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QTDDTOT Anonymous 03/28/2022 (Mon) 15:32:23 No.6836
Questions that do deserve their own thread. You know the drill. Questions that don't deserve their own thread go in their own threads. Questions that do go here.
>>14075 >if I say something that's completely wrong confidently people will believe me https://www.gematrix.org/?word=www
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>>14076 Gematria is different from the numbers assigned to Hebrew letters.
>>14077 They didn't use the decimal system.
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>>14077 >>14078 >Gematria is different >posts a gematria table Also Revelation was written in Greek: >In my investigation I found what I was looking for. Below is what the Greek actually says with the definition. >chxs: abbreviation for six hundred sixty six >Original Word: χξϛ >Transliteration: chxs >Phonetic Spelling: (khee xee stig'-ma) >Definition: abbreviation for six hundred sixty six >I also learned that in Greek the word for "six" is stigma (and yes, it's meaning is perfect for the Mark of the Beast, as it means “a mark or brand”) and looks like ς. If the verse were to read "six, six, six,” the verse would, in the Greek, be ςςς. Instead it reads χξϛ and the definition is an "abbreviation for six hundred sixty six." >When I looked into the rest of the verse, I found the KJV translation was very accurate. It became clear to me that the number of Antichrist is not 666 (three digits of sixes - six, six, six), but rather 666 (six hundred sixty six). >Next, when putting everything together with the rest of the text, it became clear that the verse is saying that, somehow, Antichrist's name will be calculated to 666 (six hundred sixty six). https://www.faithwriters.com/article-details.php?id=204350 The letter in Hebrew doesn't have an equivalent in classical Greek numbering since stigma is an abbreviation used in manuscripts from the Middle Ages: >Stigma (ϛ) is a ligature of the Greek letters sigma (Σ) and tau (Τ), which was used in writing Greek between the Middle Ages and the 19th century. It is also used as a numeral symbol for the number 6. In this unrelated function, it is a continuation of the old letter digamma (originally Ϝ, cursive form ), which had served as a numeral since antiquity and was conflated with the σ-τ ligature in the minuscule handwriting of the Middle Ages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigma_(letter) >In several editions of the Greek Bible, the number is represented by the final three words, ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ, hexakósioi hexēkonta héx, meaning "six hundred [and] sixty-six": >ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν· ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου, ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν· καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ. https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/gnt/rev013.htm So you are wrong on the interpretation, wrong on the language, and wrong in using modernist translations instead of the KJV.
>>14082 If i am wrong then i am wrong and i'll stand corrected, but sometimes the satanic establishment will reference the bible in ways that are not exact or accurate to the bible like using an apple to reference Adam and Eve when it wasn't mentioned what fruit it was that they ate from, six six six doesn't have to be exactly six hundred and sixty six to reference it.
>>14083 John wrote what he wrote and he said it was the number of a man too
>>14084 That doesn't refute my argument, six six six can still mean six hundred and sixty six.
>>14085 Prophecy is specific not vague. That is how Jesus fulfills all the Messianic predictions of the Old Testament. According to the disciples they didn't even fully know at the time they were with Jesus that they were living out the prophecies in their actions: >These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him. John 12:16 If not even the disciples, who were chosen to follow Jesus, fully knew the scope of their mission, the powers of the world who are hardened in their hearts and dead in the spirit will be licit to even less. Even if they want to invoke the Antichrist, they have no power to accomplish except that which Jesus as Lord permits them: >Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above John 19:11 And Jesus acts on His own initiative, he doesn't heed the nagging of men nor is he tempted by the designs of evil: >And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Revelation 6:9-11 >But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. John 5:34 >God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man James 1:13 The prophecy is for a specific time and those who are secure in faith in Christ should not be disturbed by it coming upon the world, but be encouraged, because it means that Satan's defeat is at hand: >And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. >For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. >Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habbakuk 2:2-4 If you accept Jesus as Lord, and are baptized, and have the Holy Spirit, you will overpower demons: >He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:16-18 God has already defeated Satan and his minions: >God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment 2 Peter 2:4 God will repay Satan's followers in their misdeeds, and deliver the righteous from the grip of evil: >If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Revelation 13:9-10 >Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:12-13 >And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. Revelation 18:4-6 You are washed in the blood of the Lamb of God and baptized in the Holy Spirit, aren't you anon? If not that should be your top priority, because prophesy and its interpretation comes through the Spirit and not human reason: >O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called 1 Timothy 6:20
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>>14086 >Prophecy is specific not vague. That is how Jesus fulfills all the Messianic predictions of the Old Testament. According to the disciples they didn't even fully know at the time they were with Jesus that they were living out the prophecies in their actions: I'm not saying that the prophecy is wrong, you're still not refuting my argument. The satanic world will reference the bible in ways that are not exact or accurate to the bible, so six six six doesn't have to be six hundred and sixty six to mean the same number.
I thought it was 616? Or is that a mistake.
>>6836 how can i stop hating woman? everytime a woman preacher opens her mouth im full of rage
>>14094 Remember that God tells us not to hate on our brothers (that includes sisters). Also stop watching woman preachers, there are many examples of bad woman, and you should not let those speak for the good examples of good women.
>>14094 Is it because she's saying the standard modernist nonsense? Is it because her voice just irritates you? Or is everything else fine and it's just because she's female?
>>14099 her voice and cause she is a female she makes unnecesary remarks like "if a an angel appears in front of me i will be scared!" or puts and example that doesnt relate to the thing she is """teaching"""
>>14101 >or puts and example an*
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Redpill me on the ark of the covenant What would happen if its found? Where do you think it is? What if it was found but is kept in extreme secrecy? I remember reading somewhere that it was accidentally found by a bunch of syrian construction workers iirc, inmediately followed by a lighting that killed a bunch of them few months later patriarch Kirill and the pope met together in an historical encounter (albeit hyped up for what i've read). And that same week Kirill went to Antartica to visit a russian research station, for some reason schizos believe is all connected, but i'm intrigued.
>>14195 It's in Ethiopia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTBhxcLj1RU Or it's buried under the place where Jesus was crucified which is what Ron Wyatt claims, that he literally saw it, I used to believe that was true but I believe it's in Ethiopia now which is annoying because that would mean Ron Wyatt lied about the angels he met and seeing the Ark, which is weird because I don't know why he'd lie about all that, he seemed very genuine and all his other archaeological biblical work was normal and fine. You can see a lot about the Ron Wyatt Ark but he is dead now and Kent Hovind sums up most of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ay1vFfkji8 as well as he talks about the final mention of the Ark in the Bible. I came to post a Church history channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBThrN4QH14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUnyz9qFqPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtSgqKp5lfE I'm usually not interested in Church history but if you're going to tell me it in internet video format, uuuu~ my hands fiddle. My gaping mouth drools duuuh~ https://youtu.be/iQS6shCXgaE?t=949 Haaaahaha
>>14197 Sorry that link doesn't work, it's just a documentary of the Aksum location Bob Cornuke goes through the history of how it got there and talks with the church there that keeps it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pQMcCscZJE Which is the interesting part. Remember to brush your teeth before church today~ and take a shower. Stinky stinky ex-weeb image board NERDS going to church all stinky, pee-yuu!
A lot of Third Temple stuff from Jews and Christians believe that the Ark will be found. If you believe the antichrist will come and take over Israel and the Third Temple and start the daily sacrifices and re-establish the Covenant then it's likely the Ark will exist at that time. Another thing Kent Hovind once mentioned was a friend of his working at the Temple Institute asked if they were going to rebuild the Ark of the Covenant and they said "That's covered." Which to him implies they have Ron Wyatt's ark or know it exists in the cave system. Because they're making everything else: https://free.messianicbible.com/feature/the-temple-vessels-are-ready-for-the-rebuilding-of-jerusalems-third-temple/ It's true the Temple Institute and hundreds of others have made Ark replicas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ckLaIcMGEo but you can read the description it says: "The Temple Institute, which has recreated tens of Temple vessels that are 100% kosher and fit for use in the rebuilt Holy Temple, has not recreated a real Ark, for the following reason: Ancient Jewish tradition has it that the original Ark was hidden away in a chamber underneath the Temple Mount before the destruction of the first Holy Temple. The location where the Ark is hidden is known, and it will be recovered, G-d willing, when conditions permit." I've read that the Jewish Midrash says: "When the Jewish people are gathered in from the exiles from the four corners of the world, they will suddenly find the holy vessels of the Temple" I think almost certainly the Ark whether it's Ron Wyatt's, Ethiopia's or under the Temple Mount(which is actually a Roman fort but that's another story) either way the Ark still I think has one part in the great deception. The End Times is a time of great deception, God allows the antichrist and false prophet to perform miracles and even raises him from the dead specifically to cause a great illusion. Whether the Ark will still kill people, I don't know. You would think no, since it's carrying the old covenant tablets. But I think also God really loves Israel, certainly his focus is always on Israel and I think Israel, the Jews, the Temple, the Ark will have a final act in the world. Not for us though I don't think we'll see any of this, the Jews are super ready to build that Temple, they are literally building the stones for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcGsZQ0zZA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroaster The original prophet Muhammad.
>>14221 >The original prophet Muhammad. No, but probably a messenger. مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَبِي يَحْيَى الْوَاسِطِيِّ عَنْ بَعْضِ أَصْحَابِنَا قَالَ سُئِلَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع عَنِ الْمَجُوسِ أَ كَانَ لَهُمْ نَبِيٌّ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ أَ مَا بَلَغَكَ كِتَابُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص إِلَى أَهْلِ مَكَّةَ أَنْ أَسْلِمُوا وَ إِلَّا نَابَذْتُكُمْ بِحَرْبٍ فَكَتَبُوا إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص أَنْ خُذْ مِنَّا الْجِزْيَةَ وَ دَعْنَا عَلَى عِبَادَةِ الْأَوْثَانِ فَكَتَبَ إِلَيْهِمُ النَّبِيُّ ص أَنِّي لَسْتُ آخُذُ الْجِزْيَةَ إِلَّا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ فَكَتَبُوا إِلَيْهِ يُرِيدُونَ بِذَلِكَ تَكْذِيبَهُ زَعَمْتَ أَنَّكَ لَا تَأْخُذُ الْجِزْيَةَ إِلَّا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ ثُمَّ أَخَذْتَ الْجِزْيَةَ مِنْ مَجُوسِ هَجَرَ فَكَتَبَ إِلَيْهِمُ النَّبِيُّ ص أَنَّ الْمَجُوسَ كَانَ لَهُمْ نَبِيٌّ فَقَتَلُوهُ وَ كِتَابٌ أَحْرَقُوهُ أَتَاهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ بِكِتَابِهِمْ فِي اثْنَيْ عَشَرَ أَلْفَ جِلْدِ ثَوْرٍ From some of our companions said Aboo `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) was asked about Al-Majoos, did they have a Prophet? So he (عليه السلام) said: ‘Yes, have you not been conveyed the letter of the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to the people of Mekkah? (he said to them) accept Islaam, (if not) we will oppose you and wage war. So they wrote to the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) that take from us al-jizyah, and leave us to worship our idols. So the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) wrote to them (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), ‘I cannot (accept) Al-Jizyah except from the Ahl Al-Kitaab’. So they wrote to him (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) they rejected and denied that, (they said) ‘You claim that you cannot take al-jizyah except from the Ahl Al-Kitaab, then you take al-jizyah from the majoos who have done hijrah (migrated)’ So the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to them, ‘The majoos had a Prophet, they killed him, and they burned the book. Their prophet brought them a book (made) from 12,000 skins of bulls’ Source: Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 3, pg. 567-568, hadeeth # 4 majoos here refers to the magi/Zoroastrians, source is weak so take it with a grain of salt.
https://chick.com/products/tract?stk=1&ue=d I found three of these on the floor today, I like them, mostly just I find the comic book style interesting. Otherwise I like "How can we know we'll go to Heaven?" Randy Alcorn and "I am the way, the truth & the life" Billy Graham
Is this correct?
I like this one too https://chick.com/products/tract?stk=39&ue=d I wish they were just a dollar cheaper maybe two. >>14442 BRO I'm suppose to watch 10 minutes of stick people. I don't see the point really. Jew is a term meaning the descendants of Abraham, clearly that's why everyone in the New Testament was using the term as. They are the chosen people because God chose Abraham and his descendants. >Noah built the ark when mesopotamia flooded HAAAA HA HA HA. I feel like no one is confused about the term Jew. Jesus identified as a Jew as well as Paul and neither of them were born in the land of Judah. So I don't think there's some kind of Biblical spiritual meaning hidden, it's just, Jew means what everyone knows it to mean. It became one of a hundred words to refer to the descendants of Abraham the Israelite tribes. Just like Hades and Tartarus and Sheol and and the pit and Gehenna are all making allegory or reference to the same place. Hades doesn't exist. If Hades means literal Hades we have a huge problem, because Greek Hades is different than Hell. So I think looking deeply into these definitions is too much. The New Testament constantly calls people "The Jews" was everyone from the tribe of Judah? And the idea "Judah" has a specific destiny apart from "Israel". Judah is interesting since the breaking of the twelve tribes by the Assyrians resulted in Judah being the only surviving land in Israel and the Assyrians began to mix with the Hebrews and clearly Jesus didn't consider the Samaritans to be Jews just like everyone else. Everyone north of Judah became "Samaritan" and since Judah was the only survivor, Jew became the term for all Israelis. I don't really see a separate destiny in terms of, I mean who are the real Hebrews then what does that even mean. On top of all of this EVERYONE is related to Abraham, everyone in the world. It's impossible not to be if you understand ancestry.
>>14446 Actually Bethlehem is in the land of Judah, I always forget, I always think it's where Nazareth is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Mdq3n6kgk Don't worry, AI and nano machines will solve aging in the 2030s. :O "Real skin, hair and sweat." What are they gonna be chobits? I couldn't think of any placement super AI would have in terms of Bible prophecy, I find it likely it won't have any placement because it's never gonna happen, it's like flying cars. Though I wish AI assistants were real, think of all the help they would be. Maybe people will start listening when AI tells the world evolution is a retarded non-science and Dinosaur tissue can't last 100 million years.
hypothetically speaking if someone were to say feel tempted by little children and they don't think they could talk to the pastor or anyone about that what should they do to help reduce temptation and sin? just curious
>>14467 Well you should just stay away from it for a while. Cutting off the internet for a long time is almost always the solution I think. And the threat of punishing yourself with another cut off from the internet makes you stay away from porn or whatever. Yeaaah cutting off the internet is very helpful and always ready to cut it off again mmmmm. That goes for real life as well, in real life you can just stay away from looking, SHIELD YOUR VIRGIN EYES! Yesterday I had to sit behind a girl on a bus and her hair was uncovered! Why can't women cover themselves. I literally saw a girl with hotpants so short she didn't have pockets so she stuck her phone inside her shorts against her crotch. Actual Neo-Roman Empire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9kKqIQniho Since the world is filled with temptation I am in prayer and shielding my eyes and running away from the tempters. And I would just stay away from looking at young children and hating the sin until it can go away I don't know.
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Whip that body whip that flesh, enslave your body. Spirit willing flesh weak. Whip whip whip! Whip it in the synagogue. You can't live in a Quaker community but we can discipline the body. You don't feel a progress of learning the violin, you just look back from a month ago and realise you're better. We think we can't train our feelings and attractions but you really can. We know porn trains people, changes their brain and their interests. It takes a long time a very long time to return to nature away from looking at tags: loli slave harem pee rape cat ears. But if you just stay away and feed yourself positive things then yeah, we change, it's actually how that works. If we want to get healthier we organise a diet, we might cut out this or that ingredient, we might actually look at what we're eating what it contains where and how it's made. Considering looking at women with lust is wrong, then it's not normal. Jesus never did that so what's our problem. I know I have been devastated by porn in my life, I don't even know what a normal growing up would be, because from an early age kids are on porn and being exposed to even young girls dressed immodestly. But unlike Orthodox Jews and Muslims, Christians have a helper and are not alone overcoming sexual things and they can live in the midst of great temptation and still come out clean. As long as you say "no" "not today" God rewards us with greater strength, whether that's a filling of the Holy Spirit which lots of times cures certain things right away, or a slow increase walking in the Spirit. With the grace of God we are taught to deny temptation. I would trust the promises of God to make us more like Jesus and that means not having sexual attraction to anybody unless it's our partner. Insane but something to certainly believe in and look forward to because it will happen and that is really great. Maybe I could use AI to finally get a picture of Christ-chan trying to lift the Ark of the Covenant while wearing oven mitts. Here's a picture of Jesus and his Disciples standing by the Sea of Galilee, I think anyone can figure that out I mean it's just obvious. Doesn't look like a Lovecraft book cover at all. The good AI image creations don't seem available yet.
>>14467 Don't watch any porn for at least a month or if you do watch it make sure everyone is 18, if you get a strange feeling around them, run for your life, no exaggeration. Then occupy yourself with something else. Go visit a prison and see how they live to remind yourself of what could happen to you if you ever choose to act out on it.
I feel like this is a very Christian song unintentionally. I keep thinking of making a Christian friend thread but, probably pointless, not as pointless as all threads of people yelling at each other over stupidness. Should instead be trying harder to quit the internet. I've got all the truths and informations I want to be helpful in the world. I feel like it'd just be so easy if I had millions of dollars and then I could do a bunch of good things and be content. The Sheep won't be judged for their sins but rather how they spent their life they were given, when I die and see the playback of my life I don't want it to just be me doing nothing, "It's great you are a believer but you didn't really do anything." Yeah well, umm, you know. No, I want to finish my course whatever it is I want to finish all my work Father has for me to do. Let's do our best.
>>14488 I agree, if you watch porn make sure everyone is at least above 18! Please. if you have a problem, I tell you, stop with internet for however long. Cutting off internet for a long while is what to do because it works. "Oooh what am I gonna do sit on the floor and suffer away!?" Yes! "You burden me! Lo, I am attracted to little children's butts what for shall I do!?" Try harder. "My little cousin keeps making Tik Tok dance videos I can't help myself waaaah! It's like another persecution!" You want to regret your life or not. You know that if you stop feeding it it'll go away and you can be happy with holy hands. And I think to be happy thinking about Jesus and trusting that he will save you from sinfulness is important really to just be happy about that.
>>14503 This reminds me of when I quit smoking. I still get cravings every now and then when I see a trigger, but I know I never want to go back to smoking, so I never allow myself to buy any. I try to stay away from places where there will be temptation. Quitting is possible, if you really want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N57doBGQTNY "People are panicking over losing access to their hard earned money." Don't be like this brothers and sisters, losing all our money should be no problem to us. Even if we have a family. We should be perfectly fine losing any possessions. If people understood this world was temporary they would not be kicking each other in the streets over money and politics. Someone wants to take all your money fine. I think if someone cheated Jesus at his Carpenter shop out of some money he wouldn't be up all night thinking "Oh what am I going to do with that person." He would have just forgiven him, maybe rebuked, Jesus rebukes only those he loves, harshly, calls them useless, satan, fools. He calls Judas friend. I want the Lord to rebuke us harshly and sternly. We have a loving Father of the universe, couldn't care less about the bank cheating us out of a life savings. Jesus has a parable for that, storing up all your goods on Earth, don't bother.
Low time preference apocalyptic cult lel
>>14507 >I think if someone cheated Jesus at his Carpenter shop out of some money he wouldn't be up all night thinking "Oh what am I going to do with that person." He would have just forgiven him Jesus could also create bread and fish out of thin air and turn water into wine while knowing both the past and future and things outside of his field of vision. Makes it a little easier to get by after someone takes your stuff. Point taken though.
What sucks about being retarded or whatever is I can never persuade anyone to be good. All I can do is piss people off and probably make them hate Christianity more than they already do. It's frustrating. They are unhappy fuckups I just want them to be uplifted with the group instead of dragging me down with the group. :(
>>14488 >>14503 This should go without saying, and I hope it does, but nobody should watch any porn of any kind at any time.
Remember that guy would spam that Jesus was a jew? I guess the finally got tired of doing it.
>>14197 Didn't a schooler see the ethiopian ark and think it was a fake from medieval times?
Take any youtube video URL and remove the "h" in "watch"
>>14695 Jewgle worships Satan
Did St. Paul refer approvingly to a work called the Book of Enoch?
>>14839 He doesn't, the writings we have now have been put into one book but the writings of Enoch were claimed by various different writings which are now put together by one book. It's not agreed which writings were even part of which book but nobody believes the book of Enoch was originally written as one whole book from at one time from one person. The writings themselves tell us they are different books. There's a dead sea scroll fragment which says at one point Abraham carried around 'The words of Enoch'. And lots of fragments of Enoch writings have been found in the Dead Sea scrolls but the full book today is from the Ethiopian church manuscript. Some of the writings could have been written by Enoch himself and some could have been written in antiquity. Enoch writes about crazy things and he also writes about the coming Messiah more than Isaiah or Daniel. A lot of the subject matter and terminology can be similar to Second Temple period writing and it's style is somewhat like the book Revelation and the book of Job. Jesus himself seemed interested in the prophecies of Isaiah and Daniel, not Enoch. Enoch's book of the Watchers has the writings Jude refers to. Some will say that Paul wrote Hebrews and Hebrews references Enoch's writings but this simply isn't true, Hebrews 11:5 is directly ripping from Genesis 5:24 (not the Masoretic but the Septuagint version).
(catholic,sunday mass goer) My parish's priest sometimes says kinda "off" things like "non-married couples under the same roof are ok if they love each other". or " God never punishes"..he's ok at confession but forbids me to practice self-whipping penance. am I bound to obey him here? I dont LIKE beating myself, but I used to do it out of penance.
>>14855 you shouldnt whip yourself, your body is God's temple, but the stuff about non married couples living together sounds like cringe. I guess its ok if they dont have sex but i feel like thats not what hes implying. And God does punish although im not sure what context hes using that in.
>>14856 let me explain:he didnt imply sex. but in the catholic church, such a couple,even if celibate,is deemed to commit the sin of "scandal".
>>14857 hmm, what does "scandal" imply/mean?
Whats a good daily routine of excercise,study,prayer and rest? So far I think of: hours sleep, 2 hours for recreation,90 minutes prayer/study Bible, and a couple of hours for studying various stuff I enjoy.
is halloween satanic or something?
>>14858 That it sets a bad example and can encourage sin
>>14988 its a celtic pagan holiday.
>>14989 i guess thats fair
>>14990 False connection. There's no source for the date of samhain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-5BmAzbrU
>>14998 its generally understood that it took place in the fall when everything dies considering it is the day of the dead essentially. either way its a non-Christian holiday
>>15000 Lots of cultures in many different places have festivals in the fall. Why not one of them? Ultimately there has to be a direct influence from Celts to the date of all-saints day for them to be linked.
>>15002 >Lots of cultures in many different places have festivals in the fall. Why not one of them? well the main reason theyre associated is because the Celts also believe that Samhain was the day when ghouls and goblins and witches amongst other things came out aswell as ghosts, spirits etc. Which is pretty unique, especially for Europe where the holiday comes from.
