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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Anonymous 11/06/2022 (Sun) 23:31:37 ID: db8887 No.21038 [Reply]
I want to get this of my chest as a confession and because other than the Lord I don't want anyone else to know this. I give up on finding romantic love. I am going to focus on my self and on taking care of my mother. Focus on my goal of buying a good house. Maybe this is what God wants me to do for the rest of my life. This doesn't mean I hate or have Ill-will against women, I think and feel that God doesn't want me to be with anyone.
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>>22449 that is impossible, she is a woman no matter what
>>22487 whatever, you dont get it.
>>22488 >think he meant look at them how youd look at a male friend can i ask her to wrestle with me, to help me fix my car? to hang out in my house in late hours?
>>22531 You're missing the point
>>22535 I think you are. This Anon is correct >>22432, and you are suffering from a) ignorance about the female race in general, or b) you have already been consoomed by the brainworms of pandering simpery. Either way, your position (if you are in fact an XY) is what has gotten the West to the disasterous stage we're now at. Make no mistake, we've already fallen off the cliff. You and your ilk certainly played your part in this. Of course the bulk of the blame lies squarely at the feet of The Globohomo Big-Tech/Gov & their (((actions))). But that's no excuse for your own. Women today are children, plain & simple. Unfortunately, though the Monkeys with Machine Guns maymay is humorous, the deadly force wielded by these overgrown and sinfully self-centered miscreants is not. They have literally destroyed the lives of millions of men so far And Counting... >tl;dr Treat them like the children they are, and the world will be a much healthier, safer place for everyone -- them included. I understand you're already too far gone friend (short of Divine intervention) so this is basically for the rest of the anons here.

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3 days to see The Lord Anonymous 12/21/2022 (Wed) 14:10:30 ID: ea8043 No.22493 [Reply]
we are going to see the lord in three, brin your gold, frankincense, and myrrh be grateful for all the times the Lord has forgiven you, cleanse you, heard you and how much he loves you, bring your thanks, your problems your sins and your joy! lets see him He that saved us from all the darkness of the world how will you spent your christmass? how much love you have to give? how joyful you are? are you sad? let your problems to the people here and let us pray for you
>>22493 God has given me so much and happiness i never could of even imagined as of late despite my sins, despite my wrongdoings, and my injustices toward Him. im truly grateful toward Him.
>>22496 Based and amen.
>>22493 Today I learned that liquid Frankincense oil added to a candle is a bad idea. For Christmas I ask God almighty for a church that follows the faith given to us. I'm worried that it is there but I cannot see it.
>>22496 same brother, in sadness,pain, grief,anger,joy, happyness, he is always there >>22501 amen

Loving your enemy Anonymous 09/13/2022 (Tue) 01:14:54 ID: 0cd1de No.17899 [Reply]
I like a lot of parts of Christianity, but the part about being civil and loving your enemy is difficult. People are assholes and will sometimes only listen if their met with negative consequence. Image boards are perfect example of this. I've offended people in the past for saying racial insults (not even to them) and they make it their life's mission to offend me, and after we had days of pissing contests i humble myself and it works as well as you'd think. I don't hate people either but they're assholes who will do terrible things to you if let them get that far. An enemy is defined as someone who wants to do us harm, I know that once some gets physical it's okay to defend yourself, but what do you do when someone is obviously mad at you and won't stop being an asshole, being kind doesn't work. This goes for online discussion, and i am guilty of it as well but it looks awful when Christians bad mouth pagans, but what are we suppose to do when they're assholes to us as well.
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>>21663 >Faith Apart from Works is dead >By their fruits you shall know them. James 2:10-12 Exodus 20:8-11
You should look towards the old testament for guidance more often. Remember Jesus had to be perfect in the old testament laws since he is the messiah. In this case it's obvious that God in his absolute glory would give us knowledge on how to conduct ourselves in these situation. As such I'll leave with you ecclesiastes 3 as a respectable answer to your question. Ecclesiastes 3:1- "1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace." It's not a sin to hate otherwise this piece of godly wisdom wouldn't have been bestowed upon us. What is the truth though is that it really depends on the situation is. For example we shouldn't love someone like freddie mercury who straight up said he'd rather go to hell than heaven. Also we aren't to help those who deny that Jesus is the messiah as in 2 John 1:9-11 "9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." Expresses that by doing so we as Christians would be liable to equivalent punishment for helping these Anti-Christs.
