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Occult Symbolism Within the Context of Christianity AntichristHaterFortnitePlayer69 02/27/2022 (Sun) 10:24:53 No.4664
ive been looking into the different meaning of occult symbols (primarily goats and stars) within the context of Christianity. A picture is emerging. post information related to the topic, especially regarding the Sumerians and Babylonians as they seem to have the most interesting connections. Keep schizo shit to a minimum, i really only want sources and descriptions. I prefer to come to my own conclusions
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>>4664 this aswell
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Check Pageau-s channel if you like these things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwdqaCg-Zg
after doing some thinking ive come to a historical conclusion of my own. The pentagram upright represents lucifer (a shining star), when inverted it represents his fall from heaven and him becoming satan. I know the symbol has other meaning that was added to it at a later time but i think this is the best theory as for its use in ancient times. The inverted pentagram was used at one point by the Sumerians to identify their gods (who were satan and demons). one thing i find interesting with one of these gods Ishtar is the star she would be given later on. (Ishtar is the symbolic whore of Babylon referenced in Revelation) the star Ishtar would later be given is a 8 point star, a number which is one more than God's holy number. So in a weird way satan is saying he is better than God.
Do you know of any Christians that came to Christ from the occult like Zachary King or Steven Bancarz? Zachary's insight into magic from a Christian perspective was really informative.
>>4908 What did he say?
>>4947 His story is pretty unbelievable but he has good insight on how magic is a dangerous practice of dabbling with demons and the satanic power structure. Most unbelievers will disregard his story because it sounds like a Chic track comic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW-2ti4DOD8
>>4975 I'll have to watch that. What about Bancarz?
>>4984 Steven Bancarz was a practicing New Ager who was very economically successful from it and had an experience with Jesus, here is his testimony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMu5F2icsT8 He also gives insight into the spiritual dangers of occult products coming into your home as well as exposing the satanism behind the New Age.
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>>4664 >>5010 No evidence Solomon or David or Biblical Israel ever used that. And nowhere in the Bible was Israel renamed to "Jew" btw
>>5032 does it matter? either way its a star thats used by all religions except Christianity (minus heretical sects) so its still the star of the heathen
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>>5035 the Romans referred to the Sabbath as "saturn's day" does that mean that God is satan?
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>>5037 We shouldn't be concerned with what pagans say, but no, God is not Saturn. The Romans associated the Israelites with Saturn because they honored the Sabbath, which of course is the day where God rested from his work of creation. The association of that day with Saturn is almost wholly arbitrary. Saturn is some sort of demon, and this is clear from Greek and Roman mythology, where Saturn himself overthrew his father Uranus, and then Saturn was thrown into Tartarus after he was overthrown by Zeus, who is himself probably one of the sons of God from Genesis 6 / a Watcher from the Book of Enoch.
>>5042 >Saturn is some sort of demon, that makes sense until you realize that Saturn (Chronus) was a entirely original deity invented by the Greeks. If Chronus could be directly linked to an ancient civilization like the Sumerians then id agree, but he cant. Even the idea that hes a greek version of Moloch doesnt add up since Moloch required ritual child sacrifice whereas Chronus only ate children to prevent them from usurping him. so that theory seems out the window for me.
>>5046 >that makes sense until you realize that Saturn (Chronus) was a entirely original deity invented by the Greeks The stories were invented by the Greeks are twisted, elaborated and distorted versions of things that actually happened. For example, Greek mythology has its own version of the Noah's Ark story with Deucalion and Pyrrha, etc. Whatever the referent of the term 'Saturn' is, assuming there is one, it is clearly referring to some sort of demonic entity.
>>5048 its likely true that all false god are inspired by or are demons but that doesnt mean that it has satanic connections like other symbols do. The only real resemblance i see between Chronus and satan is that Chronus betrayed his father. what im more interested in is symbols that have very direct satanic connections and are ancient like the inverted pentagram article shown in the first reply.
>>5032 >israel flag with an swastika I don't get it.
