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The Eastern Orthodox New Testament Anonymous 01/12/2022 (Wed) 18:13:06 No.2813 [Reply]
Come all ye faithful and read the good news of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, as translated by learned scholars in the Eastern Orthodox tradition. The Old Testament was never completed, and the project has since gone defunct, but lest that what was finished in this noble effort be lost to time and obscurity, and for the ecumenical interest, I am sharing it here. This is the pre-print which was available as of late 2010, and not the final published version, which can be found digitally or in print at bookstores online.
>>2813 Well huh. Antiochian Ortho here, will have to give this a gander. How different is the translation from the Orthodox Study Bible?
>>2818 They gave a summary of their differences in approach on the now defunct website. They see the two as complementary: >Orthodox Christians, both lay and clergy, may wonder how the EOB (Eastern/ Greek Orthodox Bible) compares with the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible), and indeed if there is competition or complementarity between the two. >It is important to understand that the main purpose of the EOB is different than that of the OSB. >The Orthodox Study Bible (New Testament and New Testament part of the Complete Edition) is not an Orthodox translation of the ecclesiastical Greek Orthodox text - it is a special edition of the New King James translation (copyright control by Thomas Nelson) designed to help "find Orthodox Christianity in the pages of the New Testament." It is especially helpful as an introductory tools to introduce other Christians, especially Protestants, to Orthodoxy. Hence, the OSB NT contains many explanatory and interpretive footnotes, although some of them are possibly problematic. >The EOB documents a few instances where sound Eastern Orthodox scholarship would not necessary agree with the OSB footnotes, as in Acts and Revelation. >Moreover, it is presented to the English-speaking Orthodox community as an encouragement to study the Greek language and to produce a common New Testament text for Eastern Orthodoxy in North America. >The scholarly bent of the EOB is evident in the articles included in the Introduction and Appendices, which cover fewer topics but with a more in-depth approach. >the EOB and OSB are truly complementary editions of the Holy Scriptures for Orthodox Christians who are encouraged to use and promote both and to participate in the ongoing improvement process of the EOB. https://web.archive.org/web/20160205164045mp_/http://www.orthodox-church.info/eob/osb.asp It seems to have fallen into obscurity as a result of the OT not coming to fruition, although the NT was finalized and published. I've yet to see an equivalent translation of the Septuagint between the old Brenton version (and multiple revisions of it), the NETS (which is a revision of the NRSV), and the one in the OSB. I haven't seen the Lexham English Septuagint but if the Lexham English Bible is anything to go by their translation department is comprised of modernist Protestant scholars.
>>2819 I see. What happened to make it collapse?
>>2822 The editor moved on to working on a catechism that hasn't been finished since 2009, apparently: http://forums.orthodoxchristianity.net/threads/the-eastern-orthodox-bible.75116/post-1551778
>>2823 Sounds like he bit off more than he could chew. What's one of the more interesting translations you've seen in there?

Christianity Proofs thread Anonymous 03/09/2021 (Tue) 22:32:22 No.465 [Reply] [Last]
this thread is for various proofs of the truth of christianity and evidence which supports the bible since i lost my old folder which contained alot of stuff this could include stuff like miracles, philosiphical proofs or historic evidence
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>>2635 Essentially, yes. Christ mythicists would like to think that this totally discredits any usage of Josephus as extra-biblical evidence for Christ, but it doesn't obviously.
Anyone got proofs about the Holy Fire? What about the Incorrupt?
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>>2635 Josephus talked about James the brother of Jesus. I recently put together some sources to prove this, see the attached images.
>>2695 Explain?
>>2727 One is the sacred fire which manifests on Pascha in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. The other is the manifestation of abnormally preserved, even fragrant bodies of pious elders and Saints in the Christian faith. Have you never heard of either phenomenon?

