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No-Nut November Anonymous 11/01/2022 (Tue) 19:44:31 ID: 9d3af7 No.20787
Are you participating my brother in Christ? Or have you already failed?
>>23152 Who died and made you The Lord our Judge?
https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/guide/understanding-prostate-cancer-basics Frequent ejaculation Whether it’s from sex, masturbation, or wet dreams, men who ejaculate more appear to be less likely to get prostate cancer. Doctors aren’t sure why it helps, but they think it may help move potentially irritating substances out of the prostate. Religious context: Leviticus 15. Short answer - VD containment. Spilling the seed is not a mortal sin as there is no death sentence. Clean up and do penance. Frequently the Sin of Onan is brought up. (Genesis 38:8-10) God struck down Onan's brother, so Onan was told by Judah to give an heir to his brother's wife. Without an heir, his brother's wife was doomed to poverty and have no one to care for her in her old age. Onan did the deed to enjoy himself but deliberately spilled his seed so his brother's widow would not have an heir, thus leaving more for him to inherit. For that act of greed and lust and wanton disregard for his brother's widow, God struck down Onan. Both passages have to be correct, they're of the Bible. So, spilling the seed is a venial sin, while the sin of Onan is more than that and a mortal sin. Frequently priest/pastors don't agree with this and want to make it a mortal sin, and they don't explain why God struck down Onan. Consider now, that Leviticus 15 is about health issues. Which is why I raised the question... Much of the old law is recommendations about health; Cloven hoof and chews the cud? Good to eat. (Cows, goats, etc) Cloven hoof and doesn't chew the cud? Bad to eat (pigs if not cooked right can and usually did give you worms, a heck of a way to die) So... what of the health issues and religious issue here?
>>23158 I guess my message is don't stop going to Church if you can't stop. In and of itself, spilling of the seed, according to Leviticus, doesn't separate us from God like adultery does. It appears to be a venial sin, the way I was taught in Catechism a hundred years ago... (not really 100 years, but pre-Vatican II). That is, if a mortal sin is one that was grave enough to call for a death penalty in the Law of Moses. The deceptive part is that the recent church forgot to add the part about the death penalty in the law of Moses, and just says "grave sin" and never tells you what is grave and what isn't.
>>23158 >Onan did the deed to enjoy himself but deliberately spilled his seed so his brother's widow would not have an heir, thus leaving more for him to inherit. For that act of greed and lust and wanton disregard for his brother's widow, God struck down Onan. I thought Onan didn't want to go through with it because he felt it was wrong to sleep with his dead brother's wife, especially if they weren't married. Wouldn't that have been a sin as well, since he was sleeping with someone that wasn't his wife?
>>23165 >I thought Onan didn't want to go through with it because he felt it was wrong to sleep with his dead brother's wife, especially if they weren't married. Wouldn't that have been a sin as well, since he was sleeping with someone that wasn't his wife? That is the way they did things. They didn't have Social Security back then; when you got old, your children took care of you. So if your brother died childless, it was up to you to impregnate his wife. Seems strange to our values today, doesn't it? Children were considered a blessing. It was only done if the brother was childless. The father of the children would be treated like the dead brother's children. So when Judah died, her son would inherit. It comes from the Deuteronomy 25 5 If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband’s brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her. 6 The first son she bears shall carry on the name of the dead brother so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel. They were following the Law of Moses.
>>23158 >>23159 Leviticus 15 is talking about involuntary nocturnal emissions (i.e. wet dreams.) Deliberate masturbation, on the other hand, involves lust and adultery of the heart; not to mention the additional sins that using pornography entails.
I don't really understand why some insist that spilling the seed is a mortal sin and not a venial sin, but would also believe divorce, which was condemned by the Lord in the Bible, isn't a sin at all. Divorce causes all sort of pain and suffering to the put out spouse and the Children, but isn't a mortal sin? It causes harm to other people. That's upside down thinking. Divorce is serial adultery. Even if you put your wife out for adultery, you can't re-marry. You get the sacrament of marriage only once if your spouse doesn't die. Masturbation is a sin, but a venial one according to Leviticus. (so people need to stop claiming I said it isn't a sin, it's a VENIAL sin that doesn't damn you to hell). The Popes did teach that divorce and remarriage is a mortal sin.
>>23239 Catechism of the Catholic Church: >Offenses against chastity >2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes. >2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved." https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P85.HTM >2394 Christ is the model of chastity. Every baptized person is called to lead a chaste life, each according to his particular state of life. >2395 Chastity means the integration of sexuality within the person. It includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery. >2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices. https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P88.HTM
>>23241 >tfw I don't get to hug Christ like that
>>23242 Receive the gift of Salvation and you will Anon.
