>>23410 The story of the revolt of the wicked angels against God is not in the Bible (can anyone please give a reference... maybe I missed it) Is jewish lore, and not necessary for salvation... But didn't Micheal the Archangel almost fall into the Pit of hell himself, and God saved him? I heard it was more of an epic battle. In the church of my youth, there was a large mural of Guido Reni's painting depicting the event above the alter that "Traditional Catholics" usually have an alter dedicated to Saint Mary Mother of God. Just asking.

>>23416 >The story of the revolt of the wicked angels against God is not in the Bible (can anyone please give a reference... maybe I missed it) Is jewish lore, and not necessary for salvation Satan rebelled and was cast down: >How you are fallen from heaven, >O Lucifer, son of the morning! >How you are cut down to the ground, >You who weakened the nations! >For you have said in your heart: >‘I will ascend into heaven, >I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; >I will also sit on the mount of the congregation >On the farthest sides of the north; >I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, >I will be like the Most High.’ >Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, >To the lowest depths of the Pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 >By the abundance of your trading >You became filled with violence within, >And you sinned; >Therefore I cast you as a profane thing >Out of the mountain of God; >And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, >From the midst of the fiery stones. >Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; >You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; >I cast you to the ground, >I laid you before kings, >That they might gaze at you. >You defiled your sanctuaries >By the multitude of your iniquities, >By the iniquity of your trading; >Therefore I brought fire from your midst; >It devoured you, >And I turned you to ashes upon the earth Ezekiel 28:16-18 Other angels, who sinned, are in hell with him: >Then shall the king say to those who will be on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, which is prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41 >For God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down into hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be kept until the judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 >The angels also who did not keep their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day Jude 1:6 There was or will be (in the last days) a war in heaven where Satan and his rebel angels battle with Michael: >And there was a great battle in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon. And the dragon fought, and his angels, but did not prevail; neither was their place found in heaven any more. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil and Satan, who deceives all the world. And he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out also. And I heard a loud voice saying, Now in heaven is made salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ. For he is cast down who accused our brethren before God day and night.  Revelation 12:7-10 There may be further verses but these were the most immediately relevant.

>>23420 Oh and if you take the reference to the stars falling out of heaven in the following passage in Revelation as a reference to angels, then you get the interpretation that a third of the angels in heaven accompanied with him: >And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.  Revelation 12:3-4

>>23420 Thanks. I guess my eyes glazed over when reading the Book of the Apocalypse. You're certainly right about Isaiah 14:12-15, 2 Peter 2:4, and Jude 1:6 Pretty sure Matthew 25:41 is talking about people at judgement day. 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Isn't the Ezekiel about people as well? Angels don't have sanctuaries, or trade. Yet, the scripture says "And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,"... where Cherub is a type of angel. Still, Ezekiel 28:1 says the Lord is telling a son of man that this is address to the ruler of Tyre. "Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre,..." which was a city in Lebanon. But where did the part about the legion of angels throwing themselves into the Pit upon seeing Christ come from, or that Saint Micheal found the "battle" easy?

>>23422 >Pretty sure Matthew 25:41 is talking about people at judgement day. It is, but the second part of the verse says that the fire is prepared not only for people being judged but for "the devil and his angels," which indicates that not only Satan alone is going to be cast into it. I was debating whether to include that verse in the post. >But where did the part about the legion of angels throwing themselves into the Pit upon seeing Christ come from, or that Saint Micheal found the "battle" easy? I suspect it may have come from medieval pastoral works or a saint's mystic vision, or secular literature. Popular conceptions of Satan and hell are colored by secular works like Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost, but scripture itself is concise on the details of the events. The altarpiece you posted technically just depicts the events of Revelation, but I'm unable to locate the specific source of the more florid account you have in mind.

>>23420 Why is Lucifer called a man? And why is it said that he had, past tense, deceived the nations before nations presumably existed?

>>23422 >Ezekiel 28:1 says the Lord is telling a son of man that this is address to the ruler of Tyre. "Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre,..." which was a city in Lebanon. He is commanding Ezekiel, as prophet, to deliver the message. >>23435 Old Testament prophecies were read with two senses. The immediate sense in the book was referring to the king of Babylon, but the passage is also taken to be a prophecy of the background and eventual destruction of Satan. Also, since the Babylonians worshipped idols and destroyed all of Israel, the king of Babylon was effectively Satan in the flesh to the ancient Jews.

>>10900 XNITY PRIMER read moar learn moar where did the previous post go?

