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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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I have been spiraling Anonymous 01/25/2023 (Wed) 02:13:47 ID: d41be8 No.23523
Anon's this board may not be perfect but it has been a good place for me to be whenever I am online. To be frank I have not been at peace the past few days. My father is not saved and he is getting old, I have been debating with myself whether free will is even real, how predestination works and if it does, does that mean anything I do has true meaning or am I just a pawn in things I do not understand. I have only found peace with prayer and working out, I have faith in my Lord but perhaps this is just showing me how much I have to grow in trusting the Lord, perhaps this is just my flesh fighting my spirit but advice or prayers would be greatly appreciated.
>My father is not saved and he is getting old Is there a reason he's not saved? Ignorance? Disbelief? Loss of faith due to some past event? Some other reason? >I have been debating with myself whether free will is even real, how predestination works and if it does, does that mean anything I do has true meaning or am I just a pawn in things I do not understand Free will is absolutely real. There is a difference between knowing what is going to happen and having complete control over it. God knows all that was, is, and ever will be, and while he certainly has the choice to decide how events play out, ultimately, you have control over your own destiny. You can decide to be saved or not saved. You can decide to live in sin or live in grace. God knows who will be saved in the end, but ultimately that is their choice to make. If God deemed everyone to be saved then there would be no free will, as we would be obligated without choice by the spirit to follow Him. >I have only found peace with prayer and working out, I have faith in my Lord but perhaps this is just showing me how much I have to grow in trusting the Lord Two excellent examples of strengthening yourself spiritually and physically, keep both of them up. We are constantly tested in our faith; why God puts us through traumatic events is something that is best left undiscussed. All I will say is that it does happen, and that God does not give us more than we can take. It's up to you what to make of each situation. >perhaps this is just my flesh fighting my spirit but advice or prayers would be greatly appreciated. This post is my advice to you. I will pray for you as well.
>>23523 Prepare a gospel presentation. Show him in the scriptures what Jesus has done for him. The Word of God is more powerful than any philosophical arguments we could come up with. I've argued for years with friends, trying to convince them of the truth, but the most logical philosophical arguments still haven't converted them. If you want your father to be saved, read him the scriptures. Try chapters 3-4 in Romans and finish with John 3:16. It's a great comfort to know that even though I'm a sinner, Jesus died for me and justified me before the Father. In my experience, most unsaved people have a vague notion that Christianity is just another works-based religion (i.e.: be good enough and you'll go to heaven). No one gets saved believing that.
>>23524 >>23525 Thank you for your responses, I appreciate them very much, now about my father. The challenge with him is the following. > He is old (60) > He has had very bad experiences with churches in the past (pastor exposed as a rapist/pedophile/scam artist, as such thinks of churches as businesses) > due to his age and declining health he takes everything very jokingly and not seriously > what little times I have attempted to read the bible he interrupts and makes a quip or some random remark, thus derailing the whole conversation Now even with all his flaws and to be very frank he is an asshole, what can I do, because that asshole is my dad and I love him, so much it hurts
>>23526 >as such thinks of churches as businesses Unfortunately, he's probably right about many (if not most) of them. (2 Peter 2:1-3) Maybe if you show him that the Bible warned us about these false teachers it might break the ice. Keep praying every day for God to open his eyes. It may ultimately be up to your father's free will, but God can break through the toughest hearts. He loves you because you trusted in Jesus. Trust that he'll also love the people you love. >he takes everything very jokingly and not seriously That's a tough one. Maybe he's uncomfortable/terrified being reminded of certain death and is trying to put it out of his mind, hence the interruptions. The only thing that can relieve that fear is the faith that Jesus paid it all.
>>23523 >I have been debating with myself whether free will is even real, how predestination works and if it does, does that mean anything I do has true meaning or am I just a pawn in things I do not understand. You are free when you are a participant in God's grace which cleanses you of your sin. Otherwise you are a slave to sin. Free will is kind of a moot question because freedom apart from God is vanity.
>>23532 Yes I figured that would be the case, a brother of Christ IRL told me something the night before that has encouraged me a little. I am still demoralized in many things atm but I do hope deep down my father will hear me out, God willing that be the case
>>23533 If you could explain that if possible I would appreciate it, bible verses would be a great help also
>>23535 I am just going to post these verses which I assembled, but held off on posting earlier as I was looking for an additional verse which I was unable to find: "Watch and pray so that you will not enter into temptation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” Matthew 26:41 Paul elaborates in Romans chapter 7 and 8: "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot discover how to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you. Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Romans 7:14-25, 8:1-14 Jesus explains who is a slave to sin: "As Jesus spoke these things, many believed in Him. So He said to the Jews who had believed Him, 'If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.' 'We are Abraham’s descendants,' they answered. 'We have never been slaves to anyone. How can You say we will be set free?' Jesus replied, 'Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.' John 8:30-36 Paul explains redemption of the cross: "Aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection. We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. For anyone who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again; death no longer has dominion over Him. The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey it in its desires. Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that when you offer yourselves as obedient slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you once were slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were committed. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness." Romans 6:3-18 Paul on the action of God within the life of the saved: "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13 Solomon's testimony on the foolishness of earthly pursuits, and his instruction: "I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. And I set my mind to seek and explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid upon the sons of men to occupy them! I have seen all the things that are done under the sun, and have found them all to be futile, a pursuit of the wind." Ecclesiasties 1:12-14 "When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, along with every hidden thing, whether good or evil." Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Paul on how our works will be tested: "For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." 1 Corinthians 3:9-15 James on the perfecting of faith in works: "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.' And he was called the friend of God." James 1:21-23

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