"You shall have love for the stranger, because you were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Deuteronomy 10:19)
>>17899 Love doesn't equal to tolerating everything. Sometimes love entails confrontation which is necessary in places like in India where there still are human offerings in pagan rituals.

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Hating the LGBT Community but not gay individuals Sperit 08/03/2022 (Wed) 07:54:27 No.15565 [Reply] [Last]
So I am sort of Bi although a devout Christian (Yes call me a fag IDK) and I am fucking annoyed with the LGBT community to no ends. I have a friend who is a Lesbian Atheist that agrees with a lot of morality that Christian ideology brings and even she notices that the LGBT community is self sabatoging. They like to present themselves as a community that wants to love their partners but in practice they are just constantly hooking up with one another. The LGBT community should have gatekept more in my opinion or needs to be shamed when they behave in a sort of manner. Like I personally don't give a shit if 2 guys wanna slam the ass and you are free to disagree with me but I do think that the fucking pride parade types are fucking atrocious. Its like they revolve their entire lifestyle arround being gay as if it was their own religion. I even have a theory that men who become women are the main vectors of disease because they believe that the more men wanna have sex with them then the more they pass and are validated. IDK where the fuck this rant is going but I just wanted to talk about that shit. Personally I have a lot of gay friends but they are almost always very much against the gay community and are Christian themselves, asside from that one girl.
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>>22436 to my knowledge David Koresh never had relations with other members wives. Be careful with information regarding them, theres lots of misinformation put out by the feds to generate disdain for the Davidians.
>>22435 Yes, I agree. I was taking the post out of context and thought the "point" was something it wasn't. My bad.
>>22423 When you can create a universe, and make stars, and make planets, and then make birds... ... you can then ask. Until then, you don't understand. None of us understand all the details, not even Lucifer, the greatest of angles who's desire for the power of creation lead to his downfall.
>>22437 Koresh. yes, wanted to be left alone, was different so people thought him strange, and traded in firearms to support his cult. Perfect target for the BATF, who needed something spectacular for congress to continue funding. The BATF went in shooting, the Davidians defended themselves, and the FBI came in with a tank and killed them all. No survivors. Then they destroyed all the evidence of their crimes. Clintons AG said it was "for the children". A bald faced lie, and given that she killed all the Children I'm surprised the American people believed it. If they hid their sin of murdering children with the lie that they were saving the children, then there is nothing they wouldn't lie about, including his wives.
>>22443 i think they did it because they were afraid of armed, self sufficient, Christians who rejected the world not because of funding. If it was for funding then why shoot first? Ideally theyd do things as peaceful as possible. idk, could have been an accidental discharge. I agree with you nonetheless.

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Deliverance after death? Anonymous 01/13/2022 (Thu) 09:49:44 No.2825 [Reply] [Last]
It's generally understood that there can be no deliverance after death. Yet traditional Christianity has long upheld the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell, that Jesus descended into Hell during His death to deliver the Old Testament righteous as they could not save themselves being under the weight of original sin. So it seems that there was a special case in which this applied. There is also the ancient tradition of prayers for the death. Now, without consideration of Roman Catholic dogmas of purgatory, was this a one-time event? That is, that Christ no longer harrows Hell, and those that die in ignorance of the gospel, for example, following His death and resurrection are condemned to eternal damnation? Or, being that Heaven and Hell are timeless, did in the Harrowing Jesus bring up all the men and women throughout history worthy of deliverance as per His judgement, and not just the spirits of those that died prior to His crucifixion?