>>5050 its a symbol that used by some occult group that believes in aliens or something, i dont really remember tbh. i dont think it was ever used like that on a flag tho
>>5037 >>5042 >>5046 The saturn conspiracy is pretty vast but also foolish sometimes. as evidence for the Christian God being Saturn conspiracy theorists site Rev 14:17 where God is harvesting and holds a sickle. Also New Jerusalem measurements being a cube Revelation 21 "the angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia c in length, and as wide and high as it is long.". I think it shows more how dangerously easy it is to practice idolatry.
>>5052 yeah
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I don't think this approach to symbols is useful. You can hardly ever point at a symbol and say "this is good" or "this is evil", because 1) a symbol can have more than one meaning 2) symbols of good end up being used for evil. >>5052 brings up good examples of why taking one or more symbols (or things like planets) and slapping a "satanic" label on them leads to nonsense. Taking the 5-pointed star as an example, what it represents from antiquity is presumably the planet Venus, because the synodic period of Venus is 584 days, this means that compared to the Sun, which it follows across the sky, Venus comes back to the same position every 584 days. 584 days are very close to 1 year + 3/5 (1,6). If you draw a circle representing the year, and choose a day (a point on the circle), and draw a straight line from this day to the next day when Venus has the same position relative to the Sun (so the day you chose + 584 days), it will end up 216 degrees across the circle (a full circle of the year + three fifths of the second year). Do this 5 times and you're back to the first day you chose, eight (!) years will have "passed," and you will have drawn a five-pointed star that has nothing to do goats or guys doing jumping jacks. So the five-pointed star represents Venus, what does Venus represent? In Scripture, sometimes it's our Lord Jesus, sometimes it's the devil. So we're back to 1) and 2).
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>>5059 There are two powers/kingdoms in the world, God and Satan. Magic and specifically sigil magic are not originally of God, it's practices are overseen by demons and Satan. In the Christian view what is not Christian is satanic, and it will sound like foolishness to the esoteric, New Ager and occultist, yet those belief systems have older satanism in them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkGgtExLcY I remember talking to an occultist who said Venus represents Lucifer, i think it was because it follows the setting sun. Evil tries to counterfeit Good.
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>>5059 >So the five-pointed star represents Venus, what does Venus represent? In Scripture, sometimes it's our Lord Jesus, sometimes it's the devil. So we're back to 1) and 2). interesting finding, im trying to look at it more from a historical standpoint tho which is why i think it matters. If there werent ancient examples from some of the first civilizations of these symbols being used in relation to "gods" then i probably wouldnt care. pic related
>>5073 on thing i am a little confused about is who these "kings" it mentions are. ive looked it up and ive found nothing online talking about them within the context of Sumerians. My guess is that these kings were descendants of the gods they worshipped???
>>5074 You're confused because whoever wrote that picture is a very bad liar heh. >In Sumerian pictographic writing it was an ideogram used to describe Merovingian kings That's like saying "In Egyptian hieroglyph writing it was an ideogram used to describe the Presidents of the United States", it's not even possible.
>le spoopy drawing >DANGEROUS You're like a dog barking at himself in a mirror. You're fucking retarded.
>>5072 >not originally of God I thought "all things come from God", you retarded faggot. You christcuck larpers don't even know your own material. Fucking fail trolls
>>5090 Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." what God made was originally good, sin and evil was a side effect of freewill. Just because God gave you the choice between good and evil doesn't mean evil was the original intention. >>you retarded faggot. You christcuck larpers don't even know your own material. Fucking fail trolls Only a seething person would write this lol.
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>>5093 maybe hes a demon that doesnt like the truth being exposed
>>5034 >does it matter? Does the truth matter ?Yes. you fucking kike >>5050 The COUNTERFEIT israel in palestine is run by nazis.
>>5161 >The COUNTERFEIT israel in palestine is run by talmudic satanists. Yes.
