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/christian/ Meta thread Anonymous 07/25/2020 (Sat) 09:38:59 No.144 [Reply] [Last]
Hello and welcome all to /christian/, the new church of the cafe. I'll be taking over from the old owner, so if there's anything you want to tell me about the board, go ahead and do it here. In addition, I'm looking for a few mods to maintain the status of the board. If you're interested, please, contact me at churchofanoncafe@airmail.cc to let me know.
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Anonymous 07/25/2021 (Sun) 01:38:46 No.1240 [Reply]
Are there any documents written about Jesus in the time that Jesus was alive?
>>1240 Also is the post in the OP pic true about the top image?
>in the time that Jesus was alive? So, at any time, Eternally, other than the 3-day period between His crucifixion and resurrection? But we get what you mean, friend. I would expect Matthew and Luke probably began making notes during the 3 years, and certainly it's likely the satanic jews as well as Pilate's court made some records.
The board population is pretty small now, back in the day you'd get a load of replies. Have you tried looking into those guys who are supposedly not contemporary?
>>1249 I should do that, i did look into Josephus. It's was just a concern of one anon who said they're not contemporary. >The board population is pretty small now, back in the day you'd get a load of replies. Where did everyone go?
>>1250 >Where did everyone go? Originally we were on the original 8chan. When that kicked the bucked some people migrated to bunker boards like this one while others just left. When 8chan was "brought back" as 8kun some people went to the /christian/ board there for a while, but 8kun has been losing users ever since and now the only board that isn't dead is the Qboomer board.

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Universalism fixes the problem of evil Anonymous 07/30/2021 (Fri) 15:18:03 No.1252 [Reply]
Evil and suffering does not matter if it only serves as a lesson for humanity, therefore it is not a problem at all as everyone will get saved and reconciled with God eventualy. The problem of hell is more important than the problem of evil, and there is no good explanation for why an omnipotent good God would allow anyone to be not saved as he is supposed to be loved and compassionate towards all. Free will argument does not work because the God knows of our fates even before he created humanity, therefore creating people just so that they will be suffering in hell for eternity makes him evil. There is no divine plan that can justify those horrendous means. If you aren't an universalist, you are basically worshipping an evil tyrant and making up excuses for him, when he is clearly the one who bears the responsibility. It is not possible to absolve an omnipotent being of responsibility. The existence of suffering can be justified, the existence of hell cannot.
>>1252 t. David Bentley Hart
>>1252 Just a side question: If you believe good and evil are real objective things, then how exactly do they transcend the creator of all things? If God is not good, then is good and evil not just subjective personal preferences? In which case why should I care if you personally dislike something that God does? This question would probably be better for a moral ontology thread but whatever

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Anonymous 07/17/2021 (Sat) 02:05:42 No.1202 [Reply]
>If something exists, it must have a creator >Our universe exists >Our universe must have a Creator Wait, but doesn't that ALSO imply that the Creator must have a creator, and so forth for him, and so forth for eternity? Pic not related.
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>>1219 I think it's a just random zoomer visiting. but among us is a good game though
That is already assuming the qualities of "nothing", time and that universe began to exist. Seeing as we don't know what actual "nothing" would mean Empty space isn't nothing or how it would act, we assume that nothing can't meta-physically create anything but we actually don't know. It might be that nothing allows things to pop into existence, or that "nothing" can't exist. We also can't really be sure that the universe began to exist, it seems intuitive, but time is a bizarre thing and a quality of space rather than a singular line that we usually think about. Time flows differently at different points in space depending on gravitational pull and speed at which you are traveling. The first mover argument and the Kalam are not good arguments, they are mostly internally consistent, but they operate on a very rigid logic that fails to account the plethora of possibilities that exist. It is quick to deem certain things as absurd when it is simply impossible to know, and our understanding of the concepts it bases its argument on becomes more fuzzy. We have examples of things coming from seemingly next to nothing like quantum fluctuations, but it's really complicated and bizarre. In short, those arguments don't hold watter to be honest.
>>1225 Most people are perspectivists today, not relativists.
>>1254 What's the difference, aren't they just shades of the same color?
>>1255 There's an enormous difference. Relativists deny the very existence of truth as an objective possibility. They say that every single viewpoint is equal and that one can't make value judgements between them. Perspectivists merely claim that a human cannot reach the truth, whether it exists or not, because of his implicit biases and subjective distortions. All facts are subject to interpretation, but that doesn't necessarily mean that every single belief is equal to each other, merely that you cannot be certain of your beliefs 100% and that they might be subject to change or be distorted due to your biases and subjective outlook.