When exactly am I supposed to apply Old Testament teachings to life when we have the New Testament?
>>15033 the OT consists of moral law, the NT largely consists of clarifications and expansion of the moral law.
When is killing permitted under the law of God? Death penalty? Self-defense? Genocide of horrible ""people"" like Jews, homosexuals, communists, etc? Other situations?
>>15043 >When is killing permitted under the law of God? Self defense, when God ordains it, and when an offender commits a serious crime (murder, rape, etc). >Genocide of horrible ""people"" genocide is not allowed and rule of thumb is that in general violence should be avoided.
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Does anyone here pray to St. Isidore of Seville before using the internet? I heard of the concept while searching for a patron saint of the internet several days ago (seems he's the closest we have) and the idea intrigues me.
>>15099 >St. Isidore of Seville >patron saint of the internet what retarded idea, who the fuck came up with such a shitty idea. Lmao, what next? The patron saint of Pornhub, the patron saint of 4chan, the patron saint of Funsizedboys? Read your prayers before fapping to Futa, Kek.
>>15099 Praying to saints is idolatry, it's no better than fucking paganism.
If you are a Christian in southern Ontario please contact my discord account: Aizekl#0271
>>15099 >Thou shalt have no other gods before me
>>15124 Fuck off, (((Prot))). If a catholic wants to worship idols, why the hell do you care, live and let live Incel.
>>15133 >Fuck off >Christian Pick one.
>>15134 >fuck >off Pick one.
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>>15113 Is asking for prayer from a fellow Christian idolatry? Is it a distraction from Jesus? Should you refrain from asking more popular or pious Christians for prayer in case it becomes idolatry? Does it suddenly become idolatry when this Christian dies? In addition, the saints as depicted in the Book of Revelation are aware of what happens on Earth and still pray. Are deceased saints selectively unaware of our prayers? Do their prayers cease to have any effect upon death? Or do they remain a part of the church even beyond the grave? I should clarify that I'm more familiar with the Eastern Orthodox conception of saints than the Roman Catholic conception, and there are theological differences between the two.
>>15184 TL;DR faggot
>>15152 oof, triggered?
>>15184 >It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.  Romans 14:21-22 Go pray to your idols in private if you want but don't make it a point of faith that makes Christians look like ignorant idolators in public.
>>15192 seethe
>>15200 That verse doesn't mean what you think it means idolater.
>>15221 This poster is a bot
>>15220 Oh, VERY triggered!
Has God ever allowed any exceptions to his commandments?
>>15389 the only time i can think so was with Jesus and the adultress but the Bible doesnt give much specifics.
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I have sunken to the deepest pits of despair No human being is something i can aspire to relate to I have lost my connection with this world, I do not belong in it. I see nothing but the call of Jesus as my only salvation, but I don't like how the people that attend to church where I live look like. I want someone like the one who has visited me in my darkest hour, but that just seems like a pipe dream How can I get over the fact that I will never meet someone like her again, make peace with this, and attend the call of the lord with no prejudice towards the ones surrounding me?
>>15574 Sounds like teenage hormones. It will pass eventually by itself.
>>15576 I am 24
>>15574 >I see nothing but the call of Jesus as my only salvation, but I don't like how the people that attend to church where I live look like. What the fuck!? This is fucking ridiculous. You are no better than the retards that hate anime only because some of the people that watch it happen to be troons.
>>15581 I just don't want my children, or my progeny, to look like them. Given that the church is where a lot of people meet their life partners, this is something I want to take into account.
>>15582 if you dont want your kids to look like them, which is fair i guess, then just dont marry them. If its a good church you should go either ways.
Before you became Christian did you screw Christians over for being Christian?
What's the proper way to give your kids "the talk"? Before I even knew what sex was I hated it, I'd here it mentioned all the time on the pop radio stations the bus would play 24/7 so I guess that's why I grew a disdain for it. But then my dad gave me a book (pamphlet) talking about sex from a biblical perspective and basically said "read this". After that it set everything in motion and within a week I was looking at porn. I obviously don't want that to happen to my children when I have them, so what's the best way to go about talking about it? Part of me wishes I was never told about it at all and remained ignorant of what it was, but I'm sure that my internet exposure would've introduced me to it anyways and obviously from a secular perspective. I'm worried that telling them about sex would only pique their curiousity and make them seek it out instead of waiting for marriage.
>>15623 why do you need to tell your kids about sex? Ive never really understood that, maybe its just because my parents never really gave me the talk but i feel like it doesnt really matter to a young person whether they know. Im in a similar boat as you, when i got somewhat introduced to it that was basically my first introduction to porn. So id say just dont tell them and if they ask you or look it up or something then just explain it to them from the biblical point of view.
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Will going to the church help me deal with homosexual tendencies? I am a 24 year old virgin, and whenever someone gets touchy with me if she's a woman I kinda recoil, but if it is a man I act weird? I have no idea really. I don't know what to do with my life. I have no idea of my sexuality anymore. I just want to be loved.
>This should apply to all religion as i dont care anymore So i guess since god says it knows the unchangeable futures and the past and thus all the falls of things from lucifer and cain to the entire humanity and the coming of unethical clonings, machines, paranoia and social isolation, Am i to understand that the coming of these vile things and how god is powerlesss or simply lets it happen contradicts the idea(as said implicitly or explicitly, maybe not written but said and suggested widely) that gods are all reaching and all caring and and has the purest and most unquestionable love that wants to save all the spirits but somehow throws you into this confusion and only sees if you are good enough or have any faith to foster to be of the same sort of valhallan idea of the afterlife? Like, is this case of differing meaning is just a fluke or is it always been the same kind "test" of a text that the gods have often declared that it somehow, despite knowing the unchangeable future and also knows that you might just break or fail or press the rock wrongly, still decided that it is worth to try it out as it somehow deem you not worthy enough at that moment and there is no other "all capable" choice for it to actually, really save you in spirit and flesh as it claimed to begin with? What am i to get of this contradiction? That it just simply has no concern of anything of humanity but rather its own satisfaction and some sort of safetiness that it had thrown away in the beginninf by starting the universe that it wants to have but eventually will press reset anyway since it doesnt find any pleasure of the mess of its own letting?
>>15719 >>15720 Im speaking for the universal idea that gods share and how it always contradict itself through its action and how its words somehow forms different meaning of good through its embodiment. Now it seems its following just stumbles on their own and has to be always supported by enough supply of qafirs and atheist to feed their merciful entry to heaven at the cost of others they deem to be worthless and evil but needs somehow
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Is Martinism heresy? Are there any Martinists here? Is it Freemasonry?
>>15658 >Will going to the church help me deal with homosexual tendencies? The Holy Spirit might, so you ought to concern yourself more with repentance and faith to cleave unto God than with going to an institution.
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what does the bible say about cremation
>>15617 I would used to mock my Christian family for being Christian because i was a teenage edgelord. I would also make fun of them online.
>>15658 There are no sexualities plural, that is devilish confusion in the culture. There is the sexuality which drives the union of the gametes, everything else is fetiche or paraphilia, not an identity nor a born into genetic fate. Homosexuality doesnt exist, sodomy the sin does, and love can never come through sin, so dont search for love that way. So when having undue temptations we just ignore them, as Paul says - 'hold every thought captive and subject them to Christ'. And yes, going to Church and getting the sacraments and living in grace and virtue can heal our disordered faculties. Also ask for freedom of said ideas in prayer. I used to be a masturbator, now i havent done it for many years and dont even feel the urge to.
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>>15658 delete discord and twitter. if the problem persists, it's likely you were raped by your uncle when you were 5. in that case, prayer is the easiest option. >I just want to be loved. pro gamer tip: faggots cant love, they can only lust
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>>15776 >delete discord and twitter. if the problem persists, it's likely you were raped by your uncle when you were 5. in that case, prayer is the easiest option. >pro gamer tip: faggots cant love, they can only lust are you so sure about that? >>15775 >love can never come through sin, so dont search for love that way. don't men sin when they're with a loved one of his? and i mean love, not hookups or cheap shit, devotion and love towards each other I am gonna start going to mass this Sunday, and participate in certain activities with a group after that, which involves helping in the church, but I keep going there thinking I'll find someone like the one who broke my heart and I just know I will never see her again. I don't think that is gonna happen. I keep yearning for her like a junkie wanting his fix, but... shit. I can't accept this, she was perfect wife material and I screwed up immensily, she's gonna be in someone else's bed, raise her kids with someone else, and get old with someone else. And it honestly stings me, stings me so fucking hard it's been the only thing I have been thinking of for the last six months. I can't accept this. Will going to church help me cope with this feeling of having lost someone so dear to me, that I can't imagine sharing my life with anyone else? I don't think so Sorry for the scrambled post.
>>15778 I am just repeating myself like in the previous post Sorry, forget it, I should just hang myself
>>15778 >>15779 Are you OK there anon? You seem confused if you don't mind me saying. Did you get rejected/dumped by a girl and is that connected with your homosexual temptations? Or are you talking about something else now? >don't men sin when they're with a loved one of his? and i mean love, not hookups or cheap shit, devotion and love towards each other What? If you're married, it's not a sin to have sex. It would be a sin to withhold sex from your wife or husband. Is that what you're asking? If you mean outside of marriage, loving someone doesn't mean you have to have sex with them. To answer your original question, sort of. It's like asking if going to church will cure your drunkenness or your anger problems. Everyone gets dealt particular vulnerabilities and temptations and this just happens to be yours. The whole Christian life (which includes going to church) will help you overcome it but it will neither be as quick nor as easy as you want. It could well be a lifelong struggle but, considering your soul is immortal, that's not such a bad deal. Look for a supportive church meaning they don't encourage you to sin but also understand that this isn't something that's trivial to solve. Unfortunately, because of the zeitgeist, it's very hard to find the same kind of help for sexual disorders as you might find for drug use. Something I'm surprised no one has asked: Do you use porn? That's the first thing I would point to for any kind of sexual deviancy.
>>15792 >God's order is for woman to worship man No, absolutely not, a thousand times no. Worship God aone
>>15792 REPENT IDOLATER
>>15793 >>15795 two pathetic feminist cuckolds
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>>15778 >are you so sure about that? pic related Also, church can't heal you. Only Christ can. Start reading the Bible and praying to God, instead of wasting your time with meme institutions. >>15779 >I should just hang myself If I were you I'd rather live and try to cure my faggotry than die a faggot. Also, like >>15790 says, faggotry might also be caused by consooming pornography. TLDR Church won't do shit. Just stop browsing Twitter and watching porn, and start praying to God, and you'll soon stop being a shitdick
I'm starting to doubt that god can be everywhere at once. If god is watching over me, then why does he allow me to see things that would make me unhinged.
>>15797 pathetic idolatrous cuckold
>>15737 Yes it is heretical and yes it related to Freemasonry. Don't fall for these "esoteric" and "magical" Christianity groups that pretend to commune with angels and grant you mystical powers. This is kind of the thing that brings someone into prelest, spiritual delusion. This is a dangerous condition to be in, because a person may think he is doing everything right in relation to God but is really a pawn for the evil one. Constant repentance and a good prayer life is the way to bring about God's grace, not playing dress up.
>>15737 no, from reading esotercists myself they warn that anything that openly claims to be roscurianism isn't roscurianism but rather new-age subversion.
>>15737 Why do you want to join them? They are mystical? What saints have they produced of the calibre of Meister Eckhart, Jakob Boehme or seraphim of sarov did they need to join some sekrit LARP club?
>>15802 Words have meanings and anon literally got cheated on because he obsessed with his woman. You can throw insults around, but you cannot change reality.
>>15799 Because your life is a tragedy not a comedy.
>>15803 Magic is real and very much practiced by Christians in the bible, it's just that magic is from force of will manifesting in god's righteousness and not esoteric ritualism; not that Christianity lacks in the esoteric ritualism department anyways. It's just about purifying the body/soul rather than performing magic.
>>15822 God's will is not "magic." >very much practiced by Christians in the bible The NT makes it pretty clear that magical arts are not the same as following God's will. Acts 8:9-13 Acts 19:19 Colossians 2:8 Galatians 5:19-21
>>15795 Also I repented, >>15778 Worship God not women. You made your date an idol. God's order is for woman to be subject to man, not for man to subjugate himself upon woman. Any man who sets woman above himself will only find misery.
>>15830 Pure semantics.
>>15843 >t. magician
I'm a Christian but i was humiliated at my old job, i'm thinking of doing sigil magic to make my old boss cry in front of me, i wouldn't hurt him. The problem is i have to deal with spirits oppressing me afterwards, but if it works i'd be worth it, and i can just do like last time and talk to a priest. God says "vengeance is mine" but i don't know when that is going to happen or if.
>>15797 >>15802 >CUCKOLD CUCKOLD Stop being obsessed about sex.
>>15822 Johannes Trithemius an abbot who was never censured by the church contributed much to the wests understanding of magic being the mentor of agrippa
>>15843 This might be the same sperg that calls medicine sorcery. Also using a computer is literally sorcery.
I'm going to start reading the Bible and want a reading order better than from Genesis to Revelations, how should I start?
>>15888 Start with the Gospels—Matthew and John are the best.
>>15888 A large portion of the OT books are very exhaustive texts relating to Jewish law or religious practices. Not sure which ones they are but if you start reading one and its endless law or schematics for the temple you can skip it.
>>15888 Bro, read the Koran instead. The b*ble is fake. Come to /islam/, dude. By the way, tranime is degenerate, duderino. Fr fr no cap.
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>>15790 I actually haven't used porn for a good amount of time. I am going outside more, getting busier and busier, but there are lapses of time where I just, well I just think of her. >Did you get rejected/dumped by a girl and is that connected with your homosexual temptations? I'm just being silly, but it's technically something like that. The homoerotic insecurities is just because. I dunno it's weird. I have a set standard for women so if they touch me I don't feel anything, but I don't think of men as sexual partners, but if they touch me and I barely know them I feel weird. None of the girls I talked to were like this one really. I honestly doubted if everything that happened was real. But crazy enough it was real. Then again I am just making this my blog so I dunno. I am sure no one here lurks because they want to see a mop crying over a girl he talked to. >>15798 >faggotry might also be caused by consooming pornography. Or yearning for real love. Real love can cure anything, but heartbroken men can't love. And when no women (that you actually want to have a family with) cares about you men may result as an endearing temptation. >>15837 Sucks to have learned it the hard way. At least I know I gotta love myself and be the better man I can. Losing someone very dear to me is still the most expensive price I had to pay for anything in my life.
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>>15892 Why did God place those books in the bible if he didn't intent for you to read it?
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Michael Brown destroys non-messianic Jews once again. No one can stop him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpzU6KwpBt4 I was trying to figure out Daniel 9 for myself recently and I realised I don't care anymore. There was a Michael Heiser presentation I saw but even he too was like "I don't even care anymore about Daniel. I give up." Well. I think the reality is we are headed towards a final 7 year end time with a third temple and a Jewish Messiah Anti-Christ. If that all turns out not to be true then fine. If Daniel's prophecies are finished then- actually I don't even want to bother like I said I don't even care anymore. Like Heiser End Times stuff just makes me sick even though I'm very against people who say "I'm too stupid and I just believe what someone else told me to believe." Joel Kramer at Joshua's alter and about the law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb1h45LqYpw
https://youtu.be/S0nzy5MgB1M?t=202 Interestinnngggg. The VERY early Church did in fact worship at the Temple. God spent a lot of time talking about how the Temple would operate. Is there a single passage anywhere in the New Testament about a Church building design. Public church buildings can be useful but in many cases they also do harm. This idea of meeting in a building for a lecture once a week. Of all the words people argue for Church should be translated to assembly, assembly of believers. Living and breathing together friends in our area. beloveds. In a field at the home they should be gathering and together all the time they should know each other. We've divided into denominational church buildings. The first church I went to was a very small group in a small rented out area and the pastor was soft spoken and knew everything about all of us kept up to date, he was an actual "Pastor" and it was just great. And even that could have been better, we ate together sometimes, but I really want to be meeting in the assembly every day personally. I want to live in the assembly with everyone. You don't want to be part of a church where you really are just going for a lecture. That can't be the whole purpose and nobody in a church should be praying for fellowship during the week. That is a failed church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH6BJDxQjAU But it's all temporary, just salting the slowly rotting corpse. Jesus describes himself as ruler going to a far away land and coming back for his Kingdom, he describes his second coming, he's riding right now on his way back. He says the end will come when the Earth is a rotting corpse and I was thinking obviously the reason there's been a 2,000 year gap is obvious and you don't hear it said a lot... how else would people join the Kingdom? How many people are we expecting in God's eternal kingdom? A lot I would say so yeah if Jesus came back in 70 AD you wouldn't have many people frankly. It's not just that Daniel said the Kingdom would be a rock that turns into a mountain. You literally need to time fill the Kingdom of God a lot of time to pull out all the people and I think there's a reason for all kinds of people from different times and cultures. But Jesus says the Earth will be a corpse at his return and until then his followers are the salt. Salting the Earth keeping it fresh for as long as possible so that more can be added to the Kingdom. Free-will souls are the valuable commodity. But you can't salt what has already began to rot. Though not quite there.
If God knows the future and everyone who will be in the Kingdom why doesn't he just jump ahead. Why doesn't he just make sunflowers fully grown, why invent seeds, or babies. Why invent time why do anything. Even in Heaven I don't think we'll understand how anything exists. God says, I've always existed. HOW!? I cannot comprehend, my tiny brain. And even if Atheists were correct it would just make less sense. All time space matter was just always there or not kind of maybe and started to exist or whatever, nonsense ol boy. Something's going a strange in the universe. https://vimeo.com/735535755 https://crev.info/2022/08/big-science-worried-about-fraud-but-why/ https://crev.info/2022/08/jwst-surprises-and-discoveries/ https://crev.info/2022/08/archive-classic-astrobiology-0-steps-forward-3-steps-back/ In my womb child, I more so believe stars are not suns, and galaxies are not what we think they are, there's no way to just assume they're a bunch of stars and planets, they look like swirls of dust and that's all we can see. It's true it would seem we are in a galaxy ourselves it seems like we can see the arm of our own. I have to assume there are other creations if the current big accepted picture of the universe is true which really people shouldn't just accept right away because usually it's not true. I don't think we're going to live in the third Heaven. It's the Kingdom, of God, of Heaven which will exist on the new Earth. I do think people are living in the third Heaven now and death experiences and the Bible have described a city the New Jerusalem I think it's there in the third Heaven and it will be brought down to the new Earth. The new Heaven is the universe that will be colonised and I think people might continue to have babies. I think this world was ready for us to advance. I don't think Adam and Eve were always going to be gardeners, maybe. Otherwise humans were always meant to figure out the creation as we have greatly done in the past century. One planet is enough for me I don't know if we need Starship Universe MMO IRL in eternity. I've heard people say all creation will be brought back to life in the end. Which is great except the new Earth doesn't have a sea, I don't know where the sea creatures will be. And then the point that, Jesus very clearly loves us. He doesn't hide the fact this is his own Kingdom that YOU are joining. It's for him. So what does Jesus want will tell us what eternity would be like. Such speculation is wild though in many ways when it comes to technical things. Though I like speculation. But if there's other planets with people well you get into massive speculation about stuff then don't you. Though it's only if.
Jesus claimed to be the owner and creator of the afterlife Heaven and that it was all for him. In some ways I feel like that's an even more insane claim than claiming to be God. Has anyone been bold enough to say that the afterlife exists basically for himself, he's the one, the ruler and everyone was made for him. You cannot get away from the fact Jesus said insane things and people believed him for his miracles and other stuff, otherwise he would have been another street crazy not the founder of the largest movement in history. He did perform miracles that was not debated even by his enemies of the first century, even much later the Quran still says he was being accused of being a wizard by his enemies not a liar or just a good spokesmen or that the miracles were added later. The supreme judge all people saved are given to him and the wicked cast into a fire away from him. On top of all the messianic claims of course. All at the perfect timing, all fulfilled. Is Jesus lord? uhhh, duh.
>>15888 Start with a Gospel. Luke if you like detailed accounts. Mark if you want the shortest one. Any will do though. Then read Acts, Romans and 1 Corinthians. That's my order for people who are starting from scratch. It gives you the life and teachings of Jesus, the doings of the early Church, some basic theology and some practical advice. After that you can read what you like but, if you still want more recommendations, I would recommend going back to read John if that wasn't the Gospel you started with. Read James and Galatians back to back. Read Hebrews. At this point you can start the Old Testament. Psalms is a good place to start or one of the wisdom books. Genesis is important to read at some point. If you want to read about ancient Israelite history, start at Genesis 12 and go through Exodus. Skip to Joshua and then just keep reading. If you want prophecy and the anticipation of the Messiah, read Isaiah and the other prophecy books. Make sure to go back and read all the epistles you missed earlier (everything in the New Testament that's not the Gospels, Acts or Revelation). Finally, read everything else in whatever order. Proscribing a very detailed reading order for the Bible is not very helpful. No matter which order you choose, you're not going to understand everything the first time anyway. >>15926 Why do we have dictionaries if no one sits down to read them like a novel? It's not the mark of importance whether or not you read them all the time. Those passages are in the Bible because they are genuine religious texts and we read them for context. The Bible is here for our instruction. Genealogies, temple layouts and legal minutiae are not very instructive to the average person but they are boring and interrupt the flow of reading.
>>15934 >Why was the universe created such that things must grow to reach their fullness? That's a really interesting question I'd never thought about. Unfortunately, I have no answer for you. Maybe someone knows of a work of philosophy that tackles it?
>>15934 >>15935 >>15937 Got lost on your way home? It's right here --> https://www.reddit.com/
>>15944 >Maybe someone knows of a work of philosophy that tackles it? Good luck. Iranaeus' answer is literally just 'the Glory of God is less than the glory of (the works of) men'. Here's an english translation of a literal quote: >7. On this account, too, did the Lord assert that the kingdom of heaven was the portion of "the violent;" and He says, "The violent take it by force;" Matthew 11:12 that is, those who by strength and earnest striving are on the watch to snatch it away on the moment. On this account also Paul the Apostle says to the Corinthians, "Do you not know, that they who run in a racecourse, do all indeed run, but one receives the prize? So run, that you may obtain. Every one also who engages in the contest is temperate in all things: now these men [do it] that they may obtain a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible. But I so run, not as uncertainty; I fight, not as one beating the air; but I make my body livid, and bring it into subjection, lest by any means, when preaching to others, I may myself be rendered a castaway." 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 This able wrestler, therefore, exhorts us to the struggle for immortality, that we may be crowned, and may deem the crown precious, namely, that which is acquired by our struggle, but which does not encircle us of its own accord (sed non ultro coalitam). And the harder we strive, so much is it the more valuable; while so much the more valuable it is, so much the more should we esteem it. And indeed those things are not esteemed so highly which come spontaneously, as those which are reached by much anxious care. Since, then, this power has been conferred upon us, both the Lord has taught and the apostle has enjoined us the more to love God, that we may reach this [prize] for ourselves by striving after it. For otherwise, no doubt, this our good would be [virtually] irrational, because not the result of trial. Moreover, the faculty of seeing would not appear to be so desirable, unless we had known what a loss it were to be devoid of sight; and health, too, is rendered all the more estimable by an acquaintance with disease; light, also, by contrasting it with darkness; and life with death. Just in the same way is the heavenly kingdom honourable to those who have known the earthly one. But in proportion as it is more honourable, so much the more do we prize it; and if we have prized it more, we shall be the more glorious in the presence of God. https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103437.htm I'd like to draw particular attention to >more honourable >more glorious than what God can provide. This is probably the main sticking sticking point at which the gnostic heresies were never meaningfully addressed. If you can find a good argument then make a new thread, because this is the reason why I at the least am an apostate.
