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The claims about the formation of the faith of Abraham Anonymous 06/20/2022 (Mon) 20:37:38 No.13126 [Reply]
I have heard multiple claims about the formation of our scripture, such as >Exodus didn't happen >There was no Conquest of Canaan >Israelites were originally canaanites who broke off after the bronze age collapse >They worshiped the canaanite pantheon before a refugee group from egypt gave them the cult of Yahweh >They were roaming farmers who got into "sporadic conflict" with other ethnic groups >Moses didn't exist >Most of the OT was written in the 6th century BC, when Persians from the Zoroastrian religion gave them ideas for their faith, such as the idea of messiahs, heaven and hell, angels, armageddon, etc. among other things, thoughts?
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>>13126 Great stuff, everyone, however the Zoroastrian stuff remains up in the air. Then again, why would they copy Zoroastrianism word for word but still "keep" the old mosaic law and rituals, instead of just wholly converting. It's not like the Persians liked the Israelites in any way whatsoever. Now, I would say the conversation would shift to Christ himself, as it is said that his birth was wholly fabricated from both Egyptian and Zoroastrianism and in reality, he was a zealot revolutionary.
>>13456 most of what is claimed to come from zoroastrianism is from the truth, with zoroastrian sources copying it.
>>14338 Gentile prophets exist, jewish rat.
>>14417 Even if true that doesn't change that Christian sources are older than zoroastrian ones my millennia minimum

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Iconodule Thread: In Defence of Icons Anonymous 05/10/2022 (Tue) 18:36:00 No.10837 [Reply] [Last]
Since we have vile Muslims and prots who attack our Holy Icons. I decided to make a thread dedicated to posting icons and defending Iconography. Icons means image. Images can be words (spoken or written), symbols, parables, drawings, etc.. The bible is iconographic. It images biblical persons and events through written words or spoken recitations. Biblical verses can also be depicted in drawings/icons (pic: Gergesene demoniacs; Pharisee and Publican). The Bible is clear against the worship of images while being in support of images. All bible verses that call out images, are in the context of the image being worshiped or replacing God (i.e. someone believing the wood and ink created them and can save them) -Biblical events symbolize/image other things The incarnated Son of God is an image/icon of the Divine. >Colossians 1:15: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. >John 12:45: "And whoever sees me sees him who sent me." The old covenent is an image of the new covenent >Matthew 5:17: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. " Messianic prophecies through images (many examples but I will give one, joseph is an image of Christ) >Joseph was rejected by his family, was put in the earth, was accepted by gentiles, was exalted among gentiles, saved the entire world during the famine >Christ was rejected by Israelites, was accepted by gentiles, was put in the earth, was exalted, saved humanity by destroying death -Man made material images in place of worship Cherubim icons in place of worship >Exodus 26:1: “Moreover, you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen and blue and purple and scarlet yarns; you shall make them with cherubim skillfully worked into them."

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>>14456 I only pray to God. Are you calling God a demon?
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>>14462 >implying you only pray to God
>>14494 I've never prayed the rosary in my life. There you go lying again. Lying is a sin anon.
>>14532 You're a bad Catholic then, or a deceiver and a scandalizer. Begone into purgatory with you
>>14635 >-t. Satanist

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imitatio cristi vs my own life plans Anonymous 07/23/2022 (Sat) 10:07:30 No.14554 [Reply]
Im a catholic reading the imitatio cristi. Its making me feel bad/guilt for my plans of wanting to start motocross and other extreme sports, or even when I deeply study cosmology and maths,since this little book denunces all worldly learning and searches for earthly wisdom. how do I proceed? do I quit my love of nature-travel and adrenaline activities? do I stop reading complex treatesis on pyshics?
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>>14615 ayy lel
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>>14617 Catholicism dies without censorship.
>>14617 im not going ban/delete things just because you dont like it. Learn to get along.
>>14623 >Learn to get along. >>14624 >fuck off snow nigger
>>14626 i guess that justifies people spamming the board with D&C 24 fucking 7 then.

