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Roman empire Anonymous 09/17/2021 (Fri) 01:27:21 No.1510
Can anyone debunk the the theory that Revelation was about events happening contemporaneous to its writing, like revelation being about the Roman empire?
>>1510 Yes, it is about the roman empire we are currently living in.
>>1516 Sorry i'm confused, What about the one world government predicted in the future, or is that Rome? Do you have an article that explains this? Most of the articles that i found that talks about this says that it was about the Roman empire of biblical times.
>>1518 You should read more scripture than articles
If mods will allow me to necrobump this, I'm interested in this topic as well. I haven't heard many apologists talk about this, though that could simply be because I haven't searched for it. A shame the userbase had to splinter and most of the anons with good resources left.
>>1556 This is a new thing with image boards being against necrobumping, i remember old school 4chan didn't care if you bumped an old thread.
>>1510 Well the events described in Revelation are described as something global ,and don't mention a specific group most of the time John says "Man" ,instead of Roman ,Greek,Israelite ,etc, not to mention that the events described would be noticed globally ,thing which didn't happen as we don't have other cultures records about things as the Mark of The Beast, constant mortality , disturbances between solar and lunar,etc. But I haven't heard to much things about the Revelation being a Roman only thing so if someone could share something please do.
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>>1570 It is about the entire world generally. But explicit typologies designate that the "Mystery Babylon" entity in Revelation 17–19 is the Roman empire/catholicism. This is probably where you are getting that connection from. The whore sitting on the beast represents the unholy fusion of state and "church". It also represents the so-called last kingdom of Antichrist. This last kingdom has to occur before God the Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ returns. The church was always meant to represent the kingdom of Christ. We are supposed to be His ambassadors, as it says in the New Testament. Jesus said in John 18:36, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." Hence, we see that any entities that are a creation of the corrupt form known as the state church, of which Roman Catholicism is just one, are overall represented by this whore sitting on a beast. The whore itself being the one who corrupts the kings of earth through her fornication, by allowing grievous, ungodly and unrepentant sinners in its midst simply because they are powerful or important. Constantine the Great for instance. The beast that this whore rides on is the state apparatus, which was originally the Roman Empire; later it fallaciously called itself "Christendom," being the enemy of truth and liberty under God; and the same will ultimately end up being the New World Order / One World Government in the end times. All along this time, this entity has the constant idea of using the state apparatus to crush those that do not agree with its leaders by force, imprisoning or torturing them, such as in the various persecutions and Inquisitions. It doesn't really follow the Bible or any of the precepts of Christ, it only outwardly pretends to do so, this enormous pretence being one of satan's tools to bring the masses under its sway, under a totally false church, a congregation of the polluted and damned, by alluring to the lusts of their flesh, using it to tell them sinful behavior is appropriate, telling them to kill and destroy those who do not assimilate and recognize its leaders, etc. Sometimes the state church is split into multiple units. When this happens, you get wars like the Thirty Years War where different state churches battle for supremacy. In the end times, it is predicted that there will be one massive state church, this being the great whore of Babylon that Revelation speaks of. And the beast that it sits on would be the One World Government that it tries to create. But yes in general the book of Revelation deals with the world, not just the area of the old Roman Empire.
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>>1570 >But I haven't heard to much things about the Revelation being a Roman only thing so if someone could share something please do. I made the thread because of these two posts, and i've heard another guys say a similar thing on his youtube channel.
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>>1572 Totally agree that the beast will be a government,and rule pretty much everything,in Earth. But I'm gonna ask a very stupid question what if it's only Earth which falls under the anti-christ and eventually under God's justice? Something strange is that there isn't any mention of space or "outer colonies" of Israel or Roman descend, maybe while the Earth falls under temptation and jealousy between them , a generation made by Christians grow in new planets ,with good morals,good living conditions,and knowledge. But man,(or in this case any other human descendants,martians,venunites), isn't perfect and they will forget and fall as we humans did. But those colonies of us will create pure colonies as we did. So maybe(NOTE: THIS IS A FLIMSY HYPOTHESIS WHICH COMES FROM A GUY WHO ISN'T AN EXPERT IN REVELATION) , John didn't described the end of everything but the start of a cycle . >>1572
>>1510 Why do you want to "debunk" this particular interpretation of the book of revelations, OP? More over what is your preferred interpretation and how do you back it up?
>>1581 >there isn't any mention of space or "outer colonies" of Israel or Roman descend, maybe while the Earth falls under temptation and jealousy between them , a generation made by Christians grow in new planets ,with good morals,good living conditions,and knowledge. Anon, let me ask you this, what part of the Bible mentions space travel or outer space in any way?
>>1577 I agree with everything in pic related but why is it a problem for OP? Is it because this is a more "down to earth" interpretation of revelations? Because it implies Jesus should have returned around the time of the fall of the Roman Empire but for some reason didn't? Why is this interpretation so offensive to some people?
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>>1598 >>1600 I want to debunk it because it seems to conflicts with the one world government and one world currency interpretation. The one world government/New World order interpretation is also promoted in the media so it has modern ties. >Revelation 13:3One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, ""and the whole world"" marveled and followed the beast. 4They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?” >Revelation 13:7 Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority ""over every tribe and people and tongue and nation"" >Revelation 13:16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name. The Rome interpretation cheapens Christianity to having it just be about the time it was created instead of a grand conspiratorial exposing.
>>1601 The Roman Empire is the entity that came the closest to world domination, its fall was believed by many to be the end of the world, so none of your citations debunk anything. Also why would you trust the media when it comes to Bible interpolation? I think most Christians are comfortable relegating the coming of the anti-Christ to the future because it means you get to have a normal happy life for a while. Mean while many of the things you fear are already in place like the global currency in the form of petrol-dollar and many global organizations coming closer and closer to power, but NO you need the anti-Christ to announce himself and then you will start worrying.
>>1602 >but NO you need the anti-Christ to announce himself and then you will start worrying. Not Biblical. See John 16:33. "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
>>1599 Well I think humans will have enough technological knowledge to travel to space,(even if they suffer spiritual degeneration)
>>1606 >Well I think humans will have enough technological knowledge to travel to space,(even if they suffer spiritual degeneration) True, in fact we could establish some kind of colonies in the sol system but why would they not degenerate while the earthlings did?
>>1602 >why would you trust the media when it comes to Bible interpolation? It's not really the media's interpretation of the bible, it's that the media promotes the New World Order which goes against the Bible's warning of a One world government.
>>1605 >Not Biblical. See John 16:33. Yeah and yet this is how most Christians think, that is my point. If the apocalypse is in the future than you get to have a little time to live your life which is comforting, but not an honest interpretation of the world or the scriptures.
>>1510 There can be multiple fulfilments of prophecy OP.
>>1609 >If the apocalypse is in the future than you get to have a little time to live your life I don't know where you get that. In Mark 13:32-33 it says, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." And in 2 Peter 3 it says, "10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?" It makes perfect sense that the end times are still coming. There was also this parable told in Luke: "And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God." Luke 12:15-21
>>1607 Disconnection, colonies are made by the unwanted from society, they would hate the earthlings or simply don't agree with their live-style, also technical problems,it would be to make an interplanetary communication system like the internet . So they would grow up with Christian values or other values that are less degenerate , while being isolated,also in revelation they never speak of the outer colonies falling.

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