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/christian/ Meta Thread
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As of right now we only have three banners. I'd like there to be more, and I'm sure someone somewhere has saved the banners from previous iterations of /christian/, 8chan and otherwise. If you have them, post them here, or feel free to make your own as well! The only requirement is that they are 300x100 and of high quality.
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Welcome to /christian/!
GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!
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Didn't see one active, so I decided to make one. Reply with your prayer requests and I will include them in my daily prayers and when I go to Mass. Other anons are encouraged to do the same.
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What are Your Guys on the Eastern Orthodox Church are in of you part of it do you think its the true church what do you disagree with and or agree with?
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Questions that don't deserve their own thread.
You know the drill. Questions that deserve their own thread go in their own threads. Questions that don't go here.
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/christian/ WebM & MP4 Thread
Post Christian video clips. Hymns, sermons, memes, or anything else you find is allowed as long as it's /christian/-appropriate.
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Please don't let this one die.
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Do you believe in Purgatory?
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Waifuism and Christianity
Hi anons, im a christian man on love with a 2D girl, i have pondered a lot over the years (5+) and readed to get to a conclusion and while i have mine i wonder what other christians might think, so here i am, by waifuism i simply mean loving and comitting to a fictional girl even if she doesnt exist.
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What's the deal with christian infighting, when the world outside the churches is full of sin and of the deception of satan?
The first people who need christian correction, are the sinners, of which the unreligious out of ignorance about the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ are the most of.
Some talk about "ecumenism" between different branches of christianity.
But what about having ecumenism in converting the enemies of the church of christ, converting the unreligious, converting the neo-pagans now coming to light, converting the victims of the deception of the modern anti-christian world?
Lets make the evangelism of the Word of God, be the real way to church unity and to the real church of Christ.
>“Behold, I am sending you like sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves.
>But beware of people, for they will hand you over to courts and scourge you in their synagogues,"
>So the disciples said to one another, “Could someone have brought him something to eat?”
>Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of the one who sent me and to finish his work.
>Do you not say, ‘In four months the harvest will be here’? I tell you, look up and see the fields ripe for the harvest.
>The reaper is already receiving his payment and gathering crops for eternal life, so that the sower and reaper can rejoice together. For here the saying is verified that ‘One sows and another reaps.’
>I sent you to reap what you have not worked for; others have done the work, and you are sharing the fruits of their work.”
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The /christian/ Knowledge Repository
After going through some ideas in the meta thread, one that I've been considering a lot lately is creating a dedicated, stickied thread that acts as a guide for anything and everything Christianity. This includes different versions of the Bible, texts from Church fathers and scholars, literature, education material, films, TV shows, music, podcasts, everything
that would be beneficial to both old and new believers alike. Each of it will be organized in one very large thread for easy browsing. And that's where (You) come in.
If you have something that falls into any category listed above (and then some), post it here.
>If you have a link, post it along with a working archive (VERY important. Once it's on the Internet, it's there forever, until it isn't.). Use a website like https://archive.fo/ to check for and make backups.
>If it's an image, document, or audio/video file, post a link to it and post the file in the thread as well. I will work on getting these archived somewhere like Mega that allows playing them back in the browser. You may download YouTube videos using ytp-dl or through various Invidious instances (https://invidio.us) that allow downloading.
I will make the actual repository thread once we have substantial material and edit it accordingly, and update it as new material is posted. This thread will be for sharing resources, discussing archive methods, and how the main thread should be organized.
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/PAT/ General | Porn-aholics Anonymous Thread
Hello Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
Like many of you I myself am struggling with pornography addiction and have been trying to beat this illness for the better part of 3 years now. I'm dedicating this thread to all my other brothers in arms out there who are fighting the good fight against the wiles of the devil, Lucifer, and his legion of degeneracy he throws our way.
I'll be using this thread as both a catalogue of my own experiences, so that they may be used by others for their own benefit, and as a place to store, discuss, and share data, tips, and motivation so as to help us addicts overcome our desire so that we may enjoy life as God intended with clarity of mind and spirit.
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Thread for discussing and sharing literature relevant to the Christian faith.
I bought a copy of The Pilgrim's Progress, I read it years ago in high school and I really wanted to go through it again without staring at a PDF, and it makes for good reading before bed. I had no idea there was a part two in the story as well, where after Christian makes it to the Celestial City his wife and children go on their own journey to it as well. Apparently in high school we only ever read part one.
What have you been reading lately?
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What became of the original Christian Jewish community?
Here's a question that has always puzzled me:
So we all know that a good chunk of Jewish people rejected Christ and went on to become the modern religion of Talmudic Judaism. But there were also a sizable chunk of the Jewish community that submitted to Jesus and became the first Christians.
However, if you asked me to point out where Talmudic Jews are, I would only have to point to modern Israel and the various diaspora Jewish communities throughout the world. But if you asked me to point out Jewish communities or individuals descended from the original Jewish Christians, who have kept up such customs.... I would be at a total loss.
So what happened to them or where are they? Did the original Jewish Christians simply intermarry amongst the Gentiles to the point of being absorbed? Or are their communities of Jewish Christians who can trace their lineage back to the original Jewish Christians that exist, but either don't have as much prominent PR as Talmudic Jews, or are simply not as numerous?
And I don't mean Messianic Jews either, since this group, from what I understand, consists almost entirely of either ex-Talmudic Jews, or Gentiles who have married into or adopted Jewish customs on top of a faith in Jesus.
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I think the Satanic conspiracy is better for Christians than the racial Jewish conspiracy. The Old testament faith of ancient Judaism Jews became Christians and "those that say they're Jews but are not" are Jews that study the Talmud and the Kabbalah and according to Texe Mars worship a serpent. So the Satanic conspiracy also has an answer to the Jews as well as the Golden calf during the time of Moses.
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Happy 125th birthday Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri!