Is Philosophy demonic? Anonymous 07/23/2022 (Sat) 18:38:27 No.14587 [Reply]
What does /christian/ think of non-christian philosophy, like those of socrates, plato and aristotle or those of marx and weber, Is it useful or is it demonic distraction.
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>>14589 not to mention islamic and jewish philosophy and theology were greatly inspired by aristotle and platonic thought, literally demonic.
>>14587 most of its gay so i try to ignore it. Occasionally youll come across something interesting tho.
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>>14592 If any influence whatsoever from Plato or Aristotle makes one demonic, the vast majority of Christian thought for over two millennia is thoroughly demonic. Toss the stoic philosophers in there too, and you have to throw out the Gospel of John for its demonic qualities. If this sounds absurd and blasphemous, that's because yes, it is. Saying that certain fundamental truths about reality are demonic because non-Christians articulated them is on par with saying we shouldn't use any colour a non-Christian previously named. >but St. Paul warned us about philosophy He did warn lest any man spoil us with philosophy, with the traditions of men and not after Christ, but he was also classically educated and often referenced Greek philosophers and poets in his writings. Was St. Paul a hypocrite? Or perhaps he was discerning and understood context, which both of which quotation miners seem to lack. Regardless, holy scripture is not a collection of verses we jumble together to support arguments, but a cohesive, complete work of divine literature which should be read as such.
>>14601 >the vast majority of Christian thought for over two millennia is thoroughly demonic. >throw out the Gospel of John for its demonic qualities. Unironically this.
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Praying the Psalms Anonymous 05/19/2022 (Thu) 20:55:49 No.11364 [Reply]
What do you guys make of using the Psalms as a prayer book? I'm an Orthodox Christian and just recently purchased a pocket sized Psalter (pic related, it's the one I bought from Jordanville), and decided to incorporate the Psalms into my daily prayer life. Do any of you pray the Psalms? Have you considered it? Do you use the Septuagint or Masoretic Texts as the basis for your Psalter?
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>>11689 It's a true delight to read, isn't it? It may be the most beautiful writing ever put to the English tongue. I feel sorry for any ESL-kun who can't appreciate it. If you follow the BCP properly, you are supposed to get through the entire psalter every month but there are certain psalms that are read more frequently. Here's a comparison of Psalm 51. 50 for you >Coverdale/Great Bible/BCP Have mercy upon me, O God, after thy great goodness : according to the multitude of thy mercies do away mine offences. Wash me throughly from my wickedness : and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my faults : and my sin is ever before me. Against thee only have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight : that thou mightest be justified in thy saying, and clear when thou art judged. Behold, I was shapen in wickedness : and in sin hath my mother conceived me. But lo, thou requirest truth in the inward parts: and shalt make me to understand wisdom secretly. Thou shalt purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean : thou shalt wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Thou shalt make me hear of joy and gladness : that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice. Turn thy face from my sins : and put out all my misdeeds. Make me a clean heart, O God : and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence : and take not thy holy Spirit from me. O give me the comfort of thy help again : and stablish me with thy free Spirit.

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>>11364 No it makes me feel jewish
>>12509 aloha akbar shalom my brudder
The psalter is good reason to learn classical Hebrew. The perfection of the hymns becomes evident syllable by syllable. Surely, the Hebrew language does NOT belong to the Talmudic 'Israelites' of today any more than it belongs to the followers of the Messiah.
>>12509 this.

