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About whether the Devil/Satan exists or not Anonymous 08/16/2022 (Tue) 10:02:35 No.16196
I've read this article/essay (supposedly written by Christians) about how the Devil/Satan isn't a real thing. https://christiansfortruth.com/how-the-devil-and-satan-are-defined-by-scripture/ It's hard to believe at first, but I wouldn't say it's too implausible either. What do you guys think? Please read the article/essay in its entirety before posting on this thread.
>>16196 If there is no satan, then who attempted to tempt Christ in the desert?
>>16203 An analogy for materia prima, of becoming and Christ being?
14/88 send jews to hell
>>16204 Does it agree with the patristic teachings?
>>16205 7/44 send infidels to hell
>>16196 Good i am tired of being christian, i ought to convert to judaism.
Metaphysics is not explainable in terms of 'things'. Satan is a person, but he is not a thing. These supposed Christians are simply ignorant of philosophy.
B. U. M. P.
Well I'm glad the non-existent devil will be tormented forever in the lake of fire. I definitely don't think you can read the accounts of Jesus and believe evil spirits were just mental illnesses not persons. What's even the point of describing impure spirits as going out of the body and wandering dry places talking about we are legion. And some of the article gets into the Old Testament God-only confusion. Because the Old Testament constantly refers to angels as YHWH and things like that. Which is why in Jesus' day the Sadducees didn't even think angels were independent beings but just God manifesting himself. Or when God sends a bad spirit to someone and so on. Satan is referred to as a person with schemes. There's also lots of allegory but you can get lost into too much allegory, like reading Jesus' parables and forgetting they are talking about real actual things and people like the Pharisees or Israel or God or himself. Real things even if it's allegory. Ezekiel 28 Even though many do this it seems far out for Word of the Lord to say to the King of Tyre you were in the Garden of Eden and you were a Guardian Cherub and have been cast down to Earth and all the rest of it. The King of Tyre was a man that the Word of the Lord rebukes but he also then goes on to rebuke Satan behind him the true king above the prince. Hell has prisons for example and there's many reasons to believe it's an actual place yet many will say it's not a place with latitude and longitude and definitely not within the Earth. "Hell is being apart from God it's all just spiritually you simply don't understand." things like this. It's all rather bothersome but he full truth will be revealed. Likewise some Christians even will say "Heaven is not a literal place with like houses and stuff oh you simple uneducated child. Heaven is that which is the hierarchy of state of being of the person toward God that which is beyond state being beyond that which beyond hierarchy of that which is right and path that which.... idiot!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RNWPkxTTx4 The article goes through the things which it thinks supports its idea. And I have no interest in going through everything else. But I think the devil is a spiritual being I think spiritual beings certainly exist that can move around the Earth. He is not omnipresent so he literally has to be somewhere right now doing something. You'll never cross paths you're not important enough but his demons are all over the place going here and there. Jesus says in Revelation the Devil had a throne which after was laying undisturbed for nearly 2,000 years until Germans began to dig it up and brought it back to Germany in 1901, but I don't think Germany suffered any ill effects from doing that. I don't know where Satan's headquarters would be now, it's fine not to get carried away either too much into demonology but nor the other extreme of saying these spiritual beings simply don't exist I mean we know angels exist because they literally interact with people in the Bible. And the devil is behind Baal and all the false Gods. The article does ignore as far as I see the most famous encounter not Job but Jesus' 40 days. I mean the devil is talking to him brings him up places and the idea would be what God is doing it, just dangerous to even think that.
A chance missed to post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOVVN-9qbwc It's also interesting the similarities because the King of Tyre was claiming to be God. It's really the entire thing of Satan. From the snake in Eden. It's always about being God until the end where Paul gives the most important sign of the end times: Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction. He opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. Because the antichrist wants to be Christ. He wants desperately to be God and he wants to be the Godman. An Antichrist is a man whom Satan is behind working together in the way that God works in the believer with his spirit. Satan is only one spirit so he can only do one person one antichrist at a time where as God can do millions of people with his spirit that is so funny to me, God just humiliates the devil in every chance. There may be a million demons but there's a 100 billion angels. I want to bring up as well I have not read any of what Bible.ca has written about this but they seem very interested in mental illness and spirits. And I think there is a certain part of society a small world where people have seen true demonic possession and it's simply not some kind of mental illness I think the exorcist world has testimony enough to say there's a certain difference at a certain point where it's simply obvious evil spirits and possession are real. https://www.bible.ca/psychiatry/welcome.htm And we have Atheists, taking hallucinogenic drugs and things and calling themselves God, not the devil but calling themselves God and doing crazy things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2DdG098lBE Drugs are called sorcery in the Bible. And you can say weeell what's really happening I mean how does demon possession even work anyway does it really make sense and temptation and all this I mean come on. Well God's Spirit you have to say can live in people and help and aid people and do all that. So. We might not be able to understand it, play a roller coaster tycoon 2 and read all the thoughts of the characters, to us they barely think and we can look at them and see all their thoughts and status. Yet from their perspective that's just insane and weird. https://streamable.com/3jx2hh
There is a group of Christians don't believe that devil is an actual being, i watched a debate about it, in the Old testament "ha-satan" is a title but in the New testament it's a name. It doesn't matter if Satan is real, the point is the rich and powerful do believe in him and are practicing satanists.
