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QTDDTOT Anonymous 06/20/2020 (Sat) 19:53:11 No.85
Obviously people will have questions, so we should have answers for them. Can someone quickly summarize the main points of le Trashman's book on why God isn't real?
I don't want to sound rude but are they still valid and/or points of any importance? He seems to have backtracked and became religious later on
>>85 >Obviously people will have questions, so we should have answers for them. IMO there is one primary burning question regarding the Christian faith in the minds of typical unbelievers and skeptics. We have this book (the Bible) that seems to be written as a historical document and is making certain scientific and historical claims. For example, when a skeptic asks a minister "How old do you think the universe is?" and he replies "I don't know", or "that's not really important" then he's lost all credibility and has also basically lost any imperative related to evangelism of that individual. There are answers to both the scientific and historical questions of the modern skeptic, that don't require us as Christians to compromise on either our faith or on the Biblical message of sin, repentance, and salvation. The simple fact is that most Christians are (willfully or not) ignorant of these truths and so miss what I consider to be the single best opportunity for evangelism today. le Ebin Trashman maymay is basically irrelevant to this issue. If someone is absolutely dedicated to an Anti-Christian agenda then you'd likely be better spending time discussing Christianity with someone who at least acknowledges the possibility that it's the truth.
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Everything feels like it's falling apart and I'm pretty sure my country's going to start exterminating me and my people in the next few decades, is there any reason to have hope for this world? Are these the end times? Never thought I'd ever say it but I'm terrified at the future now. I wanted to help humanity explore the stars but I don't even know if it'll make it through the next few years without turning into a nightmare.
Do you think hell is to create more demons for Lucifer's army? Think about it, you would have to get used to eternal suffering eventually, the physical and emotional pain/torture can only go so high that any higher would feel the same. It would toughen you up, make you stronger, more resilient, you would be twisted into the perfect weapon, a soldier that would make even the Spartans jealous. Is there any being more dangerous than one that fears and feels nothing? Unless they just wipe your memory every now and then but would that not defeat the purpose of experiencing eternity?
>>92 Hell isn't to 'create' anything. It's to lock Satan and his band of fallen angels up forever. Sadly, as huge portion of humanity will also go there due to rejecting the free offer of eternal life with God the Heavenly Father. They choose Satan as their father instead, so they must go into hell with him ofc. BTW, there are no exits in hell Anon.
How could a nigger that tells me to get on my knees & worship the god of the Hebrews be anything but my enemy?
>>94 The Jews didn't die for you, but Jesus did. The Hebrews don't offer you a path of eternal life Anon, but Jesus does. The choice, as always with God, is yours.
>>85 with the 8chan shutdown the /christian/ moved to several places but many of them disappeared. Does anyone know where the new place of /christian/ is? Here it seems a bit quiet...
>>95 Jesus is a Jew. Jewishness is racial and ethnic. Stop worshiping a rabbi nailed to a stick
>>99 Jesus is first and foremost the Son of God, and then the Son of Man. And quite frankly, He had little positive to say about the Rabbinical Jews. So much so they had Him killed in their rage. Which part of this is the hard one for you to figure out Anon? >Stop worshiping a rabbi nailed to a stick Kek. He's not on that 'stick' any longer friend. You have one path possible to you for eternal life. Jesus is His name. I hope you can find that door while you have the chance.
>>103 >Son of God Blasphemy.
>>103 Again you fail to realize that Rabbinical Jews are just another kind of Jew. Christians seem incapable of realizing that “Jew” refers to race / ethnicity. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew, Jesus is a Jew. Judaic behavior flows from their inner natures, not their religion. Jesus was a slave-moralizing Son of a Whore. Spiritual equality, slave morality, a belief in Semitic tales. I truly feel sorry for you
>>106 >Jesus is a Jew Nazarene to be fair
Is this where all the good 8/christian/ users went? I know there was a discord but I didn't go on it because its discord. >>106 >Christians seem incapable of realizing that “Jew” refers to race / ethnicity. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew, Jesus is a Jew. Judaic behavior flows from their inner natures, not their religion. This is one of the minor reasons why I'm hesitant to join a church tbh. The main reason being that the least retarded option, Catholicism, has the pope. I'm sure everyone here understands why I don't like him at all and why it really makes me question the religion.