Bumping this thread with some memes.

I picked up some wojak Christian memes over time. They really have become the new rage faces. The idea is good in them overall, the meme these ideas are contained within are distasteful.

>>24641 >I picked up some wojak Christian memes over time. >wojak you somehow made your desert-cult even cringier.

>>20957 Maybe this is effective for rebuking retards but otherwise what is the point of this? Has anyone used the argument 'morality is subjective' against someone using metaphysics to justify their Christian morality.

>>24709 Yes.

>>24642 >criticizes normalfag memes >proceeds to say 'cringe'

>>25301 Entertaining watching these Ashkenazi, purported "Jews", squirm in their own self-created mire. 81 Heil ADL!

I got ChatGPT to sing me a song about Jesus and the the apocalypse of revaluation. (Verse 1) In the book of Revelation, the story unfolds, A tale of prophecy and mysteries untold, Jesus at the center, a guiding light, In the apocalypse, revealing truth so bright. (Chorus) Jesus, the Lamb, in Revelation's pages, Guides us through the ages, across history's stages, In the midst of chaos, his love does prevail, Bringing hope and redemption, our fears he'll unveil. (Verse 2) Seven seals are broken, the scroll is unfurled, As visions of the future to John are unfurled, Jesus, the Conqueror, with a sword and crown, A warrior of justice, his presence renowned. (Chorus) Jesus, the Lamb, in Revelation's pages, Guides us through the ages, across history's stages, In the midst of chaos, his love does prevail, Bringing hope and redemption, our fears he'll unveil. (Verse 3) Amid the trumpet sounds, angels sing, Judgments and plagues, trials that will bring, A world transformed by his mercy and grace, A new heaven, a new earth, in his embrace. (Chorus) Jesus, the Lamb, in Revelation's pages, Guides us through the ages, across history's stages, In the midst of chaos, his love does prevail, Bringing hope and redemption, our fears he'll unveil. (Bridge) Though the storms may gather, and darkness may loom, Jesus remains our shelter, dispelling all gloom, In the grand finale, his glory shall shine, Uniting all creation, in his love divine. (Chorus) Jesus, the Lamb, in Revelation's pages, Guides us through the ages, across history's stages, In the midst of chaos, his love does prevail, Bringing hope and redemption, our fears he'll unveil. (Outro) So let us walk with faith, in Revelation's tale, Knowing Jesus is with us, his love will never fail, In the apocalypse's story, his role is clear, Guiding us to the dawn of a new era, without fear.

>>16389 RFD - Lead me Home is on there twice

>>25301 What you left out: >It is typically used by adherents of the racist and antisemitic religious sect known as Christian Identity. The symbol derives from the older white supremacist numeric symbol 88 ("Heil Hitler"). As they do with 88, white supremacists sometimes pair 83 with the number 14 (a reference to the so-called "Fourteen Words" slogan), creating numeric phrases such as "14/83." It's almost like you were being disingenuous on purpose. Surely that's not the case, though, right?

>>25421 So take it from them.

>>25421 I've posted that image and link outside of this forum, and i posted the entire text alongside the image. I wasn't being disingenuous, i just assume people would read the link. Christian Identity is a shameless re-writing of scripture to favor whites, but it's better than nothing. Personally i'd rather someone be a heretic than reject God entirely, maybe God can bring them to true Christianity that leans on the right-wing extremism without having to alter the Bible.

>>25424 >Personally i'd rather someone be a heretic than reject God entirely Is that what Galatians 1:8-9 says?

>>25425 It's not, but good point.

I know you guys don't like waifuism, but I was able to get this chat AI bot to work after installing many programs, and i asked it about Jesus and this is what it said.

Does anyone have that image that says "what atheists think life without Christianity is like vs what i actually is like"?

>>25440 I don't speak for this board, but I personally think that's pretty cool Anon.

There are these laughably bad Christian Channels that make videos like "if you skip this video Jesus will be sad" or "Do you have 2 minutes for Jesus?". There was one channel that almost had only these types of videos, but i can't find it.

>>25555 How do find all these? I never get these come up in my feed.

>>25557 I'm not even signed in and i get them after looking up any Christian related video i have questions on, like "how can you be sure you hear the voice of God?".

>>25459 There are two of which I am aware. I don't dare upload either of them, they're ... graphic.

>>25560 >>25606 What is the actual content of these like?

