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/PAT/ General | Porn-aholics Anonymous Thread Anonymous 12/12/2022 (Mon) 01:05:11 ID: c6a27b No.22229
Hello Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Like many of you I myself am struggling with pornography addiction and have been trying to beat this illness for the better part of 3 years now. I'm dedicating this thread to all my other brothers in arms out there who are fighting the good fight against the wiles of the devil, Lucifer, and his legion of degeneracy he throws our way. I'll be using this thread as both a catalogue of my own experiences, so that they may be used by others for their own benefit, and as a place to store, discuss, and share data, tips, and motivation so as to help us addicts overcome our desire so that we may enjoy life as God intended with clarity of mind and spirit.
I prayed that God would talk to me, and while i was masturbating to porn i had a thought that might not have been my own say to me "what if the woman in the porn was in your family?".
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>>22229 I've also been struggling with pornography addiction but wanted to share something that helps me. So much of the nofap/porn addiction community feels intense shame and guilt for porn use and work to kill every sexual urge and desire they have. While it's important to recognize the negatives of porn, you're fighting against yourself. Having a sex drive is not a shameful thing, but how we use it can be positive or negative. > Start with a few affirmations. Tell yourself not to be ashamed of what God gave you. You want to change how you express sexual desires, not kill all urges. > Allow urges to move through you. You don't need to act upon every desire you have. Experience those emotions, allow yourself to exist. > Visualize what you want in a relationship. Sex is such a small portion of dating and marriage. What else will you be doing? Do you want to travel and explore your country with someone, or maybe find the individual who shares in your passion for [X]? Take time to explore what you want. > Invest in your appearance. The basics are great, but when you're fine-tuning your beard or applying products to fix up areas you're self-conscious about, it makes you feel a lot more attractive and comfortable. > Gain platonic acquaintances. This isn't just talking to women. Talk to men, the elderly, children. Anyone and everyone. I'm learning that just talking with people means a world of difference. Most people will share everything if you just show even a shred of interest. It shows their humanity, and even sharing a nice moment with a stranger is more engaging than a picture ever will be. I believe that we can break through this. Remember to keep a daily prayer time, study the men of the Bible and consider reaching out to an SAA group or your pastor. I'll be praying for you.
>>25260 thanks for the advice, i think this is a good way of looking at it.
Is it possible to lust after online images of women and not have it psychologically or spiritually transfer to when you see women in real life?
>>25266 A photograph only showcases the physical attributes. It leaves out a lot of qualities that make someone human. With that and the liberal use of photoshop showcasing unattainable standards, I would not recommend lusting after images.
Porn is my life, all my media is porn, porn is the only thing i enjoy, and it's destroying how i look at women, i've already pissed off two women in a major way. I've been in a 12 step faith based program for a few months now to quit but i keep relapsing. I joined a zoom call with other sex addicts and it just doesn't help me to talk about these things since i keep doing them. God has been merciful to me so far, so i've yet to mess up bad enough, but i fear God will lose patients or give me up to reprobate mind.
>>25276 God will not abandon those who fight. Fight on, AD VICTORIAM.
>>25276 >God will lose patients if He did we'd all already be dead
>>25276 You need to ask Jesus to feel the aversion as soon as you lean into PMO. In fact, the aversion would make you destroy the logical and physical objects that fill your life with P. Destroy it in a state of prayer, so that you don't feel emptied and broken.
I got rid of my computer and phone. And I think many people need to as well. God trusted me many times to prove I could handle them and I could not. And maybe one day God will grant them back. I remember someone at church, an older guy telling me that "well you need your phone for your job." Look, you cannot get help from people who didn't grow up on the internet and don't understand. Imagine someone trying to quit cigarettes having an unlimited supply of them with them at all times, whatever smoke they want. Or an alcoholic having a cellar just at home that costs nothing it never runs out whatever you want. I'm sorry that we were raised in internet porn but, if you have been destroyed by it and God has not granted you total freedom as some times he will in an instant to people. You have to give up everything. I was reading Luke 14 the last half of that chapter really I realised I have to give up everything. Sexual lust is the one thing the Lord says please just run away. You wanna fight it you'll get whipped. That's just me. I'm just sharing you know. I don't know any other person's situation you have to do what God wants. but I'm just sharing. Posting this from the library computer. And I do stress I'm the biggest internet addict and former weeb and all these things and I'm not special and I don't know I just encourage others maybe to just let go of computer first and then phone, if something causes you to sin, it's just not worth hell.