>>106 >all people living in historical Palestine/Canaan are jews nope, plenty of others there, too. >>109 >least retarded option as for the whole package today probably Eastern/Russian orthodox
>>110 They're racially Semitic. Try again.
>>111 wasted trips, descendants of Philistians or Phoenicians were certainly not semitic and there were even some isolated Greek pagan enclaves left, that's just those I know from the top of my head
>>92 Its going to be full of National Socialists building a giant wall to keep out refugees from heaven whom realized they have to spend an eternity with niggers
>>112 >Phoenicians >not Semitic Whatever helps you sleep at night, Jew
>>111 and
>>114 Nice ignoring the indisputable facts while concentrating on the one in question. But Phoenicians being semitic is far from proven. They migrated to the Levant like the Philistians, this is a fact, there's just some discussion as to how much they merged with the semitic local populace in the process because they adopted the natives semitic language. This is no proof however since we have almost no trace of original Philistine culture and language but it is certain that they are a distinct ethnicity or rather many, though mostly Greek probably. Jews are trying to erase history by claiming everyone and everything as their own and you're playing their game. Good goy, well done.
>>115 Do you really need to know what the point is? Christians adhere to a racially foreign and false religion which undermines their ability to survive and flourish against a subversive enemy and legions of mudmen.
>>118 Enjoy wasting your life for a slave-cult
>>119 Enjoy wasting your life in cultish fear of jews.
>>117 >Christians adhere to a racially foreign and false religion which undermines their ability to survive well, you have a point here but most people were conquered while they still adhered to their own original religions. Yet paganism was so weak spiritually that the wide majority of people embraced it voluntarily. Both successful Viking invasions of England for example ended with the winning side (sic) giving up on their old ways eventually. This wasn't just a fluke in history, it was always the same.
>>85 so the old testament says don't murder, that's kinda one of the big things everybody knows, but then one of the first things the Israelites do once Moses is out of the way is siege Jericho, knock down the walls and murder every man, woman, child, and animal inside. So how does that work?
>>122 The basic error you're making is conflating killing with murder. Death =/= murder. They did as they were specifically directed by the Lord. Given the larger context, it was plainly to protect the children of Israel from the idolatry of the surrounding nations. They would certainly have led Israel into evil if any had been left alive. And the punishment wasn't limited to just the foreign nations either. When Aiken coveted and took artifacts from Jericho for example, which was forbidden, the Lord then commanded that he and his sons and his daughters, etc, be destroyed as well. The lesson was learned and the victories returned again for the warriors once they had removed the offensive man and his family. The context for 'how that works' is in the books of Deuteronomy & Joshua, if you'd care to read it for yourself.
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>>117 >>119 Just because it's Jewish doesn't mean it's false, the theory or relativity comes from a Jewish guy and it's still correct.
>>129 Didn’t Einstein steal the idea from someone else? Regardless your point’s correct. There’s a large amount of Jews currently trying to wipe out Europe but that doesn’t mean every action of every Jew was oriented toward that act, unless the stoplight was made to kill Anglos or something. >>119 >cuckchan memes >>117 Is that really the case though? We’ve survived so long with it that there’s not much correlation between it and the fall of the West (unless you’re talking about the Romans and they were doomed by overextension anyway so putting blame there is silly). Frankly I’m not sure how you expect a different religion to fare better, given that it was Christianity that conquered paganism. If it’s as weak as you say how could pagans stand to something you see as stronger?
Alright, this is a very basic question, but how can I even know which version of the bible to read? I'm tired of the memes, I want to learn from the primary source, but I feel there's a lot of things I won't get at first and if I choose a bad version it will be even worse.
>>137 >I'm tired of the memes, I want to learn from the primary source Filthy crossboarder here, the primary source was not written in English. I think the two testaments were written in some forms of Hebrew and Greek. If translations count as primary, I'm sure wikipedia or similar will have some discussions of the translations and their accuracies.