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satanic global conspiracy in ancient times Anonymous 06/30/2022 (Thu) 00:48:44 No.13610 [Reply]
Tell me about the satanic global conspiracy, specifically in ancient times before Christ. How can we prove that non-christian ancient religions were satanic (besides them not being Christian)? I was talking to ta pastor who said that God allowed angels (that God called Gods peculiarly) to rule the nations, and Satan deceived those angles, when Jesus came he took the rule of those angels.
>>13610 well we cant prove anything definitively ofc because we dont have access to the resources needed to do such a thing but from what research i have done i can say quite confidently that satan worship was widespread in ancient times especially during the times of Babel. in fact i have an entire thread dedicated to it errors and all: https://anon.cafe/christian/res/7790.html tl;dr tho (atleast from what i have gathered and hypothesized) is that all the other demons died either during or before the flood and satan was the only one left (probably due to his supernatural ability which the other demons didnt have, as evidenced by various verses in the Bible). After the flood satan yet again tried convincing humanity to follow him, he somewhat succeeded and began convincing some people to worship him. Satan wanting to take over the world and corrupt the beings within it likely tried to bring the demons back, my guess is that he experimented by having demons posses animals (like goats etc) and having them fornicate with human women, experimenting along the way. goddesses like Ishtar and god's like tammuz would become deified personifications of these "rituals" which were later replicated via ritual prostitution and beastiality (depending on the culture) Interesting enough tammuz is supposedly related to enki which to my understanding is basically the devil who had a kingdom on earth at Babel. Over time alot of the traditions got spread out, re-interpreted etc. From there things kinda become a dead end atleast for me since i largely lost interest but an interesting place to pick up from would be greek and asian mythology since the greeks had prometheus who seems to mimick satan and many of the asians (particularly the chinese) seem to reference things like creation and God in elements of their old language and religion.
I feel that the LORD tried to reveal Himself and offer His friendship to several peoples, who began migrating from Mesopotamia, from Africa, from Europe, Canaan and the Altay. As those people tended to accept the LORD's majesty (i.e. developing a monolatristic fervour), the Spirit of the LORD drove them to the Levant, fleeing from idolatrous, polytheistic members of their native communities. When the revelation is concretised in the Levant, through the work of the Patriarchs, Hell began to target the people of the LORD by seducing their neighbours into idolatry and other abominations. When you read about Philistine or Moabite religions, for example, it becomes quite obvious that their gods were, really, demonic agents, bent on destroying the People of the LORD.
I also don't suppose you know any good books on ancient satanism?
>>13614 this is all just theory btw, so if youre wise you wont take it all too seriously
>>13610 >How can we prove that non-christian ancient religions were satanic (besides them not being Christian)? I was talking to ta pastor who said that God allowed angels (that God called Gods peculiarly) to rule the nations >(that God called Gods peculiarly) to rule the nations Bne elohim? jew much?

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fear of eternity Anonymous 06/29/2022 (Wed) 04:41:49 No.13533 [Reply]
subject says it all, since i was a kid (born and raised catholic) i've had a fear of the very essence of eternity. both with god and seperated, i understand that i shouldn't fear it but i do, I've asked for priests advice during confessions, I've fasted, I've tried to pray as much as i can and I just feel like its all in vain (even though i know it not). I've never stopped going to mass weekly (I try to make latin mass as often as possible too) please help me frens this has been crippling my life for as long as i can remember, I'm hyperventilating just typing this and its always in the back of my head giving me a sense of dread if i'm not actively freaking out about it
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>>13562 i dont want to bitch about it, i just cant calm myself down about it >>13548 it never ends not that ending would be any better
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How does the Hilbert Hotel make you feel? https://youtube.com/watch?v=OxGsU8oIWjY
>>13562 >Unless you go to hell There is no afterlife if you go to hell, only a waiting period until you get obliterated from existence.
>>13602 Why don't you believe what the bible says?
>>13542 >>13544 Judeo-Islamic theology

The Good /christian/ Poorfag's Cookbook Anonymous 02/01/2022 (Tue) 10:44:22 No.3524 [Reply] [Last]
I'm looking at writing a poorfag's cookbook because I sincerely believe sharing good food is a route to sharing beliefs and the world is going to need to learn to eat cheaper and better at the same time. If anon has recipes he would like to submit I will include them. Some sections I'm thinking for the book: >Section on common food preparation and storage tools to have on-hand >Section on oils/fats and which ones are cheap or worth avoiding >Section on affordable teas, tisanes, and drinkable infusions (and why you should buy loose leaf in bulk) >Section on ethical meat consumption to reduce costs and be closer to god Not no meat consumption but ethical meat consumption. >Section on what to do with tablescraps and what foods can be eaten to avoid waste (such as beet stalks or radish greens) >Maybe a subsection on gardening in limited space >Section on why foreign foods should not be discounted when working on a budget >Cookbook section on stews and soups >Cookbook section on baking >Cookbook section on bread specifically since breadmaking is an important skill >Cookbook section on stir-fry and other one-pot dishes that aren't soup >Cookbook section on no-cooking-required or minimal-cooking-required dishes >Cookbook section on brewing beer, winemaking, and vinegar-making >Cookbook section on preserved goods (pickling, salting, canning, chemical sealing, heat drying, and freeze drying)