>>15945 Grow up if you are still obsessed about reddit/4chan garbage and calling people bundles of sticks.
>>15949 Faggot is a french word that means something similar to "(female) slut"
>>15950 Many people come to this board using curses and obscenities being profane. Being christian is just a mental choice and we need to kill muslims and "I hate faggots and whores! hahahaha! It's okay to call people faggot because being gay is wrong hahahaha!" The underlining problem is they are acting like 4chan users. I know this is 4chan but Christians are a different kind of people, ones that stand out. This is about as public of a church as you can get and the problems of that are clear. "Nigger kikes! No shit. Fuck you." Have you seen this, I've seen this kind of 4chan garbage on this board, those posts aren't deleted which is the real problem this place isn't run by a Christian and they have the nerve to say it's a church an assembly of believers, that is just terrible. And beyond this it's the attitude which the internet makes people act terribly and not with love which is the furthest care from anyone here. Love may be the most important commandment but it couldn't matter less. I'm gonna make a school poster and hang it here: Before you post STOP. THINK. Does your post have: Jesus, holy scriptures, love, truth, beauty, peace. Does it not have: Profanity, ad hominem, vitriol, foolishness, ugliness, discord. And people get real bent out of shape "why are you so obsessed about bad words!!!" I've never met a born again Christian okay with filthy words and the New Testament speaks against them, worm around the passages if you want. In fact I'm not sure that I've ever met a person in the world who would talk like a 4chan user while inside a church. Do you have two different personalities or one. Are you being a goat in sheep's clothing when you enter a church "church time, time to be polite and walk on egg shells. Time to act different." There should be zero change at all. And not about particular words the point is we have to force ourselves to avoid responding to others like internet users, which at its heart is instant aggression and discord and antagonism. Those are not the fruits of the Spirit quite the opposite. Have to really practice patience online and think, am I being helpful or kind to this person, am I actually addressing something or talking through them. Really look outside ourselves at our posts before sending them out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGpFgUvcCVk The internet makes it almost impossible not to act like a stupid idiot moron, but I need to really try harder.
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I promoted chick tracts here earlier but I must take back in some ways that. I haven't read all of them, but This Was Your Life and Charlie's Ants and The Long Trip seem like the best ones. I love the analogy in Charlie's Ants, the one with the internet meme everyone edits. But look at this section. Notice anything wrong here? Why would you explain it this way. Was it a mistake. It almost sounds like "Jesus died to free us from the sin of Adam and Eve and because Adam and Eve sinned that's why you can't go to Heaven." and it's hard to ignore that he clearly believes in original sin. Even if original sin was true it's so vastly unimportant here. At judgement it's not going to be, well Adam sinned so, sorry you know sucks for you. Your own sins are mildly more important. This is such a bad section of the Gospel tract I almost didn't want to hand them out. It's important to tell people about sinful natures rather than sin. People who commit sins will go to Heaven, sinful natures, sinfulness, is the larger problem. I'm so upset this section exist. It really does bother me also Chick tracts are obsessed with the KJV, which is a topic the uninitiated don't need to be involved in. The ESV should be what people read until they learn more and they can decided for themselves. One of the most serious passages in the entire Bible in revelation: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." That's kind of serious perhaps one of the most serious things ever said. I don't see it being a literal scroll of names but what does it mean, you can become dammed if you commit this single sin. Of course it doesn't say if you can repent and be recovered but interesting. I think there's a lot important here such as, the reason this is said for this prophecy this scroll alone Revelation, is because Revelation indeed is talking not about 70 AD but about the end times and Satan's plans. The devil would love to edit Revelation more than anything. That's why editing it is so serious. It also gives ideas that people can be removed and perhaps added to the scroll of life in a dynamic sense. I mention this just because like everything there are different versions of Revelation manuscripts as well. But yes Chick I don't know why he bothers telling new comers about the Good News and then tells them to read the KJV without even explaining and the average person just doesn't need to hear it that'll distract them.
>>15953 I really can't imagine caring about reddit or 4chan and no one does when they know Jesus. Very unimportant. If you fit into any of these terrible places especially the fake Christian places online that's a concern and I don't know of any real social Christian places online. So you can ignore trying to be a disciple if you want. You can be a reddit/4chan/twitter user if you want, as if any of those websites are different. But I've already said everything in that post. If anyone genuinely calls themselves a real Christian and goes around calling people "nigger faggot cucks" on the internet what can you say. If there's no love, no concern for others it's pointless. People don't care about God's commandments but they do want to be a cultural Christian because that means if they're good enough they'll go to Heaven and being good is about totally OWNING people online. And a lot of people don't care to tell them, stop it. Stop acting like internet users.
>>15945 Look he posted a meme! that means hes a REAL christian!!!
>>15946 I doubt St Iranaeus means that the Glory of God is less than the glory of the works of men. The fact that you had to insert the non-quoted words "than what God can provide" is a clue to that. After all, God provided us with out Earthly lives as well so how can it be said that we have anything more (or other) than what He has provided. He appears to be saying that the purpose is to make our final, eternal state (according to our telos) more glorious and precious. That glory and preciousness would still be from God though. He says nothing to the effect that we can obtain for ourselves a greater glory than what God can give us. My only problem with this answer is that it's grounded in the fact that we do live in such a world. What I mean is that we only have a notion of the preciousness and glory of struggle because we are acquainted with it. If we live in a world that was created in its final state without a need to grow to fullness, would we hold that state in less esteem? We would have no idea of things being otherwise. In other words, would the maximum amount of esteem we could hold for something be less in that hypothetical world than what we can hold in this world we live in? And is it even meaningful to make such a comparison?
>>15956 >I doubt St Iranaeus means that the Glory of God is less than the glory of the works of men. I doubt that too. I don't think he means anything at all by that passage, and got lost in manipulating prose while grasping for quotes that deny double predestination; he directly contradicts his position in the outset of the next chapter. But nevertheless, that is what he has said. >If we live in a world that was created in its final state without a need to grow to fullness, would we hold that state in less esteem? I mean by the quote from Irenaeus to show that his answer to this question is "yes". To answer this question "yes" IS to claim that the Glory of God is less than the glory of (the works of) man. The Perfect and Unchanging is God. Claiming yes is to say that the man produced by man working upon his self has a superior appreciation of the glory he has earned than The Uncreated has of the Glory that is His intrinsically, which Irenaeus does declare in Against Heresies 4,37,7 as quoted. To be exact, Irenaeus is continuing his claim from the previous passage: >Thus it would come to pass, that their being good would be of no consequence, because they were so by nature rather than by will, and are possessors of good spontaneously, not by choice; and for this reason they would not understand this fact, that good is a comely thing, nor would they take pleasure in it. For how can those who are ignorant of good enjoy it? Or what credit is it to those who have not aimed at it? And what crown is it to those who have not followed in pursuit of it, like those victorious in the contest? >And what crown is it to those who have not followed in pursuit of it, like those victorious in the contest? It's God's fucking crown. In theory the following chapter was written to address your question directly (Why man was not made perfect from the beginning). But I didn't quote it because it simply never addresses the question, and only asserts the opposite position (rightfully, I may add) that man is inferior to God intrinsically including in his glory. Though chapter 38 has some commentary on the supposed development of man, it never contradicts and does reassert it's initial claim of man's intrinsic inferiority - all of the development of man is still left trite and meaningless as it must be. >In other words, would the maximum amount of esteem we could hold for something be less in that hypothetical world than what we can hold in this world we live in? It's unambiguous that not only must the answer to your question be "no", but that we hold that state in infinitely less esteem than the perfect would. >And is it even meaningful to make such a comparison? Not really. You're literally comparing man and God.
https://apologeticspress.org/gentiles-received-the-spirit-before-baptism/ This largely is a terrible argument for salvation by water baptism. People can receive the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism that's a fact in the Bible and endless testimony. Water baptism is for the remission of your old sins of your old ways. It has always been that way in Judaism a traditional cleansing for a gentile to enter into the Jewish religion. Water baptism has nothing to do with supreme cleansing sins as in forgiving all your sins through Jesus. Everyone who ever got baptised has no sins anymore? The New Testament constantly says you are saved by X and your sins are remised by X. Jesus says because of people's faith he forgave their sins all the time. Were they saved then at that point was does that mean. People love to take out which one they want. In fact Peter's speech in Acts 10 he says "through his name every one that is believing in him doth receive remission of sins." So which is it, water baptism, believing, faith, works, Holy Spirit, repentance, what's the "official saved" status hmm? https://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/10.htm https://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/11.htm He points out this, Acts 10 told us the event as it happened. After Peter gave his speech it says: "While Peter is yet speaking these sayings, the Holy spirit fell upon all those hearing the word" in Acts 11 when the event is being retold. The angel had said to the Roman "who shall speak sayings by which thou shalt be saved, thou and all thy house." Then Peter says "And in my beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit did fall upon them, even as also upon us in the beginning." Therefore The Holy Spirit came to them right before Peter actually began preaching. They didn't even hear the good news. Acts 10 does imply that the Spirit came while he was speaking which would make sense. Would he come literally before Peter even started and they had no idea who Jesus was. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2089/kjv/tr/0-1/ Or was it during hearing the Good News and believing. Since the angel said the family would be saved by the words they heard and if Peter never actually started speaking the Holy Spirit therefore has nothing to do with salvation. However if we assume the Holy Spirit came and then he gave the speech believing in that would save them. In other words you have to believe that people can have the Holy Spirit without believing and in fact not be saved at all. But the article says that it was the baptism after that saved them I think is what he's saying. So you can have the Holy Spirit and go to Hell because you weren't water baptised. The end of the article it seems like he gives Bible verses supporting water baptism is entryway into the Kingdom (not Jesus apparently) but he only gives one verse the other two have nothing to do with anything, I could come up with better verses for his standpoint so that's strange like he doesn't bring up the Peter one. It's important to post the rest of Acts 11: "Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." It's hard to understand but possible Peter is actually saying they received the Holy Spirit when they believed in other words he was giving his speech while it happened. https://biblehub.com/acts/11-17.htm And it is because of this gift holy spirit baptism over the baptism of John that the Jews say they have repentance unto life. What's this really all about? Is water baptism necessary for being "officially saved" is it on the check list on judgement day. Oddly Jesus and Revelation never says go away ye unbaptised into eternal punishment. Acts 19 also has a part about baptism https://www.biblehub.com/acts/19.htm https://www.onegodlogic.com/false-doctrine-saved-by-water-baptism.html https://www.biblehub.com/1_peter/3-21.htm Peter here is saying the water from Noah's flood is the antitype/symbol/foreshadowing of baptism which is saving us. Then he calls this baptism not the cleaning of the body that the Jews are used to but an inner decision. You have to have an inner change but does that mean the actual water is still necessary? What if when someone was taken underwater but their hair floated they didn't get a full body immersion are they unsaved because no one noticed? The water immersion ritual is very important in the New Testament. I don't see it being necessary for anything but very good for everything. I think people have a case like Calvinist have a case but in the wider understanding of the Bible rather than trying to zero and picking at one verse and the interpretation over it, I don't know. Much like I believe baby deaths go to Heaven. Jesus says let the Children come to him, you have to be like a child to come to the Kingdom of God or such is the Kingdom that the children come. A child death is a tragedy on Earth, but God uses all evil for his good and I'm sure he loves receiving another child that hasn't been tainted by the world, commit all the abortions and evil you want God still has victory in the end another treasure for the Kingdom much like he used Pharaoh's hardness. Jesus says wouldn't you essentially break the sabbath to save someone stuck in a well. And that people will be judged on what they are given their situations and opportunities. God is not a robot "You tiny baby never got baptised or knew the full historical events of Jesus to Hell with you." I think the article is not quite right. You really have to assume the Holy Spirit came to these people before hearing the good news and then Peter gave a speech in which he says to believe on Jesus for the remission of sins and then baptises them and despite the angel saying to the Roman he would hear the words by which he will be saved, I guess the words were that you need to be baptised by water and not about the good news of Jesus. But clearly Peter was giving his speech they heard and believed and by those words is what the angel was saying would save them.
>>15961 And also I'm a moron because like the dummy who wrote this article I missed the obvious: "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word." (The YLT says "hearing the word" which is because he puts everything in present tense but it really would have the same effect anyway and I'm still confused about the present tense argument for Bible translation). "fell on them which heard the word." The "Logos" HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder if Holy Spirit came before or during/after the speech. They heard about Jesus and received the Spirit. Though his main argument I guess is still that "Well the Holy Spirit isn't enough to save you." Which just think about that really. And the brash statement that this had nothing to do with their salvation which he only says as a "shocker statement" Of course it has to do with their salvation! After this event what does Peter himself say at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15: "Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith." "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." I do agree with the article on the fact that Paul and everyone in the New Testament constantly water baptised people instantly. The absolute failure of modern Christians to baptise people. It is part of the great commission right along side preaching the good news. If someone wants to be baptised get your stupid butt to the nearest river, it's your duty. It's their duty to make a commitment. I've seen churches want people to fill out forma or read weird textbook things about baptism and fill out a bunch of questions and it's like an academic assignment I'm serious I've seen this, the college kid culture is ruining our world. Don't make people wait months and have a bunch of Church cameras and this whole big thing. Paul would preach to hundreds of people, afterword a few came up and believed and he baptised them in water and introduced them to the assembly, that's what we see in acts. They heard about Jesus for the first time in their life and Paul thought good enough to baptise them, some people in the New Testament got baptised probably never even hearing about what baptism was before that day. The way it became treated I think is part of the reason of thinking it's something that it perhaps isn't and that every reference to water and immersion is speaking of it.
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why dont christians build QI? Not even yoga or qigong sequences,just static poses like horse stance,etc. Its the best workut,much better than squats for example(breath-taking excercise damages mytochondria;static isometric doesnt). qi is part of Semen Retention. a "celibate" man(ie; a powerful warrior of semen retention)should honor his own self and do sanching,full lotus etc.
Personally I was taught that physical exercise is body worship and christians shouldn't engage in it.
>>16002 that satanism,it aims to make christians hierarchically inferior on society
>>16002 >physical exercise is body worship and christians shouldn't engage in it. But the body is the temple...
>>16001 >>16001 Because Christians cultivate grace instead. In eastern religions physical exercises are to cultivate the body and the mind or to orient ones inward disposition through symbolic actions like how a Christian would kneel to show humility, they're not a end in themselves.
>>16003 Christians can still do manual labor it's just that exercising to be a better athlete or to look beautiful is sinful. Also eastern traditions like yoga quigong are forbidden but I don't think that was ever explained to me why.
>>16002 given that many jobs in modern life lead to sedentarism, its good to maintain the body healthy through exercise. It would be idolatry if you do it to attract hoes.
Please recommend me music that sing the psalms
>>6836 why cant christhians have the same opinion? every nomination says the others are heretical and going to hell even when they mostly hold the same positions and claim that all of them have the holy spirit, why is this? are we going to hell? reading 1 corinthians 1 10 seems like it
>>16055 Because some so-called christians deny the trinity and other so-called christians deny the words and deeds of Jesus Christ lots of so-called christians still follow pagan cults e.g. Ishtar If people followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and believed in the Trinity and NOTHING ELSE we would be 100% fine and united. but the devil sows discord and makes mens hearts fill with pride. Plus lots of people are essentially gullible and stupid and reprobate and have not been elected/chosen/predestined for salvation
if you're not an evangelical calvinist, you are literally doomed to hell and theres nothing you can do about it unless you cut off your friends and relatives, sell your belongings, donate the proceeds to the poor, and move to moravia for bible studies
>>16058 is that a question
>>16002 What about pelvic floor exercises?
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>>16063 >The Lord of hosts has planned it, to defile the pride of all beauty, To despise all the honored of the earth. Isaiah 23:9 >Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised. Proverbs 31:30 >All flesh is like grass, And all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, And the flower falls off 1Peter 1:24
>>16012 if you exercise you will eventually look beatiful and reciprocate the attention, if you exercise just to be better at manual labor thats the same as being a better athlete
Does the Ethiopian Church actually venerate Pontius Pilate as a saint? I've seen that claim posted around on the Internet without much citation and finding a wealth of information of Ethiopian liturgy and hagiology in English is difficult.
>>16077 I don't see why becoming a better athlete or being better at your job is inherently a sinful act. If it's done for the sake of vanity, then I could see how it's sinful, but otherwise improvements in our muscular ability is just another function embedded into how our bodies work.
>>16082 I don't see how this is so difficult for you to understand. Why have you twisted the scripture into "I don't see why becoming a better athlete or being better at your job is inherently a sinful act?" The scripture did not say exercise is sinful, it says "For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come." - 1 Timothy 4:8. This means that ones time is better spent reading scripture, working, being charitable, etc. Exercise is vanity. The Bible did not say building strength for the sake of improving job performance is sinful. Again, why have you twisted scriptures that are very clear on this subject? Is it perhaps because you want to justify your vain activities? Meditate on this.
>>16084 I've not twisted the scripture, and I don't understand your reaction. I've already said I would understand if exercise was done for the sake of vanity, not that exercise is inherently sinful. I think your conclusion of conflating all exercise with sin isn't well founded. I didn't even call on a particular verse, or even allude to the idea of my word being scripture. I'm responding to your words and your conclusions aren't scripture.
>>16085 It just wants to trap you in a never ending circular argument until you feel "bad" or unworthy.
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Is killing communists ratsach/phoneuó? Where does each commandment begin and end? As in, what is the first commandment, what is the second commandment etc.
I think it's just because eastern traditions focus on attaining enlightment. They believe that they have to get there by themselves so they focus on selfish pursuits like isolating themselves and preparing their bodies but christians realise that what is truly impotant is what happens AFTER you die not the silly little lifetime "achievements" that modern world is so focused on but also we know that we do have a shepherd to lead us the right way so why should we seek for it?
>>16085 Nowhere in my post did I draw the conclusion "conflating all exercise with sin." I called on a particular verse which explicitly says "exercise profiteth little." Once again you are twisting my words to say I made the claim that "exercise is sinful" when it was never said. > I'm responding to your words and your conclusions aren't scripture. I posted the verse I referred to. >your conclusions aren't scripture. My conclusion was >one's time is better spent reading scripture, working, being charitable, etc. Exercise is vanity. >>16066 has already posted other verses that state this. My claim that one's time is better spent on godliness (eg. reading scripture) is directly supported by the verse I quoted. >I don't understand your reaction I understand yours. Just look at some of the posts in this thread: >>16068 >>16069 >>16082 These are not posts made by someone who has the Holy Spirit within them. Does the Bible say you should be gluttonous and not take care of yourself? Absolutely not. The body is the temple. However to spend one's time focusing on appearances is vanity. One should not defile or abuse the body, if you spend a lot of time at the computer it may make sense to get a bit of exercise. People had to do a lot more manual labor than typing on a keyboard when the Bible was written. >Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. - 1 Peter 5:5 The Lord does not judge us based on our outward appearance: >But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. - 1 Samuel 16:7 >>16086 >trap you in a never ending circular argument >until you feel "bad" or unworthy How might that be? "It?" I am a human being, you know. Are you saying someone is meant to feel bad because of an unattractive appearance and that I am supporting being unhealthy, or are you saying something else? Don't let me put words in your mouth, feel free to explain where you are coming from. >Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour - 1 Peter 5:8
>>16068 Then keep in mind that Lucifer was the most beautiful of angels.
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>>16090 >One should not defile or abuse the body, if you spend a lot of time at the computer it may make sense to get a bit of exercise If this is your position then I don't have much to say any response, other than you're mistaking me as someone I'm not.
>>16092 If your job is computer work for example one will probably need to do a bit of exercise to remain healthy. To do so for the sake of appearances and to be liked is vain, but personally I do not consider it an grievous sin except maybe in extreme cases.
>>16086 >It just wants to trap you in a never ending circular argument until you feel "bad" or unworthy Good! You should listen to it more!
The bible says that your body is God's temple, which is why getting tattoos or peircings or getting fat or letting yourself go is an insult to God and his divine creation. Likewise Jesus tells us that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us. Therefore I would argue that bodily exercise and meditation is totally encouraged by the actual words of the Bible. As long as you love God with all your heart and mind - all else will make sense.
>>16104 But what is the objective standard beyond a general intuition? How is it not just some social construct people participate in through mass hysteria?
>>16081 > Pontius Pilate as a saint I believe the Ethiopian Church assign June 25 to both Claudia and Pontius. Orthodox and Roman Catholics view only his wife as a saint. However, some do view him in a more favorable light, as he did find no fault in Christ and attempted to free Him. He left the decision to be settled ultimately with the Jews.
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>>16109 >the earth isnt hell or a prison we humans are supposd to thrive.. THRIVE! We are supposed to receive whatever our Lord prepared for us whether good or bad. You don't deserve anything.
>>16087 It is justified (a moral obligation even) in all cases and under all circumstanced to kill communists. They are the enemies of both God and man.
Can those that have passed on watch us from heaven? Can they see what we're doing at any moment in time just like God?
Do you know any books about Norse Paganism from a Christian perspective?
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I was reading through the JoyOfSatan for a laugh and i found this, https://archive.ph/7gV5s >The exact mechanism of the curse is mysterious and complex. In theory the Pulsa de Nura curse should be initiated by 10 rabbis fasting. On the third day of the fast they stand in a circle around the Torah scrolls, a ram's horn is blown and the curse is placed on the offender. How do we explain this? i though the Jews didn't take the OT seriously or literally, can practitioners of magic use the New Testament to curse people without it actually contributing, because than it wouldn't mean that the Bible would lend itself to spiritually attacking someone? Obviously i don't believe in Satanism but this finding is very strange.
Where do priests come from? Does there need to be an unbroken chain or can any sufficiently learned, faithful and motivated become one without an Earthly organization approving him as one?
