You retards believe that tech must be a dependancy Or how about that we don't advocate for stalling our people's conquest of the world, out of some retarded hatred of civilization? >or really want the false pleasures of tech to accelerated aka a Star Trek/ Warhammer LARP. We should get rid, or at least severely discourage the use of the "false pleasures of tech" pornography, video games, ect. Just as we do with any other degenerate habits, such as the use of alcohol, nicotine, or other drugs, overeating, or promiscuity. It's funny that you brought up Warhammer larping as "pleasure seeking behavior" which while cringey, is the exact opposite. Since the Warhammer universe promises nothing but endless struggle, oppression, war, and bloodshed. >Technophiles before and now are trying to control us through the usage of machines Once again machines are tools, and can be used for both good, and bad goals. The plebs should be controlled, in order to direct them into positive pursuits. I don't support the current system's use of those tools, any more than I do the system being used to crush a fascist party; even though under a fascist system I would support the system being used to crush our enemies. >our very our minds by alternating our own DNA. Like how natural processes control our minds by altering our DNA? Or eugenicists? Are you a shitlb? Is eugenics "evil" now because it infringes on "muh freedumbs"? Or you arguing against something that no one here is advocating for? >Cope about how it would be totally different if (You) were stirring the wheel, when you aren't doing shit. You sound like an ancap "Why you believe in a state? Don't you know that the state is currently doing "insert bad thing here" What? You don't support that!? lol dumb cuck, you'll never control the state. The only alternative is my autistic anarchist dream land!" Now just replace the state with "technology" Both you and ancaps miss the point entirely, both tech, and the state are tools, that can be used for both good, or ill. And you have no grounds to act all superior you faggot; all I see is some larping queer on the internet. Let me know when you bring down the system.

>>19933 >What makes you think that is a good thing considering what is happening now and has happened hundred times over and over again? It's not a good thing, anymore than war is a good thing. it's simply a natural part of being Aryan humans. War will always exist, and putting your fingers in your ears and crying about how it's "not fair" isn't going to change anything. Technology, much like war, will always exist, as long as we exist anyway. Civilizations will continuously rise and fall, have great golden ages, and periods of degeneracy and collapse. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just the way things are. And you can't change it, without fundamentally altering our genetics anyway. >I'm going to take this statement as something you unironically view since you enjoy speaking like a modern subhuman. No one argued this, learn to not show butthurt while coposting. Explain to me why you don't agree with that statement. >Over the course of a thousand years has debunked that no matter how you use it, it will eventually fuck everything over No, not really. We're in collapse mode right now due to our own moral failings, yet there's been plenty of technological civilizations which were perfectly fine. The Spartans, Romans, Vikings, Prussians, National Socialist Germans, ect throughout history. >Over the course of a thousand years has debunked that no matter how you use it, it will eventually fuck everything over. The Agriculture revolution and its technology had to be implemented to brought to its full efficiency. Tech is only a double edge sword when it doesn't need to be applied to most or all of society to work at its max potential otherwise it leads to what is today. I don't believe we're inherently unable to work past our own vices, and can't break through the negatives that technology holds. I think we can. I don't hold a deterministic viewpoint, like some marxist, that anything about society is inevitable due to the tools, or economic system it uses. It's the test of free will, pic related.

>>20107 It is the tools, and our own moral failings.

>>20107 >and you're actually retarded if you think a system collapse, and subsequent return to a pre-technogical society is actually going change anything for the bette, in the long term. >N-no you! You're such a numbskull that I'm convinced I'm talking to a nigger or some form of self-hating mulatto. Technology is either limit towards certain professions and jobs and requires those who are knowledgeable enough to handle those professions. Tech like the internet without four-eyed nerds to maintain networks, electricity, etc are fucking useless. The same also goes for factories and industrial agriculture as well, which wouldn't be used and replaced by basic agriculture. Morons like you don't need to understand a single thing grasped that they are saying and maybe that's because you are purposely ignorant to cope and pretend that technology hasn't done anything other than make faggot retards like you breathe. >You look at the symptoms of our degenerate society, and instead of looking at the root causes of our failings, our own moral failings as a people And you retardely pretend that it totally isn't the internet and other things like the printing press, medicine, etc had no contribution in allowing degeneracy to breed. Tell me in your next unhinged post how the Internet did not spread degeneracy or how the agricultural revolution did not change human behavior into something liberal and alternated our DNA and allowed low IQ shit-skins and mongrels to reproduce at high rates? >you blame the literal tools that we use as the source of all degeneracy I never said or implied, you're once again proving my point that technology is truly a mistake of allowing you breathe. But at the same time, you cannot deny that tools totally didn't change human behavior. >That kind of cuck mentality >It's cuckoldry to know that these past hundred years that tools that have made things easier for humanity have made us weaker and more degenerate >It's cuckoldry to know that the printing-press created more civil unrest and lead to mass literacy which lead to when more unrest and made 80 IQs think that they're smart >It's cuckoldry to know that for these past years tech has evolved from the success of Jews and technophiles, because it helps them the most for the sake of their survival/struggle Look up the word cuck and come back and learn why you're a fucking dumbass when you're the retard trying to excuse modern sciences and thinking it would benefit fascism like a loboimite. >Than what exactly or you advocating for? You seem to support the idea that we can just get rid of the system, and then technology will just go away If you mean magically disappear, then obviously I mean nothing like this, but indeed tech would cease to be apart of our daily lives if our system collapse because as said above without the system tech serves no purpose outside of filling the pockets of Jews. Come on nigger try not be vague and a retarded faggot and explain to me how a low IQ nigger or a normalfag is going to continue using the internet or working a facrory job when the system are the ones leading and providing it in the first place. >Or how about that we don't advocate for stalling our people's conquest of the world, out of some retarded hatred of civilization? LOL, what conquest numbskull? You don't need tech to conquer people. I'm sick of you dumbasses thinking that tech helped Whites conquer the world when it only lead to further decadence. Whites have conquered since we were Hunter-gathers and the Vietcongs defeated a White army mixed with mongrels and niggers despite the constant bombings. We don't need tech we need spirits and the Jihadist mindset to win. >Once again machines are tools, and can be used for both good, and bad goals Tell me about the good goals of nuclear weapons and industrial factories. Technology has only ever been used for used for short-terms pleasure and selfish or desperate gains. When machines can be used to repair what has been damaged, then maybe you'll have a point. You sound like an ancap "Why you believe in a state? Don't you know that the state is currently doing "insert bad thing here" Yeah I have no mindset in common with ancaps, so nice leap of logic there along with mental gymnastics. Ancucks are like you with the love of technology and hopes that it will make them better, except they hate the idea of state and sociality. Ancaps have no good arguments nor reasons to hate goberments outside of being selfish and paranoid hacks. Also your pic can be easily edited to easy tech makes easy times, easy times create weak men.