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How can I find a racist church? Anonymous 12/11/2021 (Sat) 17:16:28 No.2018 [Reply] [Last]
I just can't go to a place and hear the father doing the I am not racist sermon. Or even the liberals are the real racists sermon. It makes me pissed. I want nothing to do with cultural marxism. I want to go to a church where there's truth. Even if in secret. And I know for sure that the races aren't equal.
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>>2700 Allah is literally Arabic for "God," though (Arab Christians still call Him that). Also, the Levant was green before the havoc brought by the Arabs and then the Mongols. To call the various peoples of that place "all the same" is the dullest and most uninspired brand of laziness. >>2701 Unless you bother to listen, you will remain ignorant and without understanding. Who do you listen to, anyway? What is hatred?
>>2018 racism isn't a real term I believe. It's made up >I want to go to a church where there's truth. Go to one that isn't Novus Ordo then? Or protestant
>>2701 I reported your post for hate speech.
>>2724 Racism is real, but the term has been co-opted and overblown by leftists, which ironically enough for them, is actually creating more racists. And this is what is to be expected given the narratives being peddled by the media and academia.
>>2747 America is a land obsessed with race in one way, the other, or both at once.

2D masturbation in Orthodoxy Anonymous 01/07/2022 (Fri) 04:22:27 No.2596 [Reply]
Hey there, I'm an /a/non, remembered you from the /christmas/ crossover and I need help. This is my first time here. I've been seriously looking into converting to Orthodox Christianity. I've been learning the saints, practices, and have even begun crossing myself at times and praying the Jesus Prayer. Was going to ask a priest about joining the Church this weekend. But then it hit me. I remember from my youth that masturbation is considered a sin, isn't it? It didn't cross my mind before because it's a part of my life and a big part of otaku culture, looking at 2D lewds. I've been searching the internet about this topic and I'd like to ask a priest about it, but I'm not sure he'd understand. The only place I know of that might is you guys. I don't look at traditional porn, so I'm not objectifying any person, and I never felt any bit of guilt about what I'm doing. Otaku culture cultivates sharing openly your fetishes, and it's a bonding thing among us. "I like girls with ponytails, I like short hair, childhood friends, vanilla love stories, etc." It's always seemed real pure to me, especially the touching love stories in doujin. It makes me feel like maybe I might have such a marital relationship in the future, as unlikely as it may be. I am against non-marital sex, personally, even without religion. I just don't understand what I'm doing wrong, or if I am. It can be a big nonstarter for me and a lot of people. I don't even think I'll ever be married either. If I am, it'll be providence and I don't mind giving up on masturbation as long as I can explore sexual activities with her. Is Orthodoxy against anything but missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation? I can't find a definitive answer. Sometimes I can get into harder stuff, but I feel guilty for those and naturally scale it back at those times. But mostly it's a cultural thing and is a warm-hearted and liberating feeling for bonding with myself. I've been praying about it, and thought to come here. Please help me, I'm confused about the Orthodox position on these things. And another thing. What is the Orthodox position on fantasies, not sexual fantasies, but fantasies about being in that wonderful 2D world where people are so nice, or being in a SF story or witnessing giant monsters fight? Isn't that just the same kind of inward passion as masturbating to a cute girl's love story?
>>2596 Welcome home, weeaboo. Talk to the priest. The embarassment and shame here serves the same role as confession: don't do it. When you keep track of your every sin and have to tell a man you respect, the shame of disappointing him is an echo of the shame we should feel before God. Of course, it is painful, and it should be. Being ashamed of your sins, hating them, is on the road to absolution. If you will forgive my presumption...it is not that you think that the priest will not understand, but that you think he will give you the answer that you don't want to hear. It's a very modern interpretation that pornography is bad because it objectifies women. The creation of pornography is evil because it incites lust and was created with that intent. The consumption of pornography is evil because it incites lust and was consumed with that intent. Note that you needn't be looking at pornography to sin; if you look at office ladies or animals with that same intent and result, you are in sin. To my knowledge, Orthodoxy does not follow the meme of consensual sex in the missionary position for the purpose of procreation, you sick fuck. Hopefully an orthanon can answer that. My take, however, is that yes: sex is the conjunction of two metaphysical entities, not just two physical ones. This is why it is only licit in marriage, where the two are already one and remain so after the conjugal act. The purpose of sex is the creation of offspring, with motherhood and fatherhood being two of the highest spiritual duties in the cosmos, and children being the true union of the two - products of the metaphysical family, not just the two individuals. Without children, it is merely seeking dopamine highs for no other reason than hedonism. You could as well smoke cigarettes or eat sugar. That is not the appropriate use for such a mystical, transcendent, beautiful act. Fantasies of a wholesome sort are good. Again, the intent of the consumption matters. Watching Guts kill demons is good for you if it inspires you to heroism. If it inspires you to bloodily dismember people you don't like, then it is bad. If Sket Dance makes you look more fondly on people, then it's good. If it makes you angry at high-schoolers, then it's still good because high-schoolers are awful bad. Passion is not a bad thing in itself. Christ had passion. John the Baptist had passion. El Cid and Don John of Austria were passionate. So were the Pharisees, Lenin, John Madden, and Richard Stallman. Passion is merely intensity. Passion for good things is good. Passion for bad things is bad. Passion for sportball and software are stupid fine, I guess. If you have a firm and clear moral compass, then you will be able to separate the good from the bad. It is when you take your conception of goodness from your consumed media that it becomes unwholesome and best avoided. Go to the priest, my friend. He should be able to give you more personal and educated insight than myself, so long as he isn't a degenerate.

