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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Anonymous 07/22/2022 (Fri) 06:12:11 No.14460 [Reply] [Last]
https://bannnedb.github.io/Religious-values-test/ Take this test to see where you stand religiously.
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>>22080 There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to understanding Christain Anarchist https://www.youtube.com/@RadicalReformationChristianity/videos >>22087 >Tolstoy >'''"The dogma that all the governments of the world are approvingly ordained of God, and that the powers that be in the United States, in Russia, in Turkey, are in accordance with his will, is no less absurd than impious. It makes the impartial Author of our existence unequal and tyrannical'''. It cannot be affirmed that the powers that be in any nation are actuated by the spirit or guided by the example of Christ in the treatment of enemies; therefore they cannot be agreeable to the will of God, and therefore their overthrow by a spiritual regeneration of their subjects is inevitable. I started reading The Kingdom of God is Within You and he proudly goes against scripture, he completely compromises the Christian part of a Christian Anarchist. I stopped reading after that.
>>22074 Nice greentext screencap you PWNED him!!
>>22092 You mean justifying something that is unjustifiable?
>>22092 >Posts a red flag left-anarchist channel >"Tolstoy isn't a Christian" You know I'm still working through his works but somehow I don't believe you. >>22098 Sometimes it's better to quote an expert on a subject than to try and explain it in simple words that will be dismissed or taken out-of-context.
>>22107 >redflag He's not a communist if that's what you mean. If Tolstoy is a Christian then why does he go against Scripture?

When exactly is a man and woman married in God's eyes? Anonymous 10/13/2022 (Thu) 23:31:16 ID: 481619 No.19980 [Reply]
We see nothing about rings being exchanged in scripture, or requiring someone to recite some phrase then requiring "I do" or "yes" to be said, or for a kiss to be exchanged, or for documents to be signed. The first marriage was Adam and Eve, but they had no ceremony or ring or ritual or anything as far as scripture is concerned.
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When they are legally married, and/or God agrees they're married.
>>21981 >Tobias/Tobit 7:8. There's nothing about rings there? >And his wife Edna and his daughter Sarah wept. They received them very warmly; and they killed a ram from the flock and set large servings of food before them. Then Tobi′as said to Raph′ael, “Brother Azari′as, speak of those things which you talked about on the journey, and let the matter be settled.” Tobit 7:8 RSV-CE
>>21988 >There's nothing about rings there? Are you confused about my use of the word ecclesiastical or did you skim my post, brother? I addressed your point on rings in my second sentence. If you do not believe in ecclesiastical tradition, then there's nothing more to be said on that point. I'm not interested in yet another biblical literalism vs ecumenical council slapfight. I meant 7-8 or chapter 7 & 8, but I suppose that wasn't quite clear. I was saying the only thing the bible demands is the formal contract, the Tobias period (of marriage for a day or three days depending on your bible's translation timeline another can of worms related to a particular translator who was butthurt after being told to include apocrypha in the bible based on popular demand from church leaders when he didn't want to before consummating it), and approval by a bishop or underling approved to perform the sacrament on the bishop's behalf (that one is derived indirectly from several parts of the bible rather than from one direct sentence and there are entire essays on it that would explain it better than me). Was the OP not "When exactly is a man and woman married in God's eyes?" anon? Or did you just want to discuss rings and nothing but rings?
>>22009 When did I reply to you? And where in my post did you see anything relating to disputing church tradition? I was replying to bde805.
>>22022 It's called a VPN.