>>25309 >an alcoholic having a cellar just at home that costs nothing it never runs out That is a great analogy. Then the devil whispers 'just one drink won't hurt'. The only way to break an addiction is to remove the object of temptation. >You have to give up everything. That's the scary part and where a lot of us fail. The things we need to give up are often our ways of coping with living in this evil world. It's very hard to let go of the life preserver in an ocean of sin and trust Jesus enough to swim towards Him. St. Peter couldn't do it. >former weeb What made you repent? Asking as a weeb.
>>25318 I'm just not obsessed with anime anymore or really even interested in it. Because of Jesus. John Bunyan in his story points out the annoying fact that as you get older a lot of things fade away naturally like your sexual drive is almost guaranteed to go down anyways and no christian wants that kind of "win" because it doesn't feel like a real victory to be less tempted just because your body is decaying. Likewise many people grow out of anime obsession anyways, but I was certainly not on that path naturally if it wasn't for God. It just fell away. Don't watch it anymore. For one I know that anime is soft-core porn and if I watch it eventually it will lead to porn anyways. I had to get rid of my porn to begin with, which was my life like many people, anime and porn and anime porn I had external harddrives full of "rare" erotic things that you couldn't find online anymore and I had such an amazing collection, that is hard to get rid of but I did, though I tried to sort of keep a bit of anime in my life for a while but it all just goes away because I'm not interested in it as much as staying away from sin and anime causes sin including in the reality that you waste time with it. Same thing with secular music, I got rid of all the stuff that had swearing but eventually I lost all interest compared to christian music and I don't listen to any of my secular music anymore the folder will probably be gone soon from my USB. If there's anything that is not going to stay, skip ahead and cut it all off. You're going to end up leaving anime behind anyways so if it is a problem for anyone just consider that it's got to go eventually anyways. People look up devices like the TIMMKOO which plays mp3 and mp4 and has the model option for no wifi, or sony walkmans or ebook tablets and such. I haven't gotten any such thing but I'm thinking of getting one. If you don't want to not have any device it's good to at least have one that has no internet. Then you can go to the library and transfer things to the device and it's at least a bit safer, and I would say cut the internet off completely if you live on your own. There are other things to do. It's always so hard to imagine change or not having some things but it's always easy in the end just having the library computer and other people's computers when you get a chance. I always say, Oh I need my christian videos, I really don't and even if I did I certainly don't need internet access at all times 24/7 to see those videos. I say Oh I can't give up the cellar there's people in there that could help me. I find porn addiction to be the worst thing in all history and serious movement needs to be done against it. Cutting off completely won't stop the lusting, but you can't expect an instant level 10 Resta from something you did, but we have to do something. Something with serious action and consequence as Jesus describes. Living in sin is not the same as waiting on the Lord. But I know for a fact I will win in the end, Because Jesus will save us from our sinfulness. If you don't believe Jesus WILL save you, you are an apostate. And I believe and trust in all that Jesus says including his harsh call to action against sin and turning from it. But you can't go wrong with giving things up for Christ's sake, if someone's having real trouble consider just throwing the devices away and that's just as a start. The idea you'll wait on the Lord to deliver you and take away the passion, that's good, but at the same time that doesn't excuse allowing things that cause sin to be in your life even if they may be helpful in some other ways. This is all if God calls you to do that, you have to inquire of God about that, not me of course,.
I have been too busy to be led into temptation about over the last week or so. I pray that the Lord keeps this going. Amen.
>>25370 Make it for another 3 weeks and you should be good. My highest time was 2 weeks in the past 2 years or so. Could see the light at the end and then I pooped up.
>>25370 >>25333 >>25371 Godspeed Brothers.
i lasted a week for some reason, and then relapsed.