When Jesus says in Matthew that if you commit adultery you have already committed adultery (he says something to the same effect in regard to violence also) I believe he is alluding to principles of hermeticism. If you do not have certain sinful thoughts in your mind you will be incapable of committing related sins with your actions.
>>5207 He's basically saying that mere external action is useless if there's no internal counterpart, and he's internalizing the principles of the Old Covenant.
>>5210 Yes, exactly, but that sort of internalization concept is key to hermeticism. The laws of vibration and all that.
>>5084 the Merovingian kings were kings who claimed to be from descendants of Jesus. I think the author is making a reference
>>5161 no it doesnt. So what if solomon or david never actually used the star? The point stands the same, the hexagram is the star of the heathens (non Christians) >>5050 and the hexagram with swastika is the symbol of Raelism btw. My guess is that the person who made the image thought it was some Jewish Nazi thing and just slapped it onto the Israeli flag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raëlism>>5050
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it is interesting that the upright pentagram has long been associated with perfection and beauty.
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crackpot theory that i just came up with but i was reading about Eli (the guy who drew baphomet) and the way he described baphomet is very similar to how the Bible describes the second beast. "Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed. " the Bible says that the beast will speak like a dragon (satan), and in his book (https://archive.org/stream/transcendentalma00leviuoft/transcendentalma00leviuoft_djvu.txt) Eli says this (pic rel) what do you guys think?
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interesting, this story bares lots of resemblance to the story of satan. Perhaps satan told them it from his point of view, perhaps this was where the greek idea of "titans" came from. Maybe satan told them that there were more. i dont think the other stories of Titans are based off demons tho, because everything we know from the Bible indicates that demons only have the ability to posses whereas satan can manifest as a real thing and none of the other stories (that ive read) bear much resemblance to the Bible.
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Theory: Ishtar (the whore of Babylon) was married to Tammuz who was a half man half goat/sheep figure who was described as "beautiful" (in other words he was satan). This adds a whole nother meaning to the phrase "Whore of Babylon" because now we know that the literal Whore of Babylon Ishtar (who i believe was a personification of the women who had sex with the sabbatic goat aka satan) were literally the devils wife. So in other words, whatever country/city that the Whore of Babylon represents will have a intimate connection with satan (like that of a husband and wife)
>>5073 Found a very interesting article related to the Merovingians. https://watch.pairsite.com/false-christ.html
>>5211 Idk man sounds a bit wrong
>>5214 They didn't as far as I can tell
>>5945 correction: Tammuz was likely a demon and Enki was likely satan.
>>5948 thats the only logical conclusion other than the author being retarded
>>5946 never knew so many monarchs had Jewish ancestry, that brings a whole new meaning to when God said that the Israelites would be mighty kings or something like that
>>5974 Jewish as in Israelite (Aryan), not jewish as in the false edomites who call themselves jews today
>>5983 >CI bullshit You are not a Christian, your father is the devil
>>5984 whats "CI"?
>>5984 nooooooo the heckin based jews are all long nosed pedophiles let me give theem all my money and worship israel just like fox news tell s me tooo!!! t. you
>>5985 Christian Identity, it’s a White Supremacist heresy of Christianity that says Jews are literal spawn of the devil and that White people are only humans and non-Whites are beasts of the field with no souls. It’s an evil heresy. >>5986 Repent or perish, devil
>>5991 ah ok im familiar with it, yeah its pretty much antithetical to the Bible. Even God told the Jews not to hate the Edomites or any race for that matter, and of course Ephesians 6:12 comes to mind
>>5991 The Talmud says to steal from gentiles and not pay the gentile appropriately for his work, I don't have to respect any culture that says that's ok.
>>5994 70% of Jews in America are hippie liberals and dont believe that. but if you hate Orthodox Jews thats up to you.
>>5991 Cope snakeseednigger
>>5995 Why are you shilling for the synagogue of satan, anon?
>>5994 I don’t care what the Talmud says, not every Jew cares about the Talmud. Christianity is anti-Judaism, not anti-Jew. Jews should convert to Christ and leave the Synagogue of Satan and become true children of Abraham again.