>>137 NKJV if you're not a brainlet > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. NIV or ESV if you find olde english hard to read >For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. >For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. I have NLT and it's ok, but the language gets too dumbed down for me, but I like it since it's broken up into sections that get you through it in a year. >For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. But under no circumstances should you ever read The Message, it's borderline heresy in how it simplifies everything. >This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life. God didn’t go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again. Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person’s failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him. I think I threw up a little reading that
>>141 Why NKJV? Why not the original KJV?
>>142 I think from what I remember it had a lot of translation issues, not sure though
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>>106 Nietzsche loved the Jews, and you are repeating Jewish myths (son of a whore) about Jesus. >>91 Read Spengler. While annoyingly pseudo-metaphysical and often questionable in his claims, his basic structure of history should help you, though perhaps not if you're simply too ignorant; see the second image, though please do ignore the usage of the left-right dichotomy and "red pill" (the "real" "red pill" is thinking for yourself for once instead of following a group).
>>91 >>148 *That is, you read like stage 1.
>>148 >Nietzsche loved the Jews Confirmed for never reading Nietzsche. Imagine letting (((Kaufmann))) subvert your interpretation
>>150 Don't know who that is but Nietzsche criticized early Jews as slaves but loved the Jews' later success; he saw anti-Semitism as an attack from envious slave-moralists e.g. Christians.
I wish the BO would actually do his job.
>>148 I see what you mean by your comment on the second image, e.g. "radical right".
>>106 Why do you jerk off Hitler if you love Nietzsche? The guy fucking lost. He was weak to the "ZOG", to the "mutt" Americans and "subhuman" slavs. In a millennium educated people will look at your "saint" like they look at Hannibal Barca—a fucking footnote. Meanwhile I see more Christian iconography on European culture than Wotan. European art for the past millennium has been focused on a single Father and His Son, not a Pantheon of idols. But I guess Christianity isn't "European", in which case I would have to ask—what is? We see Aryans in Asia, and their cultures are so different, so surely there is more to Europe than simply blood?
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Couple questions that have bothered me lately >Regarding ancient civilizations that were not in the ANE such as native Americans, Africans, Mongolians, etc., how could they have known about God? And if they didn't/couldn't know about Him, are they in heaven or hell? >Did Israelites before Jesus really have free will? Whenever they worshiped foreign gods, God would be quick to kick them in the dick by allowing them to be conquered by other peoples. Or is the idea of free will only present after Christ's sacrifice?
>>159 >And if they didn't/couldn't know about Him, are they in heaven or hell? Hellfire.
>>160 >this is the Christian idea of justice Don't Christians also believe that babies who die go to hell because they don't know about Jesus? Whack.
>>161 Not exactly, unbaptised babies go to limbo as they never committed sins. Limbo being part of hell was something Dante depicted, but to my knowledge they're separate. It is a sad lot but hardly hellfire. Also to earlier first post, there's a lot of conflicting beliefs as to what happens to the other peoples and nations. Christ died for our sins that we may eventually be redeemed, and its not as if those who call themselves Christian are free of sin. If you're looking for more info on it I'd advise reading C. S. Lewis. His essays are well-regarded and it'd be better than me butchering his explanations
>>162 where is limbo/purgatory mentioned in the bible? why should we hold the deuterocanonical books to the same level as the canonical ones?
>>85 Righteous anger versus "righteous anger". Both are responses to sin, but the difference is that one can cause the man to commit murder impulsively from anger, and this is also felt by unrighteous men. The former is anger but it is felt by righteous men. The difference seems to be pathos influencing logos versus logos influencing pathos, the latter of which being the good anger. Are there any writings in the Bible or pre-Enlightenment Christian fathers on these differences? I've felt both.
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>>94 >>99 >>106 >>111 >>114 >>117 >>119 >>150 go back to /fascist/ larpagan, you have no power here. plus your board literally has 2 confirmed trannies and one confirmed homo. Kek
>>173 lmao
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I've been reading through the Bible since the start of the year, right now I'm at Ezekiel and the majority of the old testament comes off more to me as "crazy stories written by old jewish scribe about how they're the best people ever created" rather than the kind and merciful God I was brought up with. He seems to be anything but that in the OT >killing Aaron's son for using the wrong incense >forcibly circumcising the enemies of Israel (even though in those days it would've been just the tip, this is still oddly specific and difficult to believe not because God is all-powerful, but because of how outlandish it is >Samson slaying thousands with a jawbone >God instructing Ezekiel to lay on his side for half a year and cooking his food over human shit (which God then changes to cow shit after Ezekiel complains?) these events at the very least seem altered by scribes to make God seem even more powerful, but in the process it just makes him sound ridiculous >Israelites not having free will (worship me or I'll destroy your nation) the only plausible way I can see this is that they were going into turbo overdrive telling God to fuck off, and he did give them decades of warnings beforehand that they would be destroyed, but why can't their punishment wait until after their death, when they are facing judgement before God himself?