If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. (John 8:36) In temptation, remember the words of the Christ, then remember the warning in Hebrews and your lustful thoughts are frightened.
>>25370 I am praying for you. >>25390 I pray you will overcome the flesh and embrace the spirit of continence.
>>25392 Thank you, amen.
I can't stop fapping. It's over
>>25404 You should at least try to stop, because it's a slippery slope, you'll get bored of porn and you're keel lusting after women in real life it's painfully obvious.
Jesus forgive me and my brothers, who suffer under the yoke of this sin, and give us true aversion to it. Let none here fail, that we may all bear witness to your mercy.
>>25412 Amen.
>>25405 I just failed after 4 weeks. Again. It is so hard to get beyond 1 month. I feel so powerful 1 month in but the pull is so incredibly difficult. I just want to see a naked woman, and once I see one on the internet it just is that much harder to deny. I simply need to do something with my internet access. I think I may need to install some kind of porn blocking software and then purposefully forget/lose the password so I can never see it again. We wouldn't have this problem if the modern woman was not complete and utter garbage and we weren't imprisoned in this byzantine legalistic system where every single human interaction is potentially litigious.
>>25414 What has helped me was studying the Bible more.
A little bit about myself, i was molested for a few years when i was 10-12 by an 21 year old woman, and since then i've had a sexual addiction. I use my sexual addiction as a form of defeatism or rebellion against God to not deal with the problems with women and dating as pathetic as that sounds. I have an irrational (or rational depending on your observations with women) hatred of women. i have no problem being friends with them but dating then leaves to believe that there is not other possibility than a bitter outcome, i cannot accept that a good woman would want to date me.
I'm such a hypocrite. I was looking at porn (because i'm a porn addict) and i came across nun porn and it offended and saddened me that people would sexualize a women devoted to God. However it made me realize that Jesus would be offended by any lusting of women who i am not married to. I've fapped to 2D loli, and and for some reason i have no problem with that, but nuns offend me, i realize the contradiction and it really makes me question myself.
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>>> None of the Easy-Peasy method or NoFap stuff worked for me. Mindsets, axioms, methods, or focusing on benefits never did me any good. I tried it all, and I always failed. I got to over 125 days several times and I still returned to it. <<< Proverbs 26:11 ESV 11 Like (((a dog that returns to his vomit))) is a fool who repeats his folly. >>> The short of it is this: if lust is in your heart, you will never change. No amount of streak days or promises of supposed life-changing benefits will ever be enough. I wanted sex above all else in my life. It was my idol of obsession and the false-god that I worshiped. I said to myself that I loved God above all else, but I placed Him second to my lust for sex. The masturbation, porn, and sexual fantasies are all sinful, but they were never the root of the problem. They were just the symptomatic sinful actions of living a life in lust. Remove lust from your life by choosing to put Christ first. Remove it from your thoughts, actions, and memory. You know how to seek and live for God, so do it. <<< Romans 7:13-25 ESV 13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 (((For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.))) 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. >>> Living for God is a choice. Make it. Pray constantly, read your Bible, meditate on scripture, and make the focal point of your life to be living for Christ. If you put Him first above all else, by choice, then this sin will no longer plague you. But if you live with lust still in your heart, then God will not be first in your life. We cannot be fully free from sin, and we will always struggle with the sinful nature of our flesh, but we can still put God first. Stop thinking about streaks and stop counting days altogether. Relapse is not masturbation or looking at porn, its letting lust back into your heart and life. We know what we need to do, we just don't do it. Stop being lazy, stop struggling, let go of this sin, and just live for Christ. <<< 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 ESV 16 Rejoice always, 17 (((pray without ceasing))), 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 ESV 13 The end of the matter; all has been heard. (((Fear God and keep his commandments))), for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil. James 4:7-10 ESV 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. (((Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.))) 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you. John 8:10-11 ESV 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; (((go, and from now on sin no more))).” >>> God be with you, my brothers and sisters. <<<
>>25431 I don't understand how healthy dynamics are meant to work I've an oxytocin addiction & it can't easily be kept down at all The only cure I know is either pharmacutical or to sleep around, but I feel like the dynamic I'd need for that is "I just fuck them not care about them" which I still don't think will deprive the addiction enough Worse is I've got family in a position where women make them so nervous their behavior is bizarrely evasive and excessively avoidant, like they look at the floor & take an 8 foot radius of increased stride pace to get away. I want to help them, but I don't think that LUCA/LUCITA (listen understand somehing something immediately take action) is going to help them start a conversation or put at ease their anxiety
>>25481 How will you do this and also find/retain a wife?