>>6001 Esau lost his inheritance anon.
>>6002 Christ was the light to the gentiles of the world. That includes Edomites.
>>6003 Then why did the apostles go to Europe and other White rejoins than to the edomites right next door? (The same edomites who infiltrated Judea and who were the pharisees who Christ called decedents of the devil in multiple verses)
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>>6009 many disciples preached in Judea, thats literally where Stephen was killed and countless others
>>6001 > Christianity is anti-Judaism Christianity is anti-heathen that includes Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Judaists, and every other non-Christian religion under the sun
>>6014 Judea was primarily White, aside from the edomites (iludeans)
>>6013 >He doesn't believe God guided the translation and phrase "Those who claim to be jews but are not, but are the synagogue of satan" like he did with all scripture
I'll put together concise evidence soon but until then I ask you to look through these things. https://t.me/American_Dissident
>>6020 Just search for words like jew, edom, israel, et, and you will find a wealth of information. The have good info too https://t.me/whiteisraelites Here is also a jew openly saying what they are doing. https://t.me/c/1455323636/68626
>>6019 The most popular Bible in the world the KJV is full of mistranslations. The only accurate versions are the original Greek and Hebrew here's the truth, none of the original transcripts that feature the verse were preserved up until 300-400 AD and by that time the word synagogue was already synonymous with Jewish Temple. In other words its a mistranslation, evidenced by the fact that the word "a" proceeds the phrase which makes no sense linguistically. Some scribe probably saw it and just assumed that it meant "Jewish Temple" and left it there because thats what it means every other time in the Bible. Its obvious tho based off of history that people knew what it meant (even till this day its known that the verse doesnt refer to a literal synagogue) so either way the truth prevailed. >>6018 white people were in Europe by that time and had been for many years. This Edomite narrative is retarded
>>6023 aswell its very obvious based off the wording and context of the verse that Jesus is referring to a very specific group of people located in these areas. Whether your interpret the verse as Him saying "these synagogues are run by satan" or as "congregations of satan" the point stands the same, the people persecuting the Christians in these specific areas were pawns of satan.
>>6009 Josephus testifies that under the Hasmonean dynasty that John Hyrcanus converted the Edomites to Jewish practices, and needless to say, we know that not all of the Apostles went to Europe. Many went to Ethiopia, to India, to Arabia, the Middle East, etc. There are many remnants of churches in Petra and surrounding areas from pre-Islamic times too, and Petra falls within the bounds of ancient Edom. Even today, a small percentage of historical Edom, modern Jordan, is Christian, with some of the oldest Christian communities in the world.
>>6023 >In other words its a mistranslation, evidenced by the fact that the word "a" proceeds the phrase which makes no sense linguistically. Some scribe probably saw it and just assumed that it meant "Jewish Temple" and left it there because thats what it means every other time in the Bible. It doesn't count because! It does not count okay! >white people were in Europe by that time and had been for many years. >Who is Japheth >What are the 10 lost tribes >>6035 >Josephus testifies that under the Hasmonean dynasty that John Hyrcanus converted the Edomites to Jewish practices And you do realize that the two Herod's taking over and the edomites infiltrating the priesthood resulting in all kinds of sin we see In Christ's time and beyond is the direct result of this, right? >Many went to Ethiopia, to India, to Arabia, the Middle East, etc. The majority went to Europe and the rest went to regions which were partially White.
>>6040 >It doesn't count because! It does not count okay! "who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a synagogue of Satan." "who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a congregation of Satan. " which one sounds linguistically correct to you? Its very obvious that its implying congregation, some people just dont want to admit it because theyre desperate to add Bibilical substance to their incorrect worldview. Either way whether you support my theory or whether you think it is referring to a literal synagogue the meaning and context are the same and any honest person will admit that. The verse is very obviously referring to a specific groups of Jews located in specific areas, anyone who tries to twist that is a liar and doing it for their own gain.