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A homemade recipe of mine consists on the following: >Cook some pasta like spaghetti >Chop half an onion and 3 cloves of garlic >Fry the onion and the garlic in a frying pan and add crushed tomatoes and tomato sauce to it >Add canned tuna (preferably conserved in oil which can add extra flavoring and can be saved for other recipes >Stir everything and season it with ginger and black pepper
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Swedish Meatballs: These are filling and good for you, but aren't really fasting-approved since they are a heavy dish. What you need: >Ground Meat if making your own meatballs (having a butcher grind up a cut of meat can be cheaper) >Else store-bought meatballs (bulk food stores sell these in the frozen section super cheap but cut with soy flour) >Eggs (if binding your own meat) >Oil (suggest olive, avocado, or coconut) >Butter >Flour (better to "toast" it if you have the time) >Allspice and Nutmeg >Garlic or Garlic Powder >Salt and Pepper >Onion or if you hate onion, use powdered/granulated onion >Beef broth (can be made from roasting and then boiling bone-heavy cuts like cow hooves/legs/tails for several hours, or use bouillon when in a hurry) >Heavy cream >Worcestershire sauce or fish sauce + red wine vinegar

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I work a very long, difficult, and sweaty job. Factory work. Much cardio is involved. How do I fast while also not depriving myself of the nutrition and energy I need?
>>11119 You could fast on weekends, or take a vacation if you need more time. If you really need it, you could probably ask your boss about a month off for religious reasons, depending on the job and workload they might be okay with it
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Anonymous 07/23/2022 (Sat) 08:08:27 No.14552 [Reply]
There are numerous blessed scriptures which God was pleased to give us which preach His gospel by which we have peace with Him through our Lord Jesus Christ. But one in particular is very under appreciated by the Church at large, and has always been such a blessing to me, though those who are enemies of the gospel seem to be largely ignorant of it as the Church is largely ignorant of it and do not preach it to the heretics as they should. So to you Romanists and you Greeks and all others who seek the righteousness of works, I dedicate this to you, I exegete Romans 7:1-13 for you so that you might come to knowledge of the truth which is the fundament of the only true gospel, that justification before God is by faith alone, and in seeing the truth might abandon your heresies and hope only in Jesus Christ. We implore you, be reconciled to God. We must begin by recognizing the place of Romans 7 in the wider Epistle. The passage begins off the heels of chapter 6 and the encouragement that the grace of God should not be made an excuse for sin but the basis of righteousness. Whilst Paul certainly does still teach us at this point that our justification is by faith alone, this is not his particular purpose. For Paul, that doctrine was already firmly established in chapters 3 and 4, 5 was laying the foundation for 6-8 which is therefore the second act of the grand exposition of the gospel that is this megapassage. Whereas the gospel was established in the first act, we now deal with its procession. To Paul this gospel is not merely the beginning of the faith but the foundation of the whole Christian life, there is never a moment when the Christian is not being saved by Jesus, everything is built on that ground. >Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Paul herein declares his meaning, "the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives". Therefore the objection that this is not about an individual's status in the law is invalid because Paul makes his meaning explicit. The example of marriage is given not to define the point but to illustrate it; it is a "law" which is based on the conduct of two individuals, so consequently as Paul knows it will be conceded by all the woman is free from the law when her husband dies, because this law being founded on the behavior of two is lifted when just one of them dies. >Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Verse 4 and somewhat the passage as a whole is a direct parallel to Galatians 2:20. The idea of a double jeopardy is here invoked, namely that you are already dead to the law, so having been recorded in the ledger as executed you no longer exist in the eyes of the law, you no longer come under its judgement. "You have died to the law through the body of Christ" that is you were put to death (according to the command of the law which you broke by your unrighteousness) in the person of Jesus Christ, as he will go on to declare "Christ Jesus is the one who died". Hence, having died for your sins upon Calvary's tree, you will not do so again. It is impossible for the Christian to be sent to hell for his sins because Jesus already suffered hell upon the cross for them, so there is