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>>183 This is the sort of information that makes me doubt about a lawful good christian god. Doesn't help that the more I study about judaism and abrahamic religions the more I'm inclined to believe that their god (specially judaism and islam) is actually satan himself. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to start shit. Just wondering how christfags cope with that fact. I know little, yet I'm not willing to follow a religion unless I know everything about it. Doubt its the only thing keeping me away from jesus christ and the church. Serious question, how likely is it that kikes actually worship satan while christians worship a true, just and lawful god?
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>>184 that doesn't help with my questions
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>>185 >Serious question, how likely is it that kikes actually worship satan while christians worship a true, just and lawful god? first of all watch vid related, judaism today is nothing like judaism pre-Christ. after Jerusalem fell to Rome the talmud came into play and the new jewish leaders started all these rules that make up nu-judaism today (circumcision of the entire foreskin so jews can't fake it anymore, distinction between goyim and God's chosen people, etc.) as for Christians, it is the same God, except that God rejects the jews since they don't believe Christ is the savior (primarily because all the OT pointed at a strong and ruthless leader that would have God's chosen people rule the world, and instead they got a humble pacifist that said everyone can become part of God's kingdom if they only believe. this explains why the pharisees were so asshurt over him). Most Christians I've met rarely quote from the OT except for when it points to Christ, and I would bet most of them haven't even read the Bible in its entirety. it's all so tiresome
>>184 >Unironically posting (((rationalwiki))) Wow
>>185 >how likely is it that kikes actually worship satan while christians worship a true, just and lawful god? Jesus, after all, introduced Himself and His concept as "you have been fucking up the texts for long enough and worshiping wicked entities, let me show you the way" One original way i've heard from christians to cope (or maybe actually trying to be decent) after reading all these OT stories is that Jesus wasn't actually following the majority of them, hence why jews got mad, he only taught the benign ones and when asked about how to counter romans and other bad guys he spoke with stories or thinly-veiled tactics like using their own context, customs, so on and so on against them, which are taken very explicitly and not understood right ("turn the other cheek") The problem comes that when they saw such things, when confronted that they worship Jesus and not God they say either they are the same (even when the book mentions Them talking to each other, aka Trinitarian vs Unitarian) or spaz. It's a contrived way of thinking some of them have, but in reality i can understand, the texts have been butchered to hell and back and every time some old texts appear the jews/Smithsonian/"bad archeological accidents" happen. And the oldest christian ways of doing things practically mention either le demiurge or something that needs translation and we cannot actually comprehend without a God figure in human form.
>>189 it's been explained several times and others can do it better than I can, but the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of one essence and three unified yet distinct beings which compromise God. the best example I can think of is that you have a sphere that is simultaneously colored red, blue, and green. not "three parts of it are separate colors", I mean that they're all three colors at the same time, yet they are not fighting or in conflict with each other.
Is there an online resource that will teach me the fundamentals of Eastern Orthodoxy?
>>194 sucking cock
>>186 abrahamic filth
>>173 >mass posting >Writes others as larpers >posts that pic Cringe
>>212 >atheists rebranding as pagans because they can’t justify a lack of religion while trying to bring back vague “beliefs” that were more about tradition than actual faith If you put in as much effort into “saving the white race” as you put into shitting up this board maybe your ideology wouldn’t be so impotent.