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There is no scriptural authority for true Christians to worship on Sunday. The Roman Catholic Church instituted Sunday worship to distance itself from biblical Christianity and gain pagan converts. So those who worship on Sunday are essentially saying the pope has the authority to change the Word of God.
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Bible progression thread
Post in this thread to share your current Bible reading progress and to be accountable before others in your study of scripture.
I have just finished Genesis, Matthew, and Mark.
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Helping the poor
I'm new to christianity and new to reading the New Testament. I have a question regarding helping the poor and how should we do it. It seems the Bible asumes the poor and those in need to be always in the right and seems like helping them is the best one can do to enter the Kingdom of God. But sometimes the poor can also show greed and injustice, as I have seen how a friend of mine was giving money to a homeless guy and he was harassing her to give him even more money. Even as a kid, being schooled in a catholic school, I was forced to give money to charity and then I found out no one of those we supposedly helped improved in any way, and thus we threw our money right into the trash. I understand one should partake in charity and helping those in need but at what extent? Is every homeless person, every poor, every misserable, good in nature? Or is our aid what matters regardless of who recives the aid and what they do with it? As for example, giving money to a homeless guy and then the homeless buys alcohol instead of food. Our action was good but his use of our money isn't. I want to help the poor and those in need but I'm afraid it will be futile, as people won't improve regardless of my efforts.
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I was looking for a charity that helps the poor yet doesn't support abortion. It seems the three "Catholic" charities; Catholic Charities USA, the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and the Catholic Health Association supported legislation back in 2009 that would fund abortion. This is against the Catholic faith on two levels: #1 abortion, #2 socialism.
And Peter's Pense - I'm still disappointed yet not at all surprised that Bergoglio (Who some believe to be the current Pope Francis) gave Peter's Pence to homosexual/transsexual prostitutes who were lacking in income because of the Covid shutdowns.
While searching non-Catholic religious charities that are more Catholic than Pope Frank, I ran across this story
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claimed this week that her “Jewish brothers and sisters” believe killing unborn babies in abortions is a religious sacrament “according to their faith.”
Incredible! She talking about sacrificing babies to Moloch.
Is it really part of the Jewish religion, or is she lacking in understanding in a major way?
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What is your favourite verse or part of the Old Testament?
I like the history of Moses.
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Christian Music Thread
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
the music thread is gone so I'm posting these by themselves instead. At my assembly today it was reminded that ALL the law is fulfilled and HANGS on the commandment of love. How much do we make sure we're right with the law and doing the right thing and we ignore the actual focus of God and his will from the beginning his commandment. Death experiences have told us of the great love when in the light of God. Many of us have known moments when we have been put in front of God's love and how much we want to live in it forever and how much we will live in it forever.
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Hello anons. I have some questions to inspire thought and debate.
1.Do you believe that this /christian/ community is contributing to the advancement of the kingdom of God? Can God use this imageboard to change someone's life?
2.Do you believe that prayers made by anonymous people can change someone's life?
Forgive my bad English. It's my first time posting here.
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Read 1st and 2nd Corinthians. Read and see how Paul, an apostle, debases and humbles himself in his writing, as opposed to the Corinthians who continue in sin and don't know it.
Why are we fighting here? Why do we act like people who have never read the Bible here? So much fighting, coarseness, haughtiness... We are meek, lowly servants. I don't see a lot of love here and I wish that would change. I hope that we can all examine ourselves and hold each other accountable.
>2 Cor. 3:5: Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God
We are nothing, God is everything. Everything that is good in us is God in us, not ourselves. We should all take a moment to humble ourselves.
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SUPER WHOLESOME Christian anime thread
Talk about WHOLESOME shows and WHOLESOME cute waifus.
This thread is NOT allowed to become a borderline /a/ exclave.
Posts advocating for yuri/shota (aka homosex) and other degenerate animes are NOT allowed.
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What do you guys think of this? I could summarize it but it's better if you give your opinion on if it's convicting or not. It's basically a theory of Jesus, Israelites and OT faith not being Jewish. I'd really like to know what you guys think?
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'Christianity is Based' Compilation thread
In this thread post why Christianity is based and is the Truth, or post pictures or links related to that.
The goal of this thread is to be a bag full of Jesus seeds you can quickly get and plant in non-believers' hearts. (eg. you can visit this thread for good links to send to a LARPagan to prove them wrong)
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I am thinking about applying to divinity school next year and wanted some advice. Prior to starting college, I was an atheist, was addicted to drugs and alcohol and was generally self-loathing and self-destructive. Freshman year I had a religious awakening and decided to teach myself a lot about gnosticism and buddhism. Overtime I found myself slowly moving towards Christianity and can happily say I am a full convert. My campus priest and I are close friends and I have fully accepted that Christ is my lord and savior.
At this point I am finishing up undergrad with a double major in History and Theology. My family wants me to apply to law school and I think I could make a good living as a lawyer. My father is in prison and my mother is very materialistic, both really want me to pursue law. Additionally, my brother is very successful in his field and made a point to say it will be up to the two of us to take care of our mother and sister (she's a drug addict) when we're older. Working as a lawyer will allow me to more money to take care of my family and hopefully the future family I can create one day. However, I am worried I won't like the legal profession and more importantly am very worried I will revert to my old ways. As time goes on I find myself progressively less passionate about the law and really want to continue to study religion. I just feel like if I do not dedicate my life to my faith, I will not live a life with faith.
I have good grades and will have good recommendations and think I may want to apply to divinity school. I am not sure if I would make a good priest. I am not the best public speaker and am not the most virtuous but I do want to dedicate myself to the church. I do want to dedicate my life to theology. I do want to live a life worthy of God's presence. I really just feel lost and would like advice. Should I turn my back on my responsibilities towards my family and focus on God? Should I turn my back on my responsibilities towards myself and focus on helping my family? I really just need advice. Please pray for me and thank you for reading.
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Genesis + Biblical Creation
This thread is for discussion and the sharing information critical of evolution, old earth, attempts to allegorize the early chapters of Genesis, etc.