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50 sources/legends the qur'an uses Anonymous 08/16/2021 (Mon) 03:50:54 No.1319 [Reply]
It's not just plagiarism, some times it's straight up theft.
Here's a good source on Islam from an Orthodox perspective: https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/
Remember those parts about Muhammad denying that he was possessed? Funny choice of malady to deny.
>>1319 what website is this from?

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Anonymous 01/05/2022 (Wed) 22:07:51 No.2530 [Reply]
Serious question /issue discussion here,folks:Is it ok for a pious christian man to use (youtube subliminals)? you May have heard of them,probably. my question isnt wether they work or not,but if its ok to use them assuming they,indeed,work.
>>2530 I’d be wary of some random youtuber beaming subliminal messages into my head, personally.
Supposedly your sub conscious influences your conscious behavior, so broadcasting messages over and over into your head is compromising your thinking process.

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Jim Shaw's The Deadly Deception Anonymous 01/06/2022 (Thu) 02:34:39 No.2543 [Reply]
So apparently Jim Shaw doesn't have any records that he was a 33 degree freemason. Does anyone have anymore information on this? https://www.travelingtemplar.com/2019/08/anti-mason-jim-shaw.html >He also claims to have been invited and coronated a 33° on October 25, 1966. The issue with his claim is that within the Supreme Council of the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States of America, one must be a 32° for 46-months before he is eligible for the KCCH, and you must be a KCCH for another 46-months before he is eligible for invitation to the 33°. On top of those minimum time limits, you must be 35-years of age. So, it is entirely impossible that Shaw, by these standards, to have been 33° when he resigned and demitted from Freemasonry entirely; he was still 37-months away from eligibility for an invitation to the 33°; well after he resigned from Freemasonry. It is also important to note that with his claims he never provides any documentation to support this argument. The only evidence was that he was a 32° KCCH. Anti-Masons claim that this lack of extant records is due to the fact that he burned everything else, but the KCCH investment (How convenient). I would also like to note that the Supreme Councils list all names of those elected to honors (KCCH, 33, and Grand Cross) in their annual "Transactions of the Supreme Council", none of which list Jim Shaw as a 33°. Brothers Arturo de Hoyos and S. Brent Morris, in their book "Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?", did a lot of research and I recommend that every Freemason read this book. They point out that the supposed expose of the 33° ceremonies is plagiarized from "the 'Cerneau' 33° ritual in Jonathan Blanchard's Scotch Rite Masonry Illustrated" that was published in 1887. Much of his book is plagiarized from other anti-Masons such as Samuel Prichard and William Morgan. >When these glaring discrepancies came to light, Tom McKenney, the co-author, back-peddled and blamed the publishers for exaggerating Shaw's Masonic career and yet it wasn't the publisher who used those false credentials to fabricate the story of Shaw being coronated and defaming the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite. Some anti-Masons claim that Freemasons altered records to discredit Jim Shaw. Such a conspiracy would require the Grand Lodge of Florida recalling and altering every copy of its Proceedings that it sends out within its own jurisdiction as well as numerous copies that go to other Grand Lodges and Masonic bodies. This would have to have been done not just one year's proceedings either, but every year that Shaw was supposedly Senior Deacon, Junior Warden, Senior Warden, and then Worshipful Master. Then Allapattah Lodge would have to recalled and altered their Lodge minutes, officer photos, monthly bulletins, annual reports, Lodge awards, and their sign-in rosters for their Lodge that would have listed Shaw as a Worshipful Master. Then the Valley of Miami, the Orient of Florida, and the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, would also have had to recall and alter bulletins, minutes, reunion programs, pictures, and numerous other documents that would have listed Shaw as a 33°.
But at the same time, it's hard to trust Freemason since they're just like satanists.