>>16190 >Where do priests come from? They come from a tradition of men which developed a few centuries after the Lord as a consequence of the overemphasis of the sacrificial (though not propitiatory) nature of the Eucharist. >Does there need to be an unbroken chain or can any sufficiently learned, faithful and motivated become one without an Earthly organization approving him as one? In all cases the ordination of elders is from heaven and not man. Under ordinary circumstances it is necessary that he be ordained by an ordained elder through the laying on of hands, but under extraordinary circumstances in which there are no ordained elders available to the congregation nor is there any reason to believe there ever will be it is acceptable for those whose call is manifest to the congregation to adopt the ministry without proper ordination.
https://archive.ph/9OUqy >Despite all this, an article in the religion supplement of the independent ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) weekly Mishpacha recently claimed that there is, in fact, no such thing. The two authors of the article, Dr. Dov Schwartz of Bar-Ilan University and Haredi activist Moshe Blau, spoke at length with three high-ranking kabbalists, and received the answers: "I don't know of it," "I've never heard of any such thing," and "There is no such curse in the Torah." I don't know what to think, the same site says the curse doesn't exist lol. and when you look up the Pulsa Denura there isn't any mention of the Torah.
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"jews are the seed of satan" - God satanism is real. it's mostly called luciferianism now. And the main practitioners are jews. https://www.frenschan.org/r/index.html
>>16194 >Saturn is the Roman god of wealth and agriculture >And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
what is giving fruits? the guys from my church are telling me to start playing the drums so i began to bear fruit but i dont think thats how that works also, they are telling me that bearing fruit and no one sees them they doesnt count is it that correct?
>>16198 Good fruits means growing in charity, love towards god, the church, society and neighbour, and since we live in the world our charity will manifest itself in our interaction with it. As to them saying your charity has to be witnessed, that isn't true strictly speaking only God need witness you, he is always watching. I think Matthew 6 is very apt in this occasion.
>>16192 Do you mean the Talmud? Of course there isn't any mention of it in the Torah, the Torah refers either to the Books of Moses, or to God's law, and this is Jewish sorcery. Under the torah, use of this curse is in fact a death penalty offense. I wouldn't expect to find it in the Talmud either because that is a compendium of Jewish tradition. Their sorcery book is the Zohar.
>>16194 >>16197 Please don't derail. >>16201 The article says the Torah. Supposedly it's a Kabbalah curse that uses Torah scrolls.
If someone is homosexual but also homophobic does it cancel out to being normal?
>>16252 Our God cares very little how "homophobic" you are, He desires righteousness. He knows not what a "homosexual" is, are you a sodomite? Then you are guilty of abominations which He despises, but either way you are under His wrath until you repent and believe, for all have sinned. A Christian man is not to define himself by his sins or by his temptations, the idea of a "sexual orientation" is a modern fancy with no basis in reality.
Brothers (and sisters?) in Christ, hear my woes and please reassure me. I believe in God. Some years ago, I made a prayer to God that He would make it so that I would not marry. I am now regretting this prayer, although I fear it may be granted. Is there any way of taking back a prayer? Or do I have to pray for marriage double-hard to counteract the original prayer. I know its in the Bible and John Chrysostom said also that it is good for a man to not know a woman carnally and to not marry. Indeed it was out of a desire for mortification of the flesh that I even made my prayer, which came from my heart, for me to never marry. But I don't know what is right and it seems cruel to betray my family and withhold grandchildren/great-grandchildren/nephews/nieces from them. As an aside I dont think I ever will be able to marry anyways because of a significant lack of christian girls available to me, but God answers honest prayers and I honestly prayed that I would live a solitary life, and now I'm realising that may have been a drastic act.
Help me debunk this https://infidels.org/library/modern/matthew-ferguson-gospel-authors/ Yes i know it's a secular website, that's not a good argument.
>>16276 Well why are you reading it? The first fundamental error is that its main argument constitutes an appeal to authority, "most scholars say [X], therefore [X] is true". It is in fact the greatest irrelevance what anyone merely declares on the topic, and not to be taken into account. Also note how they poison the well in defining themselves and their position as "scholars" and "scholarly", and their opponents as "apologists". The next error is that its argument constitutes begging the question, as it makes the argument "the Christian gospels are based on a Christian worldview, therefore they are illegitimate histories". This argument, much like the previous one, is more to be mocked than refuted. While that statement alone is blatantly absurd and invalid reasoning, what lies behind it is a far more pernicious point, since it essentially faults the Christians for not being atheists. What they demand of us is that we first abandon the Christian worldview, then adopt the atheist one, and only then may we speak. We deny that the gospels or any book of scripture is a mere human work to be regarded as mythology and legend, and we affirm that God and the supernatural do indeed exist and we are wholly unwilling to pretend otherwise under any circumstances. Next, it asserts that the gospels "are not historical in their genre, purpose, or character". This is false, and the appeal to authority is once again rejected. Concerning their genre, they are not written as proper histories like say the works of Livy, rather they are specifically biographies and the genre they fall into would be accurately described as Greco-Roman biography, compare them for instance to the Socratic dialogues. They do not however assert that the works of Plato are ahistorical fabrications of foreigners in a different language without relation to the events described for the purposes of establishing a (false) philosophical system, since unlike with Christianity they have no stake in denying the truth claims of Platonism. We should always keep in mind that in spite of what the atheists will pretend the driving force of their skepticism is the intent to remove God from the world. With regard to the gospels' purpose, the assertion that their clearly religious purpose disqualifies them as history is the very question begging that we previously rejected. Finally, as far as their content goes, this is no friend to the atheists. Unlike the spurious Gnostic gospels which were actually composed centuries later, the authentic gospels constantly give an accurate account of the geography and population of Roman Judea as well as the surrounding area. To my knowledge there is not even one scholar who disputes that the four evangelists are well familiar with the place and people of which they write. Nor is there one who will deny that they really are works of the first century (and the now few who still insist on a late dating for John are still forced to go no further than the first decade of the second century, the evidence simply being too compelling to ignore without disqualifying one's scholarship). Regarding internal evidence, it is present, but it is not the primary evidence since the gospels were written in the context of the primitive Church, where there were few people, all of whom knew the apostles personally. Mark did not need to attach his name to his gospel because when he sent it to those whom he first sent it to they would have understood they were receiving something from Mark. Now for examples of internal evidence, it is particularly strong in John (again to the shame of the anti-Christian scholars), for example neglecting to refer to himself by name, and the fact that the author of John is clearly the same as that of the epistles and Revelation of John, which claim Johannine authorship explicitly. As for why they do not attach their names to the work where nearly all the other books of the New Testament claim an author, do we not notice that they are also the only gospels in the New Testament? Is the fact that they are the only biographies of Jesus Christ to be ignored, as if though everything in the New Testament was the same genre? If your purpose is simply to disqualify the gospels in order to establish your own actually false atheistic religion, then of course everything which is not helpful to that goal is to be ignored. But it seems clear to me that the reason why they do not insert themselves into the gospels is because their purpose is not to glorify themselves, but Jesus Christ. I briefly note the pretzels our adversary twists himself into regarding the titles attached to the gospels because it is humorous to see the desperation. Apparently, in his crippled mind, the words "the Gospel according to Matthew" is a denial that Matthew wrote that gospel. He also asserts that when the earliest church fathers quote the gospels they do so without naming them, and therefore they were received as anonymous. This is absurd and laughable. The vast majority of scriptural quotation both in the New Testament itself and immediately after is done without naming the book. Are we to conclude this means that every single book of the bible was "circulated anonymously"? If the books were without authors and came from who knows where, why would they have given them any attention at all, let alone quote them as divine scripture? And the rest of his discussion of their traditional titles I ignore, because it is irrelevant and silly. The external evidence of the gospels' authorship is very dominant. It was always recognized by all Christians in every age, since these gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and those who received them knew it. Consequently in the later writers it is not a matter of dispute or confusion. To demonstrate the point briefly I cite the example of Hebrews, which is the only book of the New Testament that is actually anonymous. Its anonymity has produced millennia of debate amongst Christians as to its authorship, summed up by Martin Luther, "God knows who wrote Hebrews". So I ask the question which the atheists can *not* answer: if the gospels were anonymous, how did their apostolic authorship come to be universally accepted without controversy? As far as the rest of it goes I will not be reading it, I have better things to do than waste my time on this disingenuous heathen. I just hope that you brothers will be able to see through the absurdities and recognize the lengths those who hate Jesus Christ will go to in defaming Him, such as when he boldly asserts that Justin treats the gospels as anonymous while simultaneously quoting his actual identification of the authors as 'apostles', or his amazing interpretation that Matthew's text is inconsistent with his attribution because it is familiar with the text of scripture.
>>16281 Thank you very much for the reply. >Well why are you reading it? I was talking to an atheist, and i posted Papias A.D. 125 and Irenaeus A.D. 180. as contemporary source for the bible. and he posterd this link to that secular site to show that Papias was just repeating things that were handed down to him. He didn't know any of the apostles, is that true about Papais?
>>16289 No, it's not true. Papias himself says he learned personally from John. Irenaeus corroborates this as well, using his mentor Polycarp as the source. In fact Papias says that John is the one who told him that Mark's source for his gospel was Peter.
how can i debunk the oness pentecostal? they are close to me and are getting anoying
>>16290 How do you know this, do you have a source?
>>16293 Familiarize yourself with the scriptures which distinguish Jesus and the Father, especially which do so before His birth (John 17 and Philippians 2 being of special note for that purpose).
>>16297 Thank you very much.
>>16289 Pro-tip a great many people online are pseuds that never read primary sources and get their information from third-hand Wikipedia articles, fourth-hand Youtube videos, and fifth-hand memes.
I don't suppose anyone here knows any books from the Christian perspective about how every non-christian religion is satanism besides the bible?
>>16310 Other religions are their attempts at finding truth. It is believed that especially mediterrenean religions such as hermeticism and hellenic religions existed to prepare people for the coming of Christ and his teachings which is why he showed up there.
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>>16311 Christ came in the 'fullness of time' The Romans prepared the way in regards to civil society which would become the root of civilization and the Greeks had reached intellectual maturity and made philosophy into a science.
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>>16311 >>16313 >paganism good
>>16315 >Doesn't the bible teach anywhere love your own people and to physically oppose evil? Yes. The verses that subhumans like those love to quote out of context to blaspheme the Lord are specifically for Christians suffering persecution; do not resist evil, as in, do not take up arms and try to Jihad the nation into submission, He conquers His foes by the gospel which is adorned by our sacrifice. Let the blood of the martyrs be the seed of the Church. "For His sake we are slaughtered all day long" Loving your enemies is defined by scripture, not heathen scum. To love your enemy is to sincerely desire their repentance, for this reason He says to pray for those who persecute us. "I exhort that petitions and prayers, requests and thanksgivings, be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the witness for this proper time. For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and dissension." So it is in fact a command to love our neighbor, to love our people, when we are commanded to love our enemies, because it is they who despise us and our Master and persecute us. I would advise against wasting your time in telling them any of this, because they don't care. Their throats are an open grave, the poison of asps is under their lips, and there is no fear of God before their eyes. They will simply continue to tell the lie knowing full well it is untrue, your breath is better saved for walking uphill. Now in an environment where more than just them might see it it might be worthwhile to refute their lies lest any should be deceived, but in a dead place like that I would just mock them, insult them, show the fruits of their deathstyle, repeat the righteous decree of God that they deserve to die, and finally share with them the only solution to the problem, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ and the promise of forgiveness to all who repent and believe.
>>16317 Well written answer.
are there any source for pre-christian religion all having elements of Satanism including serpent and dragon worship, practice of sacrifice?
They use Kabbalah so maybe.
>>13579 When your only goal is God, you will lose favor with the world. The world will feel cold towards you because it does not desire you to be there. You should not desire to be in it likewise. The Kingdom of Heaven contains greater treasure and good than this life needs. Don't forget that when you suffer for Christ, you are being given rewards on top of rewards in your mansion in Heaven.
>>16608 The Old Testament
>>16261 If we were not to make mistakes and regrets, we would not be in need of God. If God could not forgive you for praying in error or going back on your prayers, how could He forgive you for the sin you had committed? Remember that through you and in you is God's will being done, and God's will is a good thing, leading to His glory and the edification of the church.
>>16647 Thank you brother, the holy spirit is in you and this post
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how do I get the discipline/determination to attend daily mass,or even 2 masses on sundays,when possible?
>>16669 Get good sleep
I love Jesus and stuff but I dont know what sect/denom I should follow? Catholics are obviously corrupted. I think any denom/sect after the Council Of Jerusalem to be tainted by men. Help
>>16691 I would say learn about the denominations and find out which is true or which is less corrupted. Obviously don't follow the compromised fake Christian denoms like Jehovah witness or Mormons.
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Can a catholic prove that Peter was the first pope? Some catholic posted a source for this a long time ago but i lost it, does anyone have it?
>Christianity is slave morality So?
There is no man freer than the slave of Christ.
>>16831 what did he mean by that? Are we slaves of the laws of gravity too?
>>16833 Well the opposite of slave morality is everyone being a master I guess. Then who are the slaves? Are we slaves? Yes we are. The master are rich people sitting on a pile of money. Can everyone sit on a pile of money? I don't think so.
>>16832 /thread
Friedrich Nietzsche could have been a freemason.
People of the west carry a cross. That cross is Christianity. They try to stamp it out but it keeps coming back. When will it go away they say. For better or for worse were stuck carrying a cross.
>>16840 It will never go away, the gates of hell will never prevail against it, that cross will persevere and all who cling to it shall be saved.
>>16839 Nietzsche couldn't have been a freemason since in order to join the masons you must believe in a God (a specific God is not defined). This is masonry 101. So unless he was a member before he developed his anti-theist beliefs he couldn't have joined. Also marx wasn't a mason, in fact he despised masons because he viewed them as enemies of the revolution due to their ties to business. Also I find it ironic that almost every person listed here was a positive player in world history lol. Minus the communists and Nietzsche
>>16843 >since in order to join the masons you must believe in a God (a specific God is not defined). In their literature that vague God is defined as Lucifer the architect of the universe. Atheism works well with satanism. >Also marx wasn't a mason, in fact he despised masons because he viewed them as enemies of the revolution due to their ties to business. Masons can play both sides by pretending to against masonry as well. >Also I find it ironic that almost every person listed here was a positive player in world history lol. What is funny about it? MLK was a Boule, just because they contributed "positively" dosen't mean that they can't be controlled.
>>16844 >The architect of the universe >Lucifer That says more about you than them honestly. >Masons can play both sides by pretending to be against masonry aswell Masons can do alot of things, doesn't mean they are. >What's funny about it My wigga....
There is also a 5 hour version of that chart showing hours of secret society connection https://thepiratebay0.org/torrent/31050622/Exposing_the_Satanic_Illuminati_Freemasons_-_5_Hour_Presentation >>16847 >That says more about you than them honestly. lol. It's a fact that these satanic groups are trying to subvert the world. If i'm wrong then refute the quote naming lucifer in freemasonic literature. >Masons can do alot of things, doesn't mean they are. Gorge Washington warned about freemasonry despite being a Freemason. There is also Jim Shaw who wrote a the a book called The Deadly deception that was against the freemasons from a freemason.
>>16851 My point was that you are calling the "architect (aka creator) of the universe" Lucifer, which tells me more about where your head is then the alleged literature of a bunch of supposed satanists who have done nothing but protect and uplift human society practically since their inception. >George Washington warned against freemasonry Ok, proof? Because I highly doubt masons would plaster paintings of him all over their walls if he actually made these supposed warnings about their cause >There is also Jim Shaw Who?
>>16852 >My point was that you are calling the "architect (aka creator) of the universe" Lucifer, which tells me more about where your head is then the alleged literature of a bunch of supposed satanists who have done nothing but protect and uplift human society practically since their inception. You misunderstand me, the freemasons call their God, the architect of the universe, the creator, as lucifer not me. They have probably done good deeds but their ultimate goal is a new world order. From Thanks For The Memories ... The Truth Has Set Me Free! The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Slave-Brice Taylor Trust (1999) >During the 13th Century, the Roman Catholic Church increased and solidified its dominion throughout Europe with the infamous Inquisition. Satanism survived this period of persecution, deeply entrenching itself under the veil of various esoteric groups. In 1776, a Bavarian Jesuit by the name of Adam Weishaupt was commissioned by the House of Rothschild to centralize the power base of the Mystery Religions into what is commonly known as the Illuminati, meaning "Enlightened Ones." This was an amalgamation of powerful occultic bloodlines, elite secret societies and influential Masonic fraternities, with the desire to construct the framework for a "New World Order." >Ok, proof? Goege Washinton warned about the illuminait infiltrating the freemasons. During 1798 a Reverend, G.W. Snyder, wrote several letters to George Washington warning about his concerns of this infamous Secret Society known as the Illuminati penetrating into the United States Masonic Lodges. He sent Washington a book exposing this group and their intentions outlined by John Robison, entitled Proofs of a Conspiracy. “The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstandings, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati.” >Who? The freemason who wrote A deadly deception exposing what happens in freemason rituals. He claimed to be a 33 degree freemason but who was only found to reach the 33 degree https://www.travelingtemplar.com/2019/08/anti-mason-jim-shaw.html
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What is the /christian/ stance on christian furries and the furry fandom in general, alot of christian furries face persecution for holding christian beliefs, anti-lgbt and anti-race mixing stances, should we welcome the furry folk to our communities. Definition of furry >The furry fandom is a subculture interested in anthropomorphic animal characters.
>holding christian beliefs, anti-lgbt and anti-race mixing stances based
>>16955 Dressing in fursuits isn't respectable attire. I also feel it could be disrespectful to the way God made you to be dressing as a furry depending on one's motivation for doing so. Even with that aside, the whole furry 'subculture' that arose from the internet is bad and shouldn't be partook in. Not to mention the way they draw characters sucks
>>16955 >>16955 Being a furry isn't necessarily bad, but it's kinda on the edge of what is acceptable, especially if it becomes a sexual fetish since beastiality is condemned as a abomination by the Bible. >And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion. But in their defence someone might say: >but furries aren't animals Fursuits and cartoons are icons of beasts so if someone directs their lusts toward it they commit 'beastiality of the heart' >Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. >"Peter said, "Explain the parable to us." "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man `unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man `unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him `unclean.'" Furrieism can also be a sign of reprobation: >For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. It is licit but it's not prudent to participate in furryism. >All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
>>16956 >>16976 >>16981 Furries are based and ChristPilled
Everyone who suffers for faith is a martyr and deserves highest praise and respect but I fear that being a furry is bad for their mental health.
>>16988 st. Guinefort pray for us.
Degenerates
Catholics can't use contraception, but can they use other methods to avoid pregnancy, like natural family planning or "pulling out"? I'm not a Catholic, I'm just kinda curious about this
>>17183 Bible says children are a blessing from the Lord, Anon
>>17184 You're getting off-topic. I asked about whether Catholics can use methods to avoid pregnancy that aren't technically "contraception", not about whether the Bible says that children are a blessing from the Lord. And I asked out of curiosity, not because I'm a Catholic who wants to have frequent sex but have few/no kids.
>>17200 Holy h*ckin based! I will recommend this to all parents who have children with autism.
Why do I feel social anxiety when I go outside? I say one thing and do another.
Find out what gives you anxiety.
>>17209 I think people know what I post on the internet irl
>>17210 Serious question do you have paranoia? Because even if you were doxed people wouldn't know what you posted on an anonymous board, unless you posted it under a name that can be linked to you.
>>17211 I think I do. I even hear voices coming from the AC...
>>17212 Go see a doctor to prescribe you anti-psychosis medication.
>>17213 enjoy your tardive dyskinesia
Sounds like prodrome schizophrenia, get to a doctor asap
>>17214 I have been on anti-psychosis medication for years and have never gotten that.
>>16691 "For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." 1 Corinthians 3:4-7 I always think of this scripture when I consider the denominations. Are we falling into the same error?
>>17222 >he took their meds HAHAHAHAHAHA
Consider exorocism
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Why should WE know why YOU feel a certain way in specific situations? I would like to ask instead why do you feel social anxiety when you go outside?
>God makes a deal with the Israelites >Israelites convert gentiles >Israelites fall and break their end of the deal >Gentiles end up keeping the deal better than the Israelites I remember something like this happening in the Old Testament but I'm not sure. Did it?
Acts 19: About that time there arose no small disturbance concerning the Way. For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen, whom he gathered together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, “Sirs, you know that by this business we have our wealth. You see and hear that not at Ephesus alone, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul has persuaded and turned away many people, saying that they are no gods that are made with hands. Not only is there danger that this our trade come into disrepute, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis will be counted as nothing and her majesty destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worships.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__97bi2PTw More helpful than I thought it would be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojhJIG3JolI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k2k0qLFR74 Why does Philo not mention Jesus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sXJl6FpcsQ
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https://pastebin.com/vTfYwxcR I've come here before talking about how the Gospels did not copy each other and Mark isn't first and in fact it's obvious they are all independent accounts coming from one source: reality, witnesses. I wrote a thing that is a bit too big for a post so you can read that if you want. I think it's actually a very important fact. Also explaining why John's Gospel is "different". And I could write an entire book about it. I'm aware many already agree, but many Christians are unaware they've been lied to once again like so many things by the "academic atheist". The PDF about James and Matthew: https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/jbl/1899_144.pdf While I was looking for EVIDENCE that the Gospels copy each other instead I found this which is also good: https://robertcliftonrobinson.com/did-the-gospel-writers-borrow-from-each-other/ Also here's you average college kid fancy presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PrrnhAKFQ I want you to really take note of how he doesn't provide evidence or talk about what documents at the time actually said but instead tells you "Biblical scholars agree." And that's all you really ever have to say. There's are the people so many trust in. Wait... what's that thing I like.... what's the thing... oh yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGDbpg1nG8Y "That's their view of Biblical study."
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Lastly look at this I've made ho ho ho. Still doing the Gospel Harmony then combined with the "Acts New Testament" I will have a continuous New Testament. I'm just about finished reading the left side order. I think John's first letter might actually have been written after II John and III John but for reasons I believe they came before his exile. I'm really excited to read the right side order. Making it I could already tell some interesting things such as I think James is even earlier. So if you want a new way to read the New Testament use my Acts New Testament (No one else's because they're slightly different and therefore wrong) And a sermon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kZs2usWQ-0 I'm not going to bother posting this single thing in the genesis thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmQg5U6FWq8 But it's amazing and I love the ending too and the Lovers will I know.
This is old news now but still funny to see a very clear debunking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ki0CAxc6M
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>believe that: Christ rose from the death and is the savior, etc is this enough to be a Christian/get saved?