>>25489 Just curious, how did you find us?
>>25484 Isn't Oxytocin a drug? Why does that make you sleep around? Why are women in your family avoidant of you and how is that related to Oxytocin?
>>25492 Just browsing the web.
>>25493 It's a drug and a hormone as well kind of multi-purpose. In oxytocin addicts, you have repeating thoughts or memories in your head that act to jam the hypothalamus factory doors open until the receptors for it are smothered. It creates a Zen-like or euphoric state and alters your lens on reality to make everything seem nicer, because you're in love or something. The high is great and all but the withdrawl is worse than a death in the family. How it manifests is through the hopeless romantic trait, obsessive love, limerence, lovesickness, love addiction etcetera. Other terms include "oneitis", the blinkers, tunnel vision and so on, because it causes things like goal reorientation and because of the hyper-focus on what's called the "limerent object" or 'LO', usually someone who is slightly out of reach to be able to do anything with. The effect is supposed to go away (toward a wife/gf) if you do succeed in completing the three year relationship cycle with them (which I'd just be glad is over frankly, long as it didn't cause you to take a massive loss). Men are unattractive and undesirable with it toward women, if they realise that dynamic, and I view it as a bit of a co-morbidity disease tbh. In women it's much worse because they are the sex selectors, their body count is usually monumentally high but they never think to try to fix themselves. I haven't slept around yet. Talking and distractions help but the only cure is said to be "treatment through doing". You need to get gud at dating to break the cycle but I've no game, really. The women in my family are deceased/not around, but the way you get the disease is if they were avoidant of you as a child as it shapes you into having a seeking-style of attachment mechanism. I don't know what it'd be like to have both the disease and avoidant attachment, maybe it would help a little, but I'm taking it seriously because my whole view of life is shaped and altered by it. You can just take the drug abilify - if you trust big pharma with a multi-acting pill that changes brain chemistry.
>>25493 It's my sibling who does the avoiding, toward the women who are anything above a 2 out of 10: extreme nervousness, submissive beta vibes/looking at floor, just all around uncomfortable. I want to help but frankly they could be beyond it.
i have printed off a calendar and i am going to mark down each day that i do not indulge in porn. hopefully if i can keep this up for a few weeks looking at all the tally marks will be good motivation.
>>25500 There is a phone app called "clean day" for drug addicts that automatically counts the days you're sober.
>>25481 >Stop thinking about streaks and stop counting days altogether. Relapse is not masturbation or looking at porn, its letting lust back into your heart and life. ^This is real wisdom and understanding. Attempting to control your actions is futile if you're still an adulterer-at-heart. Even if you succeed, you'd just be a whited sepulchre... "which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:27
Letting the living seed of the Word, through the Holy Spirit, is the grace of God to live a holy & redeemed life I believe. That seed is incorruptible, and through it you have new life in Jesus Christ. God bless you richly, Anon.
I met some spiritual evangelists and twice they caste out demons from me, and now i have no motivation to do porn, i've only been clean for a day but i have zero feelings to use it. Also i was delivered from anger from this situation i got into where i was harassed from a job, now i don't feel anything about it. Since i'm quitting porn forever i cannot go to image boards anymore, but i will check up on this one from time to time since it's usually free of porn. I would say if you can look for someone who can deliver you and who has delivered people before, or pray to God to bring you to someone, because most likely your problem is spiritual.