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The Armoury of the Kingdom of Heaven Anonymous 01/04/2022 (Tue) 11:07:56 No.2418 [Reply]
>In which we discuss the weapons we have available in this spiritual war After the lively discussions at /Christmas/, I thought it wise to talk about our weapons - that is prayer - in the fight against the spiritual powers of the world and against the old man. In particular I would like to focus the discussion on which situations we have found these weapons to be useful. Obviously the Lord's prayer is an indispensable part of any Christian's equipment. It is the standard issue sword. It is not, however, a shallow prayer. I have often been surprised at how different parts of the prayer stand out depending on what is going on in my life. I think it perfectly encapsulates the heart of the Christian's relationship towards God and thus serves as a signpost. It has certainly helped me in this. God is our Father and we should revere him and his Holy Name. We are to anxiously anticipate His kingdom breaking through at every point (I like to think of the world as bursting at the seams while Heaven pours through). We are also to subordinate our will to His. We should be thankful to God for the things we have. We should forgive others when they wrong us so that we may be forgiven by God. And we should understand that God is doing the heavy lifting in our salvation and not proudly believe that we can endure temptation and escape evil under our own power. When I was unsure if I actually believed or not, someone suggested to me to use the prayer of the mute boy's father: >Lord I believe; help my unbelief And He did. I had to pray it many times a day for months but He did. If anyone else wants to believe but is unsure of whether they actually do, get yourself some prayer beads/knotted rope/pile of rocks and pray this once per bead per day. I used a rosary because that's what I had available. One of the best things I did was get a Book of Common Prayer. I can highly recommend adopting a structured daily prayer: especially if you're like me and struggle with "spontaneous" prayer. It has a number of good prayers in it like the magnificat and it should rotate you around the psalms and help you remember at least a little bit of them. Psalm 37 (Fret not thyself because of the ungodly) has been particularly helpful in counteracting the black pill. I would talk about the rosary but I think that needs a longer treatment than what I can give it right now. Has anyone else a particular prayer or group of prayers that they use a lot or that stands out to them? How have you notice their effectiveness in your life?
The Jesus Prayer is definitely always one to point out: Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. So simple, but very powerful. I have done this one on a prayer rope occasionally. I try not to go wild with it though, I'm worried I will make it a vain repetition if I don't actually internalize the words I am repeating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxiLd5nBTbY >Lord I believe; help my unbelief I love this one too. The words can be very relatable. Like yourself, I had never really latched onto this until someone pointed it out to me. Now I love that verse.
>>2418 >hurdur imma LARPING redditor faggot tourist that needs a permaban Post the fucking prayer at least faggot.
>>2464 ? What is your major malfunction, anon?
>>2434 There's something about prayers that specifically plead for mercy and/or admit our sinfulness. It is as if a burden is lifted; we don't have to pretend that everything is OK in our lives. This pretense is a greater burden I think than the sin itself is sometimes. They give us an understanding of our great need for help. More examples of this: Kyrie eleison. Kyrie eleison. Kyrie eleison. Christe eleison. Christe eleison. Christe eleison. Kyrie eleison. Kyrie eleison. Kyrie eleison. ... Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Have mercy upon me O God in your enduring goodness; according to the fullness of your compassion, blot out my offenses.
>>2434 After the the Jesus Prayer I like a quote from Mathews when They're on the boat iirc. >Lord save me. Of truth, Thou art the Son of God.