>>17381 I've seen people say you can be saved from hell from every possible combination of: Believing, Baptism, Holy Spirit, Discipleship, Predestination. Some will say baptism and believing and that the Holy Spirit isn't what saves you. Some just discipleship and baptism and believing. Every combination has been taught and every combination can be defended by the Bible. Because there's a "Bible verse" for everything if you just want to read Bible verses. This verse says saved from faith and grace no no noooo this one just says baptism and believing, no no Holy Spirit please. Rubbish nonsense ol boy. Maybe a good idea is to believe first of all. Ask, as Jesus says, for the Holy Spirit. Get baptised and be a disciple. Be careful and be following the right path be wise, really think and study and keep in the scripture and things of God. At what point am I saved from Hell? Well you can't save yourself. You can't physically leap into Heaven or out of Hell. That is the one thing you can't do. We believing Jesus and pray and trust in him not ourselves, his heart in place of our sinfulness. You can't work harder to be "more out of Hell." it's 0 or 1. We can work on our salvation from sinfulness here on Earth right now, salvation from Hell is the beginning and something we can't do because its about divine judgement and Jesus we need. We can work on Discipleship on Earth and be very careful not to be led away by false assurances. And that's largely why Jesus focused so much on getting rid of sin but at the same time he says the will of God is to believe in him and who believes in him has everlasting life. Jesus says to cut off your body if it causes you to sin because it's better than Hell but he also saved the thief on the cross for a reason. That willingness to believe and to change(repent). Faith/trust is always put together with repentance/change. A heart to change and be born again. I think you are saved from Hell at a moment of rebirth. It might be a sudden experience or a overall realisation in your life that you had been given the Holy Spirit. You don't need to have the electric fire experience some people have, that's not what Paul said when he said check to see if the Spirit is in you, he lists the fruits of the spirit the change in life not an experience you had that's a lesser blessing to have such experiences and visions, that's Thomas and praise the Shepherd for them I love Jesus. We are going to Heaven because of Jesus. So let's be sin assassins until then I want to be ready when Jesus comes. I don't want my Master to be disappointed. Can you literally sin your way out of salvation, what about deciding to now reject it all and worship other Gods. Yeah maybe I don't know. But for one Israel did terrible things, Peter says if you are overcome after salvation you are worse off. If you are ever willing to turn back that means you are not overcome. Never give up. Paul said in his last letter before death he had kept the faith and fought a fight. That's it. You're not going to lose your salvation one day because you masturbated or smoked after quitting and not "Oooh it's truly over this time." Really? Don't be ridiculous and keep going and believing in Jesus. Are you getting better overall? Keep going for that and that is salvation from sinfulness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y5gsKl8pUg Many Christians get saved and just live a moderate life. I posted Michael Franzese's testimony earlier I think he had a true rebirth as many people do in prison after reading the Bible. But he's not some kind of puritan, he kind of just carries on with his new life. Many people get saved from Hell and are a new person but they're not super stars that study the Bible all day and never watch a movie that has a swear in it and evangelise all day. After Jesus heals the demon possessed man by the sea the man wants to follow Jesus but Jesus tells him to go home and tell his family about him instead. Jesus doesn't need everyone to be a Paul type. Your question should be is it enough to get saved. Because the answer is obviously yes it's enough to get saved from Hell not be saved since it's not about something we have done. And someone can say but I believed and God saved me that is something I've done. How else exactly do you think it will happen. Can you just lie on the grass all day with an empty drooling mind, yes. And maybe God will contact you, and what if you keep ignoring and drooling and rejecting him. Obviously in some way you have to do something there is some personal responsibility on you. But you cannot save yourself. I think if there is a point of being saved from Hell, I personally say the Bible suggests the Holy Spirit rebirth more than anything else like baptism or confessing sins or saying you believe which are all good things. https://www.gotquestions.org/test-yourselves.html I already posted this but I think it is very good very on point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBThrN4QH14 Church today I hope you're all going ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ The bear of going to Church is outside your window breathing on the glass. he's slowly unlatching the window.
Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM Hearing is a lot better than reading rambling text. That's why audiobibles are so important. Most humans are far more accustomed to hearing rather than reading. The modern world can teach everyone to read but hearing is a lot better. And I know Jesus says he will send the Holy Spirit to a believer forever and that is very good and I believe that. But for technical argument we know that "forever" is always conditional maybe. God said many things in Israel were forever which were not forever although you can argue that they are unconditionally forever, like they are signs forever even if they don't exist anymore exactly and so on or were fulfilled in a sense changed. Any issue with assurance (which is now what I want to mention) is from focusing too much on yourself. If we focus on Jesus that's the assurance it's not ourselves that's the problem. But it's good if you don't have assurance when you focus on yourself. You should not have assurance of eternal salvation in yourself but in Jesus. I want to remember every day that I deserve Hell. I do not at all want to ever have a big head where I think I don't deserve Hell and deserve Heaven or deserve anything from God, I'm not relying on myself for that. The person in religious truth walks to be perfected but the Christian difference is the assurance of the Kingdom of Heaven prophetised and come by the historical event of Jesus and trust in him. Overcoming sin is Yoga. Many people want to overcome sin like masturbation but they can be Atheists and have no interest in God nothing to do with God. Overcoming sin by itself can mean nothing. Praying, worshipping, all things can mean nothing. There's a gap between "Look at what I do for God." and "Thank God for what he has done." Two sermons about trusting. I know I have struggled to pray and truly have trust. What if I'm praying for the wrong thing. Stanley's answer is if you are praying for the wrong thing God will show you how it is wrong anyways so you still have to fully trust and believe in every prayer. You have to pray with zero anxiety believing it will happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hk6SAXGM7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlH1muPfeYI That's a hard gag. Please pray any lover for me that I can overcome this crisis of anxiety and trust in prayer. My prayer life is terrible if I'm praying but not believing if I am doubting. I'm worried about praying for the wrong thing I always pray for whatever is best to happen but do I believe it will. What a doubter. ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ !
Mark 12 He began to speak to them in parables. “A man planted a vineyard, put a hedge around it, dug a pit for the wine press, built a tower, rented it out to a farmer, and went into another country. When it was time, he sent a servant to the farmer to get from the farmer his share of the fruit of the vineyard. They took him, beat him, and sent him away empty. Again, he sent another servant to them; and they threw stones at him, wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully treated. Again he sent another, and they killed him, and many others, beating some, and killing some. Therefore still having one, his beloved son, he sent him last to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But those farmers said amongst themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ They took him, killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the farmers, and will give the vineyard to others. Haven’t you even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected was made the head of the corner. This was from the Lord. It is marvellous in our eyes’?” They tried to seize him, but they feared the multitude; for they perceived that he spoke the parable against them. They left him and went away. Not getting lost in the imagery of Parables remember the sheer weight of what Jesus is saying. Jesus is telling the elite some who were probably members of the Sanhedrin the ruling Judean leaders and highest of the religious righteousness men he's telling them God is going to kill them and give what they have to someone else. Their entire system, their religion their traditions and laws and rituals and practices are going to be destroyed replaced and given to others. And they understood right away what he said and the only reason they didn't kill Jesus immediately is because of the crowd. And of course what Jesus said came true the moment he died even if they didn't realise it at first he did become the corner stone. God in the Old Testament let Israel and the Temple be destroyed to let the world know Israel was under judgement, After rejecting Jesus they got a 2,000 year judgement. And for us remember not to be like the Judean leaders lost in our own religion and exclusivity. There's a reason John the Baptist said don't bother saying Abraham is your father. Gentiles weren't allowed past the court of the gentiles but all the religiousness all the elite Judaism all being done away with. Jesus is the cornerstone not this that or the other doctrine or whatever. Jesus and his commandment is to love, all the law and the prophets hang on that. Let's be sure that Jesus wouldn't speak of our system being torn down and sadly in many ways many churches I don't know he'd be too happy with them. That's what preacher said, obviously he describes it better but I thought it was interesting it's important to remember how serious the things Jesus was saying were, we just read it like it's one thing to the next he says a parable and they try to grab hold of him okay move on. But what he's saying a lot of times is just insane and bold and he's telling them he's the one and they want to murder him for a reason.
And there's a reason rabbinic Judaism came from the Pharisees. You can see rabbinic Jews go on and on. "SEE! The satanic evil Church said that God was finished with Jews! But lo, we have Israel again! We're building another Temple!" Ignoring the fact, why was Israel and the Temple gone for so long? That had a meaning in the Old Testament. If Israel and the Jews are still the entire focus what happened? Nothing changed right. What happened then? It's just as bad as when rabbinic Jews try to dismiss the two comings of the Messiah. They say that's a Christian idea. Meanwhile in order to explain why Messiah is said to come on a donkey and on the clouds of heaven they say "If we're good boys he comes on clouds of Heaven. Bad boys he comes on donkey." And that's based on nothing, they just made that idea up. It's so insane! Jews. Muslims. Evolutionist. THINK for a second. The truth is not secret knowledge it's right in your face if you care. How on Earth did I graduate from High School thinking that when people die they turn into angels. What a WASTE of education didn't learn a thing about Jesus. Kids need to be getting told the truth of this world. It's totally mad. At the same time the truth won't matter to many maybe even most. Do Hindus care that they worship an elephant idol thing? No. The Pharisees knew who Jesus was they just didn't care the truth isn't enough.
A long time ago there was a thread on 8chan's /christian/ about freemasons at some catholic event, does anyone have the news article or some news article of freemasons at Christian events?
>>17402 I don't have the archive but I wouldn't be surprised, lots of freemasons especially in the west are Christians
Christian lovers🤍. Fake 4chan-Christian lovers💜. Atheist lovers💙. God is in control. His entire plan is perfected. It is in fact the case perhaps for so many people that they think God cant' forgive them. Genuinely. And it's hard to even say that out loud it makes me cry. God can forgive you and there's people right now who don't think that. They think they'll never overcome sinfulness. God will deliver you from it. I've been meaning to mention this relation. Shortly after the covenant was made with Israel God had 3,000 of the Jewish idol worshippers killed. Shortly after the new covenant was made 3,000 Jews were saved. And this is a difference from death into life. The harshness of stoning people into gladness of the messiah who came to free the world from its own wickedness. Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses said such and such. Acts 2:41 Exodus 32:28 You can only beat the drum so many times. How many people are being stoned in Israel, you can claim to keep the old covenant all you want. But you're not doing it and you will be judged by that law. We have a lot of time on this Earth to try and let people know about Jesus because I'd say well over 90% of the world doesn't know Jesus. Or do all the things you are ought to do.
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When I was a kid my (Orthodox Christian) mom wouldn't let me play cards because it's "demonic" or something like that, even if it was just for fun and not for gambling or divination (however she did let me play Uno cards). I also remember some other Orthodox Christians from real life being against playing cards. Does anyone know on what is that view on playing cards based?
>>17514 >Does anyone know on what is that view on playing cards based? Superstition
>>17514 Games are sorcery
>>17514 Cards are fine as long as you don't do tarot card readings. Playing card games where you play the role of someone doing magic is a gateway to practicing real magic.
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The idea Paul went to Heaven after he was stoned to death does not fit even though it makes for simple reading. I've also heard it was during his time in Arabia when Jesus was teaching him all things. Or even the vision in Jerusalem. I don't know how we get these ideas. Paul tells us it was 14 years ago, it was during the Acts 9:30 unrecorded rest period of the Church. Just as this rest began Paul was sent to Tarsus for safety because the Pharisees wanted him dead. And the next time his name is mentioned is at the end of the rest period when Barnabas goes to get him, it doesn't say why but says he had to find him. In Acts 11 Luke casually mentions how even after Peter revealed gentiles could also be saved and have the Holy Spirit, many of the assembly at Antioch still only preached to Jews though some came not even from the Jerusalem assembly and preached to gentiles. When the Jerusalem assembly heard this they sent Barnabas and though it's not mentioned it seems like this was a contentious issue being fought, the idea of gentiles in the assembly. Luke adds to this episode saying of Barnabas "For he was a good man" sounds like some kind of Obi-Wan "And he was a good friend." I don't know why it just made me feel like maybe Barnabas was dead by the time Luke was writing this. We can assume Luke wrote Acts before Paul's death but I don't know if Paul was dead Luke may have been too sad to write about it if Theophilus already knew. So Luke appreciated Barnabas for siding with preaching to gentiles which in Colossians we know Luke was a gentile essentially the only non-Jew to have his writings in the Bible. In Acts 15 even though Luke went with Paul the language seems to suggest Luke thought Barnabas and Mark were in the right, that Paul was being unreasonable. Barnabas' letter is from 70 AD but we don't even know if it really was written by Barnabas. And Luke might just not have gone with Paul to Spain or had any need to write about those few last years in Rome. I guess it's more likely Luke probably just never saw Barnabas again after he went to Cyprus I mean this is not the age of cellphones he probably missed him. But the reason Barnabas randomly decided to go find Paul (which as far as we know I guess if Barnabas never did that Paul wouldn't have really ever did anything would he just have stayed in Tarsus.) is because Barnabas clearly liked Paul he's the one who introduced him to the Apostles. Liked him enough to just randomly up and go look for him although have you seen the archaeological sites of these ancient New Testament cities... they're like the size of a football field maybe it wasn't that hard to find him I don't know. "And then they preached in the city of Philippi." Wow to all fourteen people? (I am aware only the city centres are left standing thank you it's a funny 12,000 people still). But also later Disciples at Antioch are told to go get Paul and Barnabas and kick their butt into high gear and do the work they are called to do. So Barnabas could have went out to find Paul by the Holy Spirit in the first place and it seems at least part of Paul being brought up to Heaven was to tell him about his mission. The point is Paul was taken to the third Heaven which is a supremely interesting choice of words that as far as I'm concerned is a statement alone that confirms Paul. The trouble is, Paul was taught by Jesus directly while in Arabia he didn't learn the Gospel from man he talks about this in Galatians his first letter. But that time in Arabia was not when he went to the Third Heaven so did he just learn about his mission in the Third Heaven what was such an event for while he was in Tarsus hiding from the Pharisees. So, yeah even though I like timeline stuff I hadn't done anything into the time he was taken and that is during the Acts 9:30 rest. Paul talks about things which are always in the writings already but when he explains all the celestial and Earthly body stuff I just felt like it comes off as him talking about something he learned in Heaven. The Third Heaven. Not the Kingdom of Heaven and most importantly not meaning outerspace that's another whole thing I'd like to talk about.
>>17540 Where did you find out he was stoned I heard Paul was beheaded by Nero
>>17542 Not his actual death. Paul is stoned presumably to death in Acts 14 and dragged out of the city. Which often is when people think he visited Heaven but it really doesn't match the times. Which only makes it more confusing because we don't really know what happened then at all. This is though a reason for putting things in chronological order because I've seen so many people say that Paul went to the third heaven after he was stoned. But doesn't match the time. Which means when Paul was stoned to death he probably was just resurrected and healed probably before his spirit left or who knows, it's not really expanded on at all and there's also no painting of the Disciples gathered around Paul's body for some reason. I would like a painting of that. And the idea that Paul wasn't resurrected is completely ridiculous. "they stoned Paul, and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead." They dragged out the body only when they thought he was dead, meaning their intention was to KILL him. 1st century people knew how to give a good stoning. Utterly ridiculous to think he was what, in a coma and just woke up and went back in the city. Now I can hear the crier: Paul couldn't have been resurrected because it requires another person, only Jesus was ever resurrected by God alone. The Bible is so quick and so there are so many details just not bothered with. "The Disciples gathered around him and then Paul got up." That's all Luke writes (keep in mind Luke wasn't even there for this event) Clearly the Disciples would have been crying and praying for Paul and so I think from that he is technically brought back. It would still be a pretty big deal but I just find it hard to believe his body was alive. Either way whether he was clinically dead or not I don't care. But it has nothing to do with his second letter to the Corinthians. He was taken to the third Heaven at a different time.
Currently reading this about the connection between the Babylon mystery religions, freemasonry and satanism. It really shows out the satanism of today was the same satanism of babylon times.
Yea, lo, a lot of demonic stuff unchanging has always been around the same idols. God really insults them quite hard in Exodus during the plagues. I've always wanted a version of Playing With The Big Boys but instead of Moses it's Jesus standing in front of the Roman Emperor and there's two goatmen panfluters singing "Jupiter! Apollo! Pan! Helios!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLomnZIvoFs You notice in the movie everything the magicians do involves literal smoke and mirrors. I can't believe this studio went on to make Shrek 5 what a rags to riches story. I have noticed the Egyptian Book of the Dead is very funny. And sounds like utter nonsense kind of like the Mahabharata and everything else. The Bible is a readable history book. When you really get into these multiple idol religions it's kind of shocking to even imagine what they were thinking. We know most of them didn't really believe it but it's weird. Led away by dumb idols nevertheless you were led. Star worshippers like evolutionist sound a lot like the Egyptians with all their millions of years talk. Can't wait for their religious "academic papers" to be put along side the book of the dead in the future museums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJ0omRYj_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyfS1PH8h54 Satan worship sounds like the dumbest thing in the world, why exactly would you be following the obvious loser >>13437 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGmcPtr408Q I'm fine with treating Satan like a joke all his followers are clowns in one big circus leading clown world. Seeing this trailer and knowing about Rick and Morty it feels like the end of humanity. Rick and Morty is possibly the end of human thought. It's the most pathetic nihilist just I hate you I hate life and everyone should just die already show. And that's sad and I will continue to blame our education system for teach kids exactly to think that way and never even opening up the New Testament or any history on the first century about the most important event in history unless to lie about it. You can tell these people have no idea what the devil is or anything about the Bible but they know the pop culture of it. I can see getting into the IRL Lovecraft like groups in a weird way. Such at first fake then real. There's a new type of media based on Egypt which I saw on the internet which I will not name but it was extremely alluring to want to see more of it getting swept away by the culture of deep lore Egyptian religion and all these pretty half dressed women. Dangerous and I think Lovecraft is a product of that kind of getting swept away by it his obsession with Egyptian stuff and black people. Or DawnSomewhere. People in long cloaks kneeling before idols chanting (Not Orthodox Church I mean other people) awaiting the return of the octopuschrist to establish the false enticing Kingdom of Earth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75hQwSJFuXg It's cosplay taken too far. Dressing up at Satan con and having unruly fleshy pleasures. So fleshy. The passions of flesh confused for spiritual enjoyment. AND GREAT CTHULHU SPARES WHOEVER OBEYS! So powerful wow. Having sex with kids? Boy, these guys are tough better watch out they'll call their great Cthulhu on you. (I Kings 18) At noon, Elijah mocked them, and said, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is deep in thought, or he has gone somewhere, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he sleeps and must be awakened.” They cried aloud, and cut themselves in their way with knives and lances until the blood gushed out on them. When midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the evening offering; but there was no voice, no answer, and nobody paid attention. AAAH HA HA HA The funniest line in the Bible aside from the sarcasm of Jesus recorded in John
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We have great days ahead. And great Yeshua the image of God. If you are a sheep of the Lord born from Heaven. "How do I know. Or maybe I am no longer *gulp* s-s-saved. What if I don't keep in the faith." Jesus is in charge of the sheep. He is the door of the sheepfold. That is why he says no man will pluck one from his hands and he is the author and finisher of our faith and Elohim doesn't make mistakes and if you make mistakes the Lord leaves the 99 for the one. You do not need a vision and sounds of bells and whistles. Paul says to observe yourself has their been a change in your life in the way you are not to other people but to yourself have you noticed. Be willing for a change to take place. Keep in the word constantly. Don't pray 1 hour a day you fruit, don't pray 5 hours you bugger be praying constantly that means 24 hours a day. That's the standard. (Proverbs 16:24) Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones. And Christians (also known as sweet honey lovers) Set your eyes on the things of Heaven if it really is your real permanent home after all. Add no more cursing but instead be adding calls of "Sweet honey!" to all your words. And let's not be complainers and depressed or angry or these fleshy things. If you speak the truth than what ill do you need to feel. And the truth is love first. As Paul says love is what summarizes all the commandments. And though you have all knowledge if you don't have love I am nothing. Do all in faith and trust for the only living hope and promise. And be relaxed at peace sweet honey lovers. The sweetest loving Master. If love is his first commandment than how perfect is that love. Be happy in all chastisement and bless God for our sufferings and work and as Clement says a broken spirit the offering esteemed to God who will not turn his face from one such as this. Bless the Lord Jesus, beautiful honeycomb family.
On the other hand. If you don't have assurance in God's promises. If you aren't different from the culture of this world. If you are overcome by sin, flesh, desires, than the Lord not me says you are close to the fires of Hell. If anything but Jesus is the cornerstone of your life, I don't care if it's a Church, Angels, Paul or anyone else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5s92Y2rSU And that's no joke how weak and foolish we are. You will meet the creator and go through the real justice system. I know one who has seen 0.001% of the real world and it's a million times better than this and it is awesome and great in all its directions of love and of righteousness judgement. Revelation speaks of the many endless chances to repent of our evil deeds. And how can we say we have trust without any good deeds. Hypocrite is not a word in English it means actor, performer, show-off. How are we spending our money and how do we speak to others. And if we're not careful then we're doing false deeds. The Lord says he knows people will come to him in their death saying look at all these great deeds I have done for you and they will be sent to Hell. Their hearts are not filled with love nor did they have self-reflection and repentance and repentance is to change. The wrong attitude the wrong time spent. Is there anything that you know is getting between you and God anything that God wouldn't approve of in your life that you know you've been putting off. The first thing that comes to mind get rid of it. Do the thing you ought to do today. Amen? Amen then. Sweet honey by the Lord I receive New Testaments today for family members. I worry and fail harshly to get them to know about Jesus.
I've posted this here of course but there's always people coming by. Sodom and Gomorrah are still there with giant sulphur balls still intact: Gomorrah exploration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7_92sjUcOI Gomorrah uncovered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEJ1sZxjA4 Gomorrah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTjEbNgTQM Sodom and Gomorrah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQl4KaRtef8 These sulphur balls are so pure they are found no where else on Earth and there is no volcanic activity in the area and it's all exactly where the Bible said it happened. Frankly any Atheists who sees this and doesn't awaken has been stricken blind: "Let me at him! let me at him!" It's not written in a scroll. It's not CGI it's right there on location on video and from what I understand no matter how many people visit there there's still more sulphur balls to collect. One day all the evidence will be taken as souvenirs and forgotten about. Likewise Berossus in the 3rd century BC who mentions that people were in his day still scraping off pieces of Noah's Ark for good luck charms. Berossus gives a date like 55,000 years ago for the flood. The Bible is the only Young Earth book and yes Jews and early Christians believed young Earth. Around the same time as Berossus There's a record for the Jews giving a smaller date. No way anything of the boat would even remain after 55,000 years. It's a strange thing why all these early pagan religions were so insistent on these crazy dates, but they do agree as with the Bible that people lived a long time before the flood for various genetic reasons we know now. Crazy long dates, children/made of the stars, Babylon's Next Top Idol. Egypt's religious cinematic universe. When you don't believe in Hell fire and judgement when you don't believe in fiery punishment and all the testimony of the saints who have seen it and of the Lord himself and the Old Testament. Remember Lot's wife, remember what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah. The people burning alive by melting hot sulphur is not a pleasant death. It wasn't a allegorical fire or "that which is separated from God spiritually is that which we call Hell that which is of a lower nature that which is-" No. Real burning fire as real as we see this world.