>>6040 >And you do realize that the two Herod's taking over and the edomites infiltrating the priesthood resulting in all kinds of sin we see In Christ's time and beyond is the direct result of this, right? they didnt "infiltrate the priesthood", they held power in ONE area and were promptly destroyed by God, unless you believe God was just kidding when He said we would erase them from the world. Aswell Jews had been twisting the Law for quite some time so this wasnt new like you suggest. >The majority went to Europe and the rest went to regions which were partially White. most of them went East only a handful went North toward Rome and spread their message there, it wasnt until decades after Jesus's death that the Gospel began being spread to Europeans
>>6040 >The majority went to Europe and the rest went to regions which were partially White. The oldest churches around today are in Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Syria, Jordan, Armenia and many other places that are most assuredly non-White. Many of the Apostles preached in Africa, Persia, India and other places as well as Europe. You've fallen for a demonic deception. Of course some of them would go to Europe, it was the hub of a massive empire and trade area. Your racial theories are bogus and non-Christian. Let's not even forget that Paul went and first preached to the Jews before he talked to the gentiles in many cases.
>>6056 his assertations are incorrect but some of what he is saying is true, there is some evidence to suggest that some of the people in Europe (specifically Britain) may be of Israelite decent and thus is why Peter went to go preach to them. correct me if im wrong
>>6064 There's more evidence that the Jews were scattered out into the Middle East and Africa, honestly. Ethiopia used to be filled with Israelites who traced their lineage from the lost tribe of Dan and was ruled over by a dynasty with links to King Solomon. Many Israelites were also congregated in modern Yemen, in Persia, and some, of course, became the Samaritans, who are descended from the Israelites of the northern Kingdom of Israel. Look up the Lemba people in Africa too - they are hypothesized to be descended from Israelites too. Most Israelite populations in Europe were pretty visible, Alexandria in Egypt was a major hub, so was Rome, etc.
>>6071 interesting, from what i was reading it sounds like theres a viable possibility that the Celts had Israelite blood in them due to where they originated
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>>6082 If one looks at their genetics though there seems to be no major link, and we don't see any linguistic or cultural links either. Also, though conversions to Judaism are not unheard of, genetic studies of Jews, whether Mizrahi, Sephardi or Ashkenazi are linkable back to Middle Eastern populations. If Celts had links to the Middle East or Israelites I think it would show up in studies.
>>6109 interesting. is it possible that over time their genetics became muddied? They did live in Europe amongst the Germans and other tribes for quite some time? just spitballing
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>>6115 I think we'd still even be able to detect them even if they were heavily muddled. In the case of Cochin Jews in India, who lived there from the time of Solomon onwards, we can see that genetically they have links to other Jews even though they have been separated by thousands of years and have mixed with the Indian population to an extent. The Lemba in Africa are an even more extreme case, but they have Middle Eastern genetics in them according to various studies, and have many remnants of Jewish practices such as believing themselves to be a chosen people, abstaining from intermarriage, practicing male circumcision, observing sabbath and not eating pork and similar things.
>>6109 Because you are looking for "semetic" and "jewish" genetics, rather than Israelite genetics.
>>6116 interesting, hmm whyd peter go to Britain tho? Seems like a weird place to go, do you have any insight?
>>6119 Jesus told them to preach the Gospel to every nation on Earth
>>6141 but didnt Jesus command Peter to preach to only Jews or am i misremembering?
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theres a schizo meme ive seen about how technology like smart phones allows demons to communicate with the world. and i was thinking about it and its kinda true to a degree. I mean modern technology is basically all your vices compiled into one, its literally Legion. idk if actual demons inhabit it or if it was just designed to mimic demonic possession but with how things are going thats how it seems. I mean its literally like people are possessed, i see no emotion in people anymore, its like over-using technology just makes you a entirely different person, Inhuman almost, maybe thats just part of societal conditioning idk, either way satan benefits.
>>6575 >see without seeing.jpg Reminds me of, and is probably based on, Psalm 115.
