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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

QTDDTOT Anonymous 03/28/2022 (Mon) 15:32:23 No.6836
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>>23281 If you have to call yourself a prophet you probably aren't one, because if you were accurately prophesying events by the Holy Spirit it would be self-evident.
https://www.thechurchofwells.com/ is this church entirely heretic? they seem to be a cult but i dont found too many errors in their doctrines and they have callout another big pastors out
>>23299 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:15-16 "I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and blameless as doves." Matthew 10:16
>>23303 im honestly getting scare of my salvation for this case, every christian denom points to others and calls them heretics and every single one seems to have the absolute reason when looking at their arguments, and seeing it from their perspective the other christians start to look like crazy people. how can i made up my mind in this cases?
>>23304 >how can i made up my mind in this cases? By being born-again. If you're an authentic Christian, you're not going to be swayed ultimately from that faith in the end by anything that men or devils can do. Your faith will be tested, sure, but since Jesus Christ Himself is the author and finisher of that for you, you won't be moved off of it. Simple as. >tl;dr Stop chasing after doctrines and accept Jesus Christ & Him crucified.
>>23304 Follow what you believe in your heart to be true. God will listen, you'll be fine. (But it's the Catholic Church tbh.)
http://ecclesia.org/truth/comparisons.html Why did the Masoretic text become the standard over the Septuagint?
>>23314 Same reason why the Catholics have more books in the old testament than the protestants, I guess. Martin Luther thought he could convert the Jews, even after the rejected Jesus Christ. So, he edited the Bible to only include books in the Jewish Cannon. I'd suspect that the Jewish Cannot at the time was this "Masoretic text". History teaches us that Martin Luther was quite hateful of the Jews when Luther failed to convert the Jews.
>>23312 Give them this scripture if they want to find the one true faith: Matt 16: 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. Then ask how each religion reads that. Catholics: The Lord is talking to Simon Bar-Jona, And when the Lord says "I say to thee" he's talking to Simon Bar-Jona, gives him the new name "Peter" as in Rock and made him the cornerstone of His Church on Earth and gave him the Keys to Heaven. This making Saint Peter the first head of the church and we call the head of the Church the Pope. Protestants will have to deny the word of God, and will say all kinds of things ranging from an obvious denial that the Lord was talking to Simon Bar-Jona to the almost blasphemous claim the Lord was speaking randomly about rocks. They have to deny this part of the Bible, they have to deny the Lord or they will be cast out of their social clubs were they make business deals. Key to remember is that they aren't going to say their real motivations. The believe what they want to believe, some will even become angry when you show them what the Bible really says, and what they'll have to give up to believe in Christ. It's their choice to believe or not.
>>23319 But the Masoretic Text was already in use in the Latin Vulgate for centuries before the Reformation.
What's the meaning of The Book Of Revelations?
>>23329 I'm sorry, I thought your graphic on the webpage said "Translated from Masoretic Hebrew texts 1000 A.D." for the King James Version and "Translated from Original Hebrew texts 285 B.C." for the Septuagint. So I was confused since the Latin Vulgate was 4th century. I guess your website means translated into English? Or into Greek? from Hebrew. I have no idea and I don't really care, since the Holy Ghost guided the creation of the Latin Vulgate. There was a papal encyclicals that made the Latin Vulgate THE divinely inspired Bible, and I don't question the faith.
>>23330 Beats heck out of me. I was hoping for someone to point out which of the 5 or 6 religions called "Catholic" was the true Church of Christ, so I could ask that question; but more importantly, receive valid sacrements.
>>23304 Jesus didn't call people to salvation via denominations: "Now John answered Him, saying, 'Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.'" Mark 9:38-41 Denominations exist because of worldly diversions. There is only one gospel and one Lord, God, and Saviour.
>>23334 >Mark 9:38-41 If you can cast out demons in the name of Jesus Christ, then you believe every word of Christ and don't think he's rambling about rocks or saying you don't need his church you only need his Bible (which didn't exist at the time). You're also doing the works that the Lord asked you to do and not saying "Master Master" and then not bearing good fruit...
>>23320 >Catholics: The Lord is talking to Simon Bar-Jona, And when the Lord says "I say to thee" he's talking to Simon Bar-Jona, gives him the new name "Peter" as in Rock and made him the cornerstone of His Church on Earth and gave him the Keys to Heaven. This making Saint Peter the first head of the church and we call the head of the Church the Pope. i believe that, but what i cannot understand is how this versicle becomes the catholic faith? why didnt they just take him as the first and only pope?
>>23344 >why didnt they just take him as the first and only pope? Because near the same scripture Jesus Christ promises that the church built on Peter will prevail against the gates of hell. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. So the Lord Jesus Christ promises that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. So, the Church will last. It didn't end with the death of Saint Peter when Saint Peter was martyred. Saint Peter passed on the leadership of the Church to Saint Linus. Now, what gave Saint Peter the authority to do that? Go to the next verse... 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. The giving Saint Peter the Keys make him the head of the church in that Peter's judgement on faith and morals becomes Infallible and Indefectible. Whatever Peter says on faith and morals will be bound on Earth and in Heaven. So if Saint Peter says, as a mater of faith, that Saint Linus inherits his chair, then it is so because the Lord Jesus Christ gave him that Authority. The Church says, by the authority of the Popes, that no one can name a Pope who isn't Catholic and isn't ordained in the Church.