The Biblical Canon and Protestantism Anonymous 11/25/2022 (Fri) 23:08:27 ID: b08c67 No.21382 [Reply] [Last]
I have been an Orthodox catechumen since April, but I still have doubts sometimes that spring up based on my experiences. For example, for prayers, Orthodox Christians seem to fall back heavily on prayer rules, which as far as I see it constitutes little more than reading a script vainly to God rather than raising up the heart and the mind and forming a interpersonal relationship with Christ. And I have also wondered whether the Divine Liturgy, given the fact that it remains essentially the same apart from troparia, kontakia and epistle and Gospel readings, is a vain repetition in itself. Even the practices of fasting seem like they are done wrongly, given that they mainly advocate for switching out foods with vegan / vegetarian equivalents, which seems vain. I have considered jumping ship, but it really comes down to the Biblical canon. It doesn't seem like Protestantism can really justify the Biblical canon apart from an institutional, visible Church, and that is even with admitting that Scripture is indeed God-breathed. How is it done? Can it be done? Eager to hear anons' thoughts.
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>>21972 > "Catholics worship pagan idols because they have statues of Christ and saints." "Catholics pray to pagan gods and not God alone." This is just true though. We keep telling you this because we are just telling you what the Scriptures say, and what every Christian believed before the fourth century. You shouldn't be posting pictures of Jesus, you shouldn't be bowing down before images, statues, etc. and kissing them (as Orthodox do, I've seen it in person), and other things of this kind. The earliest Church Fathers all agree with this, and so does Scripture. >they trivialize the word of the LORD in some blasphemous way. This is exactly what Catholics do. God is very clear to not create, worship and serve graven images and idols. This is how the Ante-Nicene Fathers understood it, and since they are closer to the Apostles, this is how all Christians should understand it. Babbling about John of Damascus or some fourth century saint doesn't prove it is 'le apostolic tradition'
>>21972 >Like jews, they walk away once answered, and then come back the next day pretending that they never heard that answer. This is literally the M.O. of the Catholics on this board to a T. Catholics: Bloviates the same tired canned arguments as usual (i.e. Matthew 16, etc.) Protestants: Debunks said arguments. Catholics: Ignores or twists or does whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to get around said debunking, reframes themselves as victims, and proceeds to autistically regurgitate the same NPC pre-programmed scripts again and again and again.....
>>21992 I didn't realize you found the words of the Lord God to be "tired canned arguments". It was never debunked, unless you believe God gibbers, rambles about rocks, or that it is somehow a "parable" when it clearly isn't, or other bold as brass gaslighting pile of chutzpah.
>>22001 Thank you for proving my point.
>>22045 Wow. The denomination that claims worship is actually just "veneration," complaining about "word games"?

'Christianity is Based' Compilation thread Anonymous 08/02/2022 (Tue) 18:33:47 No.15493 [Reply] [Last]
In this thread post why Christianity is based and is the Truth, or post pictures or links related to that. The goal of this thread is to be a bag full of Jesus seeds you can quickly get and plant in non-believers' hearts. (eg. you can visit this thread for good links to send to a LARPagan to prove them wrong)
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>>21562 The way I read the Book of the Apocalypse, and a passage from Matthew, I think at the end of time, Christians go to heaven and get new bodies 'cuz the old bodies are kinda... dead. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, cuz dying stings like heck.
>>21562 >Russia >Christians It murdered many of its Christians, destroyed many beautiful churches and monasteries, and forced the Orthodox Church under the Communist Party. So what was left of the Church after 1991 is under the Russian State, and not independent as it ought to be.
>>21659 "Russia" is not a person, but a country. Many Christians were murdered by the Bolsheviks, who's leadership were majority jewish and considered Christians to be cattle to be destroyed. Putin is Orthodox, and wasn't even born when the Bolsheviks were murdering Christians. One must be careful not to fall for Jewish lies that Christians committed the sins of the Jews. That is called "scapegoating", and has been a Jewish tradition since before Christ.
>>21661 Russian Orthodoxy is schismatic and is not in communion with Greek Orthodoxy.
>>15516 See the parable of the sower. What are preachers but laborers casting seed to the soil? Some seed will die, but some will grow into life everlasting.