now no condemnation, but absolutely all of the believer's sins have been completely forgiven, past, present and future. He says "so that you may belong to another", meaning that while you previously belonged to the law by the dominion it held over you you were freed so that you would instead belong to Christ, whose propitiation is so perfect that it absolutely purchases the believer to be His forever, you are His and He will not let you go, just as you will never again belong to the law you will never again not belong to Jesus; the Lord has declared it and will not change His mind. >What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. "For apart from the law, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died" he here speaks of the hopelessness of the Jewish religion which demands righteousness through the keeping of the law. When he asserts that the law causes his sin to increase he means the response of the sinful nature of man, which looks at the holy thing God has commanded and says "I will do otherwise". We must note how this demonstrates them to be in error who interpret his statement elsewhere that the law was our tutor but has been made obsolete in Christ as referring to the Church, this parallel teaching makes clear that it is in the experience of the individual believer that it is so. "I was once alive apart from the law" meaning that he was blissfully unaware of the reality of his position and of the law which condemns his wickedness. Sin was dead, that is, dormant, and subsequently he was alive meaning that he enjoyed life and was at peace with himself, but; "when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died". Here is the proof that these events occur in the experience of the individual Christian, because Paul did not live before Moses; "the commandment came" as in he came to know the commandment. "Sin came alive", that which had been dormant and lazy sprung into action, seeing that which it by nature despised. "And I died", Paul also saw that which it despised, and knew that he was a failure who stood condemned. He does not mean that he had been spiritually alive and now became dead, he has already established at length that both he and all who are in the flesh were already quite dead. Instead he describes the depths of despair that comes from sincerely seeking the righteousness which is by works, for any man who is the least bit honest with himself sees his own abject failure to satisfy the demands of the law, and knows the word is about him which says "Cursed is every man who does not keep every word in the book of the law by doing them". I know this too well myself as one who was in the Romanist religion, and while in my godless life beforehand I was happy and at peace with myself, the commandment came, and I died. To this day I distinctly recall when I recognized I would never be as righteous as I had to be to be saved and resigned myself to hell. Praise Jesus that He opened my eyes and led me to the knowledge of the truth so that I would be free from the law and enslaved to Him. He continues "The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me", this is a reference to "The one who does them shall live by them", but it became death to him because he was not the one who does them. The righteousness of our works can only be death to us because we can never be the one who does them. Paul thus concludes this segment by declaring the proper nature of the law is not to bring righteousness through obedience but "in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure". When it was promised that "The one who does them shall live by them" it was never intended that anyone would actually satisfy that condition (save one), its purpose was to demonstrate the impossibility of doing so, to absolutely crush your soul and fill you with despair so that you would see no other hope than the work of Jesus Christ alone, so that the righteous would not live "by them" but by faith alone.

Prots made a big poopies! Anonymous 07/22/2022 (Fri) 23:13:39 No.14517 [Reply]
Here we see photographic evidence that protestants indeed worship a block of stone. As a matter of fact, the protestants have soldiers guarding their false god 24 hours a day. Biblical scholars have determined that this is an ancient babylonian tradition which they learned from Satan himself! In one photograph we see the protestants making an offering to their false god while wearing extravagant clothing. The exact significance of this offering or their ridiculous garb has yet to be determined but is most likely passed down from their ancient pagan ancestors who used wreaths just like the one in the picture for numerous rituals dedicated to beelzebub. Some biblical scholars suggest that this block actually represents a 'tomb' for soldiers who were killed in combat but whose bodies were not recovered and if this is true, worship of 'the block god' is not only idolatry but also necromancy.
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>>14517 kek'd ngl

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