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Thoughts? Anonymous 05/04/2021 (Tue) 13:07:15 No.777 [Reply]
Why are they so afraid?
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>>916 Nobody is a child of God who does not believe in the Lord
>>957 Go read King James
>>958 >For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
>>777 Trips of truth. They are afraid.

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Info thread on local idiot Anonymous 07/23/2021 (Fri) 23:02:37 No.1238 [Reply]
Just letting you know that the guy behind all of these posts and threads >>372 >>1235 >>1204 >>1083 >>1109 is a griefing idiot that's goes on different imageboards to steal people's information and sell whatever he can get our of you. And also just start random shit in general. Don't go to any links he sends you, or to his shitty discord links You will get datamined
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>>1238 lololol I know who that guy is. He's a complete mental basket that spams practically every website. He did the same thing on a relatively small board I frequenly contribute. I'm not surprised to see him here. Dude's nuts >>1239 > It sounds like he is infested with demons. Well, I'd say that (((that guy))) is infested and cursed since birth. But yeah, he's a schizo creep
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While we're on the subject, I'd thought I'd post this here. Discord is currently owned by a company that owned "OpenFeint". The previous company was charged with dozens of lawsuits over privacy violations. You can see the video for it if you need more reference. The guy who made the video is a degenerate, but the video is still good TL;DR: Don't use discord
>>1238 >Griefing What is this minecraft? >Don't go to discord If you have to be told this you need to lurk more.
>>1244 >What is this minecraft? Well he's mentally a 8 year old kid, so you are not in the wrong
He also makes these type of one sentence threads >>1240 and leaves without an answer. Just general random stupidity

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Anonymous 07/03/2021 (Sat) 07:23:00 No.1121 [Reply]
I was born a protestant but I'm now realizing it might be the cucked version of Christianity. Is it worth converting to Catholicism even thought the pope a retard?
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>>1230 Israeli = does not equal = jew
>>1231 Israel is Philistine/Palestine but under the jew's control, so it kinda equals to it in general context despite many inhabitants not being technically jews but people who followed God.
>>1232 Israelis were Greeks, not jews. Israelis are literally extinct at this point.
>>1233 That does to refute my point, there were tons of greeks and there were tons of caucasus nomads and phoenicians
>>1234 what? what are you saying?

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Christian debate server looking for debaters Anonymous 01/25/2021 (Mon) 18:34:41 No.372 [Reply]
Council of Nicaea III Hello, we are looking for strong debaters for and against Christianity. We Debate: • Monotheism • The Resurrection of Jesus Christ • The Validity of the Bible • Sola Scriptura • Unitarianism • Arianism • Other Topics Please join if you consider yourself to be experienced. https://discord.com/invite/w3r3AS2MJr
>>372 please don't spam the board anon
>>372 I'm interested. Thansk for posting.
Jesus raped me