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Defeating sexual desires Anonymous 11/04/2021 (Thu) 19:15:55 No.1789 [Reply]
Hello anons. My heart is somewhat heavy as I write this, I do not have anyone that I feel comfortable sharing this with so I am coming here under the cover of anonymity to exchange my thoughts and seek yours on this subject. Given that: Masturbation is a sin Sex outside of marriage is a sin Engaging in prostitution is a sin As a man I have a natural sex drive I would like help and advice on defeating my sexual desires without committing sin. If I abstain from masturbation, I can refrain from engaging in sexuality for around a period of a week with little difficulty. After that initial 1 week period, it starts to encompass my whole life. I have an erection when I wake up every morning, and I get more throughout the day, at least one an hour and more if I have to interact with any girl under 30. I pray for help in keeping the sexual thoughts away, but it feels like I'm fighting a losing battle and I will relapse at some point no matter what. The longest I've been able to abstain from anything sexual was when I was an atheist and I lasted around a year. After a period of a few months, paradoxically my whole life was concerned with sex, I was not having orgasms however the only thing I had on my mind every day was "I need to find a girl to have sex with" (which never worked), everything was secondary to that. It culminated with me getting cock-teased by a girl I was exchanging with for around a week, getting fed up when I realized I was just getting taken along for a ride then seeking the services of a prostitute, which broke my abstinence and made me lose my virginity, if that concept even exists for a man. I regret the choices I made. After this chapter in my life, I concluded that the healthiest thing to do was to masturbate once a month to get it out of my system and to be able to live my life without being entranced by sex all the time. Eventually I relapsed and was engaging with porn at least 10 times a week, until I found the faith which helped knock it back down to something more reasonable like 2-4 times a month. However, sin is sin and I would like to be fully rid of it. I know that the simplest answer is to marry a girl, whoever that does not appear to be possible for me (it appears that my fate is to be an incel which I've come to terms with), so it seems like I've come to an impasse. I can't masturbate without committing sin, and I don't have a way to relieve myself of those sexual desires legitimately. However, if I don't relieve myself of it, it quickly starts to take over my life (I had begun to call the action of masturbation "satiating the beast" in my head). I don't know what to do. I remember seeing this anon who castrated himself on old 8chan years ago and thought he had lost his mind then, though now every day I start to understand more and more why he wanted to be rid of his sexual desires. Additional question: Why did God give me (and other men) such a strong sex drive and at the same time put me and a lot of other men (40% of men under 30 reported no sex in the past year in a study around 2018 I believe and that was before the corona lockdowns which must have made that number shoot up even more) in an era where it is extremely difficult to rid yourself of this desire without committing sin?
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>>1789 Read Augustine he was a degenerate in his youth.
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I have struggled with masturbation and porn since I was 14, and it truly felt like it was a losing battle. I would try everything, limiting my porn intake, how often I masturbated, what I would do it to, asking God for strength and forgiveness each week at Church, but none of it worked and the latter only made it feel that much worse. At the end of 2019 I could see that my porn tastes were gradually getting worse, so I started a nofap streak that lasted for over a year, after a while it became fairly easy to control ("I've made it this far so let's keep going"), however I also discovered a darker side of me during that time, I would still watch porn, but not jerk off to it, which only agitated the beast in me and left it scrambling for other outlets of pleasure, including homosexual thoughts, finding a real woman to hook up with (which almost landed me in jail) and edging (which is ultimately what ended the streak, to the same type of porn that I had tried to kick no less). Last year I essentially fell into my old habits, masturbating less often but not really reducing my porn intake. I can now say for certain that my tastes are getting worse and leading into dangerous territory. Even when I close my eyes to pray my brain habitually projects the images in front of me, like some kind of sick joke. As a result, I am now on week 3.5 of nofap and have made actual steps to curb my porn intake. I have completely deleted my porn collection across several drives (including anything in my shitposting folder that would be considered moderately risque) removed all the saved posts on my online porn account and changed the password to something completely random. Whenever I see anything moderatly lewd on other boards, I immediately hide it. I pray each night for forgiveness for anything that may have slipped through during the day, as well as that God may help me find a woman that will (in the end, hopefully) become my wife (for reasons other than sex, obviously). However, my main question is how would I resist temptation in the interim? I have tried, and it is impossible for my brain not to play some porn clip on repeat in my head. It defaults to it when nothing else is happening, and it can be difficult to find something to do when I'm at work or trying to fall asleep. Also, as odd as it sounds, I firmly believe I will be able to abstain from sex even if a girl is sleeping right next to me. I think the same logic that applied to my nofap streak applies as well, in that I've gone this long without sex so I might as well wait until it's right (after marriage). If she came on to me first, I truly believe I'd be able to turn her down. If she gets upset and leaves, oh well, she wasn't the one. If she understands and stays with me, that's a good sign. I had an opportunity last year to sleep with a girl, but I turned it down surprisingly easy by simply focusing on the negative aspects of her and how bad I would've felt afterwards.
>>2471 Reading this may help you: https://easypeasymethod.org/
Masturbation is a natural desire and there is nothing wrong with it. Prostitution is always inevitable, and therefore shoud be allowed but regulated.
>>2487 >Masturbation is a natural desire and there is nothing wrong with it Masturbation is disordered behavior. It destroys lives, especially in the age of the Internet. It’s an unnatural vice that divorces sex from its proper end and place in marriage. It’s egoistic, lustful, and severed from marital love. Matthew 5:27-30 >“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.” Your attempts to excuse prostitution are attempts to excuse fornication and adultery as well. Both things which are heavily condemned in the Bible.