>>6576 yeah it does kinda match, i think its a reference to the Lesser Key of Solomon or one of the other related books
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>>6109 1. Israelites weren't Jews (Semitic, not Jewish) 2. There _are_ linguistic links between ancient and post-Indo-European languages and Hebrew >>>> https://youtu.be/OAAmwtdP1bE 3. Europeans are a conglomeration of three separate groups (Japhetite, being the Northmost Europeans; Semite, mostly Eastern Europeans; Hamite, Southern / Mediterranean European). >>>> https://youtu.be/B8Vx6ZfteoY
>>6585 i dont agree with everything in that infograph but it does make some interesting points. aswell i find it quite ironic that the UK (especially under Churchill) was so friendly toward Jews especially during a time of great hatred for them.
>>6585 Semitic = of Shem, as all Israelites were, and all ethnic Jews by extension then.
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>>6585 >1. Israelites weren't Jews (Semitic, not Jewish) how so?
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We know the statue of Liberty is the Whore but how is it related to Babylon? maybe this sheds some light?
>>8296 Please just make it all stop. Jesus was a Jew, he said so himself. Jew is a multipurpose word meaning an ethnicity and/or religion. Any more on the topic comes from genuine crazy people with literal tinfoil hats and I am not exaggerating.
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also i find it quite ironic that this seal was adopted by France (replacing Marianne) in the same year that Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto.
>>9052 *published the Communist manifesto
>>8296 I currently come from mostly Anglo-Saxon DNA, my mother comprised of 60% English, 39% Scottish, and 1% Spanish. The Jews were of Celtic/Iberian DNA, scattered across Europe. For example, Adolf Hitler came from the Haplogroup E1b, which 20% of Ashkenazi Jews derive. This is where I came up with the concept that Adolf Hitler was a reincarnation of King Saul. I had put this together in 2011 or so, and later on, a pastor repeated it to me. I presume the Holy Spirit gave him that. DNA is more obscure, but bloodlines are different.
>>9055 Of course, gentiles never believe this when you say it, because Esau is the bloodline which thinks that everything a Jew says is a lie.
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>>9056 GENTILES! When will they ever learn! They are their uncircumcised penises must be stopped at all costs.
>>9058 Well, Paul said uncircumcised doesn't really matter, which I understand. It actually all revolves around how much humility I decide to take on.
It's not even worth living in to be honest. That's why we need to destroy the entire world. It's nasty. It's big nasty. Like, just scummy and weird. I don't know, man. Ya gotta do somethin' different
Don't buy lottery tickets. Don't go to casinos. Don't engage in prostitution.
>What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
"This is scary" I know, but you should have listened a long time ago.
lets talk some about Greek (and by extension Roman) religions. i have a basic understanding of it, i know it started out as ancestor worship and then later came to envelope nature worship aswell but what confuses me are certain elements of it. For example you have what seem to be overt homages to Mesopotamian religions aswell as weird and seemingly out of character deities like Prometheus. their religion seems to have no logical progression beyond a certain point, im wondering if any anons can give me some insight into this.
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>>9881 doing some research on the issue, i found this blurb interesting. It reminds me alot of Christianity and how the Early Church fathers didnt believe in hell
>>9881 nevermind i figured it out
after reading into Greek morality and Chinese morality/religion ive realized that all the successful civilizations have shared common attributes with Christianity
>>9882 >It reminds me alot of Christianity and how the Early Church fathers didnt believe in hell You are reading a bunch of absolute nonsense.
>>9930 not equating the two, thats just what it reminded me of
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>>6000 >>6013 >synagogue of satan Pharisees are the precursor to modern day Judaism with Rabbis (Rabbinic Judaism). Mark 7 7 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. 2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. >7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. >8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. ... "ye hold the tradition of men" i.e. the tradition of Pharisees.
>>10961 >Pharisees are the precursor to modern day Judaism with Rabbis (Rabbinic Judaism). yes and no, Pharisees are the precursor to modern day ORTHODOX Judaism, Reform Judaism is its own beast.

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