I will be posting some basic info critical of (Neo-)Darwinism shortly.
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List of evidence
This link contains one of the largest reference materials for the bible (archaeological, literary, etc. evidence) I've ever seen:
I think it may help all of us in faith of God.
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The Gay Question
How do you convince people that homosexuality is wrong? While other areas of the LGBTAIP++ are more easier to argue against i.e trannies as long as you're not talking to someone 'woke', but homosexuality is widely accepted not just by those people but by most people in general.
It seems obvious to me that it's a mental disorder at best, but it evidently isn't for everyone.
This isn't just about convincing them that the gay community is bad, but that homosexuality itself is bad. Any sane person would agree that kids dancing half naked in a crowd of adults dressed in sexual attire who are raining money on said kid is obviously wrong, but most wouldn't be convinced homosexuality itself is bad. How do you change their minds?
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How do I know everything written is scripture or not? How do I know Paul wasn't some crazy weirdo who decided to throw in his own interpretation of Christianity? Even then, the authenticity of some of Paul's letters are heavily disputed and some even universally agreed as not consistent with his own writing.
How do I know whether or not I should practice Judaic law or not? Christ said he is here to fulfill the law, but he also said he would not abolish it.
>Matt 5:18: 18 Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single letter,[a] not even a tiny portion of a letter, will disappear from the Law until all things have been accomplished.
>Gal 3:24: 24 Therefore, the Law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
Should I practice the law to renew my faith? After all, it's what the early Jewish Christians still did anyway.
Romans 2:25: 25 Circumcision has value if you obey the Law. However, if you break the Law, you have become as if you had never been circumcised. 26 In the same way, if one who is not circumcised keeps the precepts of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 Then the man who is not physically circumcised but nevertheless observes the Law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the Law.
How do I know the Roman church is the true church? I am not a Catholic, but it's said that "the gates of hell will not prevail over the church", to paraphrase. But the Mary stuff and the Pope himself being a controversial figure lead me to believe there are deep-seated problems in Roman authority, not to mention the intentional covering up of sexual abuse in the church. But I don't want to doubt this and then go to hell forever. No church seems right, Catholic churches are too much and seem to have a lot of extra-biblical sacraments and traditions, where as Protestant churches don't take anything seriously and are a breeding ground for cafeteria Christians and people who simply don't care to take Christianity home or let the Bible dictate anything about their lives.
I'm confused about a lot of things, and I don't know what to do. Am I going to hell for thinking this?
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Post some Christian Art
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Anti-sjws are anti-Christian after all
Look at this fella, angry about the Bible and for having his Lolicon being censured by the "fascist Christians"
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How did you guys quit your vices (porn, alcohol, drugs, etc)
I'm just curious to hear your guys story, how and what did God do and give you to finally defeats your bad habits and the such (I don't have any files really so here's a random image)
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I need some bread pills about Buddhism, like inforgraphs or webms showing why Buddhism is satanic.
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Question about churches.
Hello, I'm a Christian, and I am still learning the Bible, though I consider myself decently knowledgable on its themes and messages. In the last 3 years I have undergone a massive transformation from a useless atheistic tranny into the lover of God I am now, it felt like being awakened to the truth of the universe in totality, like seeing every life at once that all point to the singular truth--that being God at the head of all things. And through my Biblical journey I have come to adore the Lord, I've come to understand the secrets of the heavens and the earth, and I've seen the light at the beginning of the tunnel, only to now know that we live in an age of darkness. The world is dying, degenerating from the natural goodness that God has shown me. I want to devote my life to the Lord, I want to give my life to Him.
But I have recently come to a crossroads of confusion. There are so many countless denominations of the church, each with hundreds upon thousands of people with their own views that differ from my own. I'm unsure if I even have any specific views on worship other than the passion I have for God. And the sheer numbers of pathways overwhelms me. They all deal in the question of what must be done for salvation but in my revelations I have rarely even thought on such things. I fear that I am pursuing the wrong path, there are countless years of history behind the churches, and they all fight one another over what is and isn't true.
It does not help that I have a terrible dislike of other people, I love my family and friends, and I want to love all men as Jesus has taught me to do, but I cannot bring myself to worship in public, not out of shame but out of distrust. This world is a corrupt world and I do not have it in me to trust other people with a topic I view so delicately. I am unsure what you would think of me, but is it impossible to worship the Lord privately? Am I damned for not participating in any of the churches? I apologize if this is a stupid question.
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Salvation Through Christ Alone = Gnostic Christianity
The Gnostic Christians were proto protestant in a sense. Before engaging this idea a few understandings must be agreed upon
>there was no gnostic "church"
>they were understood for most of history through the lens of a detractor deeming them heretics, who himself had doctrine considered heretical
>there is no perfect unified system and the beliefs vary
>the idea that could aptly unite them is that knowledge through Christ could offer salvation
This is the notion of salvation through faith alone. It says that nothing you do actually matters, it's what you think, and if what you think is a thought construct on the nature of Christ, his death, his resurrection, the implications of his death in light of the rest of the Bible, etc, that you're as good as saved, even if you sin. I see this as a welcome development and while MOST Christians who espouse salvation through faith alone aggressively would likely reject Gnosticism outright as heresy, they are still focusing on the idea. I think that salvation through faith alone is actually the same idea that much of gnosis derives from.
The issue is that people who preach salvation through faith alone are at odds with Catholics and numerous other christian run off cults that preach works based heresy while consorting with worldly powers, and so they lean heavily on literalism to boost their doctrine. What they should be considering is what marcion considered and throwing the whole OT out. After all, most Christians DO throw the OT out in favor of a few passages here or there in the NT. They wouldn't say that of course, but most Christians don't heed the OT. I believe that a resurgence in Christianity is coming in which some of these primordial non denim zoomer churches will get fed up with the prosperity gospel but also realize that it's extremely difficult to recognize both OT and literalism in general to true faith.
