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Anonymous 08/10/2021 (Tue) 17:47:14 No.1303
Are the priests obsolete now? Most of them aren't better educated than rest of the population and everyone can get to know the scripture better by reading it themselves. Recordkeeping, medicine and education are handled by non religious entities. They aren't even that good at preserving christian traditions and virtues. I guess they do missionary work but jehovah witnesses send regular followers so is there any point in having dedicated priest class/occupation anymore?
The major priestly action is to be a counselor in society, back then they could easily manage to do so because the population was much smaller but nowadays there's tons of people. Yet with the reduced affluence they still can't manage to do it properly and if anything became an authoritative figure that punished and publicly shamed those who sought help. Doesn't make things better that many of them are obviously homos, kid diddling aside some never reduce their lisp and suffer a lot from it.
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>>1303 The Levitical priesthood has been obsolete since ~2000 years ago. Meanwhile, every "Catholic" priesthood, as commonly understood by our definitions today, has never been part of the church to begin with. This includes the Roman Catholics and others. These priests are about as relevant to us as the priests and priesthood of Baal which Elijah confronted on Mount Carmel. They historically represent evil, wicked people who want to destroy the Bible and knowledge of it, while posing satanically as its ambassadors. As it says in 2 Corinthians 11:13, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ." >jehovah witnesses send regular followers so is there any point in having dedicated priest class/occupation anymore? Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult. They are run by the watchtower society who creates falsified versions of the Bible, like the New World Version. >is there any point in having dedicated priest class/occupation anymore? Yes because it says in Scripture that all saved people are priests and kings, and Jesus Christ is our high priest. This is core to the Gospel, the Great Commission given to the entire church, which includes every member, to reach the lost with the word of God. It is by God's word that we are born again, as Peter tells us in 1 Peter 1:23. "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." The Lord tells us in Scripture the following: John 5:24— "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
>>1309 Also because of what I wrote above, we see that the Gospel is as the apostle Paul described it, we are saved by grace through faith. That is why the New Testament says in Ephesians 2:8-9 the following: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." The Bible also says this about salvation by grace instead of works: "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." - Romans 11:6 Therefore all men are "commanded to believe," like John says in the New Testament in 1 John 3: "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." In Acts 17:30, it is also said that we are "commanded to repent," which means to stop placing our faith in ungodly things, in anything that's not the Lord, and instead turn toward God; for salvation is of the Lord. As it is said to the church in Colossians 1, God has "translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins". Amen. If you have any questions on this, by all means let the rest of us know. See you later, anon.
>>1310 Are you a pastor anon? You should be, and found the first church online. God bless.
>>1310 >The Bible also says this about salvation by grace instead of works So someone can be passive and never do good deeds but still be redeemed? and someone who is a benefactor but say, has some doubts about what will happen after death, will be condemned? That line seems to speak to me more about real grace is doing works without considering them so as they are done naturally, and vice versa, both are one and the same sentiment.
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>>1312 We read in Philippians 1:6, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" So then unless we are in a situation like the thief on the cross who was saved only minutes before his death, we can be confident like Paul that God, who has begun a good work in us, shall be able to perform it until the day of Jesus Christ's return. We are saved by grace, and so everything that follows is of the same source. The apostle Peter wrote at the beginning of 1 Peter these lines: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." The important point here at least to me is that the works done by the saved person is done by grace, and so we cannot take credit for it. We cannot really say that we are saved by works, except "the works of God" rather than of us. This includes faith being the work of God. As Paul wrote in Romans 3, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." He also said in 1 Corinthians this, "But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - 1 Cor. 15:10 It follows by the same logic that, If God was able to save us, He is also able to produce good fruit in us. But one can never credit those works as being that which saves, because salvation is entirely of the Lord. And like it says in Romans 4, Abraham was justified before he did any works.
>>1313 Amen. Salvation by works was a perversion of the Roman church, and its disciples that seek to enthrone due credit to men in the place of God.
>>1313 Thank you for your explanation, but it still feels wrong, doing nothing but have faith seems too passive and even perverse when one opts to not get involved in earthly matters that do not have anything to do with us even if we can do something to alleviate it. Kinda nullifies the act of the Samaritan saving the injured man on the side of the road, he could've easily ignored him due to being foreign to his personal journey. Yet he saved him and made the other guy believe in a higher power who gave him another chance by having one of His children respond.
>>1315 God also commands us to make disciples of all nations. You would be neglecting that responsibility if you claimed to have "faith" but it drove you to produce no fruits in ministry thereof that God's glory may ever be more apparent to men.
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>>1315 >Thank you for your explanation, but it still feels wrong, doing nothing but have faith seems too passive Going back to 1 John 3:23, which I quoted earlier, "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." Obviously, the Bible is full of commandments. But Christ Himself once told us, "The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." So we see in 1 John 3:23 the fulfillment of both of these two commandments, and by following these with everything we have we also are entailed to do the rest that is expected of us as followers. As it says in S. John 14.15, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." He also said in S. John 8, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." We see there are three things that abide, faith hope and charity, but the greatest of these three is charity (love). (1 Cor. 13:13)

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