>>23336 >the Bible didn't exist >what was the Old Testament Blasphemy such as this hath never been seen since the creation of this board hereunto.
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Is liberalism and libertarianism satanic?
>>23351 The Bible, according to the early Church, was the cannon of 46 books that the Holy Ghost inspired and guided the Church faithers at the Council of Nicaea. This collection is infallible. if you say that there was a bible before the Bible, you are an anathema, so please don't say that.
>>23355 To quote John Adams. "Our government was made for a moral and religious people and is wholly unfit for any other." Liberty cannot exist without morality, otherwise you are a slave to sin and not free. Also liberty is a biblical principle since God Himself bestows upon us free will, but He also gives us a moral code.
>>23345 ooooh now i get it, it always confuse me how protestants change this, but what about the orthodox? i think they also use this text (honest question)
>>23361 The word Bible literally just means Book. The scriptures existed since the law was handed to Moses you illiterate Papist.
>>23371 >The word Bible literally just means Book. Semantic fallacy. We all know that The Bible is the Word of Christ and divinely inspired and infallible, and not any old book. Scriptures were not the Bible. There was the Torah, that the jews abandoned and replaced with the Talmud, but Christians rejected the Talmud as the work of man... sort of like Aquinas and Luther, and not of Christ the Lord.
>>23370 >but what about the orthodox? i think they also use this text I'm not orthodox or know the Eastern Church that well. All I know is that there was a split that was officially over something trivial, unofficially was about power, and that in the process they rejected Matt 16 etc. I don't see how the Church of Christ would reject one word of Christ, so I don't worry about them too much. There's dozens of them now with different beliefs.
>>22726 ^This was me. I ended up finding his website with sermons on it and watched about 10 of them: https://pastorandersonsermons.allthepreaching.com/dev/index.php I take back what I said about him not having love for the lost. He gets the gospel correct, and he and his church go out preaching the gospel door-to-door every week. If a tree is known by its fruits, I'm ashamed to say that's more love for the lost than I have.
>>23379 >He gets the gospel correct, How do you know he gets the Gospel correct? There are now thousands of different interpretations of the Gospels.
>>23377 >Scriptures were not the Bible. There was the Torah The Torah was God's word to the Jews. The Old Testament is called the Hebrew Bible. >that the jews abandoned and replaced with the Talmud, The original Jews were destroyed by Hadrian. Modern Jews are Khazar frauds.
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Christian Denominations Family Tree | Episode 1: Origins & Early Schisms UsefulCharts https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uzuYZi749CM I found a very interesting; and I think, useful video series, made by UsefulCharts, on (once completed) will be on every major Christian denomination. I've watched several of his videos before, and he always seems to try to be as objective as possible; even if I don't necessarily believe in his non-literal (and "scientific") interpretation of Christianity. Please note, he's Jewish. And that also affects the viewpoints that show through. What I'm trying to say; is that I think his videos are easy to follow and useful resources to quickly grasp the basics of complex issues. Most of his videos are about monarch family trees.
Is it okay for a Christian to use Islamic banking? Is it even wise?
is going to two churches at the same time considered adultery? i go to a pentecostal (i love my brothers there, they converted me) and to a Baptist they have more people, individual teachings and more biblical based songs, but i cant stop feeling like im cheating on them (specially when i tried to avoid telling im doing it)
>>23444 IIRC they use loopholes to get around their no interest rules. I think they also only apply to fellow Muslims so there would be no strict benefit in using one as a non-Muslim. We need Christian banks tbh, or maybe credit unions since they would be non-profit.
When is a person "dead" theologically speaking? I remember reading an article a year or two back about a priest who found a man dead on the roadside after a car wreck and he still administered the sacrament of Extreme Unction. In medicine too you can have a person be legally dead yet still resuscitated somehow, and I imagine advances medical technology will manage to widen the window at least slightly where they can make your heart beat again after it's stopped. Do we just say, for lack of a better model, that you're dead from the point of view of the Church as soon as you're beyond resuscitation even in the most fantastical medical scenario?
>Moved recently, going to new church >Finally see how people in the local church I go do confession >Guided to a huge room that doesn't seem like its made for that at all >Two people came in and delayed confession before it started >Someone could very well overhear something midway I don't want to do confession there anymore, honestly. What is the correct path here? Going to a farther away church isn't optimal, and Perfect Contrition... Is there, but confession is optimal.
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Serious talk here, would the Antichrist be this obvious?