>>23241 Yes. That's from Wojtyła's catechism. Spilling the seed is a venial sin in the Catechism of Trent, citing Leviticus as I have been doing. Wojtyła's catechism says mortal. Both cannot be right and both cannot be Catholic. Catholic Popes are infallible (never wrong) and indefectible (never changes). If the Council of Trent is wrong, then the Church fell when it was held, then the Church today has no legitimacy. If the Council of Trent is right, then the Church today is not the Church of Jesus Christ. Considering all the blasphemy that Wojtyła committed as Pope, by equating the true Triune God in Three Persons of God the Father Almighty, Jesus Christ our Lord and only son of the Father, and the Holy Ghost to some pagan moon god that tells its followers to burns churches and murders nuns and priests, it should be clear that we should reject his false Catechism and sick with the Bible and the Council of Trent. Wojtyła's beliefs have a lot more in common with Freemasonry than Catholicism. He was big on the blasphemous belief that all religions were a path to heaven. Why would you even be Catholic then?
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>>23246 As a Catholic who was baptized two years ago it grieves me greatly. Novus Ordo Catholics are worse than most secular people or the same at the bare minimum. I cannot associate with these people and Novus Order feels like this church was founded 60 years ago, which it was. Frankly, before I became Catholic I never thought of masturbation as mortal sin. As sin, yes, but mortal sounded outlandish to me and I bet priests are tired of hearing those confessions over and over. In the Middle Ages people were not that puritanical but also not as perverse. The only thing that holds me is the rich tradition, history, rituals and saints. You find better communities in Orthodox or Baptist churches.
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>>23325 Yeah, the Novus Ordo. Most Catholics (as in better than 2/3rd) attending the Novus Ordo Mass (NOM in graphic) don't even know they're not Catholic. The Novus Ordo Priest commit the sin of sacrilege every time they give the Holy Eucharist to someone who doesn't believe the Catholic faith. No abortion, no homosexual "marriage" And I find the words "The Latin Mass" to be Cringe. There are two real masses said in Latin, the Tridentine Mass and the Dominican Mass. There could be more, but there are at least two. Many don't even go to the Tridentine mass from the unchanged Roman Missal. They go to Bugnini's changed 1964 mass. I donno. I'm going by the Bible when I say Masturbation is a venial sin. Clean up, do penance, and you're forgiven. Yeah, and I wonder about these priest that try and find out who you are when you do the Sacrament of Penance (aka confession). From the old catechism, they not supposed to do that and for good reason; it tempts the one giving confession to omit sins in confession, and it tempts the priest who hears it to take part in their sin. For example, I know for a fact that there are a lot of women out there who lust after priests. They confess it. Because they don't observe anonymity and ask for details as to how old you are, married or not, etc, they can often figure out who's tempted to such a sin.
>>23335 >For example, I know for a fact that there are a lot of women out there who lust after priests. Do women really?
>>23340 Father Isaac Mary Relyea talks how married women hit on him after he became a priest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzjiR2GyDk When you are Chad, and likely even if you are not, women are tempted to corrupt you, to conquer and eat you as the forbidden fruit. When you are a pure and chaste man a rotten woman is more than glad to destroy you, pull you down to her misery.
>>23353 Sin happens. We are all sinners
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>haven't been able to go more than a week in the last year >haven't gone more than a couple month in over a decade I've had better luck quitting cigarettes and cocaine, and I don't know what to do. I feel like an irreverent jerk when I pray, only to proceed to do the same things mere hours later.
>>23359 We all know that we shouldn't get too used to commiting sins. I don't a strong self-control so I need to give myself rules.
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Here's a good cautionary tale against coomerism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iluOmq1DYY
>>23741 try something else for once. for example, use a chalk instead of cocaine to teach you not to stop taking drugs.
>>23743 would rather buy a comic just to use it for references for most of time
>>23745 also, wasting so much money on streamers, especially vtubers, just because you want a shout out, is stupid.
>>23746 btw, i only wrote separately because this board or site only allows 112 characters for me
>>23747 no it doesn't?
Bump, it's back
>>25813 Considering how hard I failed I don't think I could ever do it again (whacking it, that is). So this should be fairly easy.
Just stop touching it! 🍆
Stay strong brothers! Show Satan flesh doesn't have the last word over you, in Jesus' name!
Day number two, gentlemen! Remember to keep your hands of your 🥒
Didn't even notice the month and I've already failed. Every month should be a no-nut-November, though. Time to rise up and try again. >>25816 Let's how one day he gets tired and gives up. I want to think the satisfaction he gets from seeing us falling gets overshadowed by Jesus forgiving us time and time again.