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Serenity the Christian Manga Storytime
An anon on 8ch's /christian/ storytimed this in honor of Easter several years ago. In honor of the end of Lent and the Resurrection of our Lord I present, for your reading pleasure, Serenity.
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Finally doing it
I've been thinking of getting into Christianity (sorry for poor choice of words) for the longest time now as someone raised fully atheist. Got given this KJV bible on the street today. I think this is my sign - gonna start reading it, now's better then ever.
Any advice for what to do other than just reading the Bible?
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It's Holy Week (in the Western church) brothers. Four days until the Passion of our Lord. Are we doing anything to commemorate it?
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Premiere of Christian film “His Only Son” breaks record and positions in the top 3 at the box office
“His Only Son”, the original biblical drama that recounts the life of Abraham based on that one time in his life, mentioned in Genesis 22, where God tested his faith by asking him to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, on the mountain of Moriah, has earned the No. 3 position in the world, just below “John Wick: Chapter 4” since last weekend.
>«HIS ONLY SON profoundly explores mankind’s relationship to God and encourages viewers to turn inward and ask: Can your faith still stand when you are asked to give everything?» the film’s official description read. With a budget of $250,000 achieved through crowdfunding, it reached a box office record that had not been achieved before and that is attracting the public to learn more about biblical stories.
>With an accurate and authentic vision, the reviews of the film explain that “His Only Son” is a refreshing, profound and contemplative experience, which comes at the perfect time for Easter, said Jared Geesey, the senior vice president of Global Distribution for Angel Studios. Likewise, he said that people are flocking to theaters, because they now have a preference for this type of stories.
>Promising to fully adhere to the biblical narrative, it will have Nicolas Mouawad, a Lebanese actor playing Abraham, Sara Sayed, born and raised in Tehran as Sarah, and Edaan Moskowitz, playing Isaac, who is an Israeli-American actor who was born in California.
>The inspiration for the film came from former US Marine David Helling, who spent time in the Iraqi desert and had a desire in his heart to share Bible stories with audiences on a theatrical stage; and he is now the one who directed the piece. “I didn’t set out to do Christian films,” Helling added. “I set out to do biblical films because they’re for the sake of the gospel — not the typical Hallmark with a Jesus tinge over it.”
>Other Angel Studios hits besides The Chosen, the first multi-season series about Jesus, is “Jesus Revolution,” which tells the true story behind the Jesus Movement of the 1970s.
>The studio has aimed to make these types of productions to attract people to faith-based content thanks to its genuine and story-driven approach.
Is it just me or is Christian media becoming more popular recently? I think it's because the world has gotten so secularized that no one is familiar with the Bible anymore so they are actually interested in learning about it for the first time.
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Interesting Theology Thread
These anime posting threads have been the bane of this board's existence for the past month now.
Post interesting theological takes or positions, things that don't necessarily fall in line with Christian orthodoxy, or are taught by major denominations.
>inb4 Ortholarpers come to the rescue.
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It's the feast of Saint Patrick
What do we make of this, /christian/s?
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Asbury University Revival
>Asbury University has become the sight of a revival gathering, with students and staff engaging in continual worship and prayer on campus over the past few days.
>What began as part of a scheduled chapel service on Wednesday morning at Hughes Auditorium in Wilmore, Kentucky, has since transformed into a constant impromptu gathering.
>Alexandra Presta, a senior at the university who is also the executive editor for the campus newspaper The Collegian, has witnessed the revival and reported on it.
>Presta told The Christian Post on Friday morning that after the chapel service concluded on Wednesday, “roughly 30 students kept going.” They've been joined by others since then.
>The chapel service featured a sermon by speaker Zach Meerkreebs based on Romans 12 and the topic of “love in action,” Presta told CP.
>“I had left for a few minutes but then felt called to return. Since then, it hasn't stopped. It's been a mix of worship, testimony, prayer, confession, silence,” she explained, calling it “a full experience of the Holy Spirit.”
>Presta estimated that as many as 1,000 people have come to the revival gathering since it started, noting that while “some have come and gone,” there are others who “have slept on the floor and continued to praise God nonstop.”
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>the Christian board
>there has never been a thread about The Chosen
Is it the greatest piece of Christian media since The Passion of the Christ or is it Mormon subversion? Should we stream it?
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Are you participating my brother in Christ? Or have you already failed?
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The Authentic Text of the Old Testament
It's remarkable how much academia has engaged in textual criticism of the New Testament, questioning every jot and tittle of the Greek manuscripts, yet comparatively barely any attention has been directed by them towards the Old Testament. Not that we should wish those atheistic scandalizers should desecrate the text, but I wanted to bring this subject to attention of the board for some opinions on it: what is the authentic text of the Old Testament? The vast majority of modern Bible translations use the Jewish Masoretic Text, which was composed by Pharasaic Jews in the 10th century, some 2000 years after the events described in it took place. It makes no sense that Christendom should be using an adulterated text from a sect that by its very nature is anti-Christian. But then what remains? From what I can tell, there are the following sources:
- Jerome's Latin Vulgate (from circa 400 AD), which he translated out of the original Hebrew from the ancient manuscripts available to him
- The Syriac Peshitta (100 - 200 AD), while the New Testament appears to derive from the Greek manuscripts, the Old Testament seems to be of a parallel tradition to the Septuagint. Syriac is a language that is related to Aramaic and Hebrew, so it's less likely to have misrenderings as a result of having to translate from a Semitic to an Indo-European language, and it uniquely contains some elements that provide additional context for events.
- The Targums (200 BC - 200 AD), informal spoken translations of the Old Testament. They are extremely paraphrastic.
- The Dead Sea Scrolls (300 BC - 100 AD), hidden by an esoteric Jewish sect, the Essenes, in caves during the Roman-Jewish Wars. Technically, the oldest copies of the Hebrew scriptures. However, as they were produced by a sect that was outside the mainstream of contemporary Jewish society, it should raise questions about whether they maintained the integrity of the scriptures.