I think I've asked this before and gotten answers but I can't remember them. Is there any definitive evidence that sex within marriage is only lawful if it is for the express purpose of procreation? As in the man penetrates, nuts, and then immediately pulls out, and anything more than that is sinful? Is sex not a gift from God that a married couple are free to enjoy and explore as they please?
>>17580 The only thing I could think of that would restrict sex to procreation is in Genesis where God commands Adam and Eve to multiply but then of course there's other verses that indicate otherwise. Ultimately I think it's a case of the Biblical balancing act. You have two (seemingly) somewhat conflicting statements and you're just suppose to combine them together and use common sense to figure out the rest.
>>17587 Common sense/previous biblical precedent
>>17580 No, biblically there is very little which is forbidden in marriage. Only that which is already defined as sexually immoral is forbidden. It is explicit in the bible that part of the purpose of marriage is to satisfy the sexual needs of its members (1 Corinthians 7:2-5;9). >>17587 >Genesis where God commands Adam and Eve to multiply It doesn't say anything about doing things which do not multiply
>>17540 Yeah I've confirmed more Paul was taken to the third Heaven while he was at Tarsus, maybe when he was at Antioch but less likely. But it's not the message in Jerusalem mentioned as Paul recalls in Acts 22 that was before going to Tarsus it's far to much of a stretch and it's just not him going anywhere just hearing the Lord Jesus. Paul says he was in the Third Heaven and then calls it Paradise. "Don't you knoooow that this was just another PAGAN Hellenistic influence and the third Heaven was like Venus or something in those days." But then he calls it Paradise and frankly that's a very stupid argument Paul was very much not caring clearly about the Greek/Roman whatever cosmic world view. It is interesting that ancient people saw that the Heavens were shells around the Earth with planets being in each of those shells. In fact I think Dante's Paradise even is like this. Interesting because we actually are surrounded by shells from our viewing of red shifts which completely disproves the Big Bang and expanding universe but that's not what I want to talk about. I would like any evidence that the Old Testament mentions a third Heaven. "Highest Heaven" Incorrect translation it should be Heaven of Heaven look at the Hebrew and Heaven of Heaven is obviously outer space. "Above the Heavens" Yes God's glory is above the heavens in other words it is very high that's what it means. Water above the Heavens means the frozen ice layer surrounding the Universe which we even discovered. Just like how we discovered we're in the Center of the universe, nobody cares it's really amazing. I think STUMP or SLURP or BOLMEE TROLLP whatever they're called doesn't even bother any more because they hate discovering these facts. Depressing to the humanist they say. The Old Testament I don't see that it makes mention of anything beyond outer space. Above Heavens the host of heavens and all their array it's always talking about outer space God's throne is the great outer space. You've fallen from Heaven shining one morning star. Venus, stars, Babylon, outer space. Stretches out the Heavens like a curtain over the Earth. I've looked and when you really look at it I don't see any evidence of any thought of a place beyond outer space in our current thinking. Joshua says God is in Heaven and on Earth. This idea that you can go beyond outerspace into some kind of place where God is hanging out and angels and stuff. I don't see it in the Old Testament I think I've looked at every possible passage that people try to use but really looking at it it's not it. Isaiah says above the stars okay, What about Ezekiel at the throne of God. Ezekiel starts his book by saying he received visions. Visions, that's very different than Paul saying he was "caught up" which the Greek implies a very physical taken away. The same Greek used for Philip when he was physically in whole body taken away by God from the Eunuch. Ezekiel saw visions, frankly does God literally sit on a throne with wheels and fire ahead and stuff, maybe I don't know. But it was a vision he was not taken in the same way. Paul says he's not sure if it was in the body or out of the body again a totally weird new thing only Paul is talking about. He doesn't know if he was a spirit or in his body. Fairly Paul also says 'I must go on to talk about visions and revelations.' But what else would you call it, the whole body and taken up thing is different from Revelation and Ezekiel or even Peter which seem more like the things are being brought to them. Peter had his vision interestingly around this same time which is why certainly maybe part of the experience for Paul was God telling him about the gentiles like Peter's. But why does Paul not go on to explain what he heard and saw if that's all. That is why when Paul says for the first and only time in the Bible "Third Heaven" I think he really knew where he was I think he understood, why? Because he was really there and he's telling the truth. He understood he was somewhere not even associated with the great space of stars or any area within. And if it was a vision brought to him or in a dream, then what's with all this caught up snatched away plucked in the body out of the body talk. Whether there's a clear passage in the Old Testament about a place beyond outer space where God is and it's like a paradise place or something I don't think there is but either way Paul is for once not coming from the Old Testament he is talking about something new and different. The term Paradise. Why would he use that term unless he saw a Paradise. As I said I don't see a third Heaven in the Old Testament I definitively don't see a Paradise location beyond outer space or below the Earth or on the moon in the Old Testament. Christians think they're going to the Kingdom of God the third Heaven. Paul doesn't say the Kingdom of God Jesus' Kingdom why not. Paradise is not really a term translators used in the Old Testament for anything, but the Septuagint does use it 6 times. Once telling the King of Tyre (Satan) he was the delight in the Paradise of God. And then four times talking about the trees of the Paradise of God. In Hebrew these passages say Garden or Eden. Eden means delight probably and so the Garden of Eden is the Garden of delight. Also to note these passages are speaking of it as gone in the Septuagint so it is the Garden on Eden we're talking about. Hebrew is vague but... unfortunately this is all coming from the infamous Ezekiel 31 where Satan is a tree. And frankly I am not Gene Kim so I'm not going to investigated what things like “you will be brought down with the trees of Eden to the lower parts of the earth.” even imply. Gene Kim's video about Satan being a tree is gone from the internet that's sad. Now that's fine that's just the Greek putting the word Paradise there okay. But in the New Testament Paradise is naturally used. Jesus saying today you will be with me in Paradise. This could be referring to Abarham's Bosom but let's say it's the Third Heaven Paradise unless Paradise was also Abraham's bosom which is part of what I'm getting to is Sheol the land of the dead just exists though the Bible never says when or how. God is doing a lot behind the scenes. Revelation says those who overcome I will give to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God. God has created another Paradise. Not the one that man brought sin into and destroyed. So I think in my final conclusion after death people can go to Paradise... “I already knew that.” Yeah I mean this probably was a waste of time wasn't it. But I think the way Paul describes everything is very unique and authentic true and he didn't want to speak of it as Zac Poonen notes because he didn't want the Disciples to throw themselves in the ocean hoping to get there quicker. What's the relation between the Kingdom of Heaven and Paradise. Part of the problem is theses aren't place names “things” they are words. But certainly after death one is taken to a Third Heaven Paradise. I had a crazy idea that after death people are judged and sent either to Paradise or Sheol and that judgment is a moral judgment and then the great white throne judgment is the final judgment of whether by such time the person has come to Christ but it doesn't work because the theft of the cross went to Paradise because of Jesus. When people are raised from the dead in the Bible they don't comment about anything nothing is recorded I wanted to do some look into that. I forget what the point of this was I was just proving Paul used interesting and unique terms. I have more to look at.
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We know Paul of all people interestingly says Adam is similar to Jesus in type. And in a way which he doesn't mention: Adam the ruler of the original Paradise (let's call it) and Jesus the ruler of the new paradise he is the King of, the Kingdom of Heaven? New Heaven and New Earth. Is that the Paradise then, does it already technically exist. I'm worried about getting into time travel. And I know Calvinist friends don't understand time travel so I wouldn't want to confuse them going that way. Sweet honey! So after death you can go to the New Paradise which is the Kingdom of God maybe though why Paradise is used only three times. Either way I think there's no secret new information I've discovered. All I've one is start at ground zero and work up to the facts already known. I would maybe like to understand Ezekiel 31 for myself. And maybe the unseen perhaps entire point of everything, the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Even if you think they're myths that's a weird thing to come up with. What's up with these trees. And a flaming floating sword to guard the tree turning every which way, I'm serious I admit it, sometimes I feel like we really are NPCs in a video game. Both the Masoretic and Septuagint of Ezekiel 31 (we don't have a dead sea scroll of it) Here we have one of many times the Old Testament talks about all men going down to Sheol unconditionally even if they drink water. Well I know a certain kind of water you can drink that does save you from going down into the Earth and yes Sheol is inside the Earth either believe the Bible or don't. It's a literal flaming fire horrible place as in fact we know. We also know of the water below the Earth still coming up. The greatest testimony to the Bible is Genesis when it says the fountains of the deep broke open. Yeah tell me how goat herders in the desert knew about Mid-ocean ridges you absolute IN FACT how did anyone even know about what? Who wrote Genesis. Is divine inspiration real Click here to find out more. I guess the trees of Eden in Eziekl 31:18 are just all the fallen angels with Satan who were thrown down to Sheol but and then in other places there's implication that the angels are stuck in Sheol in chains of human flesh in Jude. Most commentaries by the way are beyond stupid. I understand you can force a connection with historical things. That's sort of the magic of God he is talking both to Satan and the man. YOU OPEN THOSE DOORS! I'm having fun sweet honey lovers as long as Jesus is with me.
A small small thing I was going to say. The Tree of Life I would think is the same Tree of Life in the new paradise. Which also the new paradise is not referred to as a garden though the old paradise perhaps neither I think the Earth was as God said good, the Garden of delight in the land of Eden who knows how big it was probably not very big but the whole Earth was paradise just as the new Earth is paradise but instead of a garden at the centre it's the new Jerusalem. The Garden's location is referenced a lot it's the one few indications parts of Genesis I think were written by the preflood people. Reading Genesis you certainly can't make any of the trees into angels like you can in Ezekiel. They're just trees. Which means the Tree of life was uprooted before the flood. Or it's just a new tree. "Well maybe the Tree and Garden were in a magical place." Okay well why bother having cherubim and a flaming sword protecting it as Adam and Eve went east from Eden. Protect it from what if it's not just on high ground and the Bible does imply the Garden was built on the high ground. 2,500 years the world was before the flood. There's a reason the cherubim and flaming sword was there and the reason it's recorded in Genesis is because for over 2,000 years people could see it. Yet no matter how many dinosaur riding 40 man raids took place they could never defeat the cherubim, and the flaming sword forget about it. It's so great because this is all literally true. And what I'm getting to is at some point a Cherubim looked down at the Chief ruler of the dinosaur riders trying to get to the Tree of Life and said "It's over Cain! I have the high ground!" Where are those movies? Where are my preflood world movies. The movie would start with a black screen and then white text would fade in: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. —II Peter 3:5-6 EEEEEEE you know that sound that plays EEEEEEEEEE I don't know the instrument then slow fade to rambling dirty people in a village. I'm really happy at the moment Sweet Honey lovers. God is really cool. and I think if you just know how cool and awesome he is you just want to be with him and not sin and really see and marvel at what he creates.
Hard to imagine? Hard to imagine living in ancient Egypt with all its weird stuff to. The world that then was it wasn't the same world we can't even imagine it, that's why you have all those goofy "What was the Cretaceous period like!?" video essays and the video is all these weird creatures that they draw based on fragments of bones, ignoring of course all the still living animals that also are found buried with such fossils and I would say we probably are more off than we think with the look of these recreated animals. "How come we don't see evidence in the layers of human activity." There is an answer to this a lot of answers about the subduction plates and but this isn't the Genesis thread. We also do sometimes find it by the way including human bones giant human bones though so it's just ignored but everyone back then was giant just like all the animals were giant. They lived a long time. That's what all our ancestors recorded they recorded these old rulers who lived a long time and a big flood just like the Bible. "I still find it hard to believe!" Well. It's how it is! The earlier parts of Genesis really when you look at it make zero sense to invent many of the things, just weird. Like the long genealogies and random titbits of information "in his age the world was divided." oh, okay.. what? Then we move on to the next guy living hundreds of years, sure must have been easy to keep track of genealogies when everyone almost lived 1,000. Though no one did. Because in the DAY you eat of the fruit you surely shall die and 1,000 years is like a day. And then as wickedness increases over the Earth God says something random, Man's days will be 120 years. Of course in 120 years the flood came but also because of genetic bottlenecking after the flood life spans began to massively decrease and now no one has ever lived past 120 years, there's one claim but it's shady to say the least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people Of course evolutionist would have the same issue when Neanderthals lived for these crazy hundreds of thousands of years or whatever and it's all just guess work and there's simply not enough bodies and definitely not enough remains for that. These were people with bigger brains, tougher bones the wisdom teeth fit perfectly. We're getting worse and worse because that's real science, the law of thermal dynamics no such thing as evolution but there is de-evolution. We live longer not because of genetics and some in the west have gotten taller from healthy eating habits. But the Lord cometh soon before we turn into drooling dumb potatoes genetically corrupted. Job is the earliest book of the Bible taking place before Genesis finishes and it talks about after the dispersal of Babel some men went and dwelt in caves. Answers in Genesis has done a lot of work for putting all the original languages into the original language they came from I think they think Babel God created well I forget the number I don't want to say. There was an ancient religious cult that worshipped the great serpent as the one who would bring back all the languages into one. The original great language everyone will probably speak in Heaven. "Bu..but I want Japanese to exist still waaah!" I'm going to be so happy to lie down when this life is over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc9II-XY12g
>>17580 No, if anything romantic passion is celebrated as in the Song of Solomon.
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I been doing some thinking,and now I want to devote my resources to preaching,evangelization,cathecisim-izing of the Unreached humans of the world; both totally isolated tribes ,maybe under dictatorships or genocide threat(papuan peoples; under indonesian and australian rule,for example). Or people who are in a really really fugged up situation; near-death addicts, late-stage AIDS patients,etc. I would be horrible soul-winner as im rather autistic,but im a catholic so the process of conversion is much more complex and needs step-by-step. what do I DO? im just a rich autist wanting to help souls.
If you're American you must evangelize Americans. America right now is the great Satan and that spills over. Remember St Paul said we're constantly engaged in spiritual warfare.
>>17661 Unbelieving humanity is the great Satan
>>17662 Every corner of the earth has heard about God by now. Why would you put foreigners on a pedestal before your own nation?
>>17663 I don't put anybody on a pedestal but Jesus Christ.
First of all, be just a little more patriotic! Like the user with the 0009af ID suggests, it's very bugman-like to focus more on random people living in mud huts in God knows where than on your own nation. Now, I don't think you'll really help people that much in finding Christ by going door to door like a Jehovah cultist or giving pamphlets to people on the streets or arguing with LARPagans on imageboards or anything like that. I think a better strategy is producing media or art that will make people more open-minded to Christianity. Now, the only kind of media that anyone can produce without any form of bureaucracy or anything are social media posts, like TikToks. But, we're kind of lacking in Christian art nowadays, so this one is preferable. Art takes significantly more time and effort to make than media, but the impact is bigger as well. And by art I mean like novels, comics, music, video games, etc. You mentioned being "rich" so maybe you could even make an indie movie. Now, if you make Christian art, don't market it specifically as being Christian, and don't make its themes too explicit. An example of that is Lord of the Rings. It was marketed just as a cool fantasy novel and it doesn't talk about Christianity directly/explicitly and yet it features "based and Christpilled" themes. Make something like that. I think this post is kind of poorly-structured/incoherent, so, sorry about that. And... that's about it! So yeah, TL;DR is that instead of going to preach "woo-woo-woo" redskins in the Amazon rainforest or something, rather write an book with Christian themes or something.
>>17661 i reside on the CONTINENT of America. thus yes:i am "american"
>>17663 USA isnt a nation,its a bunch of corporations and a military structure
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Creating images of Jesus isn't an idol or a "graven image" right?
>>17698 Deuteronomy 4:15-19
>>17719 You again? You're not going to find a girlfriend by saying you're single on imageboards. We're all male.
>>17719 Ask the Lord for guidance. He may tell you now is not the time to find a girl. He may tell you how to find one. He may tell you to just be patient.
>>17723 Genuine question... what do you mean by God telling me? Like, I'd hear a voice in my head or something?... Again, I'm not asking this in bad faith....
>>17719 Ill be your girlfriend anon :)
>>17724 From personal experience it either comes in the form of a compulsion or things will just happen a certain way. You'll know it when you feel it, otherwise God wouldn't bother.
>>17719 Did you ever read Genesis
>>17741 Not yet.. why do you ask?
i dont masturbate and i dont have sexual thoughts often, but i find difficult to enter that christhian "asexual" state of mind that people like paul had (idk if i can call it that), what can i do to change?
>>17749 Love, marriage, sex, children... those are all very wonderful and beautiful gifts from God... no, they're a necessity almost like food or water... I find it hard to respect people who ignore their beauty and importance, and waste them while so many people yearn for them. And by the way "asexual" is an LGBTP reddit commie term, dont use it
>>17747 It has relevance to the content of your post
Where do glowniggers fit into the word? They retconned Canaan with Israel following the end of WW2.
>>17751 Your trying to speak to terminally online schizos with broken relating functions. Obviously they won't see the value of an intimate relationship between a man and wife. >asexual Who is shilling this board to underage retards?
>>17751 >dont use it bueno... >Who is shilling this board to underage retards? no one lol, didnt found a better term
tfw i met many good and pleasant Christian women and the one that i asked out isn't interested in dating me. Oh well, at least i have a community of like minded Christians that we can take refuge from the encroaching evil.
>>17841 Keep at it anon Jesus believes in you!
Is it wrong to pray imprecatory prayers against yourself?
someone has the link with the christian resourses and sermons recommendations?
use the QTDDTOT >>6836 next time.
I have a genuine, honest to God question. Not some bullshit bait. I'm a trans woman. I've been medically transitioning for almost 3 years and socially for 1 year. I've never been particularly religious but I'd always considered myself Christian because it's just how I grew up. Everywhere I go all I can see is how Christianity and being trans are completely incapable of coexisting. It's always been interesting to me and I was wondering what the actual basis for this is. >if your point is based on me being a man, I'm not and I don't care what combination of chromosomes trimmings and fingernail hairs you give me to sell it >yes, i have a good relationship with my parents and they both love me
I have a genuine, honest to God question. Not some bullshit bait. I'm a trans woman. I've been medically transitioning for almost 3 years and socially for 1 year. I've never been particularly religious but I'd always considered myself Christian because it's just how I grew up. Everywhere I go all I can see is how Christianity and being trans are completely incapable of coexisting. It's always been interesting to me and I was wondering what the actual basis for this is. >if your point is based on me being a man, I'm not and I don't care what combination of chromosomes trimmings and fingernail hairs you give me to sell it >yes, i have a good relationship with my parents and they both love me
>>17953 God made you what you are and you trying to change it is the same mindset that Adam and Eve had when they disobeyed God's orders and indulged in the fruit of the devil.
>>17957 Yes, God made me a woman. I was born in a body that would become male without care and attention and would poison me mentally if I didn't see to it that I was a woman physically as I am in mind and spirit. I would be indulging Satan to ignore the call of womanhood and be in direct defiance of God's plan for me.
>>6836 the bibles says no woman should preach in the church, but also says that we should obey authorities, given that there is some woman preaching in my church what should i do? even the baptized and catholics around me are permiting suc things. should i just make like i cant hear them when they ask me to read or to stand up?
>>17967 That would only put you in a really bad situation. You should listen to authorities first so long as they aren't commanding you to do anything sinful. The issue of women being in positions of leadership, since you see it as one at all, is a battle that should not be fought with disrespecting lay clergy or members of the diaconate. If you really feel so compelled, speak with your rector on the matter.
>>17961 If you're mind is so made up then what was the point in coming here.
>>17961 Just in case you're not a troll. The people behind the transgender movement are against God. You believe that you're a woman because of your subjective feelings which can change, but altering your body is a point of no return. Transgenderism is a dead end road, turn back for it's too late.
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>>17961 I'll assume that you are not baiting/trolling. Well, friend, you probably just have a slightly effeminate personality or autism or bipolar disorder or something like that but social media gaslighted you into having extreme thoughts such as "being a woman in a man's body". Leave social media or any other place where you see tranny propaganda. Also remember that your brain only finishes developing at age 25, so avoid doing irreversible changes to your body before then, especially tranny surgeries and stuff. Regretting having your reproductive system mutilated is way worse than just regretting getting a tattoo. The tranny suicide rate is 41% for a reason. Watch this video (The Detransition Horror Stories of Reddit), and also read the comments https://youtube.com/watch?v=nDAGDwlso1U
Ok real talk I want to become a pastor, I feel called to ministry. However, the bible says a pastor must be the husband of one wife and I have an unusual taste in women so to speak. So the way I see it 3 options are available 1. A bible-believing Christian who knows me well and trusts me might be willing to give me his daughter, and if she is willing to marry and the pastor is willing to marry us then I see no impediment to us being married, but the danger would obviously be enormous even if everyone involved agreed, and the consequences of discovery would pose the greatest risk for the girl to be honest 2. Marry an adult woman, none of the danger but this marriage would most likely be unhealthy and would seem to be a betrayal and exploitation of the poor woman 3. Do not become a minister What do you guys think? What is the best option here?
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>>17973 I just wanted to see if there was a genuine basis beyond just thinking it's icky. Seems not. >>17974 >the people behind the transgender movement are against God. Any proof that being transgender itself is against God, though. I don't care if the people "behind" it are atheist and sniff farts or whatever. >You believe that you're a woman because of your subjective feelings which can change On paper I've exhibited severe gender dysphoria since I was 9 and my parents have said that even before then I would say alarming things. Do with that info what you will. >but altering your body is a point of no return How? Also all the changes that have happened have already happened for me. I've developed all the physical changes I will develop and have gotten FFS, VFS, and am getting SRS soon. >>17979 >social media gaslit me My parents said I "refused to be a boy" from age 4. They took me to a shrink at 9 because my normal talk of wanting to be a woman when I grew up started including saying I'd just let myself die if I didn't. My parents didn't let me use social media until I was 13 and I was too dumb to think of lying about my age until I was 12. >avoid doing irreversible changes to your body before 25 Unironically, I think if I had to have waited that long I would have been significantly unhappier with my life. Before I finally committed I went through life glassy eyed not caring if I lived or died. I let a friend of mine convince me not to do it until I stopped listening to her at 18 and finally took an interest in my own life. As my original post stated I've been on for 3 years and I was on puberty blockers for about 6 years before that. >watch detrans horror stories No, because I'm not a man. I've already seen most of them anyways and they're mostly pathological liars and attention seekers who got them into those situations and now they're attention seeking their way out with more lying. I've even seen one claim their entire vagina ripped open and doctors said they wouldn't operate on her so she bled out but lived somehow. I want you to think a lot about how those detransers in these videos always talk about how others hurt them and how they did nothing wrong even when they made the choice as a conscious adult to take hrt.
>>17981 If you're considering marrying a child, absolutely not. That's really disgusting. It's ironic that I can't give you any scripture but seriously that's an awful thing to even consider. Even if we're talking someone 14 or 15 years old I highly doubt that they can really understand the permanency of marriage. Also why would you even consider marrying an adult if you're so certain it would be bad for both parties especially since marriage is permanent. Do you even really understand the concept of forever? The answer is easily don't become a minister if marrying is so important. Don't hurt an innocent women and absolutely don't hurt an innocent child. That last option absolutely deserves death.