I almost failed but I didn't how are your Fridays going?
>>25840 Staying strong! 💪
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I had a half-wet dream last night. By the Lord's mercy, I was able to wake up, interrupt the flow and rush to the bathroom. I've had these dreams before, but this time the demonic oppression was very, very evident, trying to force me to give in to the act. I imagine that the oppression will become more insistent, not so much because of NNN, but the Advent. Just remember that temptation and oppression are not sins, and stay strong! Let us pray for each other at all times and, God willing, banish this sin from our lives. Lord Jesus, have mercy on us brothers on this thread, let us sanctify ourselves and be counted among your own at the end of time, with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
>>25842 To be fair since you're not fully conscious during a wet dream and have no control over it it doesn't count as a sin. In fact it's actually a biological function to expel excess semen if you're not having sex.
I've lost It's over.
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I would like to think i am mostly since im going to ever liturgy i can go to (Despite The closest Orthodox church being over an hour away) and now getting more into the habit of praying before and after things the main thing that i still really suffer with is my lust pretty much anything i see that is remotely attractive or reminds of some kind of pornographic material i always end up end up being consumed by my lost and cave in its honestly so bad that im considering just getting an old Nokia 3310 so i dont have access to the internet at all times
>>25845 Get back on your horse, anon. The fight isn't over yet.
>>25845 >>25849 I failed too brothers. I don't know how we're ever going to beat this. May Jesus have mercy on us, this cross is too heavy.
>>25850 I failed this Tuesday's morning too. Woke up before the alarm clock, picked up my phone, started browsing half-asleep; twenty minutes later, I had sinned. I lack the drive to face it like a battle, I'm just dragging my feet along the way... and then complaining about it online. I guess most of the time is not that bad? But when I'm at a low point I feel it's always been like this, even when it hasn't, and that discouragement makes me sink deeper. I should get some kind of filter for my phone. >>25853 Yes, that guy does raise some valid points, there comes a point when you just have to do it (or not do it), no excuses. At the same, he hasn't been exposed to pornography since before he was 10. Sometimes I feel like I've been a sexual abuse victim, only I'm both victim and perpetrator.
>>25857 the reason it feels worse when you fail is because you tell yourself that you're not going to fail day after day, only to do it again. it's the feeling that you're a weak-willed excuse of a human that hurts more than the actual sin.
>>25858 Oh, absolutely, you've hit the nail in the head. When I fall I'm hurt in my pride, and the idea of being a lowly coomer is way more painful than the thought of rejecting Christ. Until I purge out that pride, I'll keep falling. Funny how pride often takes the form self-pity instead of arrogance.
>>25853 I think it's because it is a disease that has a dependency on loneliness. If you always had company and couldn't get away from it, then the reason you'd want to escape them and masturbate is because the company is lacking in some way, whether that is romantic or by some other means. But I think that so long as you aren't lonely, you won't have this masturbation addiction. Call it a bag of chemicals hypothesis or these simple means to excuse us, but I want to know why I'm compelled to do these things so I can figure more effective ways to get out. Oxytocin is a love addiction that stems from being deprived and the worst of the withdrawl seems worse than a bereavement. I'm not sure this man has experienced it. I want to know if he's ever experienced the breakdown of a romantic relationship, for example, or if he has experience with coaching desperate men on how to recover from things like this. It's hard. It's like all the magic you had in your life is lost, but the thing that you loved was just a proportion of your brain that you were in love with, misleading you and blinkering you, wherein what is real or what is fake can't be discerned and wherein fixing a problem with your brain chemistry is not something that can be so easily done. He reminds me of Peter Hitchens when he talks about addiction. You need to have personally had a ride beforehand; to know just how much you've been used to having a poisoned reality, how a world without it is physically impossible if it's manufactured within your own brain, and how you've regulalry poisoned yourself with it so often it has altered all your memories and experiences and interactions for all your life. I may just take the "Abilify", you know. Relationships are such haunting things to the point that I'd see me self-sabotaging my only way out of this. I don't even regret the experiences I've had but man Limerence and Oxytocin addiction is a lust-gluttony it's not right to have carried.
>>25853 Based Orthobro
Roll Call! We are a 1/3 of the way through November. How is everyone holding up?
>>25862 not really
>>25897 Wait what happened to him?
How did everyone do this November? If you didn't make it, did you at least fast to some degree that made it noticeable in contrast to the previous months? If so, keep that hard work going. If not, no worries ask for God's help in this endeavor and keep trying. The evil one doesn't want us to try at all.
>>26034 Got through most of the month only because I was sick and it killed my libido. Failed hard every day this week. Need to pray for forgiveness and then get back up again.

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