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Anonymous 01/20/2022 (Thu) 10:13:34 No.3000 [Reply]
Is Gnosticism on the rise?
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Any fool can just "read the Bible for himself," any atheist, any Talmudic jew. Without the right guide, as ably demonstrated by some of the stranger conversations on our own board, you get repetitions of the great heresies of old. Gnostics, Arians, and Ebionites are arguably the most common "Christians" to be found in the West these days for this reason.
>>3004 >>3003 i wrote this early in the morning so i dont think i was in the right headspace when i wrote it
>>3027 Do you have what you meant in mind now?
>>3028 yeah, basically what i was trying to say was that because of how perverted the church has become, reading and studying and contemplating the Bible by yourself sometimes is a good thing
>>3033 That's better, but you should always try to find men wiser than you to help guide your way. Really, a Christian mostly stuck on his own should be aware of the old heresies and what they did wrong so that he doesn't fall into one of them himself.

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Mark of Beast AntichristHaterFortnitePlayer69 01/11/2022 (Tue) 06:55:11 No.2752 [Reply]
"And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666. " -Revelation 13 BSB ok so lets decode this, the mark will be "on the right hand or on the forehead", well the right hand in middle eastern cultures was the dominant hand because the left hand was used to wipe when you went to the bathroom and the forehead obviously symbolizes your thoughts. So its safe to say that the Mark of the Beast will have something to do with your thoughts and actions, but how exactly can the beast prevent you from buying or selling based off your thoughts and actions? Social Credit System. "Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666." the number 666 is often associated with king Solomon which is backed up by the fact that the Bible then says "for it is the number of a man" Other than his wisdom what was Solomon known for? His many wives (degeneracy) and idolatry. What would this look like in a modern context? Well degeneracy would look the same as it did back then but idolatry would be a bit different, instead of bowing down to or giving sacrifices to idols it would instead be look more like prioritizing worldly things over God and worshipping the beast. So tl;dr

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>>2755 >I thought the beasts were supposed to be kingdoms or governments there are only two beasts to my knowledge, the Antichrist and the False Prophet. > so "getting the mark" would mean worshipping the state in the sense that you turn to the state to solve all your problems and bring about a utopia. thats basically what it means, likelihood is that the Antichrist will come after a time of great suffering in the world and will exploit the crises to gain power, its basically proof that you are weak minded >Has there ever been a previous time where they've tried to isolate you from society if you didn't get something indicating your allegiance to the state? Perhaps under communists? communist countries would be the closest to fit that bill which isnt surprising since the Antichrists world government will likely be some kind of communism that utilizes corporations as a kind of "right arm" of the state >Especially since much of Revelation prophecy was about the Roman Empire and was fulfilled a long time ago. glad im not the only one who noticed that, lots of stuff mentioned in revelation either happened not long after John received the visions or within the last few centuries. >pic rel
>>2756 >communism that utilizes corporations as a kind of "right arm" of the state That's called fascism.
>>2778 It wasn't communism or old republicanism which won the war of ideas, that's for sure.
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Anonymous 11/20/2021 (Sat) 17:08:20 No.1928 [Reply] [Last]
Why were the Corinthians such dicks?
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>>2782 True enough, and Chesterton does note that. However, I cannot be alone in believing that to be the moment when God chose the Romans to be the pagans Christianity would spread under and then conquer.
Does anyone have a good article or journal about the hideous amount of abortion that went on in the Roman Empire and the ancient world as a whole?
>>2735 One needs to differentiate ages of Rome - religion-wise, they started out with laws of Numa, which instituted flour and wine as sacrifice, for example. No giant-scale animal sacrifice, etc. They also, in the earlier days, were careful farmers and businessmen. You even had consuls get called back while literally plowing their cabbage fields, for example. Later Rome was a very, very different place. The degeneracy started creeping in when they got into contact with Carthage, took hold after it was destroyed, and the conquest of Greece really cemented it as the societal standard, since they made the mistake of giving their children Greek teachers.
>>3007 I don't have an article about the abortion and infanticide directly but here is an article about their effects on the fertility rate of the pagan population of the Roman Empire in contrast to the Christian one: https://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/123665/sec_id/123665
>>3016 Good read. The parts about many people back then desiring childlessness are hauntingly familiar. That the Romans had DESIGNATED shitting channels in their streets was unexpectedly funny. Good reminder that as skilled Muh Baste Bromanz were, they had some serious shortcomings.