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OC infographics/memes Anonymous 11/27/2022 (Sun) 21:31:59 ID: 262f38 No.21483 [Reply]
I've had this theory in mind for like a year now >normal rainbow = 7 colors = 777 = God; lgbtp "rainbow" = 6 colors = 666 = s*tan and I finally made an infographic of it. What do you think? If you like it, please share it as much as you can. Heh, it's funny thinking that you could eventually find this picture in some random boomer Facebook group. But I know the picture isn't very graphically impressive, so if you like the theory you could make a better picture. Or if you could improve this theory that'd be good too. This thread can also serve for other similar pictures, preferably OC (Original Content, ie. you made it)
It's not very convincing, most people will say "so what if one has six colors and another has seven?" It doesn't make the lgbtq any less satanic but it won't open the eyes of those who are for the lgbtq.
>>21483 That's pretty clever and I never thought of that before. Reminds me of how almost all religions except Christianity (minus some heretical sects) use the hexagram in religious iconography to represent a deity or god. A star with 3 "rows" of 6 triangles, 666. This precedent isn't perfect obviously since nuance applies to every situation but it's been pretty accurate thus far, just make sure the symbol is being used to represent a god/deity and not explain a more complex idea. Sometimes the two go hand and hand but other times there's a difference.
>>21489 >but it won't open the eyes of those who are for the lgbtq It might work against a liberal Christian if they're on the fence but otherwise nothing but the straight word of God alone will convince a LGBT supporting Christian otherwise and even then some might still not believe you. As for non Christians that's pretty much a lost cause since they don't care about the Bible, you'd have to used logic and date to convince them and then bring out how God called homosexuality a sin 4,000 years before any of this data existed.
God gave us the rainbow to symbolize the promise not to drown all the sodomites next time. So, the next time the sodomites got fire and brimstone.
If only /pol/ had succeeded in making the rainbow a hate symbol, we wouldn't have businesses everywhere virtue signaling as if they cared about gays.

Hymns Anonymous 11/02/2022 (Wed) 15:25:27 ID: 3939d1 No.20860 [Reply]
What is the worst hymn, and what is the best hymn? I have a feeling after hearing it the first time this morning this might be the worst. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDp1vJhoTf8 And this is my favorite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxlcus4IoM0
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>>20992 What happened in 2016?
>>20860 You have good taste OP. This is my personal favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYvw7jm-lsw
https://youtu.be/wq2yKKrJqVM Gregorian Chant: Pater Noster, the prayer given to us by the Lord God.
>>21147 i hit puberty, i was more innocent,more motivated, now im not, but i have christ

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Romans 9 teaches double predestination Anonymous 05/08/2022 (Sun) 18:15:05 No.10667 [Reply]
There is doctrine which is poison to fallen man's ears (and even some regenerate men's ears) because it utterly banishes them from having any control whatsoever over God's will, which is a notion that is patently offensive to a sinner, who covets God's throne. So it was that many false brothers over the millennia invented their own doctrines which would exalt themselves rather than God, claiming to be saved by their own good works and chosen for their own righteousness. But scripture knows nothing of such nonsense, God always seeking to humble man and put him in his place so that His name may be glorified above all and by all. So it is we find in Romans 9 a scripture which absolutely cuts down all men and reminds them of their place as creatures, whom their creator is free to do with as He pleases. The start of the passage must not be neglected as it defines everything that follows; we see Paul, who loves his nation, lamenting the apostasy of his nation going so far as to say "For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers". But as to them should have belonged the adoption, the glory, the covenants and the promises, it raises the question of why it is that they have been cut off? How is it that they are not all Israel who are of Israel? Paul does not leave the question hanging but without a break in the conversation flows straight in to the simple answer: "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated". But, Paul says, it was not as though He was suddenly turning His back on the Jews for no reason, but this had always been His way as He said to Moses "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy" and to pharaoh "For this reason I raised you up, so that in you my power might be revealed and my name glorified in all the earth". So then the Jews were set up for destruction not because of any failure on their part and the gentiles set for righteousness not because of any success but because of the purposes of God. But Paul anticipates an objection as he knows how such divine teaching stings in the minds of weak and fallen men, which we hear often from atheists and other heathens: "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" that is, "If my will is not supremely free I cannot be blamed for my sins". But who is a man to answer back to God, a rebel sinner to accuse the holy one against whom he rages of evil? May a pot say to the one who formed it "why have you made me like this?" So Paul answers and brings us to our conclusion: "God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory". So the elect were created to be saved, and the reprobates were created to be damned, all to the praise of His glorious grace. Not that the content of God's decree shall be held against the reprobate on the last day, but only their sins, which they truly chose and enjoyed to commit by their very real mind and will. So no blame for their evil may be placed on God's head, since it was truly their evil and they truly deserved to be destroyed as did we all, even those whom He has saved for He has done so solely because of His good pleasure.
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>>21240 We don't, we call it reformed Christianity. Opponents of it call it Calvinism to imply that he invented it, and I was using your terminology for the sake of convenience.
>>21244 Why Calvin? What if Luther is right?
>>21320 Luther was wrong.
>>21320 Luther is right: Calvin doesn't disagree with him. Calvin's work in the mid-1500s was inspired by Luther's work in the early 1500s. Luther didn't disagree with Calvin either; he disagreed with Zwingli, but when he read a copy of Calvin's book Institutes of the Christian Religion near the end of his life he directed his friend Philip Melanchthon to come to an agreement with Calvin, which he proceeded to follow through on. Other Lutherans disputed the compromise though, and their stance on rejecting Calvin's work became dominant in Protestant Germany after succeeding in political maneuvering engaged in by both sides to win princes over to their position. For the reformed churches Calvin finished what Luther began.
>>21323 Luther was much more right than he was wrong.