Just deleted all the porn off my computer this morning (again). I've repeated this cycle so many times it just feels normal now. I did it so nonchalantly this time and the last, but I've practically already resigned myself to fail again. Really, I'm beginning to think it's not that big of a deal so far as it concerns myself, but rather I'm just sick of disappointing God. Who cares if it's bad for me? What matters is that I'm not choosing to do the "good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." But the real twisted part about all this is that I don't even know if I believe in God, and I've denied his existence for the past two years at least just so I could avoid having to think about it, yet despite that, I've always felt the desire to conform myself to his will, and I've never been able to shake the odd feeling I get whenever I choose not to wear my cross, like somehow if I give up that meaningless habit of wearing it all the time, that would be it, and I would be cutting any last ties I have with a God I don't believe in.
>>25543 Do you truly not believe in the existence of God, or is that just a coping mechanism to alleviate feelings of guilt over sin? I'd wager most atheists weren't convinced by evidence, rather, they wanted relief from guilt. Sadly, there is no relief for them where they've sought it. There is only self-deception and willful blindness until judgment. We're all sick of disappointing God, but use the pain to make much of Christ. We want to be sanctified and sinless; but, subconciously, is it so we can feel justified by our sinlessness? We should always keep our focus on why we're justified before God: it's because of Jesus' perfect sinless obedience, death, burial, and resurrection as an atonement for us sinners. >"[...] But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" Romans 5:20 KJV Read that whole chapter. Obviously we don't want to sin, but as a practical matter, I would rather remain a sinner if it kept whole trust in Jesus as my justification. Jesus did more than buy me a second chance. He paid my whole way. Give glory to Him. Thank Him for accomplishing what you could never do.
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I'm not justifying porn use, it's clearly bad, but how can you ever be free from seeing porn and therefor opening portals to demons to oppress you? You know there have been advertisements that appear to be mundane yet contain subliminal porn, do those bring demons as well? What used to be porn in the 70s is now advertisement in the modern era. My family bond with media unfortunately it's the only thing we can do together, and there is subliminal porn there as well. It's like trying to be free of micro plastics. My questions is, is it possible to be free of porn and still be a part of society? Also does everyone who consumes porn become porn addicts?
>>25630 >but how can you ever be free from seeing porn By not giving yourself a chance to even stumble across it. Stop looking at anything that is sexualized. If you family bonds with media then don't bond with media that has any potential sexual scenes in it. When you find it hard to do without something, that is where your passion resides. So find new family boding hobbies, pick up a board game or something. Read the Psalms together. Repentance is the turning away from sin, not the turning away from sin only on certain occasions. Think of Proverbs 26:11. Do you desire Christ or this world? >is it possible to be free of porn and still be a part of society? Yes, I was once enslaved to porn and God helped deliver me from it. >Also does everyone who consumes porn become porn addicts? I don't think everyone that watches porn is strictly addicted to it. But everyone that watches porn is not following Christ.
>>25630 Forgot to attach this link for this helpful video by Kyle. I recommend all Christians struggling with lust/porn addiction to watch this. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4ipD7FocmWk
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>>25633 >By not giving yourself a chance to even stumble across it. Stop looking at anything that is sexualized. You're not listening. It's not just with obvious sexualized media, it's in public ads and commercials, there is hidden porn is seemingly innocuous ads. Does subliminal porn still cause you to sin even if you're not aware of it? >Repentance is the turning away from sin, not the turning away from sin only on certain occasions. Think of Proverbs 26:11. Do you desire Christ or this world? I will repeat, i'm not defending porn.
>>25637 If it is subliminal then you have no awareness of it, there is no sin. There are subliminal messages everywhere, but there is also willpower. Those pictures appear more like pareidolia to me. So I suppose that a person with a highly sexualized mind from repeated exposure to porn and overly lustful material would be more prone to see these kind of things, even if not maliciously intentional. Like seeing a naked lady in the clouds for example. Only when you have a stimulus present that triggers your passion can the demons use that to entice you into sin. If it is subliminal it can't trigger your passion if your unaware. And even if it did, the demons have to entice you into sin, so the longer you couple with the thought that arises, the greater the risk you will give into sin. So the first step is to desensitize your mind to the flesh. Reduce your exposure to what is visible and then you will be unaffected what is invisible.

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