>>23574 >Mrbeast is the antichrist he's preforming miracles1!1!1! >This SECOND beast preformed great miracles
>>23496 >When is a person "dead" theologically speaking? When the spirit returns to God who gave it. >I imagine advances medical technology will manage to widen the window It remains to be seen. If someone is resuscitated into a coma requiring life support then it's arguable that's just the flesh being artificially sustained. We may yet live to see man made horrors beyond our comprehension and 'zombies' like this could be one of them. >>23571 >confession in public Sounds like the self-criticism sessions of a communist party meeting. I'd be wary of confessing within earshot of the congregation. On the other hand they may be expecting you to do it if that is their custom and part of joining a church is learning to fit in so as to avoid needless contention. If so, keep your first confessions to the most generic descriptions possible like 'I have failed to trust God in all things'. I'm not familiar with confessional church tradition but spiritually I believe you should confess your sins in prayer to our Father in Heaven. Everything else, while it may be beneficial, is secondary. >>23574 I doubt he'll have a youtube channel. I doubt there will even be a youtube after the tribulation from which (by my interpretation) the anitchrist is revealed.
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Does anyone have any good Christian perspectives on neuroscience?
>>23594 Attempting to know everything one can about a gift one has been given, without abusing it, indicates an appreciation for that gift.
>>23583 I ( >>23571 ) should've mentioned I'm Catholic. Thank you for your answer regardless.
>>23594 >Does anyone have any good Christian perspectives on neuroscience? I'll presume the actual heart of your question is the artifacts of neuroscience research Anon? The answer to your question is Reasons to Believe. They cover this topic in some depth along with dozens of others that are pertinent to Anons in a post-Christian world. Here's a sample about Neuralink: https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/the-cells-design/will-elon-musk-s-neuralink-make-it-possible-to-control-electronic-devices-with-our-minds Here's another about our exceptional nature as homo sapiens sapiens -- ie Made in God's Image -- that is quite different from any other earthly creature. https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/the-cells-design/does-transhumanism-refute-human-exceptionalism-a-response-to-peter-clarke
how do i convert (or whatever the proper word is) to christianity, i know i sound like a troll but i was raised athiest and want to change that and i don't know what i should do - just start showing up to the local church or what? i'm sorry i genuinely have no idea lol
>>23634 You should find a bible-believing church (you'll be able to identify them by whether they affirm biblical inerrancy, obviously stay away from anything that calls itself "LGBT affirming" or something like that) and talk to the pastor, let him know you want to join the church and then just tell him your story, he should know what to do depending on the specifics. God bless, welcome to the kingdom brother
>>23634 >just start showing up to the local church or what? Pretty much. The path is you spend some time talking to Christians, learning about Christianity, etc until you're sure you really want to do this. There's no set amount of time. Just when you and your pastor think you're ready. After that you get baptised and officially join the Church. From then on it's the start of the Christian life. You don't have to do a lot at this stage. Just turn up and make sure you talk to the pastor or priest or whoever. Very likely he'll say hello to you first. You don't need to feel pressure to actually participate in the service. Sit at the back if you want.
>>23634 Talking to other Christians is a good way to start, do you have telegram or something? I wouldn't mind chatting. If not then just stick around here and as questions as they come.
>>23634 Begin by just asking God to forgive you and to reveal His will to you. Then read the Book of John in the new testament. Then ask Jesus into your heart to take over control of your life. Simple as. Then get connected to a Christian church that teaches the Bible unapologetically as the divinely-inspired revelation from God. Never stop praying, and God Himself will begin to direct your paths. >>23637 >>23640 >>23641 I know every one of you Anons have good intentions, but it's not opening the door of a church that gets you saved, it's opening the door of your heart to Jesus Christ that gets you saved. Prayer & Bible study crucial to this process, yet none of you mentioned this. Why?
>>23643 >none of you mentioned this. Why? Because 1) It's implicit in my advice to go to a church and talk to the pastor. I presume he will be in a much better position to answer question and give more specific advice on how to pray and read the Bible than a random person on the internet (me) can. I can't know what specific challenges anon is facing nor can I do much for him except point him to where he can get help and to pray for him. 2) I did mention it as baptism. Baptism is the turning away from the old man to follow Christ (it's literally in your baptismal vows). The Bible says baptism saves you as an appeal to Christ. 1 Peter 3:12. 3) Anon is just beginning to look into the faith. He needs advice on how to get the ball rolling and the way to get it rolling is to talk to other Christians in person. How do you expect him to understand what the Bible means? The last thing you should be doing is trying to do Christianity by yourself or turning it into an intellectual exercise. You MUST go to a church. Now having said that, I understand what you're trying to say which is that it's the inner spiritual transformation that's important not the physical act of walking through a church door or being submerged in water. But you can't summon up that transformation out of nowhere by yourself. God has given us the Church (community of Christians) so that, within it, we may be transformed by God. Just like God gave us prayer and scriptures for their purposes.
>>23643 It's hard to open your heart to Christ if you don't have the insight needed to understand the Bible. The best way to obtain this from my experience is through discourse.
>>23643 >yet none of you mentioned this. Why? I took for granted that someone repudiating atheism and asking for advice in joining the faith had already believed the gospel
>>23645 >>23647 >>23654 Thanks for taking the time to respond Anons. Let us all join together in prayer both for Anon's salvation, and for God's fully-established will in his life! Cheers.

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