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Anti-Islam Thread Anonymous 02/19/2022 (Sat) 22:29:32 No.4322
ITT we post information against the heresy of the Muhammadans, and how to debunk their apologetic, their theology, and their false prophet and scriptures. St. John of Damascus’s Critique of Islam http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx Islam. Orthodox View https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/ Orthodox Shahada https://www.youtube.com/c/OrthodoxShahada/videos Short critique of Islam by a Bishop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orz-n5ir9mg
>>10371 Takes one to know one, mudslime?
>>10381 >breaks the Muslim law on depicting Muhammad Get out of here LARPer.
>>10381 >>10382 >>10383 >>10384 >>10385 Is th mudslime arguing against himself?
>>10381 Celsus says in his source that he heard this from the Jews, retard
>>10387 Yeah, hes purposely trying to make his side look bad, you D&C false witness.
>>10389 Ignore mudslime d/c
>>10389 true
>>10389 this
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>>10396 We've survived worse than one faggot calling everyone a muslim and a muslim. Even if this board is erased we will just talk about God on /pol/.
>>10399 Of course there is a small minority of pagans, atheists and esoteric fags who hate us. so what. It's nothing compared to the hate that Muslims get on conservative channels.
>>10399 D&C kike
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>>10397 >>10400 >>10405 We will win. Every church in the West will be turned into a Satanic temple. Your daughters put into burqas and married off off as the second and third wives of sheikhs. Every Bible will be burned.
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>>10408 What about the churches that aren't in the west, are you going to leave those for us as a gift, lol. Good luck trying to burn the most popular most well known book of all time, that would be like trying to stop rain with your hand. There was a Freemason who said to an ex-Freemason who became a Christian, "we won't stop till every church is a brothel". It is a testament that Christianity has survived despite having so many enemies, and it will continue to do so regardless if you.
>>10408 Dont spam/demoralize-shill
>>10408 >original post deleted of course
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>>10328 >The Quran argues for itself Lets see what it argues. >He has revealed to you the Book with truth. Verifying that which is before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime a guidance for the people. And He sent the Quran. (Sura 3:3-4) So not just the Gospel but the Torah were revealed by Allah himself as a guidance for the people, but you claim that Allah couldn't protect the Gospel from corruption, so what He intended to guide instead misguided. This is a strange mindset to have considering the following. >And Recite what has been revealed to you of the book of your Lord. There is none who can change His words, and you shall not find any refuge besides Him. (Sura 18:27) No one can change Allah's words as clearly stated in His Eternal Word, which also states that the Gospel is His word. So if any Quran verse states the Gospel was corrupted that would be a direct theological contradiction in Islam, But the actual position of the Quran is that Christians misinterpret the Gospel because Muhammad was literate and only had a vague idea of the Gospel which he got from folklore , which is where you get stuff like Jesus preaching as a baby which comes from the Arabic infancy gospel(a forgery writing centuries after the time of Christ), and Mary being the sister of Aaron because she has the same Arabic name as the sister of Aaron & Moses Furthermore, sura 7:157 states that Christians had the Gospel at the time of Muhammad. >Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own [scriptures]-in the Torah and the Gospel-...It is they who will prosper. (7:157) Putting aside that the Torah and Gospel never mentioned Muhammad in the first place , this would make no sense if the scriptures Christians had access to had already been corrupted. On that note... >Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. (sura 5:47) >Say: "Oh people of the Books! You have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." (Sura 5:68) Allah specifically tells Christians to judge by the Gospel, and once again this would be absurd if they were corrupted. We have copies of the Gospel from before the time of Muhammad let alone his time and they contradict it on fundamental theological issues. So judging by the Gospel as Allah commands us to, we can only conclude Islam is false. Why would Allah tell us we have no ground to stand upon unless we stand on a corrupt book? But wait, there's more. The Gospel is also authoritative for Muhammad himself. >But if you (O Muhammad) are in doubt as to what we have revealed to you, ask those who read the book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers. (10:94) So Muhammad himself can only confirm the his revelations by checking if they line-up with the Gospel of course he didn't actually check since he couldn't read. And if you claim the Gospel has been corrupted, then you deny Allah's claim that no one can change His words. So in summary, if the Gospel is