>>25611 Seems shady at best. At lot like some kind of OG chain letter, or a 'repost ITT or X bad thing happens to your family'. Jesus Christ & Christianity are both real, but this type manipulation is pure malarky.

>>25612 I found a really malicious one saying things like "Someone is planning to come to your house and killing your...". When i watch the video it's narrated by some Indian guy with Christian affirmations and has nothing to do with the thumbnail. Just something strange that i found.

Not sure where else to ask this, but I noticed this image was posted on ourobooru about a year ago, and it seems to be made by a certain imageboard artist that I haven't seen for years now. Anyone else seen him draw anything new for this or some other board?

>>25956 Well hey anon, my view of the Bible is the Keys to the Kingdom edition is the one to want, there's an hour long interview with the translater by a chap called Richard Vobes on YT... If you're to take this seriously, then what is wrong with the one I'll want to read compared to the one you'll want to read?

>>25957 >64 inspired books It may be a worthy translation, but that was not how the scriptures were assembled or used. The OT, the gospels, and the epistles were never assembled in the way we have assembled them in modern times, in neat tidy little books. The writings were used liturgically, so any assumed divine ordering is false.

https://odysee.com/@newdiscourses:9/class-identity-and-gnostic-election:4 >Woke Theory, which is to say Woke Gnosticism, requires identification with the class. Marxist socialists must identify with the workers as a class; feminists must identify with women as a class; antiracists must identify with people of color as a class; and so on. This is because they're Social Gnostics. Not only must they identify with their class, then; they do so willingly and as the "true" representatives of that class. This is not only a persistent and important feature of Social Gnosticism to understand; it is also indicative proof of their Gnosticism. In this episode of New Discourses Bullets, host James Lindsay breaks down this feature of Social Gnosticism (Woke) and helps you demystify some of their most important, confusing, manipulative, and perplexing tricks. Join him to learn how to handle it. The spiritual aspects of "Woke" ideology.

>>25967 Interesting Anon, thanks. Of course the 'religion' of any Leftist is Marxism. All the evil that flows from that entire group's behaviors has that Satanic philosophy as it's spring.

I want to share a testimony but i don't know where to put it, so i'll put it here. I just had an unbelievable time with God and some extreme Christians. I often get shamefully aroused unintentionally by harm towards me, like bosses yelling or throwing objects and i have to leave the jobs, as well as getting aroused by harming people. I was in the cold talking to my friend after some worship that i didn't take very seriously. i remembered this incident where a Russian woman who was locked out by her boyfriend in the cold. I was aroused at the thought of someone locking me out in the cold, not every thought comes from your head. My friend was was telling me that God said that i was worth dying for, and i didn't really take him seriously since i had heard it many times before. Then i remembered that the women in the News story ended up dying in the cold. I had also been planning to kill myself in a really easy painless way through out the week as well. i knew exactly where to get everything since i had made a lot of kind homeless friends. It was a very bitter sweet experience that God would die for a promiscuous sadomasochist like me.

>>25999 That's very good news to hear Anon. But it doesn't stop there. You must get yourself plugged into a church where the Christian Bible is taught, and it's precepts followed as a congregation. Get plugged into small group fellowship there. Maybe you can ask your friends for some guidance where you might go to look further? God bless you. Remember once you become sealed in Christ Jesus, God's only begotten Son, you're His forever! He will never leave you nor forsake you. :)

>>25736 Guess they never heard of Saint Peter's cross.

>>25908 Gotta love how at any point they considered forcing other people to hoist their silly flag, and then hosting a protest when they don't comply, as problematic. No, it's resisting their coercion what's problematic. >>25956 Yes. Christianity was more popular among hellenized jews than among hebrew jews. The Septuagint is *older* than the masoteric text. The oldest Tanakh is from the XI century; the oldest Christian Bible, in Greek, from the IV. No Christian, no matter the denomination, should discard parts of Scripture just because the hebrew jews did.

>>25956 I find it hard to believe God wouldnt preserve the original Hebrew in favour of a translation of a translation based on a a tradition that it's somehow inspired that isn't binding.

>>26013 The original Hebrew of which texts though? The canonization of scripture among the Israelites was a jumbled drawn out process, not unlike the Christian canonization. The various OT arrangements among early Christian communities was simply the continuation of whatever the Jewish community in that area most often used. The reason the Ethiopian Orthodox canon is larger than most is because they carried over the OT from the Ethiopian Jewish community.

I found an instance where the Jews undermined Jesus, it's a good evidence of The difference between the Jews as a race and Jesus as a God.