- The Septuagint (300 BC - 100 BC), the Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was used by the early church. There are various issues with the Septuagint manuscripts available to us today however; the extant copies date to the fourth century. In ancient sources, the Septuagint was described only to be a translation of the books of Moses, whose origin and quality were remarkable, but the Septuagint as we have it today contains the prophets and the writings. If you look up any Septuagint based translation, you will find portions missing verses (e.g. 1 Samuel 17:12-31) because they're not in the manuscripts we have. Lastly, the insufficiency of the Septuagint was part of what prompted Jerome to begin his project of re-translating the Old Testament from Hebrew to Latin for the church to have a better text for its understanding.
- Samaritan Torah (>300 BC??), the Samaritans, who were rejected by the Jews upon their return from Babylon, have a unique version of the books of Moses (and of them only). It includes such deviations from the usual Jewish text as commandments to worship on Mount Gerizim instead of the Temple Mount of Jerusalem. Some of these are supported by witnesses in the Dea Sea Scrolls. However, as it is a sectarian work, the same question about whether they would have maintained the integrity of the scriptures hangs over it.
So, before we even tackle the issue of translating into English, what is the source text we ought to be translating from? Frankly, the institutions of learning seem to have been quite useless in giving an answer, because so far they either uncritically accept the Masoretic Text and the apparent impeccability of its authors, or say that it's literally anything but what the church historically believed (because Christians are retards and us enlightened secularists are obviously right!!!), or put forward that the original text never existed at all.
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There seems to be a multitude of users on imageboards stuck living generally broken lives. How can /christian/ minister to this?
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I have been spiraling
Anon's this board may not be perfect but it has been a good place for me to be whenever I am online. To be frank I have not been at peace the past few days. My father is not saved and he is getting old, I have been debating with myself whether free will is even real, how predestination works and if it does, does that mean anything I do has true meaning or am I just a pawn in things I do not understand. I have only found peace with prayer and working out, I have faith in my Lord but perhaps this is just showing me how much I have to grow in trusting the Lord, perhaps this is just my flesh fighting my spirit but advice or prayers would be greatly appreciated.
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Resolving the Filioque
It is no secret the Eastern Orthodox reject the Filioque of Rome.
But what is definitive Orthodox statement of what exactly is going on in the trinity? The Catholics can point to Florence. Is there a similar Orthodox statement?
Part of me thinks that had Florence not dogmatized the filioque as "one principle and a single spiration" The Catholics and Orthodox would've reunited under an agreement that each side had a permissible theological opinion. I mean, the ultimate reality of the Holy Trinity is unknowable.
That said, is there any way to resolve the controversy without rejecting the other side as heretical? I see all over the place bickering over who is right and who is wrong. But never do we examine any potential compromises or solutions.
Perhaps we could say the Father alone is the principle/cause of the Trinity. The Father however, directs the Holy Spirit as Spiration to the Son initially, and the Son responds in like, unified spiration. Therefore, the Son’s presence to the Father calls forth the Spirit from Him, in a sense. It is by his eternal and natural and proper love as Father for Son that the Ekporeusis of Spirit from Father is begun. It is by his eternal and natural proper love as Son for Father, that the Son calls forth the Spirit from the Father. The Spirit’s hypostasis is sealed in its procession by His resting upon the Son.
Or perhaps would it be possible for the Latins to revoke the dogmatic pronouncement retroactively as the Greeks never ratified it? Starting the discussion again from the beginning?
Have you guys read or heard any proposed resolution on the controversy?
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New Bible Translation Dropped
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Has the definition of "repent" been changed over time? Should "repenting of sin" be included when preaching the Gospel? Does it turn the free gift of salvation into a works-based program, denying that Christ's life, death, and resurrection was sufficient to reconcile us to God?
I used the following Bible word search website as a resource to find every time the word "repent" was used in the KJV Bible: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html
In the Bible, the word "repent" is used 112 times. Forty-six times in the Old Testament, and sixty-six times in the New Testament (I've excluded its apocryphal uses). Out of 112 times, only five times was it used in reference to "repenting of sin", and never used that way in regard to the Gospel or eternal salvation. Contextually, it commonly means one of the following three things:
-Changing one's mind (whether God or man);
-Being grieved inwardly (may include regretting); and/or
-Turning from worshipping idols to worshipping God
Examples of God repenting (many cases, only a few listed for brevity. Some uses are God deciding a different course of action, some are Him being grieved):
>"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." -Gen.6:6
>"And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." -Exod.32:14
>"...and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel." 1Sam.15:35
Examples of repenting meaning "turning to believing the truth (from falsehoods or idolatry)" (these are most used in reference to eternal salvation):
>"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him." -Matt.21:32
'Repenting' meaning 'believing John the Baptist'.
>"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." -Mark.1:15
'Repent' meaning 'believe the gospel'
>"And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." -Luke.16:30-31
'Repent' meaning 'being pursuaded to believe the truth'...
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Catholic/Protestant Slapfight Thread
Due to several threads being dragged wildly off-topic by some anons' inability to hold themselves back whenever someone says the Pope is the antichrist or that Martin Luther destroyed Christianity, this thread will serve as a pseudo-containment thread for dialogue between Catholics and Protestants. Rules still apply in here, keep the thread on topic, do not make one-liner insults or ad hominems, keep it civil and respectful. Posts that try to start fights between Churches and drag the OP off-topic in other threads will be deleted, no matter how many there are.
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Christianity is literally the best and perfect religion
>judaism: incites extreme racial supremacy and hatred, and rape-torture of children
>islam: incites violence and murder of people with different beliefs, and woman oppression (and it also indirectly forbids anime because art is haram)
>hinduism, buddhism, folk religions, etc: utter schizo shit, and many of them are inhumane too
>no religion: makes you a gay rootless redditor who thinks he's smarter than everyone
>Christianity: preaches love, etc and if you look at it from a religious perspective it's also beautiful because of the whole God sacrificing his son for humanity's sins thing
>it's also not schizophrenic/too unscientific
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
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Is this for real?