the inspired and preserved word of God then Islam is false because it contradicts Islam, but if the Gospel isn't the inspired and preserved word of God then Islam is still false because it affirms the inspiration and preservation of the Gospel. Either way, Islam is false. In fact, if the Torah contradicts the Gospel or Quran then Islam is false. If any three of these books contradicts even a single other of the three than Islam is false. However, even without all that, even if Muhammad could read the Bible and adjusted the above verses so they didn't automatically debunk Islam, I still wouldn't believe his heretical fanfiction written hundreds of years after the Gospel. I still wouldn't believe a religion that encourages it's followers to act like rabid pillaging animals, allows sex with children, rape, and it's followers to lie when it suits them among other things. I still wouldn't believe a book that says one fly wing has a disease and the other the cure I still wouldn't believe a religion which calls God the best of deceivers and says He deliberate disguised someone else to look like Jesus so people thought He died, when that would inevitably lead to the belief He rose from the dead when people spotted him after that, which in turn would inevitably lead to the "corruption" of His supposed original teachings. I still wouldn't believe a prophet who initially thought he was demon possessed, and used to have pagan goddesses in his religion before having a revelation that the previous revelation mentioning them was demonically inspired. I still wouldn't believe a prophet who plagiarized several different pagan and heretical Arabian folktales and practices. I still wouldn't believe a prophet who conveniently has a new revelation whenever he wants to do something like take his adopted son's wives or have more wives than Islam allows for anyone else. I still wouldn't believe a religion who's pattern of moral conduct for mankind was a murderous, depraved narcissistic warlord who had sex with a nine year old girl and got little boys to suck on his tongue. And I still wouldn't believe a prophet who died feeling like his aorta had been severed when his own book said that Allah would sever his aorta if he was a false prophet.
>>10426 >I still wouldn't believe a religion that allows sex with children You do believe a religion that allows that. The religion allows it even if you do not
>>10429 Israeli age of marriage was between 16 and 18 for girls.
>>10430 Unlikely. But also irrelevant because scripture itself (which alone is divine) does not contain an age of marriage
>>10431 Jewish law was and still is that no younger that 16 years of age can be married. if anybody would know itd be them
>>10432 So it's pharisaical nonsense? Couldn't care less
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>>10426 >So in summary, if the Gospel is the inspired and preserved word of God then Islam is false because it contradicts Islam, but if the Gospel isn't the inspired and preserved word of God then Islam is still false because it affirms the inspiration and preservation of the Gospel. Either way, Islam is false. In fact, if the Torah contradicts the Gospel or Quran then Islam is false. If any three of these books contradicts even a single other of the three than Islam is false. Allah is all-divine, all-powerful, and not in account to anyone or anything. He cannot be circumscribed in principle even by His revealed word, and especially not by a non-believer's exposition of His word. Therefore the Quran as the last revelation is the definitive religion of Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaaq, Yaqub, Musa, and Isa alongside Muhammad. It abrogates all, if there be any actual, points of contradiction in what was communicated by prior prophets.
>>10449 >tl;dr Allah was mistaken You don't think very highly of Him.
>>10431 >>10433 Based and cunnypilled
>>10433 >No arguments As expected
>>10636 >implying Allah revealed it in the order that He did that the full truth may be understood, to show causes and effects. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. Defy His will at your own expense: a truly painful torment awaits at the end of your days.
>>11000 >Implying Just stating the evident truth. Creating a logically incoherent, self-contradictory mess is a strange way of making the "full truth" understandable. Speaking of which, if I can't trust Allah when He says no one can change his eternal words, then how can I trust that the Quran hasn't been corrupted? How can I trust any of the numerous versions of Islamic scriptures? The doctrine of abrogation was quite clearly Muhammad's excuse whenever people called him out for making up new revelations on the fly that contradicted old ones, but even putting that aside, claiming no one can change your words only for your words to be changed, doesn't lead to any understanding besides Allah's word being unreliable. Your claim ultimately makes out Allah either lied or was unable to back up His claim, either way it's far from respectful. I guess you have no choice but to resort to that claim despite it's implications, went one revelation from Allah contradicts the others. You know, instead of the word of God being unreliable, maybe the book which calls God the "greatest of deceivers" is unreliable?
