>Does God's good creation exist within us or does original sin override that? Humans are still naturally good we are just prone to commit sin now. Most of the bad things done throughout human history were done because the person doing them thought they were good.

We are inherently fallen. Disposed to good, but easily corrupted. Rousseau is wrong, but so is Hobbes.

Read the Bible. The heart of man is evil.

>>10860 Total depravity, eh? Spiritually dead? Utterly bereft of grace? Go back to Geneva.

>>10862 Read the Bible.

>>10862 >Go back to Geneva. I wish I could, I want to leave this godless clownworld

>>10870 In what way? Which translation? Which edition? Whose notes? Whose edits? >>10871 What on Earth are you doing here to call Creation Godless? Whine about the folly of Man, not his Maker.

>>10879 Whaaaat?

>>10823 We are good by nature, privation of good is evil. And, we do it out of fears and fantasies that develop in our head. If we could see everything for what it was without any delusion caused by demonic forces and our lack of faith, we would not sin.

>>10898 >No -> "Yes it is" 😂👌

>>10860 You read the bible.

>>10823 We were created inherently good, but we fell from grace. Nothing can be "inherently evil", evil is void, evil is nothing, evil is the lack of good (privatio boni). We were created good but we have fallen from this goodness, we are cut off from our goodness. As a result, we have the ability to do good and evil. Our hearts are inclined towards evil (read: away from good) by our fallen nature, but this is not inherent to us. TLDR: >>10854

My understanding is the bible it says that what God created was Good, but then man choose evil and sin.

>>10823 What does Romans 3:23 make you think? >“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” >>10898 >sola scriptura.png >not one verse from the Bible Every time. p.s. Using latin to describe and label everything doesn't make you godly. It makes you a pompous ass like the Pharisees.

>>10823 Inherently evil

>>10826 Like you werent as prone to taking the apple??? That's count number 1 after some 7 days. Which makes it 14% chance of sinning.

>>15747 i do not fucking care

>>15748 Not that you care of anything else

>>15749 damn right. fuck this board, i put in all the time i did just to get screwed over by the coward BO. Let raiders shit up the board idfc.

>>15750 huh huh?

>>10826 so i have to read the wikia myself on wrath of sin? Maybe there s no good reason to know those either. Also i guess when god gets angry he can gamble everyone off to satan to job... and thinks everyone is aa blessed as job. But i guess he knows too if you ll turn. And win anyway. It never needed to care, nor is it capable to care. Guess the gods are doomed by itself too.

>>10826 Guess the magical world isnt very magical either Otherwise satan would just be resetted... or maybe the gods like their rituals... and will sacrifice anything for it for "their own spiritual benefits"

Since a tigwr isnt a lion, guess god dont make all equal... so when flood comes, one will die, the other swims. But to not hate is an easy thing, they say, True. Then god should have won against iyself... or magic dont exist...and he hath created rocks heavier than itself... satan. Or maybe hw nevwr could make rocks that is heavier...and thats why it is sloppy af.

>>10898 That argument is perfectly valid, but it isn't enough to counter the reality of a church where popes canonize each other as saints, you have to start doubting authorities somewhere and can't go full-on papist without losing your mind.

>>10823 The fall of man entails hard labor, warfare, disease and pains of childbirth. Many necessities that come with life as we know it today only came after the fall. There is no such thing as a good or bad man, man is inherently ambiguous, even before the fall, and he is given the choice to pursue good or bad. With life comes struggle for survival and personal fulfillment, much evil enters the soul and the soul lives in pain, fighting to pursue good or rotting away in degeneracy. With death comes judgement and with judgement justice upon the sinners. The repentant children of Christ are greeted with mercy and with love into paradise.

>>10826 some people who think they are doing wrong things thinking those things are good can go too far they become more evil without knowing it.

>>10823 >>10823 >Does God's good creation exist within us or does original sin override that? We were put here to answer that question for ourselves. That's free will. God's law is God's law. >>10871 Be careful what you wish for. >>10877 There are two Bibles given to us by the Holy Mother Church around the year 300. These were assembled from text under the divine inspiration and Guidance of God the Holy Ghost. One Bible is in Latin, and the other is in Greek. If you don't read Latin or Greek, get a good translation.

>>18658 >300 Lmao