I was searching the various Eastern Christian Churches that are called "Orthodox" and came across the Brother Nathanael Foundation.
I wanted to know the details of the these Eastern faiths. I feel a bait and switch was done with the Roman Catholics; I did Catechism out of Father Cogan's "Brief Catechism for Adults" and then a whole different faith is thrown at me from Aquinas' huge "Summa" which changed everything.
So, I wanted to know what the real faith is of the Orthodox. Some say they're not in Mary worship, and they tend to keep the same faith, but the Orthodox in America are known for preaching sodomy is not a sin.
Anyway, I'm getting off subject in my own OP.
Seems Brother Nathanael a Jewish man who converted to Russian Orthodox. Seems a bit over the top.
Thoughts? Would like to hear from a Russian orthodox especially.
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Evangelizing the Jews
ITT: post resources and advice for refuting the Jewish religion and demonstrating that the Christian religion is the religion of the Tanakh.
Real Messiah youtube channel (Rev. Dr. Michael Brown answers Jewish objections to Jesus): https://youtube.com/c/RealMessiah/videos
Particularly good vid from the above, "Psalm 22 does not speak of death by crucifixion" https://youtu.be/5QdbLUKhVcE
One For Israel youtube channel (Israeli Christians make arguments and counter-arguments against Judaism, also many testimonies from Jewish converts to Christianity) https://youtube.com/c/ONEFORISRAEL
Some personal tips for evangelizing Jews from my own experience: firstly recognize that the Jews come in a few categories. Jewish atheists are not relevant to this thread, they should be dealt with as any other atheist. Some Jews will view Jesus as a wise rabbi, most who oppose you will view Him as a sorcerer (this should not surprise you as we see much the same division between the unbelieving Jews in the gospels). Some Jews will be more or less informed about their religion and ours, but the ones to watch out for are those (typically orthodox but probably at least conservative) who are highly educated on this topic and make it their mission to oppose you, the counter-missionaries. You ought to be well read yourself in theology and the Old Testament before you argue with them. Isaiah 53 is generally not the best place to start, not because it is a weak point for us or that it does not actually point to Jesus but because the counter-missionaries can reply to it in their sleep, you won't get anywhere by getting the opposition to rehearse. Your best bet is to 1. demonstrate the inconsistencies of the Jewish religion with the Old Testament scriptures and 2. hit on lesser known Messianic prophecies which are clearly fulfilled in Jesus. For example of point 1 the fact the Jews have no priests and offer no sacrifice, yet this is the foundation of biblical religion. They will respond to this in two ways, they will attack this biblical truth by attempting to set certain scriptures which denigrate sacrifices and which especially exalt repentance against the scriptures which require sacrifice. Answer by pointing out how men always offered sacrifice to God even before Abraham, as Cain and Abel did. Explain the failure of their interpretation of the other scriptures, for example how the blood of goats and calves was indeed worth little, the only fit offering was that of the Son of God Himself. The other attack they make is to boldly dismiss the necessity of sacrifice out of hand by boldly asserting that sin offerings were only for unintentional sins, this particular response can be cut down with the mere citation of Leviticus 16, but if they persist you should exegete that scripture to keep them from twisting it.
An example of point 2 is how scripture repeatedly prophesied that He would convert the gentiles e.g. Micah 4. This is a particularly good argument for us gentiles, because we can cite the example of our ancestors who once worshipped false gods whom we have long since forgotten. There have been many false messiahs and the Jews will agree with this, they never did anything like fulfill this prophecy, so how can Jesus be a false Messiah when through Him I now worship the Lord and not Wodanaz, whom my ancestors have forgotten for a thousand and a half years?
The Jews will assume, assert and act like their religion is that of the Old Testament, and Christianity is something else. You must not let them do this. They splintered off from the truth and apostatized into a false religion, they have no right to any of the scriptures which are properly inherited by ourselves, God's covenant people. You must reprove and correct their presumption that they stand in the tradition of Moses even though it will bring insults and mockery at the least. Do not be ashamed or afraid to assert the authority and legitimacy of the New Testament revelation, or its consistency with Old Testament revelation, or the sharp inconsistency of the Talmud with the Old Testament. But you also should not unnecessarily offend them; be willing to write G-d instead of God, call the Old Testament the Tanakh, and absolutely do not use the divine name unless you truly have no alternative. Do not go out of your way to offend them, the gospel is offensive enough.
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Pope Benedict XVI dies at the age of 95 years on the vigil of the new year
>Farewell to Benedict XVI: ‘Humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord'
>The 95-year-old Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI passed away on Saturday at 9:34 AM in his residence at the Vatican's Mater Ecclesiae Monastery.
>Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has returned to the Father’s House.
The Holy See Press Office announced that the Pope Emeritus died at 9:34 AM on Saturday morning in his residence at the Mater Ecclesiae Monastery, which the 95-year-old Pope emeritus had chosen as his residence after resigning from the Petrine ministry in 2013.
>“With sorrow I inform you that the Pope Emeritus, Benedict XVI, passed away today at 9:34 AM in the Mater Ecclesiae Monastery in the Vatican. Further information will be provided as soon as possible. As of Monday morning, 2 January 2023, the body of the Pope Emeritus will be in Saint Peter's Basilica so the faithful can pay their respects."
>During a briefing at the Holy See Press office, the director, Matteo Bruni, told journalists that Pope Francis will preside over the funeral of the Pope Emeritus on 5 January at 9.30 CET in St. Peter's Square. No tickets are foreseen for participation in the Mass.