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Hell in the bible is not called hell for a reason. Jesus uses words like Gehenna (a physical location of a garbage dump that was always on fire because of the amount of garbage being poured into it) or Hades/Tartarus (concepts people at the time would have understood as a hole in the ground). Our concept of hell came along because of Dante's Divine trilogy which was a work of fiction based loosely in Christian theology discussing his way through "hell" on his journey to be united with his waifu. The generally accepted "theory" among Christians who don't believe in hell for the above reasons is that the fiery inferno either refers to the literal garbage dump where the bodies of criminals and sinners were dumped, or to god's greatness burning sinners into nonexistence when the kingdom of heaven comes to earth, since you are not "spiritually" dead but have merely experienced a physical death until the day of judgement. The "torment" such souls feel is because they see god and heaven (the singularity), but are unable to be part of it because of their refusal to accept god and Christ due to their sins in physical life. If you come at it from this angle then of course there is potential salvation for those in hell, but the issue is that one who refused to embrace god in life and sinned as a result of it has an impure soul that will not allow them to become part of the singularity since the sins of life act as metaphorical shackles in death to one's mortal coil. To keep up with the metaphor, everyone sins and the difference is whether those shackles are thin threads or loose ropes that can be let go of with enough strength/acceptance (vices, ties to the material, minor sins, agnosticism, etc.), or if those shackles are iron chains welded to the ground (major sins like suicide, murder, atheism, etc.). One shouldn't fear the concept of hell since people aren't "suffering torture at the hands of devils and demons" but rather they should fear hell because they should want eternal life for everyone and for nobody to cease to exist after judgement day. Those who sin deeply simply wish to cease to exist after they leave their mortal coil and "temporarily suffer" upon learning what they have lost in doing so. The way my priest explained it to me growing up was not in fire and brimstone, but in a mountain of sand. >Imagine you are given the impossible task of transferring a mountain of sand from point A to point B one grain at a time >You are always climbing to the top of the first pile to grab a grain of sand and placing the new grain at the top of the new sand pile you are making. >The task never becomes more laborious than it does, but this continues for seemingly forever >When you are finally finished with moving each and every grain of sand, you are instructed to now put every piece of sand one by one back in its original place >Some days you laugh, some days you cry, some days you feel like you cannot take it any more but you must continue as you never tire completely >Even if you complete this task, you must repeat the original task again, back and forth waiting until the day of judgement when you are finally able to rest >This, is hell
>>21949 what do you think happens to souls who never heard of the Gospel? Do you believe in the harrowing of hell?
Why ask these questions? God gives us free will, but knows everything including how we shall choose. If a person doesn't hear the Gospel, then they chose something other than heaven. Why make up beliefs beyond what is in the Bible and taught by the Church?
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>>21950 >what do you think happens to souls who never heard of the Gospel? extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. The interpretation is quite clear. Not everyone who is a visibly within the church is saved, but not everyone who is invisible to the church is not a member. For salvation, one must have Christ. Whether they have Christ either on the tongue through baptism and the good word or through the "invisible church" that is only known to god is a matter of their judgement when the time comes, which is (part of) why we Orthodox pray for the dead in the first place. The concept of "limbo" is just a Catholic method of visualizing this for those who don't understand the concept of Christ within even without the good word. >Harrowing of hell I don't believe you can be a good Christian without believing in it. It's important to remember that the "harrowing" was a way the heavily militarized Byzantine culture brought the concept to the Pagans to make it seem as if it were an epic fight against the demons when in reality it was closer to Jesus giving the residents of Sheoul knowledge of their salvation allowing those who truly believed in god and by extension Christ the means to leave Abraham's Bossom and ascend. Sheoul itself the Old Testament conception of the afterlife was split into something resembling the "believers" who were in an eternal sleep with their father Abraham and the "nonbelievers" who were simple abandoned in the darkness (hence "in torment"). To be a believer you had to be born of the faith in the OT, so it was possible to be a "believer" but still end abandoned in the darkness, hence why Christ had to lead the spirits from "hell" (Sheoul). This is really one of those things where the Germans and French royally messed up the translation as it traveled Northward since all those different words for "hell" actually meant something in their original Greek, later Latin.
