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Praying the Psalms Anonymous 05/19/2022 (Thu) 20:55:49 No.11364
What do you guys make of using the Psalms as a prayer book? I'm an Orthodox Christian and just recently purchased a pocket sized Psalter (pic related, it's the one I bought from Jordanville), and decided to incorporate the Psalms into my daily prayer life. Do any of you pray the Psalms? Have you considered it? Do you use the Septuagint or Masoretic Texts as the basis for your Psalter?
The psalms were meant to be sung. The psalter is the true hymnal, composed by the hand of God.
I'm certain you're supposed to pray from your heart rather than just repeating what someone else wrote down. There is a reason that the word says to avoid 'vain repetitions'.
>>11364 Psalms are built into the order for daily prayer for Anglicans so yes. It occurs to me now that this might not be the case for other Christians. Do you not have appointed psalms in your private devotions in EO? I generally use the Coverdale translation in my 1662 BCP which is still the most poetic and pleasing-to-the-ears version of Psalms in English today. The translation of that Bible generally comes from the Greek and Latin as far as I'm aware although I'm not greatly knowledgeable in these things.
>>11430 >There is a reason that the word says to avoid 'vain repetitions'. Yes: "for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking"
>>11364 I pray the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It's mostly psalms, three for the main prayers and one for the smaller ones during the main part of the day.
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>>11364 Praying through the Psalms has helped me through many difficult times. Sometimes one's heart aches to pray, but does not have the words, or is distressed and cannot focus. I open the Psalms and pray with David, as I would a friend or family member, praying through multiple psalms and following their ups and downs, until my prayers are answered and I am given peace. >Do you use the Septuagint or Masoretic Texts as the basis for your Psalter? Sometimes I consult the Orthodox Study Bible (especially for its notes), but I must confess: I have a weakness for the beauty of the King James Version's Psalms. Like much ancient literature and most poetry, the Bible was written to be either read aloud or heard from another, and the KJV's translators were particularly sensitive to this. The way it flows and sounds is beautiful, spellbinding, and I cannot get enough of it. >>11430 >>11436 >There is a reason that the word says to avoid 'vain repetitions'. Which is immediately followed by Jesus giving The Lord's Prayer, a prayer which Jesus himself repeated multiple times throughout his life and instructed us to pray as well. Note that he specifies vain repetition, not repetition per se. Scripture is read, recited, or quoted, not improvised, and yet it still enters your heart. You can sing the Psalms from your heart, and many (if not all) of these Psalms are also prayers. So tell me: if a psalm, which is doubles as a prayer, is prayed instead of chanted, sung, or read as a lecture, does it cease to be from the heart?
>>11448 Does he mean vain as in praying the prayer without any reverence in it or did he mean vain as in praying publicly as the Pharisees did to show off how pious they were, or both?
>>11430 Praying from your heart doesn't mean you can't repeat the prayers of others. Repetitions only become "vain" when you don't put your heart into it. The Psalms were the prayerbook of the Hebrews, and then later the early Christians. Were they praying in vain?
>>11435 The pic I shared in OP is the Psalter that I own; it uses the Coverdale translation as well, slightly augmented to fit the Psalter structure that the Orthodox Church uses. They are sorted into "Kathismata," which consist of generally 3 psalms, with interspersed Orthodox prayers, followed by more Psalms. The monastic rule of praying the Psalms is organized that they would pray the entirety of the Psalms in one week normally, and they would pray the whole Psalter twice a week during Great Lent. I, being a layman and also bogged down by sins of laziness and apathy, obviously do not keep this rule. Generally I'll just read some prayers, recite 3-8 Psalms, and close in prayer.