>"Quite soon, I shall find myself before the final judge of my life. Even though, as I look back on my long life, I can have great reason for fear and trembling, I am nonetheless of good cheer, for I trust firmly that the Lord is not only the just judge, but also the friend and brother who himself has already suffered for my shortcomings, and is thus also my advocate, my “Paraclete.” In light of the hour of judgement, the grace of being a Christian becomes all the more clear to me. It grants me knowledge, and indeed friendship, with the judge of my life, and thus allows me to pass confidently through the dark door of death." - Pope Benedict XVI, Letter to the Archdiocese of Munich, 8 February 2022
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Defeating sexual desires
Hello anons. My heart is somewhat heavy as I write this, I do not have anyone that I feel comfortable sharing this with so I am coming here under the cover of anonymity to exchange my thoughts and seek yours on this subject.
Masturbation is a sin
Sex outside of marriage is a sin
Engaging in prostitution is a sin
As a man I have a natural sex drive
I would like help and advice on defeating my sexual desires without committing sin. If I abstain from masturbation, I can refrain from engaging in sexuality for around a period of a week with little difficulty. After that initial 1 week period, it starts to encompass my whole life. I have an erection when I wake up every morning, and I get more throughout the day, at least one an hour and more if I have to interact with any girl under 30. I pray for help in keeping the sexual thoughts away, but it feels like I'm fighting a losing battle and I will relapse at some point no matter what. The longest I've been able to abstain from anything sexual was when I was an atheist and I lasted around a year. After a period of a few months, paradoxically my whole life was concerned with sex, I was not having orgasms however the only thing I had on my mind every day was "I need to find a girl to have sex with" (which never worked), everything was secondary to that. It culminated with me getting cock-teased by a girl I was exchanging with for around a week, getting fed up when I realized I was just getting taken along for a ride then seeking the services of a prostitute, which broke my abstinence and made me lose my virginity, if that concept even exists for a man. I regret the choices I made.
After this chapter in my life, I concluded that the healthiest thing to do was to masturbate once a month to get it out of my system and to be able to live my life without being entranced by sex all the time. Eventually I relapsed and was engaging with porn at least 10 times a week, until I found the faith which helped knock it back down to something more reasonable like 2-4 times a month. However, sin is sin and I would like to be fully rid of it.
I know that the simplest answer is to marry a girl, whoever that does not appear to be possible for me (it appears that my fate is to be an incel which I've come to terms with), so it seems like I've come to an impasse. I can't masturbate without committing sin, and I don't have a way to relieve myself of those sexual desires legitimately. However, if I don't relieve myself of it, it quickly starts to take over my life (I had begun to call the action of masturbation "satiating the beast" in my head). I don't know what to do.
I remember seeing this anon who castrated himself on old 8chan years ago and thought he had lost his mind then, though now every day I start to understand more and more why he wanted to be rid of his sexual desires.
Additional question: Why did God give me (and other men) such a strong sex drive and at the same time put me and a lot of other men (40% of men under 30 reported no sex in the past year in a study around 2018 I believe and that was before the corona lockdowns which must have made that number shoot up even more) in an era where it is extremely difficult to rid yourself of this desire without committing sin?
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Conflicted thoughts, what should I do?
Hello Anon, since last Christmas I have not really been at peace with myself. I went to the Christmas mass of my Protestant church and I noticed that cake was sold in the church. Isn't it disgusting to see a temple of God degenerate into a financial hub?
I searched the Bible for an answer and kept coming across the passage where Jesus beat the merchants out of the temple with a whip.
Anon, I'm at a loss. They always say I should take Jesus as an example; but should I go so far as to buy a whip?
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/hfg/ - Husbands and Fathers General #1
Hello. I'm wanting to spearhead a new general thread with the specific focus of being a place where Christian fathers and husbands can convene and discuss different related topics. I've read a lot of self help books and content for the past 15 years, and been to therapy for some years (I don't go currently and haven't for more than a decade). I've found it challenging to find practical, actionable advice out there. Oftentimes when seeking advice through a Christian lens, it's just secular stuff with a Christian flavor. Of course, I reference The Bible. I'm looking for stuff that offers a deeper perspective. Presently I'm experiencing issues with a potential romantic partner where she is combative for the sake of being combative. Though she did find Christianity via some friends when younger, it was non denominational, charismatic, faith healing, etc. She lives in a very liberal town, in a liberal state. Most of the people she interacts with regularly and via her job are ultra liberal, LGBTQ, vaxxed, though she isn't. Still there is a strong and clear feminist vein running through her thought processes. I've considered the reality that, because my slow conversion to Christianity is young, and that I often sin, and have only recently truly committed, that she doesn't want to hear it from me. I've also considered just walking away, but we have a strong though confused bond. By this I mean that I took her virginity and am the only living person she's laid with, we were both fornicators and so it was a connection that was born of sin.
How do you guys deal with trying to interact with your wife in a very secular world, that encourages disobedience? Has anyone here witnessed a gradual change in their wife or in a girlfriend from being very worldly or insidiously feminist, to being a submissive and demure partner?
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Is this world hell?
I can't help but notice that this world is full of very wicked people. Governments are wicked. Wars are wicked and people regard wars like sports teams - hurray for our side!! Businesses are wicked. Religions are corrupted and wicked. Criminals are wicked, but so are the police who would taze an old man in his home, drag him outside his door, and throw a weapon on him. But they know he's innocent!
The Synagogue of Satan owns everything; banks, porn, advocates sodomy, and they're wicked evil.
Is this hell?
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To distance ourselves from the Godless capitalistic and consumerism poisoned Christmas we, the christians, have made the term Jesusmas about the holy birth of Jesus Christ day without heretical and Godless ideals.
Also only for Christians, sorry japs that eat KFC on a Christmas without Jesus.
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Saw a scripture quote on /christian/
And I'm unable to find it the quote and don't know how to search to board to find the post.
It was not in the Gospels, and the context was if the church was gone it was enough to be baptized to be saved if one had faith in the Lord and kept the whole word.
I'm not sure if I let cognitive bias lead me astray, or if I read it correctly, and I want to research it more.
Anyone know of scripture that says that, in the absence of the Church, and towards the end times that it is sufficient to be baptized? Maybe the Book of the Apocalypse?