>>17983 >It's ironic that I can't give you any scripture Yes, that's certainly one word for it
>>17984 Anon, surely you're not implying that it's ok to marry children.
>>17981 If you're not clear then it's hard to give opinions. By >I have an unusual taste in women so to speak and >the girl contrasted with >adult woman do you mean that your taste is to girl-children, as >>17983 thinks?
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>>17984 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.
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>>17982 First of all, accept that you're bottom-of-the-barrel delusional if you genuinely think that you are a woman. You're just... lunatic. I'm doing a large favor by continuing to argue with you. And by the way, don't you think it's kind of dumb? I might have some problem. There are millions of people like you, yet I'm dedicating so much time to argue with just 1 of the millions. So, please, do a favor too, and put your feet on the ground (as they say in my country, not sure if that's an actual English expression) before reading what I've wrote. Now, are you sure you don't have OCD, autism, borderline personality disorder, bipolar disorder, or anything like that, or maybe just an effeminate personality? Well, if you don't, then just like you say you might have the body dysmorphic disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder . >For many people with BDD cosmetic surgery does not work to alleviate the symptoms of BDD as their opinion of their appearance is not grounded in reality. It is recommended that cosmetic surgeons and psychiatrists work together in order to screen surgery patients to see if they have BDD, as the results of the surgery could be harmful for them. This perfectly describes it. And like, do you really think you will be happy if you do the genital mutilation surgery? Do you think you will be happy after that!? Your axe wound will never be like the sublime God's creation called vagina. It will be just a disgusting rotting open wound. Your body knows better than you and it will try to heal the wound but you'll further go against nature and try to prevent it from healing by inserting a foreign object, a "dilator", in there every week. It will be far messier and more disgusting than the digestive tract, which faggots love so much. And it will have none of the female reproductive functions... at the cost of permanently losing your male reproductive functions too! It's a lose-lose, unless you're an anti-natalist! And even if you're one and you don't plan on having a family know that you won't even have a romantic partner. If you don't spend millions, you'll only look about 75% female, and if you do spend them, no more than 90%. You might have woman clothes and big breasts and long hair and make-up and maybe a few curves but you will never have the same bone structure, etc and that's easy to spot. Like, mentally sane men would just find you a gross crossdresser unless they're faggots, but even then faggots are incapable of loving, they can only lust, as it's proven by the fact that they literally have hundreds (and literally 10% of them at least 1 thousand!) of sexual partners in their lifetime, so don't expect having a long-term romantic partner or spouse. And about dykes, even if some of them would fall for the illusion, they still have the same problem as faggots of not having stable romantic relationships. So yeah, you'll be always alone except during occasional sex... and even during sex, I doubt anyone would put any part of their body into your axe wound, and even if they did, it would physically hurt you a lot. And of course you'll always be hurting emotionally and you'll never achieve happiness by doing cursed self-mutilation surgeries... like, the doctors aren't your friends, they know you won't be happy, but they'll trick you into thinking you'll be so that they can make more money... You'll either live depressed your whole life and die alone, or kill yourself like 41% of trannies do. Before you say "but the suicide rate is 41% because we are muh oppressed", know that there are more, using lefty language so you understand, political/sexual/religious/racial minorities that are "oppressed" and unaccepted by society far more than trannies, yet I've never heard of any group like that having a suicide rate of anywhere near 41%... and even if it was because of that, do you think you guys don't deserve it? I don't think any normal human being would treat genetic-dead-end self-mutilating lunatics like actual people... Please, listen before it's too late. While you can prove trannyism is against God, this whole thing is not even a question of religion, even the most God-hating atheist can agree that irreversibly destroying your sexual organs is an extremely bad decision. Stop before it's too late........... but I know, you probably will do the surgery anyway... and you'll automatically close the doors for the most important and wonderful things in life: love, marriage, sex, children/family... and you'll die even unhappier and more depressed, either by suicide or by infection (or whatever else secondary effect of the tranny meds/surgeries).
>>17985 In the bible it is >>17987 Show me where the bible defines this as either sexual immorality or as sin
>>17986 Yes.
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>>17990 >and even if it was because of that, do you think you guys don't deserve it? I don't think any normal human being would treat genetic-dead-end self-mutilating lunatics like actual people... edgy also retarded, but I guess that's to be expected from your schizo ellipses faggot ass >Before you say "but the suicide rate is 41% because we are muh oppressed", know that there are more, using lefty language so you understand, political/sexual/religious/racial minorities that are "oppressed" and unaccepted by society far more than trannies, yet I've never heard of any group like that having a suicide rate of anywhere near 41%. 41% is cos troids co-opted dysphoria, so it's actual dysphorics getting told that the sense of unease is something as trivial as some gender identity bullshit and post-tranistion trannies either realize that that's not the case (the dysphoria is still present) or don't even get to that point since they can't clear their own (fake) set goal >I've never heard of any group like that having a suicide rate of anywhere near 41% Pretty sure 'the sucidally depressed' has a suicide rate higher than that
>>17990 What are you doing? Also I said gender dysphoria not BDD. Despite the names they're actually quite dissimilar in how they're treated. In fact the data shows opposite trends for the two. >do you really think you'll be happier? yes. my other surgeries have made me happier, being recognized as a woman has made me happier, estrogen and progesterone have made me happier, and even puberty blockers have made me happier. I'm finally leading a life worth living. Come to me with scripture instead of made up numbers (gays with a million partners, you'll only look 4% like a woman at best we can always tell, etc.) and misunderstood statistics (le 41%). >even >>17991 It's not. Even in the Bible, marriage of a woman who hasn't completed puberty (15-16 years old on average) was forbidden. Don't be a pedo and don't try to use God to justify it. >>17993 The 41% statistic is from a 2010 self report study where 41% of transgender teens who were experiencing bullying and discrimination in school reported having attempted suicide. Not 41% succeeding, all of them failed obviously or they couldn't have reported. Not 41% of all trans people. And not 41% of trans people right now. It's not at all surprising that people being bullied and discriminated for being who they are while having no support system have an alarmingly high rate of suicidal ideation. I don't think it's too different of a situation from any normal imageboard user.
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>>17994 >Even in the Bible, marriage of a woman who hasn't completed puberty (15-16 years old on average) was forbidden. Book, chapter and verse, troon
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>>17995 WOW!! She's so me!! >Ezekiel 16:7-8 The story of a man watching a girl's birth and her growing up. She reaches puberty and he witnesses her body develop. After she finishes puberty, she is said to have reached a marriagable age and so the man finally marries her. >Mark 5:41-42 A girl of 12 years who is dead is given life again. She is specifically referred to in a way that implies she's not of a marriageable age. >1 Corinthians 7:36 Paul says that if a man is unable to behave himself in the presence of a woman that he should be married to her. If you haven't guessed it yet, Paul specified in the original Greek that it's a female who has "ripened" (i.e. a woman who has completed puberty). >what else Culturally, it's been this way as well. The Hebrew language even has different terms for boys and girls and men and women. Those who haven't and those who have reached a coming of age. A lot like a language we speak.
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>>17961 >>etc Ok, so God made you a woman but then He gave you a male body? Why would He do that? Do you think His IQ is as low as yours? Holy shit, you troons are so fucking retarded and detached from reality it's unreal.
>>17982 >Any proof that being transgender itself is against God, though. The Bible never mentions transgenderism directly but "Genesis 5:2: Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created” ." and "Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God". The bible also warns against being an effeminate men. Gender confusion is clearly a sin. > I don't care if the people "behind" it are atheist and sniff farts or whatever. They're not exactly atheists, they're just against Christianity and engage in debauchery. You should care what the satanic world is doing with something you follow. >On paper I've exhibited severe gender dysphoria since I was 9 and my parents have said that even before then I would say alarming things. Do with that info what you will. I didn't exhibit that much gender dysphoria when i was young but I've almost transitioned as well, but luckily i didn't. >How? Having to take medicine for the rest of your life when you didn't have to, SRS has a long way to go, there are people who get SRS and have a permanent smell of Feces, have to painfully dilate many times a day, for your own sake don't get SRS, it's really hellish,
>>17994 >Come to me with scripture In the beginning God made them male and female. Male and female created He them.
>>17999 (checked) The Lord works in many mysterious ways c: >>18000 (nice trips) Woops, looks like I'll end it all now. >>18001 Heyyyy finally someone answered my question! >Genesis 5:2, Deut. 5:2 The way I see it, I'm a female with a certain hardship, though. Many women have specific hardships they can live through in their lives and the biggest one in my life so far is being being Transgender. > They're not exactly atheists, they're just against Christianity... You should care what the satanic world is doing with something you follow. I don't believe in (((them))). >I didn't exhibit that much gender dysphoria when I was young but I've almost transitioned as well, but luckily I didn't. If you're not trans, cool. Not sure why you included this, honestly. >Having to take medicine for the rest of your life when you didn't have to I did have to. >SRS has a long way to go Until we can implant real vaginas or whatever, we get what we can. As it stands things are pretty decent right now, though. >permanent smell of Feces Not really a thing these days. That smell of feces was a side effect of shittier surgery (heh) that's considered outdated. It removed a part of a the intestines to use as the inside of the vagina because it would make the vagina self lubricating and wouldn't need to be dilated. I believe it's only used today if there's not enough of the male genitals to make a full vagina with. If that's the case, at least here in America, they're legally required to discuss what they'll do exactly and what the possible side effects are including the chance of it smelling like feces. >painfully dilate multiple times a day "It's once a day for usually 10-15 minutes and it's really just uncomfortable rather than painful." Basically exactly what I've heard from all my friends who have gotten it done. I've seen some supposed detransers say that they had to do it for hours at a time multiple time a day (i think one of them I saw calculated to like 6 hours daily) and said it was very painful which isn't true in any actually reported cases I know of. >for your sake don't get SRS It's supposed to happen in 3 months. Pray for me. >>18004 He/Them? The good Lord has poor taste in pronounce if you're to be trusted.
>>18005 >The way I see it, I'm a female God sees it differently. You are in rebellion against Him, you are in sin. God made you in His image and you rejected that and are seeking to make yourself in your own image instead. Turn or burn >The good Lord has poor taste in pronounce if you're to be trusted. What will you say when you stand before the throne of Jesus Christ and He asks you to explain why you blasphemed His name and did such vile things to His creation? Have you ever wondered what it will be like when you burn in hell?
>>18005 >The way I see it, I'm a female with a certain hardship, though. Many women have specific hardships they can live through in their lives and the biggest one in my life so far is being being Transgender. Females are not described as female because of their hardships. Women are, just that, a human adult female, despite the surgery greed of the modern world, womanhood is not something you can take for yourself without suffering. Why ask about what God says about transgenderism and then just replace it with your own opinion? >I don't believe in (((them))). The Jews are part of the satanic conspiracy but they're not as all powerful as /pol/ believes, but there are indeed Jews in power. >It's supposed to happen in 3 months. Pray for me. Believe it or not i have love for you and i believe you're making a terrible mistake. I hope you're right about srs not being as bad as it is portrayed because if you're wrong there is no turning back. I will be praying that you find discernment and come closer to God. You're obviously not a Christian but i recommend you pray once a night for a month, at least give God a chance to work in your life.
>>18007 Why are you here, reprobate?
>>18006 >God sees it differently. Does he now? Proof? >>18008 That image is insanely rancid. >Goes to foreign country with shitty doctors for a cheap and dirty surgery >gets cheap and dirty surgery >intensely regrets the shitty decision >"WOWWWW!! Can you believe all trannies WANT to have their dicks turned into the wrong end of a pipe bomb?!?!?!" Lol. >Females are not described as female because of their hardships. Good thing I never said they were. >Why ask what God says about transgenderism and then just replace it with your own opinion? Because nobody gave me anything veritably disallowing it. If anything, you've only strengthened my belief that being transgender and Christian are compatible. >The Jews... I don't believe in (((them))) >Believe it or not I have love for you... I appreciate it.
>>18010 >Does he now? Proof? >>Genesis 5:2, Deut. 5:2 >If anything, you've only strengthened my belief that being transgender and Christian are compatible. How is the sex you were born into vs "be whatever sex you want" compatible? >I don't believe in (((them))) Do you believe that Jews exists?
>>18011 So no proof then. >How is the sex you were born into vs "be whatever sex you want" compatible? Because I'm doing the former not the latter. >Do you believe that Jews exists? I do, Sigma. I just don't believe in a silly shadow group controlling our entire culture.
>>18010 >Because nobody gave me anything veritably disallowing it We literally did you just won't listen. Don't cast your pearls before swine anons.
>>18010 Go become a muslim or something, Hanafis and Shias and more accepting of trans people. It's been proven to you time and time again that Christianity and transgenderism are incompatible, you can't have both either you're a Christian or you're Trans.
>>18013 wrong. >>18014 Ok, sure I'll do that actually. Audu bilahi shaytanir rajim.
>>17981 >>17991 >>17992 >>17995 >Anti-Trans anon is a paedophile I'm honestly not surprised Hey Janny can you delete >>18000, judging from the pro-suicide meme, it's clear that it's bb2216 hoping on Tor. >>18014 >Hanafis and Shias and more accepting of trans people. Isn't Iran's football team composed largely of trannies?
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The main and most basic difference between humans is whether they're male or female. Arguing with a tranny is as useful as arguing with a wall, since they're so detached from reality to the point of being delusional about the most basic element of an individual's identity (sex).
>>18005 >The way I see it, I'm a female Look anon, some people genuinely see they're better than others and have the right to bash them...it's obviously a sin, so why do you think your "seeing" is true? Humans are so very subjective. Everyone mistakes with their self-evaluation in their own way. Pray to God for the way once again. Do not just accept yourself as you are, because that's stagnation. Changes come from inside, maybe with God you would accept your male physics and somehow melt them inside your personality. I mean, what if you can be something greater than the transition version? And if that won't give you a new way, you can always keep goind with the transition. Nothing would be lost. Just try to sincerely put away ALL of your self-evaluation in your prayer, and give yourself to God. -- bypassing orthodox
>>18015 Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God. Repent, there is nothing else left to discuss.
>>17968 he told me that women have the ability to preach which you see its a false claim so i feel kinda alone in this
>>17953 LBTQ+ people, Femenists and the Coloured should just become Apostates and join another religion. You are not welcomed here, all you do is spread paganism and heresy.
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are there any "Prosperity gospel" ministries/pastors which DO answer emails? Ive been emailing big ministries of that strand to get some personal answers on the Reverse Tithe and that one time solomon offered like 300 of his bulls for burnt offerings. I want to start reverse tithing honestly, Im ata point in life id risk great poverty but leaving it up to God.
>>18019 >I mean, what if you can be something greater than the transition version? And if that won't give you a new way, you can always keep goind with the transition. Nothing would be lost. Could you clarify this line for me a little? I'm not entirely sure what you meant by it, frankly, and I'm quite curious. You've been the first interesting poster to me so far. >>18020 Read my previous responses. >>18024 Not all TOR posters are the same person. I only came here for the trans thing and the only other person I interacted with was the pedo. >>18026 All thanks be to God. It is right to give Him thanks and praise, afterall.
>>18020 I already gave him Genesis 5:2, Deut. 5:2 and hes rejecting it unresponsively. >>18026 >racial idolatry.
>>18030 Oh, then he just came here to troll.
Alright, well it seems my time is up with this place now. >ff55d3 I appreciate the effort you gave me but I wish you tried to listen to what I was saying a little more than just trying to assert yourself first and final. We could've had some more interesting conversations and I probably would've heard you out more. Maybe next time. >1f1050 We didn't interact at all but you wrote the only post that particularly interested me. >bb2216/TOR samefag Get help. I know you won't because you seemed so utterly convinced you were right and even if you looked there's so little help for people like you. At the very least just don't hurt anybody. Definitely don't hurt any kids. >To the ones I've mentioned and all others I wish you all easy days ahead, God permitting.
>>18033 May God bless you with repentance.
>>18033 Go game end yourself, lol.
>>18035 Telling People to kill themselves is not Christian.
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>>18033 >Get help. I know you won't because you seemed so utterly convinced you were right and even if you looked there's so little help for people like you. Oh, right! I called a man - who calls himself a woman - a man! Damn, sorry, Mr. Reality, I guess I have to get help now to get rid of my delusions. >At the very least just don't hurt anybody. Definitely don't hurt any kids. <tranny asking normal people to not hurt kids [vid related] P.S.: I've only been arguing with LARPagans and anti-anime crypto-muslims in the past few weeks so it's been nice to remember what trannies are like, they even make those two mentioned groups look like geniuses.
>>18029 The Scriptures say that Holy Spirit brings divine knowledge. I guess this can only be briefly explained with an example. After I was baptized and commuted, my desire for sex changed into the desire to have offsprings. My entire knowledge of myself changed, the view of myself changed, and it was holding like that for quite a while, before I started sinning again step by step. That's what I't talking about: an image of yourself and the world. It's just an image. Even if it's based on something, every thing would invoke a different interpretation in different people. And all of our imagery on our heads are just shadows of something deeper that we can't control. But God can show us how we may be different people, godly and pure - and sometimes it would reverse our image of ourselves. Say, somebody felt miserable since 4 y.o., not because of bullying but from unknown inner cause. Such pepe person would neglect their body, stay crooked etc. Then they decide to seek God and come to Commution. During the day, they just know how to stay in even posture and feel awesome and happy from that. Suddenly, they know how to be happy! But it's up to choice to stay even or to chicken out, because God doesn't make us biorobots, He only shows the new ways we could never imagine! Actually, the narrative of terminally changed person getting healed (the blind from birth, the crooked woman, the paralysed) is one of the main stories on the New Testament. Notice how the paralysed not just gets back the muscle power, but also the non-verbal knowledge of walking (it's a very forgettable thing). You may be eligible of the divine change or you may "be told" by God some explanations about how your state sets with the Scriptures. This latest thing is described by hundreds of people: they pray about a hard topic in scripture and eventually receive an understanding or an omen maybe. I believe you've settled with yourself using just your own mind and imagery. But hey. Either you desire truth or desire a comfort zone. Truth may set you on a journey. The prayer to Holy Spirit should be full of your desire to know truth, even if the results might hurt your heart. Again, the results could be anything. And I'd recommend the same to any other person itt too. - - ortho
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>>17723 I've been praying for "guidance" 2 times a day and it's been almost a week. If anything, I've only been thinking more about love and stuff related to it. I'll take that as a sign. The problem, though, is the thing with the 90% vaxxerino rate. Will I find a "pure blood" girl just by praying? Or if I don't, but end up falling in love with a clotshotted one, will praying prevent her from suddenly dying from a blood clot, or from being infertile, or having her brain hacked by 5G (this one is a joke), or whatever else the Covid vaccines do. PS: I noticed my original post got deleted. I guess we can't talk about the age of our Minecraft characters here. That's why I use TOR, jannies are so inconsistent that one day you wake up and then see and your perfectly normal post got deleted and you've been banned for 1984 years or something.
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>>18043 >Or if I don't, but end up falling in love with a clotshotted one, will praying prevent her from suddenly dying from a blood clot, or from being infertile So then you live like that. A lot of people may experience a sudden or not so sudden loss of the loved one. If you're so ready to love as you say, you'd have to be ready for the loss. Why do you believe you're better than other 90% of men who will marry those vaxxed girls? Why do you desire a special treatment? Why the heck do you believe that in the non-vaxxed world you would not marry a girl with underlying conditions? >If anything, I've only been thinking more about love and stuff related to it. I'd boldly assume that it's a hint of "love makes you ignore the negative things in a person". You should really explore the concept of love in Christianity, and not just for a one brief reading, but for some months. Praying for a week is not a super long time to do so, keep it up, nice work so far.
Looks like I broke my rule >>18041 Thank you. I'll look into doing this now, it can't hurt afterall. I appreciate your patience and compassion here. I have somewhat regretted my not being in any communities, generally speaking, both growing up and now. I might come back here with infrequent updates if I remember to
>>18044 Now, I think I probably deserve the 10% more than other men because I do acknowledge the dangers of the clotshot, instead of discarding that as some "baseless conspiracy theory"... And also death is not the only problem with clotshots, the other main problem is as bad if not worse - prevention of creation of new life, i.e. infertility... Like, admit it, having a clotshot is significantly worse than just having some random "underlying condition".
is it "bad" to donate a lot of money to tree-planting NGOs, assuming I always also give to my church? Like, maybe every 100 trees I donate money for,are equivalent to one Bible for pigmy on the congo?
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>>18043 Sad your post got deleted, still I'm sure it was filled with disingenuity man. Stop lamenting and trying to find silly reasons why you can't find a loving wife. Guess what, the demographic you're interested in, that is a traditional church-going woman that's based, submissive and redpilled is also the kind of demographic who is not getting vaxxerinoed. May it be because mark of the beast posts, because she lives in a rural area or because she doesn't work so their chantage didn't affect her, she thus has a higher chance than average to be unvaxxed. You're focusing on the wrong battle, what about what would she think of a pedo arguing on a christian forum being her husband? How are you going to meet her if you stay at home just like the government wants you to?
>>15773 Never heard anything about it in the NT. Muslims care about this kind of things, Jesus said let the dead bury their own dead. My two cents: it's a waste of gas, I wouldn't do it but I guess when peeple live stacked in megacities Brave New World style, I guess there's no other way to deal with the bodies.
>>18043 You're so full of spite for everything and everyone, you've refused all advice and help so far (something you criticized the tranny for), and to boot it's because you're a pedo. What are you even doing here? Do you post only to besmirch this board's name? >>18051 I don't see why it would be at all. Probably a good thing, actually.
>>18043 God doesn't really talk to most people, even if they desire it with their entire being. Try talking to an angel or praying the rosary instead, make sure to receive communion.
>>18018 Yeah it seems like a lost cause, but remember that many posters here are not necessarily trannies, but people paid to act like this.
>>18079 You can get paid for acting retarded on imageboards!?
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I have 2 couple of questions. 1. So what exactly is the "canon" origin of Satan? I've read a myriad different claims. The coolest one so far is that he was originally one of God's most loyal and powerful angels, specifically that he was chief of the angelic "Authorities" (Potestas?). He begun rebelling against God when Adam and Eve were created because he thought of them are completely inferior. How much of this is real and how much is bullshit? Is there even a 100% accepted "canon" on this matter? 2. If God is all-powerful, then how does Satan pose any threat whatsoever? Is there some kind of way for him to gain powerful to the point that he can challenge God? If not, then why did it take billions of angels to win the war in heaven if God could simply roflstomp Satan instantly? And most importantly, surely Satan himself would be very well aware that winning against God would be completely and utterly impossible? And yet the war in heaven happened anyway? Surely Satan must have known some kind of way to win? TL;DR I don't know jackshit and I'm looking at Christian "lore" mostly through a story lens. Assuming that God is all-powerful and that Satan was a total dumbass for even thinking that he could win, then the lore is kind of dumb and doesn't make for a cool story. No offense.