what is the bible version that is closest to Christ? Anonymous 01/18/2022 (Tue) 18:33:04 No.2966 [Reply]
hello i am new to posting on this board, so i apologize in advance if i screwed something up. anyway i only have this little new testament book i got from a Gideon a year or so back, i heard there were other versions but after looking there is a lot of them and i do not know which one to pick, i can only afford one. can anyone please tell me what is the bible version that's the most accurate representation of Christian belief? i was baptized Orthodox but I haven't really went into religion until last year and want to be more involved
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OP here, thank you both for the help! i'll be sure to check those versions out, also sorry i couldn't respond earlier the site seemed to have been down temporarily. >>2968 unfortunately there are no copyright or any date-related markings on this new testament, which is a bit odd. to add a bit more context it's a small green booklet i got at my university i dont know if that will help. i also looked at the Eastern Orthodox New Testament you recommended and although i would really like to read it now i'd prefer to find a physical book version if i could, reading on a monitor is incredibly difficult for me, is there any place i could possibly buy a physical hardcopy of it? >>2969 i agree spending money when you could just get it for free is good, but i still would like to have a physical book to have on me. personally i do not like to depend too much on digital devices for most services (apart from Google Maps because i honestly can't find my way around without it lol)
>>2981 >is there any place i could possibly buy a physical hardcopy of it? Yes it can be ordered at multiple places online in paperback, hardcover, and pocket versions: https://www.amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X https://www.amazon.com/Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible-Testament/dp/B005D2WV8Y https://www.newromepress.com/products/portable-new-testament-eob https://legacyicons.com/the-holy-gospel/ Here are two reviews of the physical editions: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Vx6WTuAvBWw https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=uQ5inQ0RhmM
>>2981 >but i still would like to have a physical book to have on me. if you have a printer or live near a postal store you could print it out. it would take a while and youd have to figure out how to add a cover. They might sell copies of the BSB im not sure
>>3001 They do actually: https://berean.bible/
>>2986 Thank you so much! i just have a last question, i've looked through the links and the pocket versions are close to what i need but i don't think i'll be able to carry them without a bag, is there a breast pocket size available? not sure if people make these kind of really compact versions anymore.

Atonement Theology Anonymous 01/11/2022 (Tue) 04:46:12 No.2746 [Reply]
What theory of atonement is right? I’m interested in hearing what you guys have to say about this. This topic honestly drives me crazy, there are so many theories, and Scripture itself seems to support a million different interpretations, and even then I am sometimes confused about why exactly it had to go down the way it did. Off the top of my head: >Recapitulation theory From St. Irenaeus. Christ united the divine and human in one person and recapitulated human life from birth until death in perfect sinlessness, restoring humanity to communion with God through the incarnation, eventually conquering death. Basically He did what Adam couldn’t. >Satisfaction theory From Anselm of Canterbury. Sin offended God’s honor, and sinning against an infinitely holy God warrants infinite punishment. Humanity cannot make restitution, and thus Jesus Christ as God-man comes and pays off our debt with his supererogatory sacrifice on the cross. >Ransom theory Christ ransomed us from slavery to the devil somehow. Sometimes the Church Fathers write that His body was a divine fish-hook or trap that the devil tried to take, and he fell for it, and it somehow liberated us and freed the souls from Hades. >Penal substitutiom theory Sin requires a penalty of punishment, no satisfaction could be offered, Christ took this in our place, and this free gift is received through faith in Christ. To me, I feel like all of these have elements of truth. When humanity fell into sin, there was an infinite gap created between humanity and God that we could not bridge ourselves. The sentence of death was just, and humanity was incapable of satisfying God’s demands for restitution. So the Father out of His mercy and love, sent His only-begotten Son to assume human nature, to recapitulate every stage of life, restoring it to communion with God, completing what Adam failed to do, and then dying on the cross for the purposes of satisfying divine justice in our place, ransoming humanity from the clutches of death and rising on the third day. Christ thereby opened to us the path of divinization / theosis, allowing us by grace to become sons of God and co-heirs with Christ. We were redeemed, reconciled, saved and given a possibility for greater communion than ever before. This is at least my attempt to reconcile what I have seen in Scripture and some of the stuff I mentioned above. Let me know what you guys think or what you hold true.
Ransom theory sounds about right. Christ descended into Hades and brought out all the righteous dead.
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Ravens and Unclean Birds of the Bible/Revelations AntichristHaterFortnitePlayer69 01/18/2022 (Tue) 20:15:33 No.2971 [Reply]
I was reading through Revelations the other day and stumbled upon the verse talking about the unclean birds in Babylon. Out of interest i looked up what birds were considered unclean by the Bible. The OT gave off a pretty long list of birds including eagles, ravens/crows, and even ostriches (???) but this confused me. Because not only are both Eagles and Ravens depicted in the Bible in a positive light but just a few chapters down Revelations says this: Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.” You may not understand what is confusing about this at first so let me explain, Corvids (ravens, crows, etc) are well known throughout cultures to feast upon the deceased on the battlefield, so its assumed that the birds the angels are talking to are Corvids and other scavengers. Furthermore Corvids are also spoken of very positively by God, at one point He uses them to bring food to Elijah, at another point he speaks about providing for their needs. The same applies to Eagles, at one point God even compares His strength to that of an eagles wings. So im kinda confused, my first thought is that birds such as Corvids and Eagles are considered "unclean" because God didnt want the Israelites eating birds that He had compared Himself too/used as servants (bad symbolism and all). But if thats then case then what are the "unclean birds" described in Babylon? And also are these "birds" literal birds or do they symbolize something else? Typically when i think of unclean birds i think of pigeons/vultures the latter of which has a strong symbolic meaning especially nowadays but idk. What are your thoughts?
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>>2971 >But if thats then case then what are the "unclean birds" described in Babylon? And also are these "birds" literal birds or do they symbolize something else? Doesn't the verse just mean that once Babylon is fallen it be so filled with the dead it will become a feeding frenzy for vultures, ravens, crows, wild dogs, rats, and all other vermin of the earth? They are symbolic of death, for instance in Matthew 24:28 >For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. It was and is a dishonor to die without a proper burial. With Jezebel she was torn apart by animals before the people even got to dealing with her.
>>2973 “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a lair for demons and a haunt for every unclean spirit, every unclean bird, and every detestable beast." interesting point, the word "haunt" basically means place to visit so my guess would be that its basically saying "Babylon is so full of death and garbage, so unclean and disgusting that unclean birds (scavengers) and unclean beasts (rats etc) are regularly visiting her to feast and live" that makes alot of sense, thanks for helping clear it up. If i have anymore questions or things to say ill post here again