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How do reconcile the need for money to live with your spirituality? It's difficult to find a way to earn money beyond a subsistence that constitutes a wholly moral act. For me, I feel its a significant roadblock to achieving a truly whole relationship with Christ. Previous roadblocks I faced were being a fornicator, as well as being estranged from my family and therefore not honoring them. I spend a lot of time trying to reconcile Matthew 6:24 with a modern lifestyle but don't have a way yet that feels legitimate to me. I've entertained alternate understandings of Matthew 6:24 but I think it's pretty clear.
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What's the Christkind (Christkindl) exactly?
It started as being the incarnated spirit of Baby Jesus, then switched to being Child Jesus with wings, the went in the angel side.
So what's the relation between Christkind and Jesus if there is one and they aren't the same being in different avatars?
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I want to get this of my chest as a confession and because other than the Lord I don't want anyone else to know this. I give up on finding romantic love.
I am going to focus on my self and on taking care of my mother. Focus on my goal of buying a good house. Maybe this is what God wants me to do for the rest of my life. This doesn't mean I hate or have Ill-will against women, I think and feel that God doesn't want me to be with anyone.
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3 days to see The Lord
we are going to see the lord in three, brin your gold, frankincense, and myrrh
be grateful for all the times the Lord has forgiven you, cleanse you, heard you and how much he loves you, bring your thanks, your problems your sins and your joy! lets see him He that saved us from all the darkness of the world
how will you spent your christmass?
how much love you have to give?
how joyful you are?
are you sad? let your problems to the people here and let us pray for you
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Loving your enemy
I like a lot of parts of Christianity, but the part about being civil and loving your enemy is difficult.
People are assholes and will sometimes only listen if their met with negative consequence. Image boards are perfect example of this. I've offended people in the past for saying racial insults (not even to them) and they make it their life's mission to offend me, and after we had days of pissing contests i humble myself and it works as well as you'd think. I don't hate people either but they're assholes who will do terrible things to you if let them get that far. An enemy is defined as someone who wants to do us harm, I know that once some gets physical it's okay to defend yourself, but what do you do when someone is obviously mad at you and won't stop being an asshole, being kind doesn't work. This goes for online discussion, and i am guilty of it as well but it looks awful when Christians bad mouth pagans, but what are we suppose to do when they're assholes to us as well.
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Hating the LGBT Community but not gay individuals
So I am sort of Bi although a devout Christian (Yes call me a fag IDK) and I am fucking annoyed with the LGBT community to no ends. I have a friend who is a Lesbian Atheist that agrees with a lot of morality that Christian ideology brings and even she notices that the LGBT community is self sabatoging. They like to present themselves as a community that wants to love their partners but in practice they are just constantly hooking up with one another. The LGBT community should have gatekept more in my opinion or needs to be shamed when they behave in a sort of manner.
Like I personally don't give a shit if 2 guys wanna slam the ass and you are free to disagree with me but I do think that the fucking pride parade types are fucking atrocious. Its like they revolve their entire lifestyle arround being gay as if it was their own religion.
I even have a theory that men who become women are the main vectors of disease because they believe that the more men wanna have sex with them then the more they pass and are validated.
IDK where the fuck this rant is going but I just wanted to talk about that shit.
Personally I have a lot of gay friends but they are almost always very much against the gay community and are Christian themselves, asside from that one girl.
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Deliverance after death?
It's generally understood that there can be no deliverance after death. Yet traditional Christianity has long upheld the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell, that Jesus descended into Hell during His death to deliver the Old Testament righteous as they could not save themselves being under the weight of original sin. So it seems that there was a special case in which this applied. There is also the ancient tradition of prayers for the death. Now, without consideration of Roman Catholic dogmas of purgatory, was this a one-time event? That is, that Christ no longer harrows Hell, and those that die in ignorance of the gospel, for example, following His death and resurrection are condemned to eternal damnation? Or, being that Heaven and Hell are timeless, did in the Harrowing Jesus bring up all the men and women throughout history worthy of deliverance as per His judgement, and not just the spirits of those that died prior to His crucifixion?
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Post your Christ-chans
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When exactly is a man and woman married in God's eyes?
We see nothing about rings being exchanged in scripture, or requiring someone to recite some phrase then requiring "I do" or "yes" to be said, or for a kiss to be exchanged, or for documents to be signed. The first marriage was Adam and Eve, but they had no ceremony or ring or ritual or anything as far as scripture is concerned.
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The Biblical Canon and Protestantism
I have been an Orthodox catechumen since April, but I still have doubts sometimes that spring up based on my experiences. For example, for prayers, Orthodox Christians seem to fall back heavily on prayer rules, which as far as I see it constitutes little more than reading a script vainly to God rather than raising up the heart and the mind and forming a interpersonal relationship with Christ. And I have also wondered whether the Divine Liturgy, given the fact that it remains essentially the same apart from troparia, kontakia and epistle and Gospel readings, is a vain repetition in itself. Even the practices of fasting seem like they are done wrongly, given that they mainly advocate for switching out foods with vegan / vegetarian equivalents, which seems vain.
I have considered jumping ship, but it really comes down to the Biblical canon. It doesn't seem like Protestantism can really justify the Biblical canon apart from an institutional, visible Church, and that is even with admitting that Scripture is indeed God-breathed. How is it done? Can it be done? Eager to hear anons' thoughts.
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I've had this theory in mind for like a year now
>normal rainbow = 7 colors = 777 = God; lgbtp "rainbow" = 6 colors = 666 = s*tan
and I finally made an infographic of it. What do you think?
If you like it, please share it as much as you can. Heh, it's funny thinking that you could eventually find this picture in some random boomer Facebook group.
But I know the picture isn't very graphically impressive, so if you like the theory you could make a better picture. Or if you could improve this theory that'd be good too.
This thread can also serve for other similar pictures, preferably OC (Original Content, ie. you made it)