Catholics believe that the good souls who had died before Christ went somewhere until the Sacrifice of Christ was complete, and that Christ descended into hell to fetch them to heaven. Pope said it from the Chair, so that's the faith. And if there were good souls, and Christ descended into a higher level of hell (hell being a supernatural place that is not heaven) to fetch the just souls to heaven, then why not purgatory for those with unpunished sins?

don't be racist, friend
Jebus doesn't say I can't be racist he just says I should accept people. You can recognize the gay niggers from outer space as gay niggers from outer space while still making an effort to offer them tea while making sure they don't rob you while you're in the kitchen.
The association with Jesus and Christianity with imageboard culture by way of this "Christ-Chan" character is, at the very best, in poor taste. Do you guys not understand this? This just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
>>22171 Ok gay boomer
There are several images in this thread that are very clearly hateful, lustful, or otherwise against Christian doctrine. Lynxchan doesn't allow me to delete individual images either, only entire posts. The obsession surrounded with keeping this thread up also indicates idolotry to an extent. If you were to throw a tantrum over this thread being deleted, then you might be caring about JPEGs a bit too much. Therefore, this thread will be locked and deleted at the end of this week. Save what you want, then it's gone.
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When exactly is a man and woman married in God's eyes? Anonymous 10/13/2022 (Thu) 23:31:16 ID: 481619 No.19980 [Reply]
We see nothing about rings being exchanged in scripture, or requiring someone to recite some phrase then requiring "I do" or "yes" to be said, or for a kiss to be exchanged, or for documents to be signed. The first marriage was Adam and Eve, but they had no ceremony or ring or ritual or anything as far as scripture is concerned.
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When they are legally married, and/or God agrees they're married.
>>21981 >Tobias/Tobit 7:8. There's nothing about rings there? >And his wife Edna and his daughter Sarah wept. They received them very warmly; and they killed a ram from the flock and set large servings of food before them. Then Tobi′as said to Raph′ael, “Brother Azari′as, speak of those things which you talked about on the journey, and let the matter be settled.” Tobit 7:8 RSV-CE
>>21988 >There's nothing about rings there? Are you confused about my use of the word ecclesiastical or did you skim my post, brother? I addressed your point on rings in my second sentence. If you do not believe in ecclesiastical tradition, then there's nothing more to be said on that point. I'm not interested in yet another biblical literalism vs ecumenical council slapfight. I meant 7-8 or chapter 7 & 8, but I suppose that wasn't quite clear. I was saying the only thing the bible demands is the formal contract, the Tobias period (of marriage for a day or three days depending on your bible's translation timeline another can of worms related to a particular translator who was butthurt after being told to include apocrypha in the bible based on popular demand from church leaders when he didn't want to before consummating it), and approval by a bishop or underling approved to perform the sacrament on the bishop's behalf (that one is derived indirectly from several parts of the bible rather than from one direct sentence and there are entire essays on it that would explain it better than me). Was the OP not "When exactly is a man and woman married in God's eyes?" anon? Or did you just want to discuss rings and nothing but rings?
>>22009 When did I reply to you? And where in my post did you see anything relating to disputing church tradition? I was replying to bde805.
>>22022 It's called a VPN.

The Biblical Canon and Protestantism Anonymous 11/25/2022 (Fri) 23:08:27 ID: b08c67 No.21382 [Reply] [Last]
I have been an Orthodox catechumen since April, but I still have doubts sometimes that spring up based on my experiences. For example, for prayers, Orthodox Christians seem to fall back heavily on prayer rules, which as far as I see it constitutes little more than reading a script vainly to God rather than raising up the heart and the mind and forming a interpersonal relationship with Christ. And I have also wondered whether the Divine Liturgy, given the fact that it remains essentially the same apart from troparia, kontakia and epistle and Gospel readings, is a vain repetition in itself. Even the practices of fasting seem like they are done wrongly, given that they mainly advocate for switching out foods with vegan / vegetarian equivalents, which seems vain. I have considered jumping ship, but it really comes down to the Biblical canon. It doesn't seem like Protestantism can really justify the Biblical canon apart from an institutional, visible Church, and that is even with admitting that Scripture is indeed God-breathed. How is it done? Can it be done? Eager to hear anons' thoughts.