Extraterrestrial Life in the Bible The Being 08/31/2021 (Tue) 19:26:57 No.1343 [Reply]
I am curious about the Biblical view on this subject. Would every intelligent species have their own messiah, or would they need to be saved through Jesus? This assumes they even have souls in the same way as humans at all.
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>>2346 >aliens = demons Yeah I buy it >they fear the name of Christ. makes sense, any example? I tried to look around but I couldn't find anything
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The Church Fathers on Atmospheric Demons St. Basil on various sorts of spirits: > Thus too in the case of the heavenly powers; their substance is, perhaps, an aerial spirit, or an immaterial fire https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3203.htm St. Augustine on the nature of demons: >The nature of demons is such that by virtue of the sense-perception of an aerial body they easily surpass the sense-perception of earthly bodies. In swiftness also, on account of the superior mobility of the same aerial body they prevail without compare not just over the running of any men or beasts you might happen to name, but even the flying of birds. Endowed with these two things (that is, sharpness of sense-perception and swiftness of movement), so far as pertains to an aerial body, they may foretell (or rather, report) things perceived long before, which men marvel at in proportion to the slowness of their earthly sense-perception. The demons have also gained, through the long span through which their life is extended, a far greater experience of events than humans can attain, since their lives are brief. https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Augustine-De-divinatione-daemonum-translation-Gassman-2020.pdf St. John Cassian on atmospheric spirits >But the atmosphere which extends between heaven and earth is ever filled with a thick crowd of spirits, which do not fly about in it quietly or idly, so that most fortunately the divine providence has withdrawn them from human sight. For through fear of their attacks, or horror at the forms, into which they transform and turn themselves at will, men would either be driven out of their wits by an insufferable dread, and faint away, from inability to look on such things with bodily eyes, or else would daily grow worse and worse, and be corrupted by their constant example and by imitating them, and thus there would arise a sort of dangerous familiarity and deadly intercourse between men and the unclean powers of the air, whereas those crimes which are now committed among men, are concealed either by walls and enclosures or by distance and space, or by some shame and confusion: but if they could always look on them with open face, they would be stimulated to a greater pitch of insanity, as there would not be a single moment in which they would see them desist from their wickedness, since no bodily weariness, or occupation in business or care for their daily food (as in our case) forces them sometimes even against their will to desist from the purposes they have begun to carry out. >But when it [the seed of Seth] had been mingled with the evil generation, it drew aside at the suggestion of devils to profane and harmful uses what it had innocently learned, and audaciously taught by it the curious arts of wizards and enchantments and magical superstitions, teaching its posterity to forsake the holy worship of the Divinity and to honour and worship either the elements or fire or the demons of the air. > thus there would arise a sort of dangerous familiarity and deadly intercourse between men and the unclean powers of the air https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/350808.htm

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St. Anthony the Great on spiritual warfare and aerial demons >For we have terrible and crafty foes — the evil spirits— and against them we wrestle, as the Apostle said, "Not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places Ephesians 6:12 ." Great is their number in the air around us , and they are not far from us. Now there are great distinctions among them; and concerning their nature and distinctions much could be said, but such a description is for others of greater powers than we possess. But at this time it is pressing and necessary for us only to know their wiles against ourselves. https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2811.htm
>>2346 Supposedly, Crowley's description of the entity actually had huge almond-shaped black eyes, but they were changed when the sketch was made. It was thought by someone at the time (I don't remember who said it specifically) that the real thing would frighten the people too harshly since they really used to that sort of thing (it was still a few decades before Roswell). I don't know how true that is, though; I've heard it many times, but I don't believe I ever saw a source.
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Somehwat unrelated but while i was making some drafting i found the old northern injuns had the traditional symbol depicting "strong" or unusual strength/confrontational force as a horned figure.

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