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I>>18104 t's abel! IT'S ABEL!!!
>>18054 >Never heard anything about it in the NT. Muslims care about this kind of things, Jesus said let the dead bury their own dead. Imagine being so insecure about your faith that you have to continually compare your religion to islam.
give me the redpill on catholic male modesty: whats modest clothes for doing excercise in gyms or parks,that doesnt look like a slav thug? do I need to buy a water-proof shirt for the swimming pool,to avoid being bare-chested?
>>18122 and also:wearing suits. I know; a cheap suit, easy to buy and replace..should I start wearing suit for shopping veggies and fruits, for everyday actvities? >inb4 mistaken for a JW or mormon
>>18104 From what I understand he was cherub originally, and the smartest and most beautiful of them all. The Bible isn't clear on the rest but it's safe to assume that he probably felt insulted by God's love of humanity.
>>18104 Oops I forgot to answer the last part of your questions. Once again no definitive answer is ever provided but if we assume that God can see every timeline then it's reasonable to assume that he created Satan and allowed him to do what he has done so that God may guide the course of humanity for the greater good through him.
>>18146 Alright, but that still doesn't answer how Satan and his millions (billions?) of followers sat down and went >hmm, yup. We can defeat God and rule the universe. It's doable I doubt that they couldn't have know that beating him impossible, the guy literally created them and then created everything else in existence. If they rebelled then they would have done so if there was a chance of victory.
>>18169 >hmm, yup. We can defeat God and rule the universe. It's doable You might as well as yourself in that case why people here on earth sin and rebel against God even knowing that God exists and that everyone will be judged according to their works. Paul will even say in Romans 1, of course, that there is no excuse at all and that God has made everything clear to them from the things that are made. Yet we still sin, we still stumble, we still, sometimes, act as if God does not exist or as if actions do not have consequences spiritually and immediately in this world. Creatures of God such as Satan merely suffer from the same delusion. God created him to be extraordinarily exalted and beautiful according to passages of Scripture such as Ezekiel 28, and he became envious, hateful, self-centered, and egoistic, rejecting God. Satan became spiritually blinded, and perhaps he may even believe that he can 'win'. He could be that delusional, or perhaps (I think this is more likely), he is delusional, but so incredibly spiteful and hateful that he and his horde of fallen angels only want to spite God, and drag his creations (humans) down into hell with them. They know their time is short, so they just want to mess up everything and give the middle-finger to God before they are cast into the outer darkness and eternal fire.
>>18169 Remember yourself as 5 y.o.rebelling against parents and that "no tv" day.
>>18122 How is this related to Christianity? Why do you think other people have those Slav associations in their heads? Why even care?
>>18183 People rebel because God's existence isn't a confirmed fact, you simply have faith that he exists. But the angels are different, they literally know he exists and what he is capable of. Yet they declared war anyway. Again, the whole "durr they were just dum" thing just makes the story stupid and unbelievable. It would be much cooler if there was really something deeper in there that gave Satan a sign of victory. >>18187 Comparing a human toddler with a superhuman genius being with universal knowledge isn't really comparable
>>18212 It may look nonsensical from our perspective just like without knowing the nuances we may be astonished that poor country like Afghanistan dared to resist the most powerful army of our times with nuclear capabilities but celestial hierarchy is complex and we don't know that much about it. It seems possible that other divine beings were also eternal because when God created universe 'his sons shouted with joy'. Perhaps the rest of divine family did have comparable power to God. Also many times God is mentioned in plural form 'Elohim' so God himself may be multiple personalities or a group.
>>18213 >astonished that poor country like Afghanistan dared to resist the most powerful army of our times They didn't resist anything, America was simply too scared to go balls-deep. The only correct way to deal with insurgents is through sheer violent relentless action. Look at how Ethiopian military pretty much wiped the floor with Somali insurgents. Those same insurgents that gave the US army and UN a very hard time. How? They simply did not care about collateral damage and the deaths of civilians. They levelled cities and shot anything that appeared human. And so they won. >Perhaps the rest of divine family did have comparable power to God. Also many times God is mentioned in plural form 'Elohim' so God himself may be multiple personalities or a group. There we go, we're finally getting somewhere. This one is actually interesting and deepens the lore in a good way.
>>18212 >People rebel because God's existence isn't a confirmed fact, you simply have faith that he exists. Not according to Romans 1.
>>18228 Not to mention, he is assuming people don't deny facts.
>>18212 That just means that superbeing's desires and hatred are 1000 times stronger.
>>18213 > so God himself may be multiple personalities or a group. Ever heard of Trinity? Of Jesus possibly?
I wanna know how many verses have Been mistranslated or Missing
>mistranslated Translation is not a perfect 1:1 process. Unless you're reading the original, there is always something lost. Therefore, one could argue all verses have been mistranslated to some degree. >Missing The Bible is the best attested to document from all antiquity. The issue it has is not of missing verses, but of added verses.
>>18270 i remembering watching something about catholics adding new verses
>>18271 >catholics adding new verses I wouldn't pin it on any particular denomination and not out of malice. Things were hand copied 1000 years ago and people wrote study notes and reflections just like we do today. Sometimes study notes were added to the text mistakenly. There's no grand conspiracy. Luckily, we have very early copies and tons of different genealogies, called text types, to compare to. So we can remove or correct copy errors that worked into the text.
>>18271 >>18275 when the friends of daniel the prophet where in the oven they prayed my bible just say they prayed, and my orthodox study bible says the prayed and then it puts what was their praying making the chapter like 40-46 verses
>>18320 That's from an ancient Greek manuscript which the Jews rejected as non-canon.
Why didn't I hear anything like the attached video growing up? I think the information in this video mostly on the historicity of Jesus's life, death, and resurrection is important for Christians to know, but I don't think many Christians outside of apologists know about this sort of info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67uj2qvQi_k
which parts of the bible are the ones that are supposed to convert me to christianity?
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is this a good list? im currently using it, i want to be able to be kinda at a "pastor" level and idk if this is enough, what would you add? what would you change?
>>18372 What marks a good pastor is not how well read he is but his wisdom, humility and love. That said, if you want to be learned, this is not enough. At the very least, you're going to want to add in the works of Plato and Aristotle so you can properly understand the philosophy behind the formulation of Christian doctrine. I can't speak for every book on that list but, for the ones I have read, I wouldn't take anything out. I would also go older rather than younger. There's an awful lot of words printed about Christianity every year and very little of it is useful. Also take a focus on things written by important people to your church. eg if you're a Lutheran, you should obviously read Luther's writings. As well as that, reading about the history of the Church in general would be good.
>>18372 Aren't there like courses for pastors?
>>18372 I would remove all the Romanist garbage from there, and anything by CS Lewis, and add some good Reformed theologians. For example under beginner add The Potter's Freedom by James White, under intermediate Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin and Commentary on True and False Religion by Huldrych Zwingli, and under advanced Institutes of Elenctic Theology by Francis Turretin.
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I need to become rich,but it isnt even my own desires anymore. It's to help my aging parents, and possibly my brother's toddler and the whole extended family in general. Im convinced(convinced,I tell ya) that tithing my salary directly to the poor; to the poor, NOT to the priest("pastor") will make me richer. So far,its kind giving results,but maybe everything is a coincidence? Should I tithe 20% of my income to the homeless mothers with kids,to disabled elderly,etc? As I said, I dont want to buy bling bling for me, we need to move to another city and prepare for the societal-economic equivalent of getting suplexed unto hard concrete.
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is it considered slothful time-wasting to take 20 minutes cold showers? Let me explain: it has been proven that icing the testicles for 20 minutes a day may,over time,boost testosterone to a whooping 200% Is it actually my duty as a male to be male-er? is it even an ascetic endavour to endure 20 minutes of cold-showering every day?
>>18396 What's wrong with Lewis?
>>18387 thanks, my church is pentecostal so i think they dont have anyone that special, im trying to lead more to a non denominational perspective >>18396 thanks for the recommendations, kinda offtopic, but are you an scholar? you have been making good contributions in the thread >>18391 >say god loves you and talk fast and loud so people clap to you >that will be 300 bucks
How fallible should the contents of the Epistles be considered?
>>18403 To what end would you want to see them as fallible?
>>18404 They were written by mortal men.
>>18398 Your spiritual problem here is not the cold showers. It is your autistic obsession with testosterone levels.
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Hello Christians, Why did God make this?
>>18397 uhh, if u wanna be rich to help ur family then tithe to ur family, if they're christians then its still tithing to the church since theyre members of it.
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Should I stop using so many hours/energy/life planning to acquire secular knowledge? And,highly related,seeking to use money and work for money,which I will ,then,invest in more advanced education(to earn even more money,,and connections). Im obsessed with geological history,biology,psyhics and cosmology, religious antrophology etc. >the imitation christi basically told me all of this is BS and useless how do I trully acquire internal austerity and asceticism? I feel I should spend my time reading spiritual books and praying.
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Thoughts? I was intrigued after hearing details about this image and was disappointed to see how little material there is on it. I only found one short book available to me and several blog posts and videos on the interwebs. Caths are pointing out all the fine symbolic details, some unexplainable naturally. While atheists say it's creation story is but a legend made up decades later, the panting has a supposed human author, and it's miraculous origin and properties are even doubted by some clergymen involved. I couldn't find any reasonable discussion on it.
>>18398 It's your duty to worship God. Whether you should strive to be more masculine is a non-issue. You're already a male. You're not being overly effeminate are you? If you want to change your behaviours for the better then just go and do it. >is it even an ascetic endeavour to endure 20 minutes of cold-showering every day? It is if you make it so. Subjecting yourself to meaningless pain isn't ascetic. It's ascetic if you use that pain to draw closer to God. If you spent 20 minutes praying under a cold shower and you did that every day without fail (not just when you feel like it), that would be ascetic. Praying can never be considered slothful time-wasting. >>18400 Well you should still study up on the Pentecostal movement and read books by important figures even if their names aren't thrown around much among people. >say god loves you and talk fast and loud so people clap to you >that will be 300 bucks I don't mean to be unnecessarily contentious but if that's what becoming a pastor means in your church... well, if it were me, I'd find another church.
>>18422 You should ,first acqui're nowledge on,proper punctuation,,(
>>18410 Because it's bad ass obviously
>>18441 Based.
>>18424 The painting you see is a masterwork of its era and context but supposedly not the original one according to the clergy, it is a replica (or a better copy) of something which is sealed deep inside the Mexico City Basilica. Tests have been made and some impossible details have been attributed to it like the floating paint over the textile and micro landscape painting inside the eyes but no evidence has been shown unlike the Shroud which has multiple studies with high quality images on it. The origin story is extremely suspicious in nature given the context (lack of faith by locals, cunning clergy who got greedy after the event) and the subsequent use of the movement, the Guadalupana, has transformed into a cult itself where the Virgin is generally seen above Jesus and even God which eventually derived in conflicts and was even used as war banner in incidents which ended famously in genocide in the name of it (Third Yaqui War where the yaqui native americans defended staunchly their lands and the image of Jesus over the federal government symbolized by the Guadalupe belief system and military use of her image). But who knows, it might have been a legit event that was corrupted by the church very soon after.
>>18407 Mortal men can produce impeccable works by the grace of the Holy Spirit.
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its this true?
>>18493 >OT passage that is clearly polytheistic No, it's not true
This is less a question and more my thoughts. I have been struggling to read through the Old Testament. I'm up to Numbers and I'm skipping Leviticus until after I finish Numbers. Anyway I open Numbers tonight and I don't even finish the first chapter before I find out the Israelis casually had over 600,000 soldiers in their newly formed army. Each division is composed of some tens of thousands of young men ranging from thirty thousand to over sixty thousand. With an army of 600,000 they would have conquered the entire ancient world back then. And this is whilst they are refugees travelling from Egypt to fucking Israel of all things. They clearly pulled the numbers out of their ass. This is probably one of the most blatant pieces of propaganda I've seen so far and the Old Testament appears to be full of exaggerations and political propaganda on their enemies and themselves. I'm actually questioning if Sodom and Gomorrah was really gay or is it just the case of the jews labelling their political enemies gay as usual. The whole thing with the two kings in Genesis reminded me of the sort of political nonsense you see about Trump or Putin. On one hand I'm tempted to just continue on to the New Testament but I feel I should finish the Old Testament first. Reading the Old Testament is making me more antisemitic than I was previously. I did like the story in Exodus about God getting fed up with Moses being a beta at the river and trying to kill him in a wrestling match so his balls drop. That's how I see it anyway. Wrestle him for a bit so he mans up and stops relying on Aaron to speak for him.
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>>18496 >600,000 >he doesn't know what happens to them yet
>>18496 If you read from a purely secular rationalistic mindset, that precludes miracles and the supernatural, you're gonna have a bad time. Also the precise number of people in Numbers 1:46 is also repeated and reinforced earlier in Exodus 12:37 and Exodus 38;26.
>>18496 Every man capable of fighting would have been considered a soldier.
>>18496 You should be interested in "Ancient israel at war" by osprey publishing. They discuss the numbers there as well as the levy system etc. Also keep in mind that Bible wass written centuries after the events took place.
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Say you're faced with a choice like in the movie on pic related. Several people are to face prolonged torture and slowly bleed out. They're unbelievers and don't suffer as martyrs. You can prevent it by committing apostasy. What is the correct (catholic) thing to do? To not apostasize would be extremely selfish, but then again, the Church teaches that you can't commit evil to prevent greater evil. Apostasy is a deadly sin and you can't be sure of being able to repent before dying.
>>18565 To love your neighbor as yourself is only the second greatest commandment, the greatest is "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, mind and strength".
>>18579 Confirmed for not having seen the movie.
Heya guys. I'll do my best to condense what happened to me. Basically my parents forced me to get vaccinated against my will, and I'm planning to run away from home. I gathered many things that I'll need to survive out there. > For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15 So forgiving others is a pre-requisite for the Lord to forgive me. But how can I forgive my parents after they forced me to do that? How can I comprehend that my TV-addicted parents were simply victims of propaganda? How can I gain such mentality to forgive them while I'm going to run away from them?
>>18679 Oh, are you the guy from the best thread on this board (that unfortunately slid off)? The one where you posted about how belief in Christ positively affected you?... It's good to see that you're doing relatively well! Anyway, it's hard for me to give a good answer, to the main question (if you have to forgive your parents, and how can you do it) but one thing I can say is that I don't think the vaccine is that bad. I didn't take it, but I don't think you have high chances of dying or getting paralyzed or something just from having taken it. And what's completely unlikely is the vaccine being "the mark of the beast". That's "Obama is the antichrist"-tier honestly. Also, I don't think running away is a good idea. If you really want to quickly get away from them, I think it's better to start flipping burgers and renting a small apartment, or something like that.
>>18679 Anon, regardless of if you are who I think you are, don't run away. I ran away from home as a kid and I was homeless for way too long. It's not fun being a homeless teenager. You'll be broke as hell and money will be the only way you can survive. You'll have to do some incredibly gross and embarrassing shit like going the entire duration of your homelessness giving yourself whore's baths in public bathrooms. I had to sleep on the floor of a pubic bathroom every night because it's all I had for me. Also, there's repercussions for being a runaway. You'll probably fail whatever semester of schooling you're in if you manage to be away long enough because as a runaway of you go to school they'll have police pick you up. Chances are, though, that your parents care about you a lot more than mine did. They'll look for you and what will happen when they find you, which they will? Will they make you start seeing a psychologist or even admit you into a shrink ward? Maybe you need those things if you can't ground yourself in reality enough to see the amount of peril you're putting yourself in over a damn shot. Don't do some shit you're going to regret, especially not for the rest of your life. My running away permanently ruined my relationship with my parents and especially my grandmother which, when she died sooner than expected, made me hurt so much more than I could've ever imagined. Don't do that to yourself.
>>18679 Or maybe you're a propaganda victim.
>>18496 > I'm actually questioning if Sodom and Gomorrah was really gay Bible doesn't say it was "gay", more like all types of sexual sin
>>18689 Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, having indulged in the same way as these in gross sexual immorality and having gone after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."
Why wouldn't it be true that God wasn't against homosexuality, but pederasty?
>>18706 Homosexuality inevitably leads to pederasty. Obergefell was what, a few years ago, and leftists are already trying to castrate children.
>>18679 Believe that Jesus is superior to demons tricks: >And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Mark 16:17-18
>>18706 Pederasty is homosexuality...
>>18733 Castrate your neck >Shields children from the evils of lust >less focus on loving men and women You're a bit inconsistent here. Do you know the difference between lust and love?
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>>18748 If we take away the clearly fake coat of paint of "it's because I love God, duderino", you're nothing more than a literal tranny who wastes his days spreading child sexual abuse/mutilation/torture tranny propaganda on porn-hosting websites. Subhuman commie trash like you is the reason why retarded memes like Christianity being jewish/leftist/commie/anti-racist and larpagans exist. >Google translated Latin nonsense Pure neo-chuuni. You've been watching too much Luke Smith...... Oh, I'm gonna coin that word! Neo-chuuni. It's like chuunibyou, but specifically related to trying to be "based and redpilled".
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>>18752 Tu es asinus ad lyram. It's only nonsense because you ran it through an instant translator. It is genuine Latin, though certainly grammatically poor after years of neglecting the skill. It's only fun for ousting arrogant young men like yourself. Mea alma mater parienda me cum armata potentia lingua. Tua apologia ab irato est fibelis. Tu es contra legum Dei et tua delicatio non absolvo tu. You're another one of the cattle who are enticed by faith only for how it can serve you, and your flagrant sin is openly unbecoming. Your passion is better suited where it won't poison you with what you're calling your "redpill."
>>18708 Castration isn't theologically bad, it's honourable. Jesus died a virgin, and eunuchs are respectable. >>18726 Pederasty is homosexual paedophilia; the latter was associated with the former in Biblical times. But we know you can be gay without raping children, so that interpretation (of the Bible not denouncing homosexuality ipso facto) makes sense to me.
>>18757 >You disgusting pervert Tell that to Jesus? >>Matthew 19:12
>>18760 It's literally the word of Jesus Christ...
>>18762 He implied it was honourable. >[T]here are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. >Let anyone accept this who can. Sure, He didn't explicitly say it was _good_, I guess, but He urged people to accept it - to look at it favourably. I don't understand your emotionally charged response. Blasphemy? Well, if you put words in my mouth like you just did, _maybe_. But the implication remains the same even with your words.
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>>18757 >Maybe you know that but I don't Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
>>18753 It's nonsense because no fucking one speaks dead meme languages except neo-chuunis who got overexposed to Luke Smith. >>18755 Jesus was a virgin not a tranny. >But we know you can be gay without raping children Anon.... >>18759 >>18763 You're as good as interpreting out-of-context bible verses as larpagans.
>>18793 PS: Why did the janny wipe the images on my two previous posts, 18742 and 18752? Did he find them tangentially unsettling? Did he think their large filesize would slow down page loading for people in third world countries or TOR users? Who knows. I assume it was just some kind of accident/error.
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>>18681 The one and only. If you still miss the thread, there's an archive out there. https://archive.ph/1H2xQ Unfortuntately the pics, audio and video involved aren't available for full display. It's not only the vaccine, there's more to it. I don't want to monopolize this thread but basically I never had a choice regarding my parents. I didn't do art because my parents asked me to not do so. I didn't release any book because my parents asked me to not do so. However, I take a course so I can be a slave for corpos because my parents asked me to do so. And there are more things, like discriminating others while they talk against discrimination. A small apartment would be nice. >>18684 My parents are beyond saving, they are happy to live with their own discrepancies in order to virtue signal happily in their religion of science or narcissistic apathy or whatever word they choose as claim of "the good side of history". But beating the dead horse aside, I think I'll take my chances on this one. >[...]the amount of peril you're putting yourself in over a damn shot three. FTFY As I stated above, it's not all because of the vaccine, it's because of choices and their psychotic behavior. I never had a major choice in my life. I can't stand listening to them claiming how good they are while they were manipulating me, expecting me to do things for them like an obedient vassal. The desire of running away finally outweighs my desire to be a writer or videogame designer all together. Articles and people say that it's good to take a week or two before making a life-changing decision like running away. I've got 11 months. 11 months to plan everything. I have a choice. I can choose to break my chains and die standing or I can choose to live like a slave with my morale slowly going down. I can choose to do radio silence and go on my own with absolutely zero communication with other boards or I can ask for help in other sources of communication in particular with Christianity and Bible scriptures to understand life better and be closer to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit with the help of others. >>18725 I'll study this scripture. Thanks.
>>18793 Moving the goal post. >>18794 If I had to guess it's because they were schizo posts and relied on defamation as a method of backing up arguments that were simply just your disagreement. >>18797 I can't help you then, anon. I wish you the best with what you're doing. Hopefully you can get help soon. I know what it's like to be a spiteful child, and I know that there's a future for you where much of your life won't be founded on that hatred no matter how bad they are. I hope you find it sooner than I did.
>>18755 Eunuchs are disgusting m8.
I believe twice this last day I looked up sexual material; but I did not masturbate, and after too long for both instances I stopped looking at the material. I believe I stumbled, but I do not believe I fell. Is this "stumbling" in itself sin? Should I repent? And if so; how?
>>18867 It is sinful to willingly expose yourself to such things. You did not just "stumble", you fell. For future reference, like Paul says, you have to FLEE from sexual immorality. The best way to keep yourself from jacking off is to just never indulge even slightly in the first place. Pray to God and ask Him to forgive you. sincerely, and change your behavior
>>18869 You fell and sinned too since this website is filled with porn. >But I dont look at it! Like Paul says, you have to FLEE from sexual immorality.
>>18869 I want to add on to the advice of this anon. The Greek word for flee that Paul uses doesn't merely mean run away, but also to seek refuge from. So they are right that you should flee from sexual immorality, but for your better understanding you ought to conceive that in being sin it is like a deadly beast or a wolf. And knowing that sin has the power to carry you off to death, you shouldn't dare go near it, however tempting it may be. As much as God is willing to demonstrate his mercy, the devil seeks opportunity to condemn. That you might draw near the devil's bait and avoid his trap one time, does not mean that you will be able to when he draws you near in a weaker state of mind at another. Make a habit of pursuing virtue, and you will have no reason to doubt your standing before the Lord.
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does catholic Modesty compell me/should I, buy a larger size of clothes(shirt,even pants) now that im getting broader and bulkier? I feel Im very thinly clothed since Im getting heavier due to lifting heavy. How do I get clothes that are modest yet not hip-hop baggy ?
>>18906 Potato sack and a rope
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>>18793 >You're as good as interpreting out-of-context bible verses as larpagans. Okay, what did Jesus mean then? >>18853 That's not what Jesus thought. Or St. Paul, who said they (and unmarried celibates) were more likely to go to Heaven, because they could focus more on God instead of God and marriage.

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