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The Present World is (Not) Saved Anonymous 01/12/2022 (Wed) 15:06:41 No.2807 [Reply]
1: Those who are not under the covenant of grace are under the covenant of law. 2: The present world is evidently under the dominion of Pharisaic Jewish law. Conclusion: Despite what those that dwell within it might think, the vast majority of the world is Not saved, which is demonstrated in its yoke to the law.
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>>2941 Or so they think.
>>2810 this. Atleast the Pharisees hated gays even if they were hypocrites and shit stains.
>>2941 off topic but i do wonder what the motive for the 'Elites' as we call them is for following satan? i wonder what lies he told them, if he promised them something like eternal life or if he just told them it that obeying him was best for the world
>>2957 Satan probably just promises again what he promised Adam and Eve in the garden, i.e. if they rebel against God they can become ‘gods’ themselves, ruling over the world and reshaping it in their own image according to their will. Immortality and other things are of course naturally included. The classic gnostic twisting of the story of the Garden is almost surely a part too, that Satan was trying to liberate humanity from the tyranny of God. Power, wealth, immortality, godhood—these all drive the elite
>>2957 The elite don't "believe in Satan" iirc, but they believe YHWH and Satan to be collaborators or even one and the same. They worship other deities for personal fortune however.

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Secular media Anonymous 01/17/2022 (Mon) 15:05:39 No.2932 [Reply]
Obviously we should not rely on such things to guide us. But they can sometimes point us in the right direction. Is there any piece of secular media that you find inspiring and even would even recommend to others?
>>2932 Fight Club ofc
>>2932 eh, most media nowadays secular or not is trash, one anon suggested Fight Club. Ive heard good things about it but still its nothing more than a fantasy meant to over simplify the hardships of reality we must face to achieve anything great

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is this true?were there pro-soviet christians? Anonymous 12/30/2021 (Thu) 22:36:44 No.2309 [Reply]
"Starets and martyr Vladimir Lenin. The cult of Lenin as a holy starets is characteristic of the bezpopovcy, the Old Believers who deny the orthodox clergy, who since the 17th centuy were persecuted by Tsarist power. The victory of the Soviet revolution finally ended the reign of the Tsar – and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. This icon was photographed in a church in the Komi Autonomous Republic in the mid-1990s."
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>>2552 >weed Where? When? How?
>>2552 Marxism is literally an inversion of Christianity, imagine believing this nonsense.
>>2576 The religion of envy. Really, though, where would the Prophets acquire cannabis? Why would people fight and voluntarily die for visions no more interesting than those out of Delphi? It doesn't make sense on its face.
>>2552 0/10 post try harder
Does anyone have a good source or three for crimes against Christians done by Lenin's Bolsheviks?

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Anonymous 01/14/2022 (Fri) 15:53:38 No.2864 [Reply]
Reminder to the doctrinal believers on the board: when you're talking to a contemporary heretic, remember that this is usually the level of theological underpinning they have from which they draw their lines of thought.
>>2864 The state of some of these churches (if I dare to call it one) like the one in this video just leave me in utter shock. How do these people get any sort of fulfillment out of these glorified Ted Talks and concerts? How can one read the Gospels or the epistles and think that this is what they had in mind?
Is it any wonder that people get confused?
>>2864 what?

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