>>17508 Here is the debate btw, it's if Satan and demons are personal beings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No87xbZ2_CM
The Jews are not the ultimate enemy, Satanism is, and the Jews fall under the Satanic umbrella. Jews are only one of the groups in power subverting the world, while satanism encompasses any group with secret rituals or magic practicing or worship of a satanic entity (any non-Christian God), any group that goes against God by trying to confuse the genders or make woman higher than men, or legitimize homosexuality.
Are libertarians satanists? What about randians? Those are definitely satanic.
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>>18636 Ayn Rand was very compatible with satanism, even churches are satanic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5OFl3LKKds&feature=emb_logo
>>16196 The LORD God cast devils into pigs. If you believe Jesus Christ is God, then you believe it when His Word says He cast demons into pigs.
Christ the LORD said the Jews were the Synagogue of Satan. Are we saying Christ was wrong? Why even post here then if we think Christ was fallible? And in looking at the world today, it's pretty clear that Christ was absolutely right.
>>18636 Not all of them, but a worrying number of them are.
>>18810 >Are we saying Christ was wrong? YesChad.png
>>18810 Jews that reject Christ are the Synagogue of Satan. Anyone who is not of Christ is of the devil. This includes atheists and others who make common cause, knowingly or not, with demons. Jews are not some unique inherently evil group, many of them embraced Christ when he came to this world and understood that the New Covenant had come. If you maintain that all Jews are somehow evil by nature, you blaspheme the Lord, his apostles and the prophets.
>>18810 Synagogue is a Greek word meaning assembly. They were literally assembling to serve Satanic ends in trying to put him to death. There are many Satanists in this world as >>18924 says
It doesn't matter if Satan exists or not, that doesn't invalidate the influence that Satanists have on our life.
>>18924 >Jews that reject Christ are the Synagogue of Satan Semantics. Jews are the Hebrews that rejected Christ. We call the Hebrews that accepted Christ as the Son of God "Christians". The apostles were all Christians, anon.
>>16196 so who is satan?
>>20947 https://www.gotquestions.org/who-Satan.html >People’s beliefs concerning Satan range from the silly to the abstract—from a little red guy with horns who sits on your shoulder urging you to sin, to an expression used to describe the personification of evil. The Bible, however, gives us a clear portrait of who Satan is and how he affects our lives. Put simply, the Bible defines Satan as an angelic being who fell from his position in heaven due to sin and is now completely opposed to God, doing all in his power to thwart God’s purposes. >Satan was created as a holy angel. Isaiah 14:12 possibly gives Satan’s pre-fall name as Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:12-14 describes Satan as having been created a cherub, apparently the highest created angel. He became arrogant in his beauty and status and decided he wanted to sit on a throne above that of God (Isaiah 14:13-14; Ezekiel 28:15; 1 Timothy 3:6). Satan’s pride led to his fall. Notice the many “I will” statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Because of his sin, God permanently removed Satan from his exalted position and role. >Satan became the ruler of this world and the prince of the power of the air (John 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 2:2). He is an accuser (Revelation 12:10), a tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5), and a deceiver (Genesis 3; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:3). His very name means “adversary” or “one who opposes.” Another of his titles, the devil, means “slanderer.” >Even though he was cast out of heaven, he still seeks to elevate his throne above God. He counterfeits all that God does, hoping to gain the worship of the world and encourage opposition to God’s kingdom. Satan is the ultimate source behind every false cult and world religion. Satan will do anything and everything in his power to oppose God and those who follow God. However, Satan’s destiny is sealed—an eternity in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
>>16196 A Christian who thinks Satan and Hell do not exist is not a Christian. They are a liberal.
>>20955 Liberals are satan.
>>20958 Liberals are not Satan, but their goals match up with Satanists.
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Elon Musk's Satanic Halloween costume.
>>20990 Bros looking like the alternate reality doomslayer
>>20995 Except he'd be on the side of the demons.
The Bible is the inspired word of God. The Bible says there is a satan, and there are demons. I believe it. Please read the Bible before reading Op's. The devil temps, you give into that temptation and sin. End of story.

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