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Meeting Christian Women Anonymous 09/05/2022 (Mon) 00:59:51 ID: 0880c1 No.17430 [Reply] [Last]
How does even meet good Christian women as someone in their twenties? At the church I go to, all of the girls are either too young (ten years younger than me) or are already married or dating someone. Most of the people I am friends with there have girlfriends and it is really making me want to have a female companion, especially since they keep saying that I need to find one. How did you guys find your girlfriends or wives? Up until now I've been basically just trying to find the Kingdom and hoping that all else will be added to me in time, which I still believe, of course. I've made a lot of like-minded male friends in the last year, but no women other than other guys' girlfriends.
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>>20719 Because a woman who feels secure in her marriage will not be so vain. It's true for men as well.
>>19940 Lmao read Song of Solomon
>>20722 Okay, i listened to it on Youtube, it was like a 20 minute love song, i fail to see your point.
Bro you don't need no woman just get a punching bag and focus on yourself!
What's wrong with 10 years younger if you're established? I was an idiot to reject a woman 11 years younger just because she was 11 years younger. It took that long for me to get "established". She would have been an excellent wife.

About whether the Devil/Satan exists or not Anonymous 08/16/2022 (Tue) 10:02:35 No.16196 [Reply]
I've read this article/essay (supposedly written by Christians) about how the Devil/Satan isn't a real thing. https://christiansfortruth.com/how-the-devil-and-satan-are-defined-by-scripture/ It's hard to believe at first, but I wouldn't say it's too implausible either. What do you guys think? Please read the article/essay in its entirety before posting on this thread.
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>>20995 Except he'd be on the side of the demons.
The Bible is the inspired word of God. The Bible says there is a satan, and there are demons. I believe it. Please read the Bible before reading Op's. The devil temps, you give into that temptation and sin. End of story.

/christian/ is being claimed Anonymous Root 11/18/2022 (Fri) 05:39:42 No.21208 [Reply]
A claim has been requested for /christian/ at >>>/meta/15940 and since this board's owner is inactive, it is being considered. An email has been sent to the current board owner. If you are the board owner, please post in this sticky with your capcode confirming as to whether you would like to retain ownership or allow the board to be transferred to the new owner. If there is no response for one week, the board will be transferred to the new owner. --- update: The previous BO saysh has now willingly passed the BO role over to christianjanny, who is now the new BO of /christian/ (>>21282, >>21288, >>21295). >=== -add 'update' notification
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 11/22/2022 (Tue) 02:49:13.
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>log on >suddenly am BO Well alright then. Thanks saysh, best of luck in whatever you may be doing in the future. Will continue to moderate the board as I have done so in the past and open up questioning in the meta thread later to discuss exactly what threads should and should not be allowed.
>>21294 >Which could be solved as I said easily, but you have said no, so you can continue on. I'd suggest you have that dialog with the board's new owner, as he has graciously invited you to do (>>21295).
I'd like to commend #root. The Admins of Anoncafe have once again demonstrated a level of professionalism and maturity for this transition that bears them in good stead with the Internet. Cheers.
>momyyyyyyyyy they splited the church agaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
>>21295 Based may you be the David to the Saul of the first BO (no offense to the first BO).

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