>>11689 It's a true delight to read, isn't it? It may be the most beautiful writing ever put to the English tongue. I feel sorry for any ESL-kun who can't appreciate it. If you follow the BCP properly, you are supposed to get through the entire psalter every month but there are certain psalms that are read more frequently. Here's a comparison of Psalm 51. 50 for you >Coverdale/Great Bible/BCP Have mercy upon me, O God, after thy great goodness : according to the multitude of thy mercies do away mine offences. Wash me throughly from my wickedness : and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my faults : and my sin is ever before me. Against thee only have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight : that thou mightest be justified in thy saying, and clear when thou art judged. Behold, I was shapen in wickedness : and in sin hath my mother conceived me. But lo, thou requirest truth in the inward parts: and shalt make me to understand wisdom secretly. Thou shalt purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean : thou shalt wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Thou shalt make me hear of joy and gladness : that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice. Turn thy face from my sins : and put out all my misdeeds. Make me a clean heart, O God : and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence : and take not thy holy Spirit from me. O give me the comfort of thy help again : and stablish me with thy free Spirit. Then shall I teach thy ways unto the wicked : and sinners shall be converted unto thee. Deliver me from blood-guiltiness, O God, thou that art the God of my health : and my tongue shall sing of thy righteousness. Thou shalt open my lips, O Lord : and my mouth shall shew thy praise. For thou desirest no sacrifice, else would I give it thee : but thou delightest not in burnt-offerings. The sacrifice of God is a troubled spirit : a broken and contrite heart, O God, shalt thou not despise. O be favourable and gracious unto Sion : build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifice of righteousness, with the burnt-offerings and oblations : then shall they offer young bullocks upon thine altar. >NIV which sounds prosaic as if one were reciting facts rather than pouring out one's soul before God Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions. Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge. Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place. Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean; wash me, and I will be whiter than snow. Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones you have crushed rejoice. Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me. Then I will teach transgressors your ways, so that sinners will turn back to you. Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God, you who are God my Savior, and my tongue will sing of your righteousness. Open my lips, Lord, and my mouth will declare your praise. You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise. May it please you to prosper Zion, to build up the walls of Jerusalem. Then you will delight in the sacrifices of the righteous, in burnt offerings offered whole; then bulls will be offered on your altar. >And, just for shits and giggles, the Message "translation." Imagine coming to mass one day and this is recited. Generous in love—God, give grace! Huge in mercy—wipe out my bad record. Scrub away my guilt, soak out my sins in your laundry. I know how bad I’ve been; my sins are staring me down. You’re the One I’ve violated, and you’ve seen it all, seen the full extent of my evil. You have all the facts before you; whatever you decide about me is fair. I’ve been out of step with you for a long time, in the wrong since before I was born. What you’re after is truth from the inside out. Enter me, then; conceive a new, true life. Soak me in your laundry and I’ll come out clean, scrub me and I’ll have a snow-white life. Tune me in to foot-tapping songs, set these once-broken bones to dancing. Don’t look too close for blemishes, give me a clean bill of health. God, make a fresh start in me, shape a Genesis week from the chaos of my life. Don’t throw me out with the trash, or fail to breathe holiness in me. Bring me back from gray exile, put a fresh wind in my sails! Give me a job teaching rebels your ways so the lost can find their way home. Commute my death sentence, God, my salvation God, and I’ll sing anthems to your life-giving ways. Unbutton my lips, dear God; I’ll let loose with your praise. Going through the motions doesn’t please you, a flawless performance is nothing to you. I learned God-worship when my pride was shattered. Heart-shattered lives ready for love don’t for a moment escape God’s notice. Make Zion the place you delight in, repair Jerusalem’s broken-down walls. Then you’ll get real worship from us, acts of worship small and large, Including all the bulls they can heave onto your altar!
>>11364 No it makes me feel jewish
>>12509 aloha akbar shalom my brudder
The psalter is good reason to learn classical Hebrew. The perfection of the hymns becomes evident syllable by syllable. Surely, the Hebrew language does NOT belong to the Talmudic 'Israelites' of today any more than it belongs to the followers of the Messiah.
>>12509 this.

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