>>183 The problem with every translation of the Bible is that you have to come at it with a *huge* amount of background for a lot of the things in it, specifically in the Old Testament. I'm not familiar with the bit about Aaron's son. Forcibly circumcising is probably because circumcision was a symbol of the Covenant God made between Himself and Abraham. It's more of a symbolic thing and a way to set apart those who followed him; and a way to do the same to those who were absorbed or joined the Israelites. Samson and the Judges were generally operating in a lawless time. The enemies of Israel did very terrible things, and waged war on them, and the Judges like Samson essentially served as guides to the people, and frontline generals or empowered warriors to break the back of their oppressors. Same as with Gideon (except Samson's fall is more obvious to see). Ezekiel's trials and that of the other prophets were intended to be a visual sign to Israel; by the time they had come around the nation was well into its later years, they'd adopted kings and were progressively abandoning the Covenant that had first set them apart. All the crazy things they did were to try to prove a point to the rest of the Israelites; "Stop and turn back, do not continue down this path". A lot of stuff in the OT (like "destroy them utterly") were apocryphal/statements the Jewish people culturally used. "Destroy utterly and give over to God" typically meant to wipe out the culture and gods of the other nations who were attacking Israel, so the Israelites wouldn't become pagans.
>>183 Cont'd. One thing to remember is that while God meets people where they are, and meeting the Jews is a lot different than how He meets people today (for the most part). The part about the Israelites not having free will is complicated; their entire nation existed because He had led them out of slavery, and established them as a nation as part of his promise to Abraham. The Israel nation was supposed to be a kingdom of priests, special among the nations because they were (for their time) a much better example and far less heinous than the paganist nations around them. When the Israelites first asked for a king, it was against the covenant because God was supposed to take that role. But He allowed a king, with strict regulations (such as them not having a standing army or hoarding wealth, or abusing the populace). Every king, even the better ones of Israel, broke these rules. When the Israelites embraced their earthly kings and abandoned God, He didn't destroy them, He simply stopped shielding them as He had before. The nation of Israel under God was a holy kingdom of priests who would spread His word and be unique among the nations. But without the covenant....they were just an average Ancient East empire. One that was prone to being conquered like any of their neighbors. A lot of the OT stuff about "Sending Assyria or X nation to nuke Israel" both; A. Came as a warning if they turned away and embraced the worldly and cruel nature of their neighbor kingdoms. B. Was given well in advance of any such events occurring, by numerous prophets, to provide the maximum time for the people to turn back. C. Was less of a "God moves Assyria to B2 to checkmate Israel" than God lifting the sovereign protection He'd given them, as they voluntarily stopped being His people. D. Came on the backs of the Israelites doing some pretty bad things themselves, abandoning and exploiting the poor, providing child sacrifices, letting injustice and perversity reign, etc.
>>183 Leviticus 10:1–2 shares this sobering account, stating, “Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the LORD, contrary to his command. So fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD.” You mentioned Aaron's son before. One thing specifically to note about the OT is the way God interacts with the people of Israel. In the OT, God's interaction with the Israelites , or one of the ways He interacted, was through the Ark and the Temple. We don't have a modern day equivalent to that (praying and being in the presence of God isn't quite the same deal as the Ark). When people in the OT, whether it be Aaron's son, Uzziah, or the Caananites, disrespect the Altar of God, they not only interact with the presence of God on earth, they do so in a way that spits in His face in a way that doesn't really correlate to a 21st century mindset. They're not just dishonoring him, they were doing so in a way they ought to know not to. It would be like an astronaut studying the sun from a ship, flying too close because he's scornful of the idea that it might hurt him. R/atheism or any amount of pagans nowadays who might mock or disrespect God or the idea of God, have absolutely nothing on this. It's simply a matter of interacting wrongly with a manifestation of the presence of God that had fatal consequences. We can't interact with the pure Presence as mortal humans; because of Jesus we're saved but until we're transfigured at the end we still would need His direct protection not to burn up, if we got to stand in a direct manifestation of the same magnitude as the Ark.
>>183 Aside from the text walls, know it's ok to doubt, and that the Bible is actually a really hard text to parse fully. As far as resources for it go, try looking into the Bible Project on youtube (they're a good preliminary source), and that might help. They recommend other sources themselves. Most of all, pray. The God who parted the seas and healed countless people still lives today. And I believe He can answer your questions as well as any human can. Or better. It's probably better. Comes with the "omniscient" territory.
>>219 >>218 >>217 >>216 >>183 Stop worshiping Ialdabaoth

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