2 Samuel 5:6 Anonymous 07/15/2021 (Thu) 22:22:39 No.1181 [Reply]
>6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem unto the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land: which spake unto David, saying, Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither: thinking, David cannot come in hither. 7 Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David. 8 And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house. 9 So David dwelt in the fort, and called it the city of David. And David built round about from Millo and inward. What did the Jebusites mean by the "blind and the lame"? The interpretation in modern translations doesn't seem to be scriptural ("even the blind and the lame can drive you off"). The other alternative understandings: they are referring to their idols (but why would they be insulting their false gods?), or they are saying David's soldiers are blind and lame in the face of their fortifications. Did they refer to weapons? The verse immediately after mentions David has to attack through an aqueduct. Why does David hate these lame and blind with his soul?
>>1181 The possible meanings of this have been exposited, but largely consolidate around one of two views. The first view says that the Jebusites were aware of the sayings of the children of Israel, which could already have been said at that time, which is that the false gods of the heathen are blind, lame and dumb. Therefore, the Jebusites, thinking that David would be unable to mount a successful attack against their well-defended position, took the opportunity to credit the defense of their city to the very idols which the Israelites had called blind and dumb, thus in effect trying to use the Israelites own saying against them. This view and the idea that one reason why David was allowed to win this battle was to defeat the boasts of the heathen as to their idols, it is in some ways reminiscent of what the sacred account later says in 1 Kings 20:28- >And there came a man of God, and spake unto the king of Israel, and said, Thus saith the LORD, Because the Syrians have said, The LORD is God of the hills, but he is not God of the valleys, therefore will I deliver all this great multitude into thine hand, and ye shall know that I am the LORD. The other view is as you described, which is simply that the Jebusites were mocking David's army by saying that the blind and lame within and without the city would be sufficient to guard it. This view however does not have the strength of explaining the extra bit of information we learn, that the reason we know why the heathens turned to their saying was because they already thought David could not win the battle. Obviously, if they thought victory was a foregone conclusion, and they felt no danger of defeat, then they would want to give credit in advance to their idols while at the same time attempting to dissipate the notion that they were lame and blind. However, this backfired greatly as we can imagine after they lost the battle.
>>1191 Yes, it also read like possibly the Jebusites were being sarcastic and mocking the Israelites' insults. However it doesn't feel very certain to read implied senses into scripture as it seems too open to subjective influence to be reliable
>>1181 >>1191 After reviewing the passage and the modern interpretation, which is actually sourced from the Greek Septuagint, it sounds like an expression that means "to the last man". In addition, "hated of" David's soul means they were "full of hate of," not that David hates of them; or put another way, the Hebrew here is a word that also means "enemies of", thus: >6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem unto the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land: which spake unto David, saying, Except thou take away the blind and the lame (to the last man), thou shalt not come in hither: thinking, David cannot come in hither. >7 Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David. >8 And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind (to the last man), that are hated (enemies) of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, (even) The blind and the lame (of the Jebusites) shall not come into the house. As a rebuff of their insolent pride before David.
>>1221 In addition to it semantically making sense, there are also these following points: 1. There is a Levitical law mentioning the lame and the blind, but it is referring to sacrificial animals, not people. 2. There are lame and blind present in and/or around Jerusalem and the temple that Jesus cures, so it wasn't a blanket condemnation; the afflicted naturally seek out a cure from the temple and the temple authorities are wont to oblige them as it secures their repute before society. 3. The blind and the lame mentioned elsewhere in the Bible to elicit pity, not emnity, as it does by natural impulse. 4. The Jebusites thereafter the conquest became peasants under the Israelites; this would be an explanation as to why the temple authorities would not extend the same mercy towards their disabled as they did others, due to their historic disdain towards David.
>>1221 >>1222 What I find strange is despite all the """scholarship""" expositing on it, none seemed to read out this intuitive understanding.

Christianity Proofs thread Anonymous 03/09/2021 (Tue) 22:32:22 No.465 [Reply] [Last]
this thread is for various proofs of the truth of christianity and evidence which supports the bible since i lost my old folder which contained alot of stuff this could include stuff like miracles, philosiphical proofs or historic evidence
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>>1119 One exceptionally provocative objective evidence for a mind behind the creation of life is the genetic code. This isn't just some haphazard arrangement but is rather a highly-specific and near-perfectly optimized code. -A. It can't be a 'frozen accident' as Francis Crick would call it -- it's near-perfect. There's simply no evolutionary pathway to explain it's appearance. -B. It's a highly-specific code. Given the 20 amino acids, and permutations of the codons possible, it would take ~10^54 random searches per second if you both grant a naturalistic means for testing assembly (how does that work, btw?), and allow the entire age of the universe to explain the appearance of the genetic code. There simply isn't enough time. -C. This isn't just a single code, but rather is at least six different coding systems all wrapped up in the same substrate. Again, near-perfect optimization & a highly-specific code. -D. Every normal encounter in life tells us that codes come from minds. They simply don't occur in a happenstance way -- codes come from minds. While there's probably been other insights gained more recently, these four fundamentals have been clearly known for more than a decade. They are certainly highly predictive characteristics of an intentionally-designed coding system, rather than some chance assemblage. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics + dirt simply do not display these characteristics, regardless of timeframe.
>>1133 >The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics + dirt simply do not display these characteristics, regardless of timeframe. It's called "evolution".
>>1203 >dirt comes to life by itself where's the life on mars my boy, your "evolution" should have evolved to survive it.
>>1209 >where's the life on mars Bad example given that there is proof that the planet has strong indications of nuclear activity at some point in its past, which so far hasn't been proven to happen naturally.
>>1210 Right the nuclear wars on Mars, gotcha.

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