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>>21972 > "Catholics worship pagan idols because they have statues of Christ and saints." "Catholics pray to pagan gods and not God alone." This is just true though. We keep telling you this because we are just telling you what the Scriptures say, and what every Christian believed before the fourth century. You shouldn't be posting pictures of Jesus, you shouldn't be bowing down before images, statues, etc. and kissing them (as Orthodox do, I've seen it in person), and other things of this kind. The earliest Church Fathers all agree with this, and so does Scripture. >they trivialize the word of the LORD in some blasphemous way. This is exactly what Catholics do. God is very clear to not create, worship and serve graven images and idols. This is how the Ante-Nicene Fathers understood it, and since they are closer to the Apostles, this is how all Christians should understand it. Babbling about John of Damascus or some fourth century saint doesn't prove it is 'le apostolic tradition'
>>21972 >Like jews, they walk away once answered, and then come back the next day pretending that they never heard that answer. This is literally the M.O. of the Catholics on this board to a T. Catholics: Bloviates the same tired canned arguments as usual (i.e. Matthew 16, etc.) Protestants: Debunks said arguments. Catholics: Ignores or twists or does whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to get around said debunking, reframes themselves as victims, and proceeds to autistically regurgitate the same NPC pre-programmed scripts again and again and again.....
>>21992 I didn't realize you found the words of the Lord God to be "tired canned arguments". It was never debunked, unless you believe God gibbers, rambles about rocks, or that it is somehow a "parable" when it clearly isn't, or other bold as brass gaslighting pile of chutzpah.
>>22001 Thank you for proving my point.
>>22045 Wow. The denomination that claims worship is actually just "veneration," complaining about "word games"?

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OC infographics/memes Anonymous 11/27/2022 (Sun) 21:31:59 ID: 262f38 No.21483 [Reply]
I've had this theory in mind for like a year now >normal rainbow = 7 colors = 777 = God; lgbtp "rainbow" = 6 colors = 666 = s*tan and I finally made an infographic of it. What do you think? If you like it, please share it as much as you can. Heh, it's funny thinking that you could eventually find this picture in some random boomer Facebook group. But I know the picture isn't very graphically impressive, so if you like the theory you could make a better picture. Or if you could improve this theory that'd be good too. This thread can also serve for other similar pictures, preferably OC (Original Content, ie. you made it)
It's not very convincing, most people will say "so what if one has six colors and another has seven?" It doesn't make the lgbtq any less satanic but it won't open the eyes of those who are for the lgbtq.
>>21483 That's pretty clever and I never thought of that before. Reminds me of how almost all religions except Christianity (minus some heretical sects) use the hexagram in religious iconography to represent a deity or god. A star with 3 "rows" of 6 triangles, 666. This precedent isn't perfect obviously since nuance applies to every situation but it's been pretty accurate thus far, just make sure the symbol is being used to represent a god/deity and not explain a more complex idea. Sometimes the two go hand and hand but other times there's a difference.
>>21489 >but it won't open the eyes of those who are for the lgbtq It might work against a liberal Christian if they're on the fence but otherwise nothing but the straight word of God alone will convince a LGBT supporting Christian otherwise and even then some might still not believe you. As for non Christians that's pretty much a lost cause since they don't care about the Bible, you'd have to used logic and date to convince them and then bring out how God called homosexuality a sin 4,000 years before any of this data existed.
God gave us the rainbow to symbolize the promise not to drown all the sodomites next time. So, the next time the sodomites got fire and brimstone.
If only /pol/ had succeeded in making the rainbow a hate symbol, we wouldn't have businesses everywhere virtue signaling as if they cared about gays.

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