>>11014 Save your energy dude, he's already said he won't provide any arguments, and he's just repeating himself with all the "allah is this and that". This is the kind of guy who thinks "having the last say" means he wins, you're just going to go in circles.
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>>11014 >deliberately uses infidel translations that substitute "deceiver" for "planner" You have no comprehension of Allah.
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>>11021 Yeah, that's a deliberate mistranslated. The word is makr translates to deceit, guile, doing one afoul, abominable and evil actions. The word is always used in the context of deceiving someone and scheming to mislead or harm. I notice you've only been picking one subset of the post and attempting to criticize that, you did it before with the child marriage. And you resort to deception or you've been deceived by your teacher, typical.
>>11051 Allah is Allah and will not be held to your pathetic disbelieving judgements. Your impious slanders are so weak that only by twisting the message of the Holy Quran can you find an ounce of substance for it. The only deceiver is you, who cannot help but spew blasphemies accusing others and almighty Allah Himself of deception. There is no point in debate with a lying, manipulative, hard-hearted sinner. You will be held accountable for your incredulity and your mockery in the judgement. The Quran prophesizes of men like you, as it always speaks the truth: >Say, ‘To whom belongs all that is in the heavens and earth?’ Say, ‘To Allah. He has taken it upon Himself to be merciful. He will certainly gather you on the Day of Resurrection, which is beyond all doubt. Those who deceive themselves will not believe. All that rests by night or by day belongs to Him. He is the All Hearing, the All Knowing.’ Say, ‘Shall I take for myself a protector other than Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, who feeds but is not fed?’ Say, ‘I am commanded to be the first among you to devote myself to Him.’ Do not be one of the idolaters. Say, ‘I fear the punishment of a dreadful Day if I disobey my Lord. Allah will have been truly merciful to whoever is spared on that Day: that is the clearest triumph.’ >Who does greater wrong than someone who fabricates a lie against Allah or denies His revelation? Those who do such wrong will not prosper. When We gather them all together and say to the polytheists, ‘Where are those you claimed were partners with Allah?’ in their utter dismay they will only say, ‘By Allah, our Lord, we have not set up partners beside Him!’ See how they lie against themselves and how those they invented have deserted them. >If you could only see, when they are made to stand before the Fire, how they will say, ‘If only we could be sent back, we would not reject the revelations of our Lord, but be among the believers.’ No! The truth they used to hide will become all too clear to them. Even if they were brought back, they would only return to the very thing that was forbidden to them – they are such liars! They say, ‘There is nothing beyond our life in this world: we shall not be raised from the dead.’ If you could only see, when they are made to stand before their Lord, how He will say, ‘Is this not real?’ They will say, ‘Yes indeed, by our Lord.’ He will say, ‘Then taste the torment for having disbelieved.’ Lost indeed are those who deny the meeting with their Lord until, when the Hour suddenly arrives, they say, ‘Alas for us that we disregarded this!’ They will bear their burdens on their backs. How terrible those burdens will be! The life of this world is nothing but a game and a distraction; the Home in the Hereafter is best for those who are aware of Allah. Why will you not understand? The Holy Quran Sura 6:12-16, 21-24, 27-32
>>11068 So weak that you have no argument.
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>>11069 So weak that you disbelieve.
>>11071 Yes, your attempts at apologetic for your religion are so weak that I disbelieve.
>>11077 You disbelieve because Allah has willed you to disbelieve, to play a fool who will be condemned to burn in the fire forever.
>>11079 >God wills me to burn in hell What a satanic religion.
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>>11079 Ah, so that's why he tricked everyone into believing Jesus was crucified and resurrected.
>>11224 Well yeah. It calls God the best of deceivers and the context is Him disguising someone else as Jesus so they can get crucified in his place, so even putting aside the meaning of the original word and how it's used throughout the quran the context still clearly points towards deceit.
>>11230 Not even Calvin endorsed double predestination if I am recalling correctly. And that's saying something.
>>11234 You are recalling incorrectly. The bible endorses it in any case
>>11235 God desires for all to be saved. It’s right in the Bible. Stop preaching a false Gospel
>>11236 God made one vessel for mercy and one